Everyone should take a chapter from the DC Universe, men and women superheroes are practically equal. Sure you still see chivalry and male superheroes thinking they're better, but when you get right down to it everyone, make and female, hero or villain, gets their ass whooped equally as hard.
@Lucsus Cypher, X Men is pretty good about it too, at least in the comics.
Forget women equality, men equality, black equality, and white equality. Let's focus on HUMAN equality and stop trying to categorize it.
@drawAline2UandMe, Thank you. It's all about respect. I don't have to agree with your point of view but I RESPECT it. The world would be a much better place if we lived respecting others.
Because being a feminist is bad. According to general opinion most women are hypocrites by asking for equal treatment and human decency at the same time. I dont need you to hold the door for me, while I would rather not have it shut in my face when you were just about to enter. I'd do the same for anyone regardless. If you invite me to eat and I tell you I'm broke its human decency to pay for my food. If I was in a position to pay I would, or if I invite you I would pay for you. Its not about treating woman nicer, or better, it's about not using "don't be a female" as an insult, and denying me a position at an engineering firm because there was a man that could "do it better" despite being slightly less qualified than I. Its about not getting offered a secretary position instead. I applied to build systems, not take phone calls and it's a degrading proposition.
@niffler, I hit enter before I made my point :( Anyway, it's NOT about equality because true generally, physically we are not equal, it's about Fairness and justice. Women are strong willed, intelligent, while men might be better at creative thinking, women are better at organization and planning. Im saying generalizations here but my point here is that we work together not to oppress each other but to work off each others strength. *end rant*
@niffler, so who are you to say that the man was less qualified than you? Why are you going out to eat without apperantly informing the other person you can't pay? I was raised to hold doors for women and pay when we go out on dates, that makes me a bad person now? You aren't talking about actually "working together" you're just pissed that you didn't get some engineering job and that appearantly you went out to eat with no money and expected someone to pay for you. This isn't a male vs female issue here, you're just honestly kind of a whiny person.
@niffler, I was with you right up until you made it seem like men are inferior to women... I mean you didn't outright say that but it sure looks like it the way you described it.
@Uncle Nipple, & @jklyt1 I should probably clarify. The position that I was describing was a promotion from an internship position that he and I were both participating in. I knew him, I knew his resume, his experience and his standing in school (we're actually friends since we did the internship) I actually had a lot more hands on training and experience prior to him, as well as several other certificates in electrical design and programming, and I'm not bragging it was just simply that I started a little earlier. We were both excellent interns but he had gotten the job and I believe that my gender and the bias of our boss was what let him win. We're still friends and we still talked, and he even admitted that he thought that I was more likley to get the position. Sorry for that lack of information.
@jklyt1, I make it perfectly clear when I cant afford to go out, sorry if that was vague in my comment. What i meant with that is if you invite me, and i tell you i'm broke and then you tell me no its ok i'm inviting you, pay for it but then complain about how you had to pay for me because i'm a girl, its just wrong and has nothing to do with my gender
@niffler, yeah I wish you'd clarified that. I agree with you on the fact that men and women are different and the world should recognize that. Gender equality, but not congruency. But I find that men are better with problem-solving and logical/critical thinking, while women are better with emotion, understanding, creativity, and organization. I didn't like the way you described that.
@niffler, let me go ahead and fix this because rereading it I realize that it isnt clear with my intention: What I meant to say is that while women are not as physically strong as men, they are strong willed. We are just as intelligent as men in the logics and thinking sense, but because of our nature men are better at some things and women are better at others. I used the creativity vs organization comparison because I remember reading an article discussing the different thinking processes of men and women. I'm sorry if that was unclear.
@Uncle Nipple, Yeah rereading it I realize it could be interpreted in a wrong way. Its just when you have so many complex ideas to express in a way that people can quickly understand without getting bored they get kinda jumbled up. I tried to fix it though I'm not sure how effective thatll be considering it was downvoted so bad. I guess i gotta revise before i send more often
@niffler, I was so with you on that first paragraph until the add on... I don't think one gender is better at certain thinking or internal things... Your points didn't make much sense
@niffler, Welp, half of it is the interview. You do have to sell yourself at the interview. When the qualifications are close like you described they may pick the person who may be easiest to get along with or demonstrates to be a respectful team player. Best of luck.
@niffler, I can tell you have the same problem as I do. While I can tell that you have great ideas, you have trouble explaining them in a way that clearly states your intent. While you know exactly what you're talking about, other people get offended by misinterpretations because of the ambiguity of the word choice. Trust me, I've gotten in a lot of heated arguments because if this because people dial in on the misspoken phrase and won't let you correct yourself.
@niffler, all that bothers me is that people who are crazy enough to try and campaign that mothers should only breastfeed female babys call themselves feminists.
Do people realize that feminists just want to be treated the same as men? They don't want to take over the world, they just don't want to get cat-called when they walk down the street or get treated like a piece of meat. My gf is feminist, but she doesn't make me feel like I should be beneath her.
@Pool boy till I die, the problem is that too many misandrists claim to be feminists and end up making a bad name for both. I'm all for equal rights, but don't ask for them then make me hold your door for you unless you are willing to do the same.
@Pool boy till I die, I agree with Maximilian. Feminists only want equality when it suits them
@IFREAKI, some feminists. Like maximilian said, misandrists false identify themselves as feminists and give them a bad name. The real feminists are actually egalitarians, people who want truly equal rights for both genders.
@Pool boy till I die, ehhh I have to disagree you may have a special case with your gf (lucky you seriously) but most of them want more than men, with less work.. Which for some reason they think is fair, and that men should have to work more to provide them benefits.
@Stirling Archer, you mean like birth control? God forbid they do what they do what they want with their bodies, right?
@DinkIeberg, umm no I wasn't talking about birth control? Haha believe me I am a huge advocate of that.. AND it is free now so yes every girl that is sexually active should be on birth control. There is no excuse not to be.
@Stirling Archer, its not free.
@Stirling Archer, my girlfriend is currently looking to get some, believe me, it is NOT free unless insurance covers it
@DinkIeberg, that's not true. My gf just got on it very recently as well. It is now free. Or at least it is in my state I just assumed it was in every state.
@Stirling Archer, it may be in your state, but referring to your original comment, where is your evidence that feminists want to be more than equal? Examples?
@Pool boy till I die, the problem is that many feminists aren't like your gf. They DO want men beneath them.
@DinkIeberg, How about the fact that they hate groups like the MRA, which advocates for men's rights.
@Pool boy till I die, Really? I've seen plenty of feminist advocate for women's rights, but not a single one fight for men's rights. I've never seen them protest the fact that they're excluded from the draft. I've never seen them protea the fact that men are more likely to be the victims of violence. I've never seen them protest the fact that the judicial system favors women. They want to teach men how not to rape, but what about female rapists? Feminists want to be treated like they are special just because of that slit between their legs. They are eager to point out the privileges that men have but have no problem with the privileges that they have. Every feminist I've met has thought of me as a spawn of the devil just because I advocate for men's rights, for true equality.
@King Maximilian, the biggest one that annoys me is the draft. I have never in my entire life heard a woman fight for the "right" to be thrown into a war they want no part of like how all men can be at any time.
@King Maximilian, as a woman I can tell you that I have absolutely no problem holding doors for men. I also don't mind being whistled at or called "love" or "darling". As long as I'm not treated like my opinion doesn't matter, just because I'm a woman, I'm happy.
@Pool boy till I die, it's not the equality that we hate on, it's the fact that we try to treat them equally, and get mad at us for it. I think I may be saying the same thing as what king said, but don't think we think they're trying to rule the world
@DinkIeberg, Actually he didn't say anything about birth control. Like, at all.
@poist mussies, but those 'feminists' that want men beneath them aren't actually feminists because that's not what feminism stands for. feminism was only named feminism because at the time it was mostly woman joining forces to get equal pay and be allowed to vote and stuff. I think feminism is for everyone now not just females. so those people you were talking about that wanted men below them are not feminists they are more like femenazis.
@CriTiKa1, I understand what you're saying completely. There are plenty of men and woman rapists. There are many flaws in what some people say is the feminist stance. But I always have considered feminism for everyone, I know that doesn't make much sense but when I say I'm a feminist I mean that I basically want all people to be looked at fairly and equally in the governments eyes and societies eyes. I don't know much about what needs to change for that to happen for men but I know we have a long way to go for women. I'm a small female, and I walk home from my bus stop everyday with keys in between my knuckles just from fear of being attacked. I don't want ANYONE to have to do that not just only women, I don't know if that strips me if my 'feminist' title but I hope it doesn't because the feminism stance that I have come to know, is fairness and safety for everyone.
@NightCrest, in Israel both men and women are conscripted. Women for 18 months and men for 30.
@CriTiKa1, That's the thing though. YOU haven't seen these women, but you also don't know every single feminist in the world. I don't think the draft is fair, or divorce court, or that men have to pay more for life insurance. But I also am horrified by the sexual assaults of young girls by family members in Africa, or that women are still be burned alive for witchcraft in New Guinea. I want equality. Not for one side to be higher than the other. Men and women are biologically different, but we're partners on this planet and we need to work together to achieve great things. If there was true equality on Earth (gender, religion, ethnicity, sexuality, etc), I think we could solve a lot of the world's problems.
@CriTiKa1, but statistically speaking men are more likely to cause the violence. and statistically there are drastically more men rapists than women. I'm not saying that there arnt rotten women in this world either. As for the draft, it hasnt been used since the vietnam war I believe and women have fought for the right to be on the front lines. Aside from that, its more of what I was trying to say earlier. In the world wars, when the men were drafted out, it was the women that took over the factories. If everyone is drafted out, all there is left are children. this is an extreme case but you know what i mean. And I understand wanting mens right, because it is the same drive that women want for womens rights. The difference is you unfortunately started off with more than we do, so we have more to gain.
@niffler, yep, the draft hasn't been used in a long time, but the name changed to selective service and all males must register at the age of 18. I am all for women's rights, an a member of support groups against women's violence and made pledges to teach my sons to treat women fairly. That being said, they are abused by girls more then boys, and I have been called names for acting polite, as I was raised. While I agree that women shouldn't be treated differently, I also think that repaying kindness with snide remarks about equality defeats the intent of the movement. In the end it is about treating others how you want to be treated, and if I am met with hostility then I will respond the same. And btw, I am a man and always find myself watching my back and planning escape routes when I am out at night, as it is no safer for men than it is for women, just a different kind of crime, and that is not a gender issue, it is a societal one.
@dickinatoaster, Exactly, yôu have no idea about the problems of men, yet pretend to be for equality. Your a hypocrite who only fights for women. When I walk ANYWHERE I take some sort of weapon with me, because EVERYONE is afraid of criminals, not just women. Feminism is for women, that's what it will always be. You don't fight for equal treatment, you want the benefits that men have, but none of their problems. You think you're problems are somehow more important than men's and they're not.
@neonpurpleraven , Alright, then go fight for feminism in those countries and stop pretending like women are so oppressed in the western world.
@niffler, You see your last statement there? That's the problem with feminists. You think that the hardships that women suffer are SO much worst than those that men suffer. You think that women's problems are worst than men's problems and they're not. Both genders are being treated unequally in some way and both should be looked at equally. So just because more men are the cause of violence, we should consider all men to be criminals and treat all men the way we should treat criminals, that's what feminists are saying when they say that "men need to be taught how to not rape". The draft takes as many people as it needs, it doesn't take all 300 million citizens all at once. Doesn't matter how often it's used. Vietnam was a war against a country much smaller and much less advanced than us and yet we still needed a draft. Wars can pop up any day, just because it hasn't happened in only fifty years doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow.
@niffler, Feminism brainwashes people into thinking that women are more important than men. How does it do that? By focusing on women's problems and men's privileges and refusing to acknowledge men' problems and their own privileges. Your last statement makes you sexist against men. I hope you rethink your stance on equality.
@CriTiKa1, fighting for men's rights is tantamount to having a proclaimed "white history month". Although without one it's not truly equal, the events of the past make it in some cases not necessary and in others completely inappropriate. Now I'm not saying that there aren't prejudices against men because I definitely believe that there are. I just want to give a possible viewpoint of some feminists. Also, I identify as a feminist and (albeit not knowing anything about it) would totally support a men's rights group. Lastly, this may sound whiney, but it's impossible to completely represent an entire group of people in a single statement. Like I said, I'm a femenist, but sometimes I think men have it even rougher than women in certain settings. Just don't let your own prejudices cloud your view of an entire group of people.
@CriTiKa1, god d@mn you're a pissy little dick today. does someone need a hug?
@shakeweight, What's wrong with wing proud of being white? Have white people not accomplished many wonderful things? You know, colored people have committed their fair share of genocide. Btw, I'm not white, I just see nothing wrong with being proud of being white. I state what I see, and I've seen feminists fight for women and ignore men. Sorry if I have to speak out against ignorance. Nah, I'm not sorry, see ya asshole.
@King Maximilian, so the correct name is "misandrists?" I've been calling them "feminazis" for lack of a better term. ;)
@CriTiKa1, youre an extremist that put words in my mouth. And im pretty sure that it was up until the middle of the 1900s (i dont remember what year) that women couldnt even vote. in other countries women are slaughtered for having an opinion, specifically for being women and you dont think women are oppressed?
@Tromboner, I called them that until one of my friends who is a legitimate feminist told me the true term.
@CriTiKa1, I agree that male victims of rape are often overlooked and are not taken seriously. That is a problem that upsets me, and I think it should be brought to awareness. However. Men have always been socially superior, and to this day old stereotypes of intelligent, strong, working men, along with quiet, weak, dependent women in the kitchen remain ingrained in our heads. In many books and TV shows, the male character is relatable. Many advertisements for unisex products cater unnecessarily to a straight male audience, because being a heterosexual male is the societal norm. Doing anything "like a girl" is degrading. Even the overlooking of male victims of assault by women is due to the idea of women being too weak to hurt anyone. In the end, women still have the short end of the straw. Now, radical feminists are a big part of the problem too by ignoring men's problems. Really, everyone needs to recognize their own flaws if we want equality. No group is superior.
Since were on the topic, I'm gonna bring up an argument about sexism that I've had. The situation is a women is walking down the street, and a man whistles at her, and says "get supermodel", to avoid ridicule I'm not gonna say which side I was on, but the two sides were it's sexist because you wouldn't say that to a man, or it's not sexist because he's just expressing attraction to her, opinions?
@hungarian emperor, sorry, he says "hey supermodel" not "get supermodel"
@hungarian emperor, well I think that it's about that he's showing his affection to her in a public way, which can be humiliating, and he's making everyone around her stop and just see her body, instead of a respected member of society you know?
@dickinatoaster, how about if they want to be respected, they stop being so sensitive?
@Tim Howard, Oh because people with feelings? Yeah, I agree fvck them.
And hot, she should definitely be hot...
@The Wabbajack, bigger boobs, she should definitely have bigger boobs
@The Wabbajack, she also should be cooking. Naked.
Wait... Since when do feminist read wondereoman? Isnt it about a scantily clad woman whose boobs are so big that every fight scene is a fight to keep them covered? Isnt that all there is to WW?
@JamesBondFreak, yes, that's all there is to world war (WW)
@MoistVerginia, you seem confused. WW = Wonder Woman, WW1 = World War 1, WW2 = World War 2.
@JamesBondFreak, WW would be any world war, be it the first, second, third, etc. Also, what is this "wondereoman" that you speak of?
@JamesBondFreak, i was saying world war in general is just a fight seen trying to keep your boobs covered. (Joke did not land)
Ok but the problem is that the word feminist has a bad stigma with it because a few women who claim to want equality for women and men actually want more for women and hate men. In all actuality I am a feminist. But I prefer the term equalist due to the fact that there isn't that stigma with it.
This was almost exactly what was said in a lacigreen video
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