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@Dr Genitals, no gmfd politics on my mf funnypics. fvck.
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@Breathable Crotch, FVCK!
@Dr Genitals, I read that like a moo from a cow with m on the end. Love from England
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@Dr Genitals, big lol on that one
While it's my personal opinion that the ideal form of marriage is one man and one woman I also believe that, as a libertarian, the government shouldn't be telling us who we can and can't marry
@Sexy Homunculus, best way I've heard it said, and people from neither side should be attacked for what they believe.
@Sexy Homunculus, thank you. Both of you
@Sexy Homunculus, I agree, my goldfish has been flirting with me for three years now and it's time to get serious
@stevebons, you might have a different problem.
@NormMcDonaldHadAFarm, I'm sorry but I absolutely disagree. Thinking that one form of marriage is better than the other is seriously problematic. It shows that you do have an issue with homosexuality. Until society completely accepts homosexuality, gays and the like will not all have the strength to be themselves publicly. This can lead to self hatred which can lead to suicide. Please dig very deep. Challenge the reasoning you have for believing gay marriage is less than straight marriage.
@Usmovers, I see what you're saying but I would never put anyone down for who they are. I support gay marriage as means for everyone to get along better so no one is discriminated against, even if deep down I'm unsure if I agree with the concept (I won't mention my religious beliefs cause I don't want to risk making you uncomfortable in the debate if we don't believe in the same thing). But I'm up for equality. Sorry for the long reply.
@NormMcDonaldHadAFarm, well I appreciate the thought you put into it. Please continue to challenge your belief. Even I have prejudices I had to teach myself to deal with.
@Sexy Homunculus, Call me "homophobic" or whatever, but personally I don't believe being gay is normal at all. I believe that you are born with a penis or vagina for a reason, and that homosexuality derives from how the individual is brought up, combined with experiences that have mental/emotional impacts on said individual. I will never be convinced otherwise, as the very concept of homosexuality just makes absolutely no sense to me.
However, while I do believe homosexuality is wrong, at the same time I don't give a single fvck how homosexuals live their lives, whether or not they get married, or whatever. None of that affects me in any way whatsoever. As long as they don't try to hit on me or change my views, I have absolutely no problem with them and treat them like any other human being. Hell, I had a roommate freshman year that was gay and we got along fine. He didn't know what I believe about homosexuality, but that's because he never asked, and I treated him like anyone else.
@Usmovers, thanks bud, and good luck.
@MrJojo, Point is, I don't believe it is right to try to change other people's views/beliefs or how they live their lives when it doesn't affect you at all, and frankly it is just none of your business. Let people live their lives the way they want, and don't treat them any different because of it. Do you have to agree with the way they live? No. I for one have an opinion on homosexuals that is very unpopular in today's society. I don't believe being gay is right, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince anybody to agree with me, nor am I going to go against those that don't. I believe everybody's opinions on the matter should be respected and tolerated. None of it affects you personally, so why should you care about any of it. If we all just live our lives the way we want, we all walk away happy.
@MrJojo, I don't care if someone is gay or not. Its not right or wrong in my opinion because I don't really care. Im not gay and prefer women. But homosexual relations exist in nature so when some say its unnatural that is a completely false statement. My opinion is always falls back on this... I don't like people telling me how to live my life and what I can and cannot do in my own home as long as I am not hurting someone else. What right do I have to tell someone else how to live.
What someone believes is their opinion and it's not a problem until they try to force that opinion on others. Like so many anti-gay marriage are doing.
@Seohn, Hey mutations occur in nature, humans are also part of nature, and just because something like homosexuality is RARELY seen in other animals does not make it natural. The sole purpose of a species is to reproduce, when you drop to the nitty gritty of life on this planet. Thus, it is not "natural" even if it occurs in nature. That said, still think equal rights under the law belong to all. But I don't think it makes sense to call rare differences that are likely genetic mutations normal. Normal is the majority, and being not-straight is not that.
@MrJojo, not to change your opinion or anything, but we do have empirical (scientific/study) evidence that gay, bi, trans, etc. is not a choice. It's like saying you can choose to be attracted to somebody, when in reality you are or aren't, regardless of anything else. We also know that it isn't an "on/off" thing, just more or less a list of preferences with different priorities (relative to each other). They are no more or less human, and it's good that you don't treat them any different but harboring animosity isn't good either because eventually it will come out. You don't have to be friends with a gay person, or even become one just because you accept that people can be and and that there isn't anything inherently wrong with it, it's just tolerance.
@The Megaton Bomb, ... Not trying to change your opinion, especially not force it, but tolerance goes further than just pretending to be nice.
@MrJojo, while I appreciate your live and let live approach very much your opinion on homosexuality is scientifically incorrect and has the ability to cause self hatred. Homosexuality hurts no one and as such there is no moral downside.
@The Megaton Bomb, @Usmovers, there is just as much "scientific evidence" proving that being gay is a choice as there is evidence proving it isn't, but it seems most people choose to ignore the former. I choose to ignore ALL this so called "scientific" evidence as there are just way too many variables and contradictions involved. Instead, I draw conclusions based on what I know, and that is people are born with one of two forms of genetalia, and you cannot procreate unless you have both, so that must be the natural way.
This is MY opinion.
I appreciate you guys's input. I understand that your replies are intended to try to "open my eyes" so to speak, because you have differing opinions than I. I respect your opinions and I will not try to change them, and I ask that you respect mine in return. I can tolerate people being gay, I would befriend them like anyone else if the opportunity was given, but my views on homosexuality is something that will never change.
@MrJojo, right! Why should we care about the fact that you think homosexuality isn't normal? It only hurts homosexuals self image. Why should we care if someone else is hurt? For that matter, why should we care if someone else dies? Why should we care if someone is driven to suicide? They're not us. I see your point. You sociopath. I do not respect opinions that are objectively unpragmatic. I can prove your opinion is baseless, by the very evidence that you have no evidence to support your sociopathic point of view. This isn't bigotry, it's empathy and pragmatism. I've heard your belief, and it is objectively stupid. Demonstrably asinine. You admit you won't listen to reason, which is what religion encourages through faith, so why should I respect such a display of a child sticking their fingers in their ears and going "lalalalalala", perhaps you don't mind being a bigot, but I mind it because I'm a decent human being.
@Usmovers, I'm on your side. Fvck these political correctness hippies that are like "we should all, like, just respect, like, everyone's opinion man. You can't know anything, so everyone's point of view is equally valid and sound. We should tolerate toxic unscientific beliefs".
No, we shouldn't respect hurtful beliefs! Why should I respect homophobia or racism or antisemitism? Why? Because they're opinions?....how stupid is the human species that we respect all ideas, pragmatic or not, moral or not, equally but not all humans, straight or gay or bi, black or brown or white, atheist or theist, equally?
Lets tolerate sharia law, lets tolerate the rejection of a person for something that doesn't hurt anyone, let's just tolerate everything, because that's some great moral lessons! Tolerate the harm done to other human beings, and tolerate the ideas that lead to such harm. Because all ideas are equal right? *facepalm* for fvcks sake, monkeys.
@TheTankWhisperer, perhaps I have been slightly misinterpreted. I believe that EVERYBODY should be following the principles I outlined above, including the homosexuals. I believe that everyone should be able to live their lives how they want, as long as it doesn't negatively affect others, and pay no mind to the opinions and beliefs of others as it shouldn't have any effect on them. The point I was trying to make is that if you are different, that is fine, and nobody should be outright against you, but at the same time you should not expect everybody to be on your side. There are countless different lifestyles and beliefs that many people find weird and abnormal, and it is fine to feel that way about them, so why should homosexuality be treated any different?
Also, perhaps "respect" is not the word I should of used regarding my views. What I should of said was "tolerate". I believe that my views on homosexuality should be tolerated as it doesn't change anything significant.
@MrJojo, Anyways, this is as far as I'm going to go with this, as I feel that it is getting a bit out of hand, much more than I intended. If you are still persistent on the idea that my personal beliefs should change then I am sorry you feel that way, but going any deeper into this is just not worth my time anymore.
@MrJojo, I'd appreciate if you'd humor me with just one more response. You have the ability to prove to me that homosexuality is a choice. Go start a true, honest to god relationship with a member of the same sex. Have sex with them and feel the same passion you would with a member of the opposite sex. Fall deeply in love with them.
@MrJojo, while I haven't seen any reliable evidence with analysis point to that it is a choice, that is a different argument: my point was that hiding what you think isn't tolerating, it's just hiding it. If you dislike someone, or think less of them, for their sexuality, show it or not, you aren't tolerating them. You can like or dislike the person for how their actions affect others, but if you are silently judging them for something that you said yourself, "doesn't directly hurt anyone", then you aren't tolerating a person.
(Also while it would agree, acting on sexuality, attraction, etc. is too complex to pin down on a "per-case" basis, we know enough to know that if a man acts on men preferentially to women, it's the same thing as a man acting on light haired women preferentially to dark haired women. Preferences exist and someone can act on then or against them as their choice, but what would a happily married man be called for acting against his wife?)
This is what I like about this community. Everyone, whilst having a debate/discussion about opinions and what can be quite a sensitive issue, is respecting others' opinions and arguing their point of view calmly and respectably. You look and compare this approach to other sites and apps and you realise just what an amazing community this is, because despite differences of opinion, this community treats everyone else with so much respect, rather than just saying "LOL BITCH GO DIE" or words to that effect. To me, it doesn't matter what your opinions are on gay rights, or in fact most matters, as long as a) you don't try and shove your opinions down others' throats, b) you aren't abusive in which the manner you bring your opinions across, and c) you don't think less of others because they have a different opinion to you. So thank you, Funny Pics community for being so calm and collected and respectful of people around you rather than being dicks. I think I'm going to like it here.
@Jaden Smith, deep words by jaden smith.
@MrJojo, here's the problem with your line of thought and people who think like you. You assume that marriage is needed for procreation when it is not. Straight people have kids and are not married all the time. and with that statement alone your argument is invalid.
Oh yeah also. Why do anti-gay marriage people care so much about gays being married? They're not forcing them to them turn gay and Marry. And the procreation excuse is kind of sad really because there are straight couples that cant have kids so why are they allowed to marry? On top of which why our couples who don't even want kids allowed to marry? Marriage is only about procreation if you're basing your idea of marriage from religion. It's not needed for procreation. Marriage is only needed for legal reasons. It's not even needed to raise a family. Because divorce happens all the time to families. And there are couples that raise their children just fine and never get married.
And I'll take it one step further. Since marriage is not needed for procreation. Nor is it actually needed for raising children since half of marriage end in divorce anyway. All that is left is that marriage is for legal or religious purposes. And since the Constitution in this country states freedom of religion. Which means it now trumps the religious viewpoint of marriage and focuses it purely on legal reasons. That would mean that there's no legal reason why gay marriage should not be allowed.
Meaning you either are against gay marriage because your intolerant or because you're religious at this point. Because otherwise why would you care if it happens in nature not let it be it doesn't affect you.
And now for the jokes.
Unless of course some people secretly have homosexual tendencies and are afraid that gay marriage will bring those out. Or perhaps some people are one of those men whose wife or girlfriend went lesbian on them.
Gay marriage can affect guys in one positive way though. If you're a man that means there's more women available. If marriage is all about procreation for you look at it this way. When lesbians want to have children they're going to need a man to help them. Can anyone say threesome.
@MrJojo, you know what else isn't natural? Everything you use in your daily life and especially the cellphone you use to speak your viewpoint. So therefore since humans create many many things that aren't normal and natural I'm nature. To the point that anything that human does that's unnatural is commonplace. It is suddenly now under that definition normal so therefore no longer unnatural your argument invalid.
My older cousin is gay. When I was younger I always thought gay was scary and bad. He came out to me a long time ago and for the longest time I was the only one that new (he was afraid to tell anyone in his immediate family). Now that he finally had someone who knows he would always tell me about dates and excitedly introduce me to his boyfriends. It didnt take long for me to realize I was the weird one for thinking it was fair of me to deny someone this much happiness because of my OWN beliefs. Now, the answer is so clear. Let people be happy, let them be together. Let them get married. Change the definition of ur against using marriage, call it something else idc, just let them be happy.
@ShrookerOoker, how were you denying him happiness? Were you actively trying to change him?
@ShrookerOoker, Yeah, I don't get the part of how you were denying him anything.
@MrJojo, @CriTiKa1 I guess just by being judgmental towards his lifestyle. If I "stuck to my guns" per say he would've once again had no one to open up to and share his feelings with. But instead I just took it all cause he was my cousin and I loved him. Seeing how happy he was to finally share with someone, if I refused to be that someone I feel he would've been absolutely devastated
Seriously though, just let people be happy with each other, let 2 men or 2 women honestly doesn't hurt anyone.
@Brickmasta8, completely agree
@Brickmasta8, I agree but like he is saying marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN not a man/man or woman/woman, I believe they should have something similar to marriage but they should not be considered "married" or churches forced to marry them...I don't care if I'm doe voted for this down votes won't change my stance
@No Sjit, BIIIIIIGGGGOOOOOOTTT
@No Sjit, marriage is more than just a religous declaration, it extends well within the bounds of social and governmental aspects of modern life. A declaration of people being married shouldn't be bound to gender because to not allow a "partnership" to be called a marriage is to put gay relationships into a different category than straight ones. Fundamentally, gay marriage needs to be both allowed and called marriage to assure true equality. (The definitions of words change all the time btw, marriage doesn't have to just be between diffrent sex members anymore ;))
@No Sjit, separate but equal is inherently unequal.
@Brickmasta8, I'm fine with gays dating, I just don't think they should marry because matrimony is between a man and woman
@I SNEEZ WOMBATS, and marriage is between people of the same color.
And farming is between a man and his slaves.
And women are for reproduction, cooking, and cleaning.
It all may sound ridiculous and exaggerated, but the point I'm making is that all of these things were once believed as. Vehemently as your statement. Times change, my friend.
@I SNEEZ WOMBATS, of course I'll get down voted cause some people are like the person in the picture
@Ford9863, all I know is that my religion says its between a man and a woman. And the Catholic Church decides what to do about that, not congress
@I SNEEZ WOMBATS, and the Catholic Church is more than welcome to their beliefs, and to turn away any one for any reason they see fit. But just as the government can't force the practice on them, they (and their followers) cannot force the government stop it from happening outside the church.
@Ford9863, So as a person with several lgbq+ friends, I personally think that gay marriage is fine, but by the standards of the group that made it, being some old @ssholes a long time ago, it is supposed to be between a man and a woman. To expect the church to change anything about themselves is like expecting to win the lottery. Technically it's their term, and while lgbq+ people should definitely be allowed, I think there should be another name for it as to not mess with what is technically a religious term. That's just my two cents.
@Radically Irrational, I personally don't see a need to change the term. Yes, it started as a religious act, but it is much more than that now. If you make a new term, it will need to apply to anyone who was married in a non-religious setting, whether they are straight or not---and I don't think that would go over very well. As for the church, there are already people that they do not recognize the marriages of. So for gay marriage, the church simply wouldn't recognize the couple as married. And, call me crazy, but I don't think that said couple would really give a shjt if the church (that considers everything about them sinful) doesn't recognize their marriage.
@Ford9863, That's kinda the point I was trying to make, although I do know some lgbq+ people are religious and would appreciate the approval, but the church hardly ever changes, so not much can be done about that.
@Radically Irrational, agreed. Fact is, no matter what, there will be a group that is offended. Just the way of the world. Btw, this has been an incredibly calm and collected conversation. About a very controversial issue. On the Internet. Let's take a moment to let that sink in. Good day to you, sir (or madam, whatever the case may be).
@Cabbage Salesman, problem is they are a different category throughout time we have always categorized stuff different being gay is not a traditional partnership therefore it should not be considered marriage I respect LGBT people but they know they are different and some go out of their way to prove it vegans do the exact same thing in some cases and we get sick of that, they aren't less of a human but don't try to show the world your gay, and don't mess with people's beliefs to prove your "not different"
@I SNEEZ WOMBATS, marriage has extended far beyond the grasp of the Catholic Church and has become a societal construct based around the lifelong union of two people in love. If the Catholic Church doesn't want to facilitate a gay wedding because they still believe homosexual relationships aren't the same then that's fine however in the rest of society they should have right to be considered the same and marriage has become a part of society as a whole and the definition will inadvertently change over time
@Radically Irrational, just gonna throw this in here like every time this gets brought up: marriage predates any lasting modern religion or any religion that we know of. It did not start as a religious thing, it started as a way to maintain order and structure in nomadic groups before monotheistic religions. Marriage wasn't religious until claimed by religions. An example of this is that practically every religion has marriage, which should show that marriage isn't a part of any singular religion. This being said, I do not intend to bash anyone that states they do not support same-sex marriage because of their religion, I merely hope to inform them that it's a incorrect assumption to say that marriage is based in religion. Have a nice day.
@No Sjit, not really, dividing and categorizing people will almost inevitably lead to negative consequences
@No Sjit, why do you care what the term is? Do you think the word marriage will mean less if it applies to more people?
@No Sjit, Marriage was around long before religion. Marriage being religious the way we know it is actually still relatively new. Also, religion was slowly intertwined into marriage and marriage ceremonies. A few adjustments here, a few there, until it became a "religious ceremony" as people claim today. It used to be a tool to keep power, resources, bloodlines, etc. within certain classes/families/areas. Marrying for love is also a relatively new phenomenon too, for all the same reasons.
@No Sjit, so, they can be Butt Buddies?
@Cabbage Salesman, as I said, we have done it throughout time and it will not change, just the grouping of it
The whole argument against or for gay marriage bugs the crap out of me. For a very simple reason. Unless you are the ones getting married, or the religious official being asked to preside over the wedding, or the family member being asked to pay for the wedding, it doesn't affect you.
People, just mind your own business!
@I Are Lebo, to play devils advocate, what if my business is a Christian wedding cake shop? How then may I mind my business?
@Tyrellious, by not discriminating like a piece of shjt.
@Tyrellious, there are way kore straight couples youl do fine
@Tyrellious, as a Christian wedding cake maker, you'd be free to refuse to make a cake for a homosexual wedding, just as the homosexual couple would be free to go elsewhere for their cake.
But in truth, there is no legitimate reason to refuse to make them a cake. It's a cake. You're not joining them in a threesome. As the cake maker, the job is the same regardless of who the customer is.
This is what I don't understand. If your religious rights and freedoms give you the right to subjugate someone else's freedom, your religion is wrong. Period. Practicing oppression makes you evil.
Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone.
@Tyrellious, as a Transgender person I wholeheartedly support a companies right to be a giant piece of **** and deny me service simply for existing.
@I Are Lebo, I agree. People can have those opinions, but when you set up a business you can't just pick and choose who you serve based on what they can't change. It's the definition of discrimination. If you replace the word 'homosexual' with 'African American', there wouldn't be nearly as much support for this so called 'religious freedom'. But it's different for some reason when it's something else they can't change about them.
@Archmage Araketh, I agree completely. In both cases, refusing to serve someone because of who they are is wrong.
@Archmage Araketh, the company owns the product or service they sell. It's there's. They can do what they want with it. Including not sell it.
@Usmovers, not according to the civil rights act of 1964.
@Tyrellious, as a cake business if your not exclusively selling to christians then it is discrimination. The only argument where what you are saying makes sense is if a pastor is being forced to marry a couple, which won't happen.
@Archmage Araketh, then I morally disagree with that aspect of the civil rights act. A product that you own or service that you provide is yours to do with as you will. If a company shows bigotry I will take my business elsewhere and shout at the top of my lungs about their mistreatment of me.
I'm just going to sit back and let y'all have this one.
@NormMcDonaldHadAFarm, kinda sad that this community claims to be so accepting but there are so many issues about accepting things that the comments are more lulzworthy than the picture
@The Antagonist, they're all just trying to be unique in thinking gay marriage is wrong. Pushing society backwards is what they're doing.
I do not agree with someone being gay as my religion says it's a sin, however my religion also says that sex out side of marriage is a sin as well as serval other things. I don't see a reason to hate or get all I am more holy then you because I don't commit this one sin yet I turn around and do a different one. It's dumb and people that do it are just showing their ignorance. As for marriage that is a government issue not a religious one and as such I think it should be allowed.
@Bellith, being gay is not the sin. Acting on those gay urges is the sin.
@Bellith, just like acting on the urge to have premarital sex. Never hate the person, hate the sin.
@alextr1994, I personally think that it's psychological. I never understand people that hate gay people because they are "living in sin" yet at the same time they themselves lazy or spiteful ect.
@Bellith, correct, never hate. But judging whether an action is right or wrong is fine, and even necessary
@alextr1994, Pray the gay away
@EnderGamer, not at all what I'm saying. Pray that they may live with it in the right way. And always pray for them
@HammerOfHerertics, this complete lack of understanding is what turns me away from religion. The acceptance, without questioning, that something as natural as homosexuality is wrong or sinful, and the expectation that those people who are born that way live their entire lives in silent torment because a book you were introduced to as a child says so, in spite of that same book claiming that we are all as we are meant to be, is so illogical as be nonsensical.
If you do not question, and do not come to your own conclusions, then you do not actually understand the difference between right and wrong. By blindly following the ethics of a book that is millennia old, you blind yourself to the myriad of outdated, ignorant, or simply bigoted attitudes that have been handed down to you by people just as flawed as you.
I'm sorry for the lecture, but I'll end with this. Ask yourself one question. Why is homosexuality sinful? Not why does the bible say it is, simply why is gay bad?
@I Are Lebo, wow. A few months late bro. Not going to entertain this lecture. But one point you're completely wrong about and shows your ignorance of the bible: nowhere does the Bible say we are as we were meant to be. In fact it says the complete opposite. So much so that God himself came down to fix it. Peace brotha
@HammerOfHerertics, I got an upvote or downvote or whatever and I re read the whole thread. And yes, I am the first person to admit my knowledge of the bible is less than perfect. This is because as a Jew and a logical person I wholeheartedly disagree with it. But that's not the issue.
The issue is Christians who think that their religion supersedes law. That they have the right to tell people who are not part of their religion how to live their lives. That they have the right to change the law of the country to force all citizens to follow their religions ethics and morals as opposed to their own. There's no defending that. It's pure arrogance.
@I Are Lebo, with 0 knowledge of it, why use it as a point with which to attack me? Thought it's interesting that as a Jew, your people wrote a significant amount of it. Including some portions which say exactly what I'm saying. Like Genesis. But again, I won't be replying.
@HammerOfHerertics, right. So you aren't going to reply or entertain the argument that your beliefs may be wrong. At least your beliefs towards homosexuality.
Also, I am in no way attacking you. I am saying that blind belief is a bad thing and that minding ones own business is a good thing. Tell me what's wrong about that?
I speak out against homophobia not because of the whole sin not sin thing, not because of the natural/unnatural argument. I speak out against it for a far simpler reason. It's none of your damn business. When Catholics attempt to illegalize adultery, or make it illegal to have premarital sex, then there could be an argument against homosexuality. I don't buy that "one sin at a time" argument either. It's ignorant and intolerant and I will speak out against it whenever I can.
Im just curious what non-bigot reasons there are agains gay marriage
@Ajunta Pall, of course, we dont want humanity to go extinct because everybody catches the gay
@Woodgecko, shall I continue?
@Ajunta Pall, What is this "evolution" you speak of? Sounds like someone has not heard the truth...
@Woodgecko, @Woodgecko, there aren't any. Illogical religious bias and ignorant predictions are all that stand in the way.
Humanity will never go extinct due to gay marriage. I know you meant that as a joke, but seriously, there's over 7 billion people on the planet. Even if 50% of them were gay, humanity would still be fine. Either the gay couples wouldn't reproduce and the homosexuality trait would die off, or they would reproduce and the trait would flourish.
@Ajunta Pall, if gayness had any effect on evolution the gay "gene" would have died off many years ago. Ps. If gays can't marry. That doesn't mean they are going to go have sex with women you fool
@Woodgecko, there are two I know of.
First, if legal precedent is set that a man and a woman are interchangeable, then the many programs to help women (I.e. Female owned businesses) could be overturned.
Second, while it may not seem like it to many people, the purpose of marriage is children. Not love, children. It's why arranged marriages occurred for thousands of years, and still continue to occur in many cultures around the world. Love was seen as temporary and not worthy (fun fact, the idea that love is forever comes from an ad for diamond rings in the 1920s).
@Ajunta Pall, there are gay animals in the wild (well, ones that have gay sex, atleast). Also, how does evolution come into play with this?
@talmet, why would programs that help women be overturned? Where did that come from?
Marriage means whatever we want it to mean and has whatever purpose we give it. If I get married for love, that that was the purpose of my marriage. if you get married so that you can reproduce...that's nice for you. Who cares.
Those are some some shjtty arguments, not gonna lie.
@TheTankWhisperer, "Marriage means whatever we want it to mean" - this is the basis of the disagreement. In my mind, marriage is something that actually exists, not a social and legal fiction.
@Toad, yeah, a mind that's been shaped by hate and ignorance. All these silly arguments only prove the points of those for human rights. You all are just roadblocks in the way of paving a new future where humans have basic rights, which is our purpose I think to allow all the same opportunities. Imbeciles...
@TheTankWhisperer, ...becaue of the reason I said? If there is legal equivalence between a man and a woman (that means if the law doesn't see a difference between man and a woman), then it is legally impossible to have a law that only helps women....
Marriage means whatever we want is not a very good argument. If marriage is about love, then: What about incest? What about polygamy? What about the woman in England who wants to marry her dog (that is real btw)? What about the woman who has fallen in love with a tree, who she calls "Tim", can she marry a tree (this is also real, google it)?
I see both arguments, for and against, as pretty crappy...
@talmet, look up the word "consent" (it's real, Google it).
Girls don't poop.
What I don't understand is, people like the person in the comic, don't claim bigotry when christians speak out against abortion, murder, or even sex before marriage, because they simply view it as a part of our beliefs (though they may claim other things) yet when we are anti-homosexuality, all of a sudden we are hateful. We don't hate gay people, much like we dont hate thieves , liars, or murderers. We are against the sin they are commiting, but we still love the person. If we were not against gay marriage, we would essentially be endorsing that sin. That being said, I don't understand people who specificaly pick homosexuality, or abortion, as their single righteous cause. We all sin, and in Gods eyes, all sin is equal, so the lie I told yesterday, is just as bad in Gods eyes as Larry and Pete gettin' jiggy with it. I think if lgbt would stop throwing it in christians faces, and the christians stop making the single issue their only concern, we could all live happily ever after.
@ Strider2k, And I say, let anyone who wants to marry anyone or anyones (for polygamists) do so from the comfort of their home. Just simply print out the marriage license, sign it, notarize it, file it with the state, boom, done. If you want a ceremony, you can ask, but not force, anyone to do it, be it your friend, your minister, or that crazy hobo down the street. Then churches/ministers dont have to participate in the government part of it, and they have free will to allow or not allow anyone of their choosing to have a marriage/bonding/pairing/whatever ceremony
@ Strider2k, but that's what they want. And republicans refuse to give that to them
Actually by definition this is a big IT.
This is so true I had this exact thing happen to me like a month ago
I totally agree in marriage equality. But it is hypocritical to force your beliefs/views on somebody who you claim is forcing their views on you.
For fvcks sake, You can hold your head up without holding someone else's down.
@Titaintium, not always, because why let people's ignorance suffice for their hatred of human beings they simply don't understand? Isn't our goal to make the world a tolerable better place to live in? It's impossible to achieve with hatred of fellow humans and severe lack of understanding of indifference. Especially to the likes of people of color and gay/lesbian people. They've always had it the toughest.
@Titaintium, I disagree. When your beliefs are based on hatred.
@Tallest man in world, I'm not disputing that. And I'm not defending somebody's right to be an douche.
But everybody is different, They teach that in elementary school. It's what makes our world beautiful.
And I completely agree about the hatred part. But this comic is not depicting hatred toward gays. It is depicting a difference of opinion, and that opinion is being met with hatred.
So let me ask you this. If I say to you. "I hate you because your gay" you would be against this correct? Because it is intolerant of somebody else's right to their views/beliefs. And I would agree, I am very much against blind hatred towards others rights. Now if you respond with "I hate you because you think that way" ...how is that any different? You are expressing hate toward my views/beliefs just as I was doing to you. Both scenarios are intolerant. It is a societal double negative.
We CAN disagree with others AND still be tolerant toward their beliefs.
@hollow114, So you give hatred back in return?
How can you ask somebody to be tolerant toward your beliefs when you meet their beliefs with intolerance? Hatred is disgusting, no matter who is dishing it out.
@Titaintium, would you love a neo nazi?
@hollow114, of course not. But that's hardly the Fvcking issue here. If that's honestly your response than discussing this with you is pointless to me. Because your being hollow. But I will be tolerant of your neo nazi mentality.
@Titaintium, so why would I love Christianity?
@Titaintium, the crusades alone were responsible for well over 20 million deaths.
@hollow114, I am not asking you to love them. I am asking you to be tolerant of beliefs that you oppose. Just as you are asking people to be tolerant of your beliefs... how do you not get that? If your preaching for equality then practice what you fvcking preach.
@hollow114, I know that. And the
@Titaintium, no you're asking me to be tolerant of people who are intolerant. You see what's wrong with that.
@Titaintium, I'm totally cool with loving Christians. It's Christians who feel the need to impose their false religious beliefs in my government.
@hollow114, I know that, and they were responsible for stunting the evolution of technology. I am not for Christianity. I actually oppose it for the most part. But I try to be tolerant of others beliefs.
@hollow114, but you are being intolerant as well!
@Titaintium, you know. I would be if they were right. But the old testimate was nullified by Christ. And 99% of people have broken the laws of Leviticus.
@Titaintium, I'm being intolerant of people with negative opinions. Yes. The opinion here doesn't help anyone.
@hollow114, if somebody is trying to oppress you then obviously fight it. And I also believe in marige equality. But if somebody is simply stating an opinion differing from yours, as this comic is depicting, then meeting them with intolerance is an absurd overaction and an example of the very behavior that you are claiming to be against. Forcing your views onto others. Which is what I am against.
@Titaintium, I see it as. Your views help nothing or no one. It only helps politicians who seek your vote because of your opinion. So keep them to yourself. If you opinion has no meaning behind it. It's pointless. Opinions are great, if you have an agenda
@hollow114, I guess I can agree with that.
As a homophobe, can confirm that the struggle is real.
@Ajunta Pall, I'm glad I'm not the only one out there
@Ajunta Pall, your struggle? That's kind of insensitive to all the gay/lesbians who kill themselves every year because they aren't even accepted in their own family.
@Ajunta Pall, can't tell if sarcastic or not.
@Archmage Araketh, and what about all the homophobes that kill themselves? The media is a one-sided liar, and you've been listening to them and only them. I'm saving up to move to Nigeria because homosexuality is illegal there. Why? Because my own country hates me for my views. I signed my life away for my country, I was willing to die for them, and they hate me for having an uncool opinion. Don't criticize me, I get enough of it already.
@Ajunta Pall, what do you expect? If you are being prejudice, then people aren't exactly going to support you; which is probably a good thing. If people are really going to kill themselves because people don't support their intolerance, then they need to reevaluate their morals.
@Archmage Araketh, You expect to win me over with your media spin sob "facts", and then show no sympathy for my condition? People like you are something I like to call "hipocrates".
@Ajunta Pall, your condition? If you really feel that it is a 'condition' then I suggest you seek therapy. If not, then why would I show sympathy for a position that only means to spread intolerance? If anything, I feel sorry for you that you were raised to hold these discriminatory views. But if you don't want to change your opinion, then I don't see why i should stop criticising your discriminatory views.
@Archmage Araketh, says the mainstream idiot who's discriminating against me and my kind.
@Ajunta Pall, I'm not discriminating, because I'm criticising your opinion, as opposed to something you can't change. It's you decision to hold those prejudices, whereas people don't choose to be homosexual. Homophobes aren't a 'kind', they are people who share an intolerant view of a certain sexuality.
@Archmage Araketh, see, that's one of the biggest lies they tell. It is a choice. Literally everything is a choice these days.
@Ajunta Pall, if it is a choice, then why don't you 'choose' to be gay? When did you 'choose' to be straight? It's easy to say that it's a choice when you've never tried to make the choice yourself.
@Archmage Araketh, You assume too much. I did choose.
@Ajunta Pall, have you ever tried to be attracted to men?
@Archmage Araketh, believe it or not, yes. But that was a long time ago.
@Ajunta Pall, and we're you attracted to them?
@Archmage Araketh, *were
@Archmage Araketh, for a while.
@Ajunta Pall, congratulations! You're bisexual!
@Archmage Araketh, not anymore.
@Ajunta Pall, you said that you were attracted to a man/men and also women, that's the definition of bisexual.
@Ajunta Pall, What is it your government does to show you hate? Are you lynched? Are you illegal? Are you shunned out of your own family? Put to death? What makes treating you badly worse than treating a gay person badly? Don't fight intolerance with intolerance. You used to be attracted to men for God's sake. You should understand from both sides that bigotry and violence causes nothing but pain. Treat your fellow human beings like that, human beings. You forced yourself to stop acting on bisexual urged and labeled yourself a homophobe and that is a rejection of self and of others. As a bisexual myself I can confirm it really isn't a choice. You can choose not to act but you sure as hell can't choose not to be.
@Ajunta Pall, you sound like every other washed up conservative 50 year old man who is upset with the "goddamn gays" and the "queer agenda". You simply find things to blame for your hatred of yourself, and cannot take responsibility. Whenever you see a gay man/women fighting for their rights while being oppressed by people like you, just realize, They Are Better Than You. They are forever more important, because they stand for millions rather than one selfish prick like yourself. I hope you have a miserable lifex
@Tallest man in world, I am 19.
Pray the gay away
I'd say guy on the right is pretty spot on. Cause your opinion should not effect people's personal rights.
Look, as a bi(I'll just use this since pan seems to confuse people) person I will respect other people's opinions, but is it really your business if who I decide to marry? And make it so I can't legally marry my girlfriend( luckily I live in MA so I can if I get one) because your religious beliefs say so? Before I accepted my fabulousness I was a bit of a homophobe myself, but we're all just people, and we only have a short time on earth, why not let us love who we love? And if we go to hell, why not let us enjoy our time on earth?
@Arthur Dentist, because we don't want you to go to hell. Except the Westboro Baptist Church, but they're assholes anyway.
@Arthur Dentist, Hey, I'm pan too!
@Arthur Dentist, I feel like you'd get more respect if you didn't refer to it as your fabulousness
@Tyrellious, it's a running joke between my friends and I. It's sort of poking fun at being gay. I thought it fit in there.
@Apollos, cool! I think I've seen one other pan person on the app. high five! 5👌☁️
@Arthur Dentist, I see. Well that is fine and good. And more power to you.
@Ajunta Pall, please, tell me more about how everyone who has ever done something "wrong" goes to hell according the bible.
@Apollos, I'm so jealous of you guys :P I would KILL to be pan!!
@Ajunta Pall, ask yourself this: WHY does God think homosexuality is immoral? Could it be that "God" has imperfect morality? How is that possible according to the Bible? It's not. God doesn't exist. The Devil is responsible for less evil than God according to the Bible.
@Arthur Dentist, @Apollos, I'm also pan!
And here we see someone arguing with the modern "liberal"
ADAM4D CARTOON ARE THE BEST!!! Theologically sound, totally true, pointing out the liberal double standard, ugh I'm proud to be Lutheran 😍
@TotallyNotAFangirl, is there a non bigot reason to oppose gay marriage? No no there isn't under constitutional law.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, there's no such thing as theologically sound. The "bigot" in the cartoon is nearly correct. There are two possibilities when a person is anti gay marriage. 1) They're a bigot and 2) They're ignorant. In this strip it's more likely that the anti gay person is ignorant than a bigot.
Also, I am absolutely intolerant of the opinion that there is something wrong with homosexuality. Where this opinion is express I will try to educate unless said person is simply a hateful bigot.
@hollow114, did you even read the comic strip? Look at the definition of bigotry. Gay marriage isn't a "creed" or belief, it's a person saying "hey so I know God made this thing special but I do what I want and I don't need Him oh that goes against your beliefs well you suck BIGOTTTTTTT". This cartoon points out the double standard. I oppose gay marriage because it goes against my beliefs, and aren't you supposed to be tolerant of my beliefs? Or are you only tolerant of every other belief but mine? Like Islam or Hinduism or postmodernism... now THAT is bigotry.
@Usmovers, if something agrees with what is taught in the Bible then it is totally theologically sound. Your two possibilities are a logical fallacy of bifurcation, because there is a third: it goes against my beliefs. In Genesis God created man and woman and said "a man shall leave his father and mother and the two shall become one flesh." God created marriage as this special Union and one can't redefine what God has made. It would be like saying grass is purple and the sky is orange. You could try to say that and argue it but it's just not true.
The thing wrong with homosexuality is that it's a sin. Sin is sin is sin. As bad as adultery and theft and rape and murder and all the other sins. That doesn't mean I hate homosexuals. I believe in hating the sin but loving the sinner. "I care for you and because of that I want to help you work through this issue."
I get your worldview is different than mine. That's obvious. But don't you see the double standard in your last paragraph?
@Usmovers, I am against gay marriage because of what I believe. How can you be so intolerant of my beliefs?
@TotallyNotAFangirl, no I'm not supposed to be. Separation of church and state is constitutional law. Your belief should in no way effect how laws are made. However, they are. I'm an atheist. I made my decision after reading the entire bible. And after reading all of it. Anyone who dislikes gays because of religion is a hypocrite. There's so many rules I can guarantee you've broken.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, ever eaten pig. Or lobster? You're just as bad as gays under biblical law. Or worn makeup. Or rated vegetables from any modern farm. Or worn two different fabrics at once. Or worn jewlery
@hollow114, no it's not constitutional law! The founding fathers based the laws on christian themes and morals!
I know I'm a sinner. I sin just as much as a gay person. I know we are all equally sinful. But a sinful human being cannot redefine what God has created.
A lot of what you listed is Leviticus law but they aren't laws anymore because JESUS came to fulfill the law. A lot of those laws pointed towards the Israelites needing a savior.
You need to look at the New Testament. Peter had a vision where God told him he could eat previously unclean animals, so bacon isn't a sin (hallelujah). A lot of what you listed isn't in the law anymore. HOWEVER whenever the NT lists sins that people commit, homosexuality is included. That's how we know it's a sin. You seem to misunderstand the Bible's teaching because of your secular worldview, so hopefully this helps.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, they actually did not. Constitutional law is separation of church and state. And Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were both vocally agnostic. Also the new testiment says nothing about homosexuality. Only Peter was against it. Jesus Christ taught us to love everyone. And the current Pope says gays will be accepted into heaven. Sooooo yeah
@hollow114, maybe but they understood the importance of the Bible. Also yeah it says a lot about homosexuality. Seriously, just look it up. JESUS taught us to love everyone, yeah. Which is why I love and care for the sinner and hate the sin. I'm Lutheran, not Catholic, but if gays repent of their sin and believe in Jesus, then yeah they will go to heaven. But if they try to be married and live unrepentant in their sin and disbelief, then they won't. Sooooooo yeah.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, as a former Catholic. My old religion says it's okay. And no the bible mentions gayness i think once or twice. It was actually a measure to prevent STDs which people knew about. Sodom and Gomorrah were about raping angels. And angels are genderless. It wasn't about being gay
@hollow114, the Bible doesn't say it's ok. Anyone who says it is is going against God's Word. No, the Bible mentions homosexuality many times in the NT as well as the OT, in lists of sins that people commit. Sodom and Gomorrah was about gay rape as well as many other sins. "We see the men you have in your home." The people committed many sins against God, and wanting to lay with Angels (as well as laying with people of the same gender) was one of them.
It seems to me that you have not read the Bible and do not understand Scripture. I'm trying to educate you on what I believe, but because you have a different worldview, we seem to be at an impasse.
This cartoon is about the double standard of people calling others bigots. If you demand that I am tolerant of your beliefs, then you should be tolerant of mine.
But of course, you aren't.
That's the double standard :)
@TotallyNotAFangirl, Sodom and gamorra was about Angel rape. Angels aren't male or female. It never once says it's because they are male. Now. Following that story. The dude is raped by his daughters. And that's totally okay. The bible also says abortion is okay. Yes. A man may bring his wife to the church. And if she has lain with another man a salve will misscarry her child. You can't site the old testimate ever. And Jesus never mentioned gays.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, also I have read the entire bible. I was Catholic. Then I read the bible cover to cover. And became an atheist because the book is like a poorly written fantasy novel.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, it doesn't matter if we understand or don't understand the bible, because the the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one-true-god
@hollow114, alright, if I can't cite the OT then you can't talk about the laws in Leviticus to make my point seem ridiculous :) do you see the double standard? The double standard that this comic strip pointed out, and the one that you keep trying to use?
@TheTankWhisperer, oh look, an atheist making fun of me. Isn't tolerance going around? Yall are tolerant of Muslims to the point that they kill gays and no one bats an eye. But Christians? Oh no you aren't tolerant at all. You just try to shut us down and silence us. Not THAT is the bigotry pointed out in this comic strip.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, because your belief is that other people can't have their beliefs. That's why.
@TotallyNotAFangirl, you're right. I totally tolerate the killing of gays. You were reading my mind.
Words get redefined all the time, however. It's part of how a language changes as the culture changes. Being against that is fruitless, as you can't really stop cultures from changing.
@BearDaniels, fvck off.
@Ajunta Pall, I'm sorry, that's too broad, not all are bad. Fvck Catholics.
@BearDaniels, that's better.
@Ajunta Pall, well screw you too, buddy. And I stole your twin bladed sword.
@BearDaniels, so of all the Christian denominations, you pick one that doesn't hate gays simply for being gay? Ok then.
I don't get what's the point of legal marriage honestly... if you really love someone and want to be with them until "death do us part", then you don't need a legal document to tell you that. Plus if you ever "divorce", it'll be less messy. But to each their own. And marry whoever you want as long as it's not incest and they're a human being.
@Your underwear, except taxes. Wills. Estates. Are all different for a married couples. Also you can't be single and adopt a child.
@hollow114, I agree with you about the important legal benefits of marriage, but in most places you can *definitely* be single and adopt a child.
I'm coming from 2016 and it's funny to see how wrong the creator of this is. Gay marriage is here and literally nothing changed.
The truth finally emerges.
Keep calm, and scroll on
I don't believe in gay marriage either BUT I would never use that belief to stop someone from getting married. I would never protest or tell someone they shouldn't be getting married. I don't support gay marriage but at the same time it makes me sad to think someone is denied being able to love whoever they wanted. I'm a straight female and would be devastated if I was attracted to women but couldn't do anything about it.
They took the "sanctitiy" of marriage out the moment they got the government involved. Now it's essentially just for monetary purposes in the event of death and whatnot and tax tidbits, which is unfair to exclude people who believe they're together from being a part of. If they would even make "domestic partnership" have the same benifits and allow for inclusion on insurance and whatnot it'd be much less of an issue.
@farfromahero, Well, marriage never really started with "sanctity" it originated in nomadic tribes as a way to progress lineage and maintain order literally thousands of years ago.