I like how the flag was identified as the problem and the murderer slipped away from our minds so quickly.
@TheFury01, that would require someone to take responsibility for their actions, and statistically speaking that doesn't happen all that often.
@TheFury01, *nsa voice*he knows too much...kill him!
@StatisticallySpeakng, I'm not sure what you said was relevant
@TheFury01, flags don't kill people, putrefied minds do. Take away their guns and they will use bombs, take away the bombs and they will use fire, take away their hate and they will use words to share how ignorant they were.
@TheFury01, because there really isn't much else to discuss about it. He was motivated by racist ideals that were symbolized by the flag in question.
@TheFury01, I say good. It's a terrible precedent that we have in obsessing over these horrible human beings. It just makes the next nut job realize how much media attention he will get when he looses it.
@Lord Commander Snow, shjt sorry, hit send by mistake. I meant to agree with water jug guy. The less attention we give psychos like this the better. They do it to go out with a bang. I wish we remembered the victims not the killers
@TheFury01, the daily show and the nightly show still talk about it
@Lord Commander Snow, you are correct. The victims need to be the focus. But we can never forget who our enemy is.
@Scooterpie, there is a very small percentage of people who still believe in those ideals. But they do not speak for everyone. The symbolism stands for more than what the media tells you. If you knew more about. Maybe you'd understand.
@Scooterpie, I agree with Fury. While a (very small) amount of people use the Rebel Flag to promote hate and discrimination, many others realize that it symbolizes the history of the South, and how the Southern States stood and fought for their states rights. The Civil War didn't start because of slavery, it was born out of tensions caused by the Nullification Crisis. It's too much to explain here, but you can research it if you'd like. Also, the flag flying on the Capitol grounds in SC and (maybe) Mississippi isn't the actual flag of the Confederate States of America. That flag, called the Rebel or more commonly Confederate Flag, is actually the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee's army, and never was used as the Confederacy's flag.
@TheFury01, honestly i like the flag. It was the first time the states showed part of the power they were given by telling the federal government to basically F-off
@TheFury01, and yes that is messed up that the flag is the problem now and not the murders
@Sweet or Sour, #bestcomments
@TheFury01, I mean, he's in custody, we're just waiting on his trial- but we can deal with the flag
Fun fact: It's also the French flag
@GhostDudeRandomMan, I just had this fantastic idea to call this flag the French flag and you just say it before me. You monster!
@LostLogic, you could call it the German flag and it wouldn't exactly be wrong. It would also be original, if I hadn't just said it.
@LostLogic, that's because it's the easiest joke to make. This comment section will be filled with people saying that
@GhostDudeRandomMan, actually, the French had the strongest military in the world during the First World War. World War One had just decimated the French army. After the war, there were so many war debts. The U.S. gave money to Germany to pay the rest of Europe, but Germany scathed money off the top. As a result, the U.S. funded the nazi military...
With the death of the Confederate flag, brought the death of the Confederate swag.
@Captain Kirk Hinrich, this didn't even make sense and I like ot
@Captain Kirk Hinrich, #bestcomments
Racism is bad. Tolerance is both admirable and desired. However actions of one racist should not be cause to kick the entire south. Look at LTC Chamberlain's actions at the Confederate surrender as a guide.
I live in Virginia and people are generally tolerant but the problem I have with the Confederate flag is that I have run into people who have them and I don't think I've ever heard them not say something racist
"Durn it, Jim Bob… Did you wash the flag with the whites again?"
Can we real quick take a second to recognize that the stars and bars is still flying above the South Carolina capital and take another second to recognize how backwards and terrible that is?
@TamblanTheBrick, theyre voting on taking it down....everyone here is oissed....me...nah...
@TamblanTheBrick, it got put back up in the 1960's by the democrats. So there was about a hundred year period when it wasn't there.
@TamblanTheBrick, how is it terrible? A southern state wants to embrace its past (good and bad) and remember a flag that wasn't specifically race motivated but instead motivated by state power over federal power which has become an emblem of the south. How is that backwards and terrible? Just because it isn't your flag doesn't make it backwards
@Tyrellious, just because people use it in acts of racism doesn't make it bad. I mean people use most anything they can think of to be hateful.
@Tyrellious, I'm all for pride and patriotism but when your flag was created to represent a nation who's formation was a result of racist ideals I tend to take a stand on the issue. You say it represents a "good and bad past" but when the entire point of the CSA was to keep black people as slaves strictly because their skin has more pigment it's hard to see any good in that.
@Natsu Igneel, I wasn't aware of that. I'm a Kansan myself so I won't pretend to know everything about every state. I just don't think it's right that it's up now. Thank you for the fun fact though.
@TamblanTheBrick, another interesting one is that the war start in a man's yard then that man moved to Appomattox court where the war ended. He's quoted as saying "the war started in my backyard and ended in my parlor."
@TamblanTheBrick, a nation whose formation was the result of racist ideals? So any nation formed between the discovery of America and the mid 1800s? And that wasn't the entire point of the CSA. They were fighting for states rights. One of those rights was slavery, yes. But to claim that the south was uber racist and the north was not racist at all is to ignore the context completely.
@Tyrellious, I'm not gonna argue that there was no racism in the north, and I'm not gonna argue that EVERYONE in the south was racist. I'm sure there were other states rights that the CSA was fighting for, but do we teach those ones to kids in elementary school? No, we teach them that the south seceded to keep their slaves (which seems to say something about our education system). If you went out on the streets and asked "why did the south secede?" people would say it was because of slavery. In today's society the confederate flag is generally associated with a nation that started a war over slaves. That's not a good thing for a state to be advertising
@Tyrellious, not to mention blacks weren't the only ones who were slaves many whites were as well it was mainly those who were poor that became slaves...slavery has been around much longer than this country has...plus abraham lincoln was a slave owner himself he didn't free his slaves or even the northern slaves he wrote a piece of paper to convince southern slaves to come north so they wouldn't fight with the south. The war wasn't even about slavery it's was the fact that the north was industrialized and had railroads and all the money while the south had crops they were sick of the federal government telling them what to do while not helping them at all
@TamblanTheBrick, eh. Advertising actual history over popular opinion seems respectable to me. And I learned about the CSA wanting states rights when I was in elementary school, but hey. I'm all for education reform.
@TamblanTheBrick, I'm not sure that's possible. Especially since pb&js are now a part of white privilege at schools
@Tyrellious, yeah I got my education at an Episcopalian school in Missouri. Different parts of the country teach different stuff, which, frankly, kinda sucks. If only schools could without bias then maybe we'd have a better understanding and acceptance of everyone
@TamblanTheBrick, same to you. I still support their decision to do what they want
@Tyrellious, I'm still against the flag over the capital but I've enjoyed our debate. There's always something to argue about, I'd prefer to return to the funny
@Tyrellious, Ahem, a quote from the Cornerstone Speech, by the Vice President of the Confederacy. "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid l, it's cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man, that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition". That was one of the core beliefs that the Confederacy was founded upon.
@TamblanTheBrick, the emancipation proclamation passed only freed southern slaves, but what about northern slaves? (Yes, there was northern slaves.) Also, Abraham Lincoln was going to send the majority of slaves back to Africa, (not including his own) before he was assassinated. History is never written by the guys who lose the war, you know. They don't want anyone in school knowing the 95% of the reason the south actually fought in a war.
@Tyrellious, the north during and after the war was very racist. Most thought slavery was bad but they didn't think that everyone was equal. It wasn't until groups like the KKK started doing lynching, bombings, and shootings that people changed their minds as a whole.
@CriTiKa1, additionally, several states including Texas and South Carolina issued declarations of their successions describing why they left - a few things were listed, but it was mostly slavery and it's westward expansion.
I actually just had a argument about this today. The confederate flag is historical and should not be removed from the south. Imagine if feminists somehow gained the pull in america to vote for the lady liberty statue to go down. It is a part of their history and they are proud of it.
@Rumble, How are you going to compare the racist confederate states to feminists? A better comparison would be Germany under Hitlers rule. It happened, it's a part of history, but it's definitley not bolstered and shown around the way the confederate flag is here. I agree they shouldnt be removed, but they belong in museums, not as a bumper sticker.
@Rumble, worst analogy of all time?
I thought that was the French flag
The South's actions after losing, and during reformation show us in no uncertain terms that the fight was in large part about slavery (see: formation of the KKK, Jim Crow laws, grandfather clauses, lynch mobs, etc.)
I suppose....im just sick of people making stuff out of nothing while ignoring real issues...tis the Internet and I'm just a quiet voice in the background of the roar of the masses lol
@Spartan133, I support you little guy
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@makaylamisty, you must have downloaded funny pics for ants
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Not sure why people would dislike this oh yeah I forgot some states are just now experiencing 1865
This is garbage. Maybe everyone should be talking about gun regulations, instead everyone is talking about a d@mn flag.
"This just in : A man was stabbed to death with a kitchen knife."
"well, better cancel Rachel Rays cooking show. cause f#ck her"
@Jakeers, she is a little beefy but I would
@Jakeers, thats not what this is about....the fact of the flag being historical doesnt negate the fact that a lot of people use it in acts of racism....jus sayin
@MMSieBreeze, true,true, but the Quran is used to justify terrorism, and you can still buy that on amazon
@Jakeers, thats because its "religious"
@MMSieBreeze, well let's outlaw white bedsheets
@Tyrellious, well if you wanna go there then lets outlaw crosses too! Why not just take down all the churches?! It happened in a church! Churches caused it! Omg it was a white guy lets outlaw white guys!
@Tyrellious, I realize ropes may offend some people. I apologize for that. But I'm simply stating things that have their own purposes that could also be linked to racism.
@MMSieBreeze, I live in TN and there are tons of people that have that flag on their shirts,trucks,purses whatever....the vast majority, I mean 99% of them are not racist it's a southern thing like hey I'm from the south...I've only met a handful of people that are racist and most of them don't even care for that flag...a flag has nothing to do with anything just more hate filled propaganda from out glorious government
@Spartan133, *ahem* Dixie. That is all.
@Tyrellious, what are you implying with that?
@Spartan133, oh. Nothing. Just saying Dixie because that's what I always think when I see that flag. Dixie land. Land of cotton. General lee. Etc.
@MMSieBreeze, haha guess I'm outlawed. So you're taking it to the extreme with that. But how is Tyrellious wrong? Many things can be tied to racism. One stupid kid has a misconception of what a flag stands for and kills innocent people "in the name of that flag" and then we as a country disassociate with that flag, even though it was a part of how our country came to be? It just doesn't make logical sense. It doesn't reduce racism in America by restricting a flag that doesn't stand for racism. But I'll tell you what it does do. It solidifies the rebel flag as a white supremacist flag. It makes it a flag that racists will flaunt in the name of white people. Now that the flag has been removed for being controversial it is now what people claim it to be. It no longer stands for anything but racism because America has chosen to make it all that it stands for. So now instead of a symbol of hope, pride, and new beginning, it's just a symbol for hate. So that's good.
@Jakeers, just a question, do you think that putting a few more gun regulations into place would have actually stopped him from committing such a terrible crime?
@venerable viking, just a question, did you know that gun free zones haven't stopped shootings in the past? Not all regulations mean anything if there is no power to back it up. Just saying "don't do that" doesn't mean jack if you don't give a reason for someone to "not do that"
@venerable viking, not at all. But I don't think the absence of a flag would have prevented it either. Nor do I think it will do any good. But just the opposite.
@Commandshark, yeah, I know. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, yet is consistently in the top few cities for murder rates with guns. The lawless don't care if gun regulations are in place or not.
The south will rise again!!!
If someone elses ideals can make you kill then you are no one. This whole world we live in was build with violence and that should stop we are all one race. HUMAN. or we are all from different extinct planets.. oh that would be so cool!
Two points: 1) The "stars-and-bars" looks pretty cool. Like, from a symmetrical, visual pleasing standpoint. 2) When you hear southern people going on about how it's a traditional thing, that is because it has essentially come to be the symbol for "I like to hunt and fish, drink beer, and ride fourwheelers.", which seems to be this regions more important, new-agy "cultural" heritage. Not that "Slavery is muh heritage, gotsta show the world! They took er jowbs!"...
@farfromahero, a lot of people don't get that the flag stands for "don't tread on me. Because I'll bite." It's not a symbol of "racism" (which is used way too loosely now) but a symbol that we're not your bjtch. The north hammered down so many rules and bossed the south around, as well started to industrialize themselves and leave the dirty hard work to the south. Well the south said "screw you guys" and left. The "free the slaves" whole part of the fight was about 2% of the issue, not to mention the north had slaves of their own. (Which the emancipation did not cover)
The south didn't want to grow crops for the rest of their lives. The flag is a symbol that we won't.
"I may lose this fight, but I garuntee it will be the difficult win you'll ever experience."
Less fun than usual fact: The modern confederate flag was actually not widely used as a symbol for the confederacy. Its popularity and general infamous connotations is a result of the KKK using it as their standard.