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Replace this with genders and you've got Feminism in a nutshell
* misandry. though often mis-represented, true feminism is about equality
@Traitor , egalitarianism*
@Traitor , Feminism is about revenge for all the years of inequality in order to create "Female Privileges". If it's honestly about equality, why do they only include the female gender in the name? As cpzombie stated, egalitarianism is an actual equality movement that tries to create equality for all in the country, (I.e. The LGBTQ community, minorities, etc.)
Sorry for long post but TL;DR, feminism fights for something that doesn't exist, egalitarianism actually creates change
@D1O, technically I'd argue that an egalitarian mentality accomplishes almost nothing. It's simply directed racism to attempt equality. An actual egalitarian would be more concerned with the children starving in third world countries than Stacy complaining that Jamal makes more working at the store, and Jamal retaliating with the race card. Many many many individuals in this generation need to wake up and smell the coffee, you ate not special and don't deserve any special privileges. You don't deserve a god damn thing in life, you have to fight for it tooth and nail.
@D1O, I have (albeit very briefly) learned about feminist theory. There are different types of feminism, and all are tied together by the idea that women and men deserve equal treatment. They just have different ways of going about it, all varying in extremity.
Unfortunately, popular feminism has been hijacked by loud and obnoxious radical feminists. As with any group/collection of groups of people, the loudest get the most attention, and have the most appeal to those who are young, uneducated, and/or looking for a scapegoat.
I'm not defending hateful radical feminists like any radicals, they blame all their problems on one group). I'm just saying that feminism itself is rooted in the desire for equality.
@ Tobias Widower, Except Jamal makes less than Stacy, Bill makes more than them both.
@IAmALittleUpset, actually no...look at what the leaders of major feminist organizations have said...here's a short list of my least favorites.
"all men are rapists"
"all men should be punished whenever any man commits a rape"
"feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice."
All from leaders of major feminism organizations. The first two were by the president of NOW.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, actually. Stacy makes the most.
If you compare people who have the same job. Single white women make most.
The idea that women make less is comparing total income. So it's comparing school teachers to doctors...also it doesn't take into account that many women don't work, and instead stay home and take care of children.
@talmet, Interesting. May I have the sources of these quotes? I can't seem to find those quotes by the NOW president (it is Terry O'Neill, right?), even on anti-feminist sites.
Also, you said yourself that two of these are (supposedly) from the same person. This gives the view of that one person, not every feminist in the world.
Have you ever heard of sex-positive feminists, who opposed anti-porn feminists? They are against the demonizing of male sexuality.
@talmet, Even within the same professions, women make less.
It is true that women are often primary caregivers, and will take more time off. This is where the situation gets more complex. What if women and men both got paid leave to take care of a newborn? What if we could overcome the traditional roles of the male breadwinner and the female caregiver, instead recognizing that fathers, too, can play an important role in caregiving?
This issue is not as simple as most people make it out to be.
@IAmALittleUpset, I didn't say they were from the current president of NOW....I had to go look the first one up, it was
@IAmALittleUpset, Judy Goldsmith. I knew it was the NOW president in the 80s but I couldn't remember which one. But it wasn't hard to find...there have actually been a large number of feminists who have said it, if you couldn't find it, then go learn how to Google.
@IAmALittleUpset, hmm...my response to your post about the wages disappeared. I don't feel like writing it all out again, so in shor.
No. If you compare the same job. Single white women make 102% of what single white men make.
The idea that a manager could pay a woman 72-75% of what they pay a man to do the same job is idiotic, as even the most sexist business owner in the world would prefer to cut their labor costs by a quarter and only hire women.
The 102% number came from a study that was so widespread it was on the cover of the New York times. It is the hard to find.
@talmet, Bah, auto-correct. It is NOT hard to find.
@IAmALittleUpset, you want another quote showing mainstream feminism not promoting equality? 1996 NOW press release: "Men only want custody of their children because they either don't want to pay child support, or because they are abusive and controlling (even though shared custody would not apply if one partner was abusive)."
@talmet, can you please tell me what to google to find that study? I believe it, I want a source to cite when I tell others.
@talmet, I guess I need some Google lessons, because I still can't find anything about Judy Goldsmith calling all men rapists. You'd think such an outrageous statement from the president of a large organization would get more press. All I could find were some obnoxious teens and a crapton of backlash against the feminist community.
What was your source?
@talmet, The source of that quote would be appreciated (I could only find a Reddit thread, for some reason).
The NOW president during 1996 was Patricia Ireland. I couldn't find the quote you listed, but I found:
"I don't think you lead by pessimism and cynicism. I think you lead by optimism and energy."
Or, "I want to reach young women to get them involved with the mission of the YWCA, economic empowerment of women and girls, and ending racism."
And, "Jesus never said anything about homosexuality".
Strange things to be said by someone who supposedly hates equality.
@IAmALittleUpset, the source was a press conference she gave while running against Smeal for the NOW presidency, it was on July 19th 1985.
Why are you telling me who the president of NOW was in 1996? I gave you a press release...do you know the difference between a press release and a quote?
@IAmALittleUpset, to me, the press release is even more damning. A press release is written by many people, and it is released after people proof read it....a quote can be taken out of context, or the person could have misspoken, a press release is official. Saying that the only reasons that a father would want to see his children is to avoid alimony or to continue to abuse the children is disgusting.
@Cpzombie, just letting you know, I provided the source above.
@talmet, My apologies. I missed the "press release" part (also, you opened by mentioning a quote). I still can't find it. Even if she did say that thing (which is contradictory to other things she has said), it still only represents one person twisting feminist ideas to fit an agenda. I am not denying that, some feminists, particularly radical feminists, do this. It happens in the extreme ends of every group. However, the fact still remains that moderate feminists want equality.
Try to think of it like this: would you stereotype every conservative as an overly religious, intolerant nutcase because of the antics of some on the very far right?
Honestly, I think this thread is going nowhere. Neither one of us can change the other's mind. Besides, this is Funny Pics.
@IAmALittleUpset, question: how are women not equal to men already? I mean besides in child custody, criminal court, rape accusations...
@Cpzombie, The issue goes a little deeper. It's not always what is happening, but WHY it is happening.
Are there terrible women who will frame men for rape and then get away with it? Of course! And those people are scum. The problem is, those people can take advantage of the old idea of the strong man and the fragile woman.
Women seem to get the advantage in the areas you mentioned because they are assumed by the public to be helpless. To many people, a woman can't hurt a man.
Women's and men's issues are intertwined. For the problems to go away, we all have to work together.
@Cpzombie, One more thing. We live under the illusion of equality. However, removing discriminatory laws will not eliminate old sentiments. These things take time, and fixing them can be quickened if people stopped trying to convince themselves that the problems no longer exist.
Here's an analogy: let's say that for centuries people would throw their garbage onto the streets. A law might be passed to end the garbage-throwing, but there will still be garbage on the ground.
@IAmALittleUpset, in general, women are weaker than men, in upper body strength. Women are stronger in lower body strength. Those are biological facts... Views on that won't change, unless biology also changes (or people just ignore science).
@Cpzombie, I know. However, the difference is not so pronounced that the strongest woman is weaker than the weakest man. The differences are not so pronounced that women should be assumed to be too weak to look after themselves while men are assumed to be so strong and dominant that hurting a woman would be like kicking a puppy.
The problem is that people (often unintentionally) cling to these exaggerated ideas of gender differences, leading to unfair double-standards that hurt everyone.
Men and women are biologically different, but they are not completely different creatures.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, I giggled at this
Regardless of your race you shouldn't be proud of something you did nothing to achieve, only be proud of the things you worked for and the challenges you have overcome. I can understand if you say it because your race has caused you a challenge in your life that you had to face but just saying it to be proud about every aspect in your life means you have an ego the size of a planet that needs to be taken down a notch
Fun fact: polar bears' fur is actually transparent, not white
Panda: I don't know what I am.
@Baboo the Ocelot, unsure if you are correcting me or copying me
Racism: That Shjt Existed Before Mankind
SJWs in a nutshell
Brown bear gets shot by a cop
Yaaayyyy lets overly simplify the racist culture and an institution designed to keep non white ppl second class. All in a 1 nice picture
@Kingkbg21, let's make it racist for one group to be proud of who they are.
@TheMonkeyGod, let's put on badges and kill ppl cause they have more melanin in their skin and not receive punishment.
@Kingkbg21, yeah because all white people did that and agreed with it. Hey what was the colour of the skin of the guy who emancipated slaves in the USA?
Just because some are scum bags is no reflection on all. It is also no reason for those who have done the right thing to be proud.
And if you want to ask stupid questions, which minority group ate responsible for the majority of violent crime in the USA? Should everyone hang their heads in shame because of this? No. Only those who commit the crime.
@TheMonkeyGod, Stop acting like the white power movement didn't put a swastika on a flag as their symbal. Stop acting like the most prevalent group for white pride isn't the KKK. Stop acting like everyone doesn't only ever say this BS once POC want to do something positive for themselves. White people ruined it for other white people. It's not POCs fault, it's not the media's fault. It is white people's fault.
@iminfodealwithit, Everything I said was true, no? I'm genuinely confused, where did I go wrong?
@MayITakeYourHatSir, this message brought to you by; the people who do no research as all the brutal deaths were from the suspect doing illegal activities or running from the cops.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, stop acting like every white person was part or is part of it. Think dude. White people passed the laws to give POC the right to vote, they passed anti discrimination laws, they continue to fight for POC, considering that the vast majority of legislators are white. White people are not the enemy, we have been allies.
Also stop acting like POC are innocent of any form of racism. I'm not from the USA, but when I holidayed the I kept getting told all the areas to not go into because I'm white and I'd get attacked the because of my son colour. I was told this by my black friends.
We need to tackle the ar$eholes on both sides as one people, as humans together , and stop dividing ourselves. United we stand, divided... well just look at where we are at right now.
@iminfodealwithit, also more whites are killed by cops in the USA every year... for much the same reasons though. White lives don't matter....
@TheMonkeyGod, Did I blame every white person? No. Was I talking about anything but the reason that white pride has a stigma attached to it? No. The only thing every white person in America does is benefit from the system, I know that, so I didn't say that every white person does anything else. Furthermore, white legislators didn't just wake up one morning thinking "You know what we should all do? Help out those guys, they deserve it." It took decades of protesting by POC and allies. And speaking of allies, they don't get a pat on the back for being decent people. And you had to watch yourself because of your skin color? Wow, welcome to every day of every black person in America's life.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, which goes back to my original point. Some did this. Just because some, a vast minority, did this, dis not mean I should not be able to say I'm proud of my heritage. Read my first comment and think on it a little. All people should be able to be proud of their heritage, and also feel some disappointment in those who have fallen short. And you know what, people should be grateful that people did the right thing. They didn't have too, they did choose to. Yes, there was protest and there was pushing and there was promoting, but these people came around.
Cool so racism against me is ok because of racism against you? No. I think it's wrong that POC people still have huge disadvantages; I think it's wrong that anyone does. We should all have the same opportunities and only be limited by our own capabilities. Not everyone can run like Bolt.
@TheMonkeyGod, That's really a great sentiment, why don't you tell it to the white people who run everything? And yeah, you reserve the right to be proud of your heritage, and I reserve the right to give you the side eye as you proclaim your white pride because you know good and well what that suggests.
@MayITakeYourHatSir, i do tell it to white people. I tell it to everyone. I feel no shame for my heritage. My family never kept, traded or had involvement in slavery of POC. We treated other white people badly, but you can't have everything.
He needed a fish slap to calm down.
This picture doesn't really help the case
You can't say mankind that's sexist