"It's ok, to not like things, but you don't have to be a djck about it."
@Last Samurai, why quotes?, it was Einstein who said it right? Or MLK?
@Dr Who Fandom, George Washington
@Last Samurai, I wish more people followed this
@Dr Who Fandom, its a song on youtube
@Last Samurai, as long as that goes both ways
But why does it matter that he's an atheist? Am I missing something?
I am an athiest also. And I can't stand when someone tries to pish their beliefs on me. So I make sure I never push my beliefs (or non-beliefs) on them.
@2ndAmendment, good. I'm Catholic and I find it ridiculous seeing other Christians defending Kim Davis or bashing same sex marriage. Some have no concept of separation of church and state
@D0N RAM0N, I upvoted you to even it out because some jacka$$ doesn't know that the founding fathers actually wanted that separation. Don't take offense to this but the way I see there's Christians/catholics and then there's bible thumpers. The bible thumpers are the annoying ones you actually hear about (Westboro for example). The normal Christians/catholics are the ones properly behaving like actual Christians/catholics.
@SleepingUgly, How do you know he's an atheist? For all you know he could be a taoist monk.
@2ndAmendment, Wow, has society become that boring and self censured? I like it when someome shares his beliefs with me so we can have an actual debate on something (while staying respectful).
@Random Movie Quote, I agree with that premise, however; I do believe that religion is not a debatable topic due to the human's STRONG opposition to switch faith
@2ndAmendment, hi! Remember when you spammed that pic a few days ago? I do!
@Captain Penis, agreed, I love a debate about religion, any of them, religion should have a free pass from ridicule,
I'm a pastafarian myself and I welcome anyone that tries to mock my religion.
@Random Movie Quote, I think everyone is partly right! No belief - about biology, the origins of the universe, or paper clips - should be free from criticism. But, everyone should be free from harassment. Essentially we have to judge whether the time is appropriate for a respectful discussion. That rules out funerals ;)
@Random Movie Quote, I like a good discussion about religion. However, too many people have a superiority complex about the issue and state what they believe as fact while putting the other persons beliefs down (all beliefs have people who do it), so I am convinced that debating religion respectfully is near impossible
@2ndAmendment, good guy atheist.
@2ndAmendment, there needs to be more of you in the world
@The Puppet Man, more accurately there are religion believers and then there are fanatics, people who are only there to ride the wave and try to force other people to do it with them, any one who respects their religion doesn't shove their beliefs down someone else's throat
@Random Movie Quote, you are one in a million, atheists immediately get super offended when someone even says the word religion, they're like vegans when they hear someone talking about meat, and on the other side... People with religious beliefs know so little about their religion that they get super defensive and angry everytime someone wants to debate religion... It's sad we can't have discussion about religion anymore, I actually enjoy them a lot and learn a lot in the process
@BaconPopsicle, I'm an atheist and I have no problem with religious ppl. In fact I now work in a retirement home completely based on Christian beliefs and being the hand of God to help the elderly and things like that. I'll have you know I love this job and I'm still an atheist. So when you want to insult a specific handful of militant atheists, say "some atheists" not just "atheists". Thank you and sorry for the rant.
@Krinko, because it says he is
@SleepingUgly, oh yeah, it does. But what if that's just an assumption made by the disembodied narration?
@2ndAmendment, THANK YOU. I'm also one and am more than willing to listen and respect someone else's beliefs. But there is a big difference between that and cramming you beliefs so far down someone's throat that they can't breathe :)
Days later his friend died while proving that gravity is just a theory.
@Chimera Ant, good, one less djckjead creationist who thought that he could force his dumba$$ ideologies onto people who aren't making there stance on religion an issue
@Chimera Ant, technically, Gravity is a theory. science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/3380theory.html
@Cpzombie, I know. Unfourtanely some people don't understand what a scientific theory actually is
@Chimera Ant, is it you? Cause it kinda sounds like you think gravity's not a theory
@George Feeny, wat...
@Chimera Ant, he saddens me
I always get a load of down-votes when I mention gods aren't real, why would that offend people?
When I was young I thought the moon was made of cheese,
I was pleased when someone explained it wasn't, things made a lot more sense after that.
Yet I'm supposed to keep my mouth shut so I don't offend people's "beliefs"...
Well don't be offended, easy.
Saying there is no God to a Christian is no different than a Christian saying there is a God to people of other faiths or no faith. If a Mormon a Jew and a Muslim all believe different things, where is the offence?
Sometimes scientists believe different things from each other, but at least the try and prove themselves right or the other wrong, I doubt they get offended by their beliefs, they just say "oh, looks like I was wrong, never mind"
If anyone proves any one of the 4000+ gods real, I will be the first one to believe it
...that is all
@WelI Obviously, walking cactus with jeans?
Don't get it
@DaddyWurzel, An atheist telling a Christian that there is no god is like someone who doesn't believe in the moon telling people that it doesn't exist.
@DaddyWurzel, I'm saying that telling a Christian that there is no god is like telling anyone that something which obviously exists isn't there.
@ archiethesailor, I actually knew someone that didn't believe the moon existed, an adult, they thought the sun and the moon were the same thing, I swear, she thought it just went dull at night.
I did the right thing and explained they were different.
A blind person might not know the moon exists, but apart from that I don't quite get the point, maybe the moon was a bad choice
@DaddyWurzel, And that he wasn't a prophet. I'm sure you're trying to compare Islam with Christianity, the comparison doesn't work.
@ archiethesailor, like telling a Muslim that the Prophet Muhammad didn't have a flying horse?
@ archiethesailor, yes it does, it's the same thing, every religion think they have they are right , don't they?
@DaddyWurzel, Yes every religion, including atheism (I can already hear you claiming that it's not a religion) thinks that it's right. The fact is though, only one can be. That one is Christianity. So, no, Islam is not a good comparison for Christianity.
@ archiethesailor, I can't see how atheism can't be defined as a religion, it must be a lack of religion. Christianity, as far as the bible goes has been proven false countless times, I've read the entire bible and some parts twice, the claims that are made are ridiculous and unfounded, even in genesis alone there's enough to rubbish the lot, the things that happen in the bible don't happen in real life,
I'm not having a go at any person that believes it,
I'm just doing a book review as such.
Even as a work of fiction, Lord Of The Rings was much better.
Know I'm not denying there are some parts that are true,
but the parts that are far fetched, you know, the "miracles" things like that can't happen, it's a fact.
Some people haven't read it all.
When I see a Christian drink poison and without harm I'll be convinced.
@DaddyWurzel, You claim, without any proof, that an all powerful God can't perform miracles. The bible has never been proven wrong, it's only ever been confirmed as true. And you're saying that the only way to convince you is to have God perform a miracle right in front of you, you want Him to bend to your will. It doesn't work that way.
@ archiethesailor, have fun believing in an imaginary friend
@ArcticSniper12, Oh look, another claim made by another self righteous, self absorbed atheist with absolutely no evidence involved. This is actually exactly what I expect from you people.
@ archiethesailor, And where is your proof?
@ArcticSniper12, Look at the bible. Archeologists have found proof of the flood, Jericho, and the Israelite kings. The bible made scientific statements that were found true way before any scientist discovered them. If you need anything further, look it up yourself.
@ archiethesailor, ANYONE can write a book about anything they wanted.
@ArcticSniper12, That has nothing to do with what I just said
@ archiethesailor, The "bible" is a book. Anyone could have written it. Anything could have been put in it and people like you would have instantly believed/followed it.
@ArcticSniper12, You know what else is a book? Every textbook ever. Biology, chemistry, history (especially history), you believe what you read in those. The thing is though, it was written mostly by eye witnesses and was divinely inspired. Like I already said, it made scientifically accurate statements before scientists found those things out themselves. That means it's more than just a book.
@ archiethesailor, The information in those textbooks have been scientifically proven true unlike your religious books. Your "bible" is nothing more than just a book. Some of it may be able to be proven scientifically but an imaginary friend in the sky? Nope. It's like aliens. They may or may not exist. We just need the evidence to prove it.
@ archiethesailor, how convenient for God...
Yet in the bible God would walk around on earth, that's why you have to cover your poop so God doesn't step in it (yes it's in the bible)
Why do I need proof that something invisible with no effect on anything doesn't exist? That's ridiculous,
you'd have to prove all the gods don't exist, then someone could invent 100 new gods and they would have to be proven nonexistent, there's not one scrap of evidence for any god.
Now if the bible said humans evolved from apes thousands of years before it was proven real, then that would be something, if it said Stars were the same as the sun rather than things that can fall to earth that would be another,
if the bible a cures for diseases rather than say they are caused by non belief that would be convincing.
But no worldwide flood, the only place you will find on the Internet with fake science like that is on creationist websites begging for money (like Ken Ham's)
Adam & Eve? A fairytale
@ArcticSniper12, And again, you've ignored what I said just so you can claim He doesn't exist. We're done because you don't listen.
@DaddyWurzel, Let me get this straight, it's ridiculous for you to have to back up your claim, but you expect everyone else to back theirs up? I know why you say that, it's because you understand that your position isn't defendable and hope that I wouldn't recognize that fact. And do you know why evolution isn't in the bible? It's because it's not real.
@ archiethesailor, no, you can't handle the truth of an imaginary friend being just that, inaginary. You, along with the others who think there's a "god", have been brainwashed and conditioned into thinking so either since birth or since someone said so.
@ArcticSniper12, And I can say that you and every other atheist has been conditioned by other atheists to not believe in Him despite all evidence.
@ archiethesailor, I did reply, things don't work that way.
You have to prove things exist.
I can't prove Bigfoot doesn't exist, that doesn't mean he does, you must be winding me up 😏
@ archiethesailor, nobody conditioned me or brainwashed me. I just belive in proof. The majority of my family is religious since that's how they were raised. They tried it with me and I still don't believe in a religion
@ archiethesailor, sorry didn't see this message, re: evolution.
Evolution is real.
It's been proven beyond all doubt.
If it wasn't it would be front page news.
What claim do you want me to back up?
That none of the gods are real?
Or just the God of the bible?
The bible has proven itself to be wrong,
like it says... If you believe in Jesus you can drink poison without harm, you ignored that bit.
@DaddyWurzel, look it's simple don't be a dick. If you don't believe something cool don't believe it. If you do believe something cool believe in it. What does it matter to anyone else.
@George Feeny, well nothing really matters, nothing at all,
but while I'm alive I like to talk about stuff, and this happens to be one of my favourite subjects, along with video games and Star Wars,
I'd have the same debate over which Star Wars movie is best or which Smash Bros game I prefer.
I'm not judging anyone, I'd believe something if I saw evidence, just curious Tia all,
I was bought up Christian but never took the bible literally, I didn't know anyone did, I only found out this year and I'm 36,
I don't think I've said anything nasty to anyone, I've kept it quite lighthearted, I'm offended by anyone's opinion and I'm not out to offend 😄
@DaddyWurzel, fair enough. But I gotta ask, what do you mean you never knew anyone took the bible seriously? Are you being literal or making a joke?
@DaddyWurzel, I mean if you were raised Christian someone in your family would have had to have taken the bible seriously right?
@DaddyWurzel, if you're not out to offend why tell them their is no God in the first place, instead you could say "I don't believe there is a god" if they get offended by that then it's their problem, not your because it is your opinion and you have the right to speak it, what becomes offensive is when you tell them they are wrong because you don't believe in their opinions, that is offensive. Arguing and having a debate are two different things, arguing is two people who feel entitled to show each other up and prove each other wrong, a debate is an expression of opinion in which two open minded people discuss something to come to a conclusion which they can both agree on. With your statement you seem to be purposefully starting an argument just to make yourself feel entitled.
Sorry for the long post.
Tldr; don't be a dick.
@Carl Jenkins , well said
@DaddyWurzel, no he is trying to say god obviously exists like the moon
@George Feeny, it matters when someone tries to push there beliefs into the government, onto schools, into laws, and into social constructs. Then it ceases to be someone's person belief and has become a problem.
@ThePrinceofDarkness, yes but your then pushing your beliefs that those beliefs shouldn't be taught. I'm just saying honestly who cares. Schools teach hours of worthless crap a day, and I have a teaching degree, it's not like that time would be better spent learning something rlse
@ThePrinceofDarkness, I don't cRe if your religious or not. I mean I am but if you are that's cool if your not that's cool. I'm cool with debates but most people, both religious and non religious, just argue now a days for no reason trying to make the other side look dumb.
@George Feeny, care*
@George Feeny, I care. If you belive in the Constitution you should care. If you believe in literature from the Senate (treaty of tripoli) you'd care. It's irrelevant really weather there is a god or not, this nation states multiple times that religion is not to be imposed on the people an yet religions (mostly christians) constantly try to instill there morals on people, and then atheist look bad for saying "wtf no" because we (I'm atheist) are a minority (15-20%) unlike the Christian majority of 75-70%
@ThePrinceofDarkness, dude at this point I'd say it's an even split between religious and non religious people on how often they try to push their belief in God or belief in a lack of God. Both evolution and religion require faith. I mean adaptation is a fact but there are too many missing links for evolution to be more than a theory. So teaching evolution is technically teaching a faith based lesson. My point is simple wether you are religious or not let people be don't try to push your views on them.
@George Feeny, and again yes adaptation is an obvious fact of life but evolution differs from adaptation because of evolution depicts specific branches from a common ancestor and most of those branches have never been found not had any evidence of them.
@Carl Jenkins , I don't see a problem when it's the other way round, if a Muslim tell me I'm the Koran is 100% (when which they have) I don't find it offensive, or if someone told me they believe in reincarnation, I just I like to have a chat about it,
I'm not offended when someone says there is a god/gods so why the problem the other way round
@George Feeny, no I'm serious, yes thinking there is a god is one thing but taking it literally is another, as far as I know the Jews that started the whole thing off don't take it literally, I'm in the UK maybe that makes a difference, The Church Of England and the Catholic Church both official except evolution, so yeah I was a bit shocked that anyone did take it word for word when I found out this year.
Then I see the TV evangelists on YouTube and it's clear to me they are in it for the money, they live in multimillion dollar houses and own private jets all tax free 😑
@DaddyWurzel, the spelling went a bit pair shaped on the last post, didn't have my glasses on
@ archiethesailor, Christianity may be the one religion that is right for you, but broadly claiming it's the only right religion is similar to your complaints of an atheist saying there is no god. To you, and many other people, it may be right. To many others it isn't. There are thousands of gods out there that people believe or have believed in, and no one has an authority over another to tell them their god isn't real or right for them. I'm not particularly religious myself, but if someone finds personal happiness and strength from some spiritual or religious connection, then congratulations for them. The problem is when they become a holy roller with attitudes that you are displaying in these and other posts, trying to force religion into other people's lives or shaming them for a lack of one. It's off-putting to have any sort of religion (or non-religion) forced on you. Live and let live.
@DaddyWurzel, haha, I don't think you understood my comment, I said there is no problem stating your belief, what becomes a problem is when you tell them "there is no God" that offends people, instead you could simply say "I don't believe in God", you see the difference, when you state an opinion like a fact it becomes offensive. Keep your opinion an opinion and if they still get mad that becomes there problem, because your opinion is yours and no one else's.
@Carl Jenkins , I suppose so you are right in a way,
but it's still the same both ways, if someone is stating a particular god is real for a fact without any evidence, then surely it's the same thing,
which is my whole point, why is it offensive one way but not the other?
And I've always said I'd believe it if it was proved real,
so I'm quite open minded really, but the way I see it is that something is real when it's proven real, otherwise I could say there is an invisible fairy that eats kittens living in my garden, an no one could prove it didn't exist.
@DaddyWurzel, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say it's offensive only one way, it goes both ways is the way I see it, instead of saying there is a god instead say I believe there is a God and vice versa for atheist, point is there will always be those idiots on both sides, let's just keep that away from this app is all.
@Carl Jenkins , I see what you mean, it's all in the wording, good point.
But it could cause more problems, I know I'm being a bit silly here but at point does a belief become a fact?
Do I say I believe there are trillions of stars in the universe or there are trillions of stars in the universe?
I could never count them all, if you get my drift.
Just to put it out there, I don't find it offensive if someone tells me their god/gods are real, is a Christian offending all other religions when they say there's is the only true religion?
Because then they would be offending every other faith,
that's sort of what I'm getting at really.
Just having a chat and laugh about it, I've got friends that laugh at me and call me monkey boy because of the whole evolution thing, making fun of me for believing something they don't, I don't see the harm in that, it's all just in jest, if they chopped my head off it would be a bit ott.
@DaddyWurzel, I see your point, some people are more sensitive than others, my way of solving this is avoiding the topic unless it brings out a meaningful debate or conversation, other than that I make fun of everything, some people do get offended by that but I guess you can't please the world 😳
@Carl Jenkins , yep.
I've been enjoyed the chat, sometimes those topics without a clear cut right or wrong are the best.
This needs to be a public new announcement
@ArcticSniper12, dude your message is the only one I read but dang dude just chill. And this is for everyone both atheist and religious people. I don't feel like reading everyone's posts. Just relax. No matter what you believe it matters to you and you feel strongly about it and it defines you. Why would you want to take that feeling from someone else? Do you think they will be happier after you act like an ass? There is debating then there's insulting. When you resort to insults you're proving you have no other defense besides those you previously used.
@George Feeny, I really just find flame wars annoying. I mean we should all be at least 17 we should be able to have debates without getting furious and calling them dumb. We should be able to at least use reasons not just saying "well you're dumb if you don't believe in God" or "your dumb if you do believe in God". I mean come on would that kind of argument sway any of you from your beliefs? No of course not so why would you think it will work on others?
Yeah because when an atheist says their non belief on Facebook no theists ever say anything...
@tv turtle 2025, what you say "I'm atheist" what they hear "I like to engage in anal sex with satan"
@tv turtle 2025, it always goes both ways, there are always idiots on both sides.
@The Doctor Horrible, they don't? And here I thought if I become atheist I could enjoy some anal sex with Satan.
@Carl Jenkins , I don't know. In my experience, when I say I'm an atheist, theist always ask "why?". But when I ask "why?" the other way it's taken as an offense
@Carl Jenkins , there's also the whole hell thing
@tv turtle 2025, I can understand where you're coming from, but I have been in places where 80% where athiest, although most of them where cool guys and gals, I was made fun of and shamed, every time I said something they laughed and said people who believe in fairy-tale have no place to speak, I have never been more pissed in my life. But yeah I must happen to you more because there are more religious people than atheist.
@tv turtle 2025, not from me. I say live and let live.
@tv turtle 2025, thiest don't hate atheist. We hate vegans, everyone hates vegans.
Just like Tim. You go, Tim.
A freaking men. I go to school with a very strong willed outspoken atheistic lesbian. We have never clashed or argued because she's a great girl and super nice and why should I care how she lives her life or what she believes? But have her overhear me say the words Jesus to someone else *worse I was even just making a joke* and dear goodness have mercy on my soul let's all talk about how he's not real. Thanks.
I have no problem offending people who believe in a genocidal, sexist, bigoted god.
@Usmovers, And I have no problem offending people who wrongly think that God is sexist, genocidal, or bigoted in any way.
@ archiethesailor, the biblical God is absolutely all three of those not to mention non-existent. Though for the sake of argument why do you think the biblical God isn't any of those three things?
@Usmovers, By bigoted, I'm guessing you mean anti gay, but it's not bigotry to be against a sick perversion, no matter how often you people toss the word around. By genocidal, what are you talking about? The flood that killed all the bad people who were in the world at the time? The two cities that didn't even have five good people in them (Sodom and Gomorrah)? Getting rid of evil isn't genocide. And I honestly have no idea where you could have gotten sexist from. Now prove that He's non existent. Go ahead and go against the evidence and try to prove it.
@ archiethesailor, A the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. It is your job to prove the existence of God.
B) Your stance on homosexuality is all I need to know about you. This conversation is over. Good day sir!
@Usmovers, You made the claim that he's non existent, therefore the burden lies with you.
And what's wrong? Can't stand other people being on the right side of the gay argument? Can't stand being told that you're wrong?
@Usmovers, never have I read such a ignorant statement.... Please go take a second to read about what you're so strongly trying to disagree with...
@BaconPopsicle, I'm listening. Explain if you will.
@ archiethesailor, dude I'm a Christian too but come on what does it matter if a dude likes a dude or a chick likes a chick. The bible specifically says not to judge someone for the speck in their eye when you have an entire log in yours. Or in layman terms don't ignore all your issues to condemn someone for one of theirs.
@George Feeny, I know I have issues. I don't ignore them, I'm willing to admit to them and try to avoid them. I expect no less from anyone else, gay or straight. And telling someone that they're doing something wrong and need to try to avoid it isn't judging them. Judging them would be saying that they're bad people or are worse than someone else.
@Usmovers, I don't think people like you belong on this app, we are a brotherhood of users were we laugh together, people like you need to go back to ifunny
@Carl Jenkins , I'll stop making comments like this when SP stops posting pics like this.
@Usmovers, sigh you always post this same argument on every religious pic. You maintain its okay to be bigoted if your opponent is bigoted. But since you were saying this out of nowhere that makes you the prejudiced and bigoted one so by your opinion it's now ok for them to be bigoted against you. See the issue? You act like everyone is out to get you and whine about mistreatment from religion but most religious people truly don't care about your orientation. I mean some pastors are even presiding over homosexual weddings but you are to busy claiming their bigoted to notice. I mean come on don't be so caught up in hate to notice that you're hating a group because you claim they hate you. Which again we don't we don't care about who you are or what you are. I mean that in a positive way outside of murder I say do your own thing. Just don't be a dick like you're being
@Usmovers, no, there are plenty of religious jokes on here that we all have laughed at, it's people like you and archiethesailor who get butt hurt and want to shove your beliefs in everyone's faces, those type of people belong on ifunny. You guys ruin this app.
@Carl Jenkins , not really. You aren't obligated to read the thread, if you don't like the conversation and it's obviously going to be a flame war, swipe right and get on with your life.
@Carl Jenkins , he does agree with us so we should kick him out! Nice Hitler mentality bud. Just because someone wants to engage in actual conversation, they should leave the app? Like I just said, you don't like the convo, swipe right and get on with your life.
@ThePrinceofDarkness, you could do that, but where's the fun from all the would be funny comments, back then this app wasn't like this to this level. We would enjoy and share as friends almost, and that special bond gets destroyed by people like this, this was my concern when this app got popular.
@Carl Jenkins , yeah I've been here for 2-3 years, but pictures like this insight conversation, and conversation is never wrong.
@ThePrinceofDarkness, that's not conversation, he is offending people out of spite to feel better, that's pathetic. If he wanted to start a conversation he would do it in a less offensive manner, and how exactly is that a Hitler mentality, Hitler believed in a perfect race and if you didn't look and act like the perfect race you were to be killed. All I'm saying is take your bulllshjt somewhere else so we can go back to laughing at everything and having conversations, this is the place for some people to release their stress, not add to it.
@Carl Jenkins , A.) It is a fact that most theologians agree with that the old testament god was all three of those things. He killed 13 kids for making for of one of his followers being bald. He had them mauled by a bear. Just because today's christians don't believe in the old testament or stand by their morals doesn't mean it's offensive. If the bible is
fact, it's all fact, and there is some extremely fvcked up shjt in that book.
B.) Exactly? Not sure what your point there is. You aren't like us (don't want funny all the time and offend you with their different POV) so they should be removed from app (symbolically killed)
@ThePrinceofDarkness, what? I don't think you understand exactly what the op said, they said they have no problem offending people, if you want a good discussion have one, I never said not to, I like debates too, but it's not a debate or a conversation if there point is to offend people. Also this is funny pics not debate pics.
@Carl Jenkins , I ruin the app by defending my religion from asshats like usmovers? I don't think so.
@ archiethesailor, no by getting butt hurt and feeling it necessary to shove your beliefs in his face, if you don't want him to offend you be the bigger man, or you will feed people like this to continue, also you are offending him as well so you could say he's just defending his beliefs, even though he started it.
@Carl Jenkins , Carl is right the whole message of usmovers was I like to offend people if they offend me. Our point is simple it's not every Christian who would offend you just like it's not every atheist who offends Christians. It's the crazy fringe group of both. For example I have lots of non religious friends occasionally we have religious debates but we are all laid back people so there is no insults, beyond the normal friend back and forth jokes, and we all leave the conversation having heard a differing point of view. That's our point. Share your point of view don't try to force it on others
Okay this is a respectful and thought out response and deserves a detailed reply.
A) I absolutely do not support any bigotry. My stance is that I respect a persons right to believe whatever they want but I do NOT have to respect what they believe. For an instance I believe a person has the right to believe the Nazis were right but that doesn't mean I believe they have the right to practice such disgusting beliefs. The same holds true for religion. I respect the persons right to believe but not necessarily what they believe.
B) I'm very much aware that most religious people are not sexist genocidal bigots. Generally speaking I have no issue with the average bible follower. I believe following the bible shows a concerning lack of reasoning skills but hey, not even someone as super duper smart like me knows everything :P I HATE sweeping generalizations. When I talk about religion I talk about the religion itself and very definitely not all who follow it.
C) I strongly believe that religion is severely holding back society. I believe religion is the source of most of the hatred directed towards gays. I believe religion severely discourages rational thought. These are things I will openly and aggressively fight. To not fight for reason and equality would be to go against everything I am as a person.
@George Feeny, usmovers was offended by a Christian and thus lumps all of us together but that's not the case. I don't care about sexual orientation, or just about any other topic you may assume is stereotypical of me to care about. That's what I'm getting at, the majority of Christians are more laid back then people seem to think. Usmovers is prejudiced against religion and admits to trying to offend them because at some point usmovers had a bad experience with the crazy fringe group of Christians and has thus joined the crazy fringe group of atheist. I'm trying to say maybe usmovers should take a step back and see not all Christians are the same just like not all athirst are the same.
@Usmovers, I can live with that.
@Usmovers, I am of course not without fault. Being transgender and hopelessly single has left me very bitter. I do everything I can to make sure what I say is not impacted by such emotions. I do not always succeed.
@Usmovers, I do maintain that I don't believe religion is holding back society though not that I think people have to be religious to be good because there are plenty of good atheist and plenty of bad Christians but I think the idea that there is more to life than what's here now gives people something to look forward to something to maybe make death seem less frightening. I like my religion and think I am better for it you know? But I get your point and see you understand mine as well so I can live with it.
@Carl Jenkins , My point is, I wouldn't have had to say anything if he didn't try offending people like me
@ archiethesailor, you did nothing but add fuel to the fire, which was by no way necessary.
@Usmovers, wow looks like you are able to have a conversation 👍, now if your first comment was like this I would have defended you, but I'm sure you understand that now.
@Usmovers, I get that everyone has bad days and will post an angry or bitter comment. I know I do it just about anytime I post something within an hour of waking up when I'm mad at the world lol
@George Feeny, I also won't deny that religion has brought about much good such as art and community. I know I focus heavily on the bad but it makes me glad that 99/100 believers only follow the more positive teachings.
The eternal life part bothers me though. Why fix our problems here when eternal bliss awaits?
@Carl Jenkins , yeah I gotcha Carl ;) I frequently come in way too hot on these topics and need to be reminded to cool down. I'm working on that. :P
@Usmovers, I get what you're saying there and that could be an issue too people just waiting for perfection instead of striving to make things better
@Usmovers, I'm glad to hear that😄
@Carl Jenkins , I don't see any reason to show any respect to someone who insults the most important part of my life. Especially when the insults are as bad as the ones he made.
@ archiethesailor, so your answer is to insult back?
@Carl Jenkins , Let me put it another way. Let's take the most important part of your life, let's say it's your mother just for the sake of this hypothetical. She's a great mother, she's worked to make you happier than you would be without her, she's defended you when she could, things like that. Now let's say that you have a couple thousand brothers and sisters(I know it's not realistic, but just stay with me on this). There's a big, very outspoken portion of them that want you to disown your mother. Not only that, but they try to slander her. They come up with very, very misinformed reasons on why she's a bad person ( when it's very clear to you that she's not). Remember, there's a lot of them and they keep saying this kind of stuff whenever it has the slightest bit of relevance. First you try to ignore them, but they keep doing it, it wears down on your patience. I've run out on my word limit, I'll continue in another reply.
@ archiethesailor, I understand, you have every right to defend what's important, but insults and being offensive shouldn't be the correct response, it gets people no where and people get upset and butt hurt, at the end of the day we all just want to defend ourselves, just calm down next time and respond in a meaningful way that will actually get through to someone.
@Carl Jenkins , After they wear down on your patience, you try to avoid them, but wherever you go, you always see a couple of them and they always insult her and try to get you to disown her. So then you try to calmly, politely explain why they're wrong about her, try to explain why she's a good person, and try to explain her reasons for doing things they don't agree with. They don't listen, they keep on as they always have, but you keep trying anyways. Eventually, that'll wear down your patience even more. You begin to get a bit upset about their insults. Now let's say that there are a few who have done this many, many times to you. Maybe one of them is named usmovers, you've tried ignoring him, you've tried gently correcting him, you've tried correcting him less than gently, and eventually, you see that he won't ever listen. You've tried so many times to do this, that you give up and snap a bit. I've run out again, I'm almost done though.
@ archiethesailor, Now let's say that some random person comes along, sees that you just snapped and maybe assumes that that was your first option, that you snapped for something very minor. He tells you that you should give up on one of your favorite things to do because he doesn't understand why you've reacted the way you did. That's the situation that you two have put me in. I know you're trying to keep the peace, but you haven't seen me trying to calmly defend my religion. All you've seen is the worst of the ongoing argument that's taken place with several different people on several different sites and apps, ones that I did leave because I was tired of the arguing.
@ archiethesailor, the way you follow your religion is oppressive. YOU try to dictate what millions who are hurting no one can and can't do. You're either using your religion to justify your hate or you're blinded by your religion. I hope for your sake you're simply indoctrinated. That would mean there's still hope you can see the error in your belief.
@Usmovers, And there you go again, what happened to trying to be nicer? You've made a liar out of yourself already. And it's not oppression to tell someone not to do something bad.
@Usmovers, Also, there is no error in believing in facts.
@ archiethesailor, actually, there's a study recently released that suggests homophobia and homophobic tendencies are more connected with mental illness than homosexuality, since you keep bringing up homosexuality and calling it a perversion (in this and other comment sections). The lead researcher Dr. Emmanuele A. Jannini was quoted, “After discussing for centuries if homosexuality is to be considered a disease, for the first time we demonstrated that the real disease to be cured is homophobia, associated with potentially severe psychopathologies.” The study took place in Italy if you'd like to read it yourself. Obviously, it will need to be replicated with different sample sizes and cultures, but so far it's consistent with other research correlated within the same fields. Homosexuality isn't a perversion or an illness, and was removed from the DSM decades ago. Let's move forward and hang up that tired argument now.
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Imagine how downvoted this would get if it was a guy who didn't believe in gay marriage or transgender pronouns not being a dick by respecting other people's lifestyles.
@DumbledoreStyle, transgender pronouns? It's male or female I'm willing to go off what ever you want to be but I'm not going to cal someone an "it" or some other non inclusive term if they don't know whether they want to be male or female. If someone wants to flip back in forth I assume they really just want attention and so I just ignore them it's too much work to keep up with them.
@DumbledoreStyle, but in all honesty I couldn't care less about gay marriage. If someone wants to marry the same sex that's fine with me it's their lives to live how they want. But I'm super annoyed with all the anti gay and pro gay stuff. People on both sides of the issue are causing drama and carrying on for no reason even now. I mean the bill was passed get over it. Rant over
@DumbledoreStyle, the rants not pointed at you I just wanted to bring it up real quick rant and get over it lol.
Controll yourself Jimmy
A lot of people commenting here seem to have missed the point
ELE. Everybody love everybody!
Good job, bless you jimmy!
My grandfather said something very memorable. He said that if you are against something you should study all parts of it so you know what you are against. He said this as a joke, but in reality many religious problems are caused by a lack of knowledge. Really, if the militant atheists studied all religions, they'd realize not all religions are stupid or unreal or war hungry. If the religious learned about other religions (atheism included, as it is technically a religion, being it is a system of beliefs), some may realize not everyone needs to be in your religion. That is what I love about my religion (Judaism), we don't need to convert others. We learn others have their beliefs, and you have yours, you can discuss them, learn from them, but no need to fight over them.