Forget the news lady, this is straight savage
How do vegans celebrate Thanksgiving when they don't believe in real good?
@SquidwardTorteIIini, Wow I meant food. My chances of top comment have left the building.
@SquidwardTorteIIini, No, you were right the first time.
@SquidwardTorteIIini, ever heard of protein loaf?
@Wild Style, I just dropped a steaming "protein loaf" in the toilet.....which is the only place where anything with a name like that should be
@WelI Obviously, I've heard it's pretty good. But I've never had it.
@Wild Style, but that name tho
Celebrate it the same way everyone else does. With a complete disregard for any sort of religion and the fact that your parents only love you as much as they spend on you.
Same way I celebrate thanksgiving. Alone and eating a turkey with my bare hands
The question is legitimate. An atheist celebrating Christmas is a logical fallacy. Also do is an atheist celebrating valentines day, or by its correct name St Valentine's Day, or the Feast of St Valentine. They are both religious events.
@TheMonkeyGod, modern Christmas (at least in the US) has become more of an American thing than a Christian thing. Most of my extended family is Christian even though my immediately family is all atheist/agnostic, so we celebrate with them. For us, it's a time to celebrate family and friends, not the birth of Jesus
@TheMonkeyGod, same with halloween
@ernst, then call it something else. Festivus.
@TheMonkeyGod, well why celebrate Christmas if you aren't pagan? It's a pagan holiday after all.
@Jyu Viole Grace, yes
@Jyu Viole Grace, no it isn't. The name is the give away. It supplanted the pagan festival, mind you some of the symbols were kept.
@TheMonkeyGod, Both are, in the modern day, primarily consumer holidays.
@TheMonkeyGod, I thought Christmas originally had pagan roots
@Agent DickButt, the early church supplanted the mass of the Christ (Christmas) over the top of the pagan festival in an effort to stop it. Kind of worked. I see atheists celebrating Christmas as a little hypocritical and a lot lazy. "We reject your beliefs and everything about them... Except for the holidays and bits we like". Kind of what they abuse Christians about fir picking and choosing from the Bible, for pretty much the same reason, convenience.
@TheMonkeyGod, I don't see as lazy most atheists I'd say are raised in a christian home and are raised to celebrate those holidays so it'd be unnecessary to drop them off your calendar
@Agent DickButt, but it is a religious festival/holidays. Christian, pagan or otherwise. You don't see Buddhists celebrating Christmas. Nor Jewish people. Yet atheists, the apparently committed rejectors of all things faith based, celebrate it with gusto.
@TheMonkeyGod, that's because those religons have those set rules they've been following their whole life and nothing keeps atheists from celebrating a now commercial holiday unlike the consequence of something bad happening to you depending on your faith
@Agent DickButt, why not call it something else then that you're celebrating? Really using the line that it's now commercial etc means that atheists are sheep to corporates. I respect my atheist mate who celebrates Festivus every year. Has a family gathering etc. Does it his way and totally rejects the religious elements.
@Agent DickButt, should add, I'm not a Christian, but respect them enough that I think we should allow them to keep their Holy events and for those who claim to reject it should do just that.
@TheMonkeyGod, cause there's really no point to call it something else if no one would really care like just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I have to reject everything that's religious by that logic I should reject anything elf or Santa related because I believe he isn't real
@TheMonkeyGod, I understand that I do allow them to keep their holiday but me celebrating the holiday affects them in no way
@Agent DickButt, like I said, hypocritical. You pick the nuts you like and want to keep them. Life an alcoholic saying I'll give up drinking a little bit. I'll only drink beer. If you reject religion, then reject it.
@Agent DickButt, by assisting in the commercialization of the event your helping to profane it.
@TheMonkeyGod, whether I celebrated or not it'd still be commercialized
@TheMonkeyGod, basically me celebrating the holiday affects no one
@Agent DickButt, as an individual, but if atheists collectively wanted change, then the market would follow.
@TheMonkeyGod, I agree with that but there wouldn't really be a point in it, what would you want changed if you were to have that power
@Agent DickButt, the point would be allowing those of belief to stop having their party crashed and messed up by those who don't. Simply, it's about respect.
@Agent DickButt, and if I had the power, I'd make the atheists call it something else to differentiate what they are doing. To stop the blurring.
@TheMonkeyGod, I see but how is their party messed up by non believers?
@Agent DickButt, it's being profaned. Can't really mess up a religious event any worse than that.
@TheMonkeyGod, define profaned?
@Agent DickButt, at its most simple, profaning is the debasing of something sacred. Such as rubbing the communion cup on your genitals, spitting in the holy water, putting cheese on the holy wafer, and treating a sacred event as a secular one based around commerce. You know, basically removing the sacredness from something holy.
@Agent DickButt, i must say, I'm enjoying this discussion.
@TheMonkeyGod, I am too, but how would something as simple as atheist celebrating christmas amount to distracting the religion such as the examples you gave
@Agent DickButt, goes back to the commercialization of the event etc.
@TheMonkeyGod, I also enjoyed reading your comments. I don't celebrate any holidays because most come from a 'religious' background. I also feel that people expect too much from holidays. It's not a genuine feeling anymore.
@TheMonkeyGod, So I found this in the random but couldn't help but to throw my hat in. You claim to not be Christian but you're trying to speak on our behalf? I'm a Christian and we find no issue with people of other beliefs celebrating Christmas. I've seen Atheists and even people from other monotheistic religions celebrate it not as the birth if Christ, but as a time of peace and love and giving to those close to you. It means that to everyone, it simply means something extra to Christians. Christ's message was one of love, and as followers of his message we should accept others into the holiday as it means more than just the birth of Christ.
@TheRatMan, I'm glad you're okay with the debasement of your major festival. It brings me joy to know that Christians will stand by as their festival is sold to the highest bidder.
And just because I don't call myself a Christian, does not mean I don't respect and follow the teachings of the Christ.
Also I was saying that if atheists want to reject religion, then they must reject it all and not just the bits they don't like.
@TheMonkeyGod, So you're saying that instead of following the teachings of Christ that we should get angry that many others have chosen to participate and alienate ourselves by rejecting other people? That's the opposite of Christ's message. And if people are greedy and don't care about it beyond the money well then "The first will be the last and the last will be the first" we're taught to love and accept others, not reject and push away others that wish to join us in a celebration of peace and love.
@TheRatMan, you've missed a few of his teachings. Yes love people. But if they are profaning something sacred you're not meant to tolerate it.
@TheMonkeyGod, Nobody is profaning on Christmas by celebrating it with the morals of the holiday in mind. Sure, the greedy might be, but they're all going to be stuck in purgatory for a long damn time repenting for their committing the sun of greed.
@TheRatMan, pergatory is a creation of the Catholic church and has no biblical basis. And saying we are celebrating the day but not the reason by engaging in commercialism is profaning it.
Again the matter mostly was about atheists saying they reject beliefs but then want to keep the bits they like.
How do you celebrate Halloween when you look like that year round
@alright then, that's my secret, cap. I'm always celebrating halloween
He celebrates Christmas by being savage towards a-holes apparently.
You don't celebrate valentines day if you aren't in a relationship or like someone.
@Raki Zaki, yeah you do. The day is meant to be about love in all aspects. Originally towns would gather together to feast and join together in love of humanity. Sadly we lost that.
@TheMonkeyGod, normal people who aren't in a relationship don't celebrate it. I don't care what it used to be like, I was talking about current times.
@Raki Zaki, who wants to be normal? Terrible way to live. And isn't it better to celebrate something that encourages connection that something promoting loneliness?
@TheMonkeyGod, most people live normal, average lives. And there is nothing wrong with that. Telling people that being normal is terrible makes you seem pretentious. If someone is not exceptional, that is just fine. People don't need to be great to be happy. If a person is happy living a normal life then there's is nothing wrong with that.
@Raki Zaki, but what of the second part of my question? Ams most people ate not happy, but are content. Dangerous ground contentment.
Much like Christmas I celebrate Valentine's by watching Netflix alone at home crying into my bowl of discount candy.
By going to see dead pool
I...I don't though.... :(
Whenever I see coworker I think cow-worker and it makes my day just a little bit brighter
He's a sexual atheist