Old Testament God was pretty metal
@Gay Rattlesnake , it is. It really is. Canabolism and the book of job is depressing.
@Gay Rattlesnake , "It's just a phase."
@Gay Rattlesnake , as a religious studies minor, I approve of this comment!
@Gay Rattlesnake , Even the new testament has some hard core stuff in it.
@Gay Rattlesnake , #prettydarngoodcomments
@Gay Rattlesnake , #bestcomments2016
@Gay Rattlesnake , if you read closely, Jesus was pretty savage too. Not "I'm gonna kill sinners" savage, but witty and clever comebacks to the religious officials.
@Blackfrost273, although the book of Ruth is awesome and so is exodus
Or that time he ordered the death of all first born sons in Egypt, or that time he flooded the world, or a majority of the old testaments
@Athena Pallas, yea, the old testament was a bit crazy at times. That is why there is the new testament.
@umeni, that's why the writers realized they needed a better sell and re wrote it
@Athena Pallas, yeah I like the books a lot more after flashpoint, oh wait
@Can yew knot, hopefully they do the same with the new star wars movie...
@Athena Pallas, all the reason to not cross God. Besides the justification was to show His power to the jews, eradicate the wicked of the world, how many old testaments do you think exist? I mean seriously.
@Athena Pallas, or the time he almost made a dude murmur his own son
@Bobomojo, He told him to sacrifice his own son after He told Abram that he would have as many children as there are stars..
@Athena Pallas, or all the times He offered these people the chance to repent and turn to Him but was rejected. Each time He offered a way out. He always does. These passages are about the just judgment of God on people who were living in open rebellion against Him.
@Athena Pallas, I'm sorry but that was the pharaoh :/
@Han Trollo, no that was the big guy unless you had lambs blood on the door. The Pharoah ordered a death when it was said one of the children (Moses) was going to take his slaves from him.
@Beaverdd15, Adam and Eve. He made a tree, knowing they would eat from it, just to punish them for eternity. Either he is not benevolent, not real, or not omniscient. Whichever way you see it, the bible is disproven right there.
@Athena Pallas, or that time with the flood
@umeni, yes that's why they made up more stuff that doesn't make sense and contradict itself.
@Athena Pallas, I guess enslaving His children for hundreds of years with multiple chances to turn away from their wickedness was okay then? And the 120 years it took for Noah to built the ark and every single day they mocked him and God even gave them chances to turn away for 120 years. Also this commenter hypocritically made a false statement, when in fact he was the one who took it out of context. God did not devise a plan for two bears to kill children if people would actually read the Bible and not just take out a portion of Scripture for their own liking. I bet Noone in this whole comment section even knows what this chapter is even about.
@Cpzombie, No, He gave them free will. He put the tree there to give them a choice to either obey Him or go their own way. They had to have a choice or they would be robots. He knew that their choice would require Him to sacrifice Himself, in the person of Jesus, to provide a pathway for redemption for all who accept His unfailing love. He had a plan by which all people of the earth would be redeemed.
@Beaverdd15, omniscience means that he knew exactly what would happen. Free will and omniscience can't coexist.
@Athena Pallas, the big difference in all of these references is punishment for sin vs extinguishing an innocent life that is sinless because it hasn't yet been born.
@Cpzombie, No, it can and it does. Simply because God knew of Adam and Eve's choice does not mean He influences the choice. They both could have chosen the other option.
@Beaverdd15, he made them just to punish them. Omniscience means he knows EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN, AND HOW TO CHANGE IT. He could've had them not eat it, whilst not affecting free will. That's what omniscience is.
@Cpzombie, no, forcing them to do as you want is omnipotence. Not omniscience. What occurred in that instance of the bible is very similar to how my students do when I'm not in class. I leave them work, and instruct them not to cheat. I know that when I return many of them have chosen to cheat. I knew what would happen, but the blame for breaking the rules lies squarely on the shoulders of the students who chose to cheat. All that being said, as the night has worn on, I can tell nothing I say can change your mind on how you believe. Only God can do that. I can only hope that one day you know that there is a God who loves you unconditionally and you seek out a personal relationship with Him.
@Athena Pallas, I was actually talking about the first one where Moses had to be hidden in a basket
@Beaverdd15, The act of an action is in fact an action. God murders babies every day. He may have given us free will but he chooses not to save them. That makes them responsible for their death. What about all the children that die from diseases. Trying to play off things by saying we have free will, or that that's how God made the world. Without contemplating that you just said yourself that he's the one who created things the way they are which make him responsible for The outcome of everything. So again I say the act of inaction is in fact an action.
@RogueKnight, so what about all the unborn children that were killed in the flood there and the times of Noah?
@Athena Pallas, because unborn fetuses have so many sins to repent for.
@Beaverdd15, The difference between you leaving the room and your students cheating. And God creating everything including the very thing that they shouldn't touch as opposed to not creating that thing to begin with thus removing the chance of cheating are two entirely different things. That would mean that God created something just to see if Adam and Eve would listen. Since he knew what the outcome would be. He must've just been testing his own omnipotence.
@Blackfrost273, sorry. Navigating the religion in my funny. Must've hit reply.
@Cpzombie, i should probably stay out of this, but isn't that what he did? He kinda told them not to, instead of throwing them in there. Listen, I'm not the smartest, and i should probably shut up, but i just kinda felt the need
@Seohn, why would he give us a perfect world? I've said it once, I'm not very smart, but what would your dad do if you didn't do what he told you? he wouldn't give you a cookie and continue on. Everyone does bad, and all the bad could be his version of a spanking. At the point of the unborn children, do you think they would have been any better? They would have grown up the way their parents did, and been just as bad.
@Beaverdd15, proud of you for standing up. I made a similar reply myself earlier about how the bottom commenter took this scripture and completely misinterpreted and misquoted it. Some people just don't understand that God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours, and that He loves us even the people that would never accept Him. Keep the faith praying for you
@tmo0792, ah yes, torturing people for eternity is so loving
@Cpzombie, I guess we don't pay for our actions on earth then? I guess when we commit a crime there is no punishment? God has provided a very simple and easy way so that we don't (key word we not Him, due to the fact our own sins reap punishment ) have to suffer.
@Seohn, so God not stopping people from killing babies means God is wrong and a murderer too? If God prevented the action then God would be stopping our free will and that goes for anything wrong that people ever do. God isn't doing nothing, God wrote in the Bible as well as placed in human hearts that murder is wrong, people just go against it. Also the Bible teaches that babies and small children who die go to Heaven because they never had to opportunity or choice to accept Christ. David pleaded with God to spare his baby but the baby dies. When asked why he wasn't mad he says he will see the baby in heaven one day.
Just because you know whats going to happen doesnt mean you control it, think of it like blue guy from Watchmen
@Seohn, Adam and Eve Eve is more more symbolic, dont take it literally
@Factory BOY, if you are omniscient, then you know how to change it. OMNISCIENT. ALL KNOWING. ALL.
Just because the ability to change exists doesnt mean its in use
@Factory BOY, so he is not benevolent?
Donno, only one way to find out
@Cpzombie, Dude. Adam and Eve were incapable of having children in the state they were in. They had to fall so that the world could be repopulated. You know how you tell little children to "NEVER ever cross the street by themselves?" Same deal here. They weren't ready to receive the knowledge, but they had to, in order to keep their first commandment, to multiply and replenish the earth. They weren't punished for eternity. They simply had to work for what they got from then on. I think catholics believe that all men are punished for Adams transgression, but I'm not catholic. My religion teaches that men are punished for their own sins, NOT Adams transgression. Babies go to heaven, but people should let them experience what it's like to live and love.
@Pyvin, what about Ebola then? Is that the act of a loving god, creating a disease that makes you die a horrible slow death?
@Cpzombie, I dunno. There's probably a reason for it, but I don't know it. I'm not an omniscient being and neither are you. Someone is ignorant if they think they know all the workings of the earth.
@Pyvin, because it makes no sense. Try using logic.
@Cpzombie, to us.
@Pyvin, no it just doesn't make sense. Not "to us". It just...doesn't...makes sense period no matter who you are. There is no logical reason to believe in a creator other than you're afraid of death and can't handle the reality of nothing.
@Usmovers, You just have fun with your beliefs, and I'll have fun with mine. I was merely talking to zombie there cuz he didn't seem to understand the story of Adam and Eve. If I wanted to argue further, I'd have stated so.
@Pyvin, I hope you eventually start thinking with logic.
@Pyvin, I would leave religion alone if it wasn't so damaging
Well the translation kind of massaged it. In the original language it was understood that they were teenagers that were the threatening him as well as taunting him.
@Hotchkiz, definitely justification for bear murder
@Hotchkiz, also, his bald head was an open sign of mourning, which the young adult men knew to be the case.
@Vesrox, when a human tries to tell God he is not just in his actions
@Sassy Rick Grimes, when there's no evidence a god exists or that most of the events of the bible happened. So considering it's just a story, I'd say it's ok for people to say the character wasn't just in his actions.
Or destroyed an entire city for not believing in him
@Scottles, Him* you want to use a diety's name or reference one then you need to capitalize the name/pronoun.
@Blackfrost273, like with Zues
@The Doctor Horrible, yes
@The Doctor Horrible, or as with Athena. Deity is male or female. (Since I need to be supportive of what you choose to believe in. I choose the Scripture and God)
@Scottles, don't wanna start an argument, but you have that out of context. Do your research before making such bold claims
@Kenalk, yeah I know there was more to it than that, but it is a long story and I was not going to type it all out
@Scottles, I mean if I was internet famous on the scale of God I would destroy cities who didn't value my popularity, so I can see where the deity is coming from
@Scottles, I assume you mean Sodom. Which God said if there were 10 righteous people in Sodom he would spare the entire city. There was only one righteous family that was spared. So yeah. Not even 10 righteous
@Blackfrost273, one: it's a pronoun so no you don't capitalize it unless your speaking a romantic language, two: him isn't it's name, three: god is just another name for deity so you technically don't have to capitalize it anyway since when you say "God" it's the same as saying "the god", (4: he doesn't exist)
@Blackfrost273, Is that an actual grammatical rule? Because I don't believe it is. What makes a god's name any more of a proper noun that mine? The only pronoun that gets capitalized is, "I," my friend.
@Corycogo5737, it is a grammatical rule. Pharaoh was capitalized and every time in the Bible there is a reference to Jesus Christ and God and the Holy Spirit the pronoun is capitalized. Any translation that does not do this is attempting to stay with the times or something I am unaware of. My schools (i had a different one almost every year) taught me this, my family taught me this and i have seen this in most places on the internet. It is considered correct when referring to "the one God" King of kings, Lord of lords to capitalize His reference. Also, you can google it
@Blackfrost273, but nobody cares about the bible's rules.
@Blackfrost273, You have lots of downvotes, but you are correct, so have an upvote.
Just because he has a plan for us doesn't mean we have to follow it, that's what free will is for and so therefore whomever is getting the abortion is using their free will to prevent another person from even getting to choose to follow God's plan or not
@Awc123awc, God let's children and babies suffer and die from diseases every day. Yet he could save them. The act of inaction is in itself an action. When you choose to do nothing you can prevent you become the reason for the outcome.
@Seohn, but of he did that wouldn't that break his promise of free will? If he fixed all the problems in this world, we wouldn't have free will, we would be robots. He gives is the option to obey him, so even in death we find salvation, right? So those kids who have died calling to God are still taken care of. Now I don't want this to be an argument, just a simple discussion.
Tell me something, is free will all it's cracked up to be when we have people roasting, beheading, and genociding people? Let that question sink into your brain. Regardless, God could intervene and heal disease without affecting free will, unless we are assuming viruses are sentient. You could say that if God eliminated disease he would indirectly be affecting free will, but I'm not sure how you could say that a free will world is better than a disease free one. If he stops a person from committing an evil action, he is certainly temporarily limiting free will, or at least redefining it, but would you not prefer a world where God limited the worst possible of evil through force than a one of all possible actions? Or are we just assuming to maximize happiness we also need to maximize suffering? If you really evaluate free will in the Bible you realize God actually doesn't even follow our ideas about its definition, he just arbitrarily intervenes when he wants to.
@averagestuckpixluser, thank you for responding to me in a civil manner.
First things first I'm the realist*I'm soo sorry*
To start off, is free will really better than a world without it? I wouldn't think so, as a guy who battled cancer in his young ages and deals with depression now, I wish there was no disease at all. Even so God created humanity, with what purpose, I don't know, maybe to satisfy himself with a creation in which he governs. One of the things he gave us was the ability to create our own thoughts, our own ideas, free will. Now with this free will we could do things for ourselves, but as seen consequences came with bad actions, such as eating the fruit that God forbid them from eating. Now it was in fact that because of this sin entered our heart's and forever tainted our heart's. Now we have two options in life, to live life following his rules, or not following his rules, that is our free will. God then gives is peace in death or whatever people believe in....
@averagestuckpixluser, as you can see ridding disease from the world doesn't go against free will. He did it for Jobe, why can't he do it for the rest of us? Well Christian's believe he gives salvation to his followers through death. Heaven in other words, living life is simply a test as to whether you our faithful to him or not. Now while people do suffer, as long as they follow God's will they will find salvation in death( I don't believe this by the way). That is why he doesn't interfere, and yes kids suffer, but I have heard some religious people say that God also looks for the good in a persons heart to decide if they will have salvation or not. Of course this will be hard for you to grasp, you at not religious and have no faith in a god( at least I don't think you do). And that is okay, excuse me of things didn't make much sense, English isn't my first language. Now with that out the way, fvck all of this, this is the type of sh!t you see on ifunny.
@TotalBull, believing things without proof is not a virtue.
@Cpzombie, if my friend told me he fvcked a bitch, I'm not going to ask for proof, I'm going to put trust in him to not lie to me. Its all about faith.
@TotalBull, religion teaches faith as a virtue because if you use logic, you realize how much bullshjt it is.
@Cpzombie, well if I teach my son to do the right thing, I out faith in him to not do things I don't think is good for him. People can and should have faith, whether it is in religion or not. I use logic to decide on a lot of things, believe or not before I was religious I was an athiest, I believed religion would be the destruction of the world, and then I learned to stop thinking like a child and under stand that with or with out religion this world would be no different. If you are not religious that is good for you, you keep doing you and I will keep doing me, but as far as I'm concerned you're comments don't hold logic. Did you really use logic to come with the thought that religion is the cause of world problems, or did you find a bunch of people on the internet who thought the same as you and come with the conclusion that you are right and everyone is wrong? I think you should start looking from the middle ground and come to an understanding on both sides.
@TotalBull, I don't understand, how can you go from athiest to Christian?
@Cpzombie, and you will probably never understand, situations like mine are based on personal situations and coming to my own understanding, because it is unique to me you probably won't understand,and that is fine. We are not meant to understand everything about a person right. And just to let you know I don't have these discussions to change minds, I simply like to learn new things, your stance on religion does hold truth to it, I just disagree with it as you do with me.
I often wonder whether I am doing a disservice to people when I try to explain to them why I am an atheist. They don't seem to change their views, yet I do seem to cause them to question themselves, if not to be visibly disturbed. I understand what religion brings to the majority of people, some sort of hope that this world is not all there is, and I sympathize. However, I refuse to delude myself just to make myself feel better. If God created this world simply to test our loyalty to him in the face of insufficient evidence, then he is a very cruel God indeed. Ask yourself if the world is the same with or without religion, why do we need it? I don't mean to be upsetting to anyone, but these seem to me to be unforgivable faults in a God that we are supposed to like, to worship, much less that there is no evidence for his existence in the first place. God may not always be there for you as a believer, but people always will be, even if it's just one friend.
@averagestuckpixluser, I understand you clearly, but you must understand, just because you don't need it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. You do not need to be religious, neither do I. But I choose to be, why? Because it fits for me, it makes me feel better as a person. Now that being said we as people have the right to come to our own conclusions and thoughts on this world. As long as it is not infringing on other people's rights as human beings, why does it matter, you try and get people to follow your ideals so you can feel better about yourself? I don't know why people can't just let people be people, I have friends who despise religion, and we all hang out and play games together, and sometimes have heated discussions but we all have a great time together. Why can't we have that on this app, after so many years of using it, it feels like it is ever so slightly becoming ifunny*shudders* now I have no reason to tell my friends to get this over ifunny. This saddens me a lot.
I agree 100 percent, but we do have to stress the idea of not infringing on the rights of others. There are of course many atheists who say religion is always inherently dangerous, as they see it as a blatant disregard for reason. I don't agree(look at the religion of the Jains) but we need to still criticize the bad parts of any religion. This for Christians would refer more to the Old Testament. In any case, I think we can agree on the freedom of belief of the individual, and I hope I dont sound too combative with my opinions. I am in many ways an anti theist, as well as an atheist, but even if I don't agree or respect your religious beliefs, I can agree and respect your rights to believe them, and agree and respect you as an individual, with whom I may likely agree with on many others things, if not religion. I hope that we can separate the line between criticizing ideas vs criticizing people, even if it is difficult when it comes to a person's faith.
@averagestuckpixluser, yes a thousand times, you.. I like you. That being said where the hell are my dank memes, stuckpixel is slacking.
@TotalBull, unique to you means something that cannot be replicated or reproduced. Such experiences should be disregarded as they are extremely fallible.
@Usmovers, people find God in there own way, as I did. I doubt any would have gone through my circumstances and "found God". Every experience is unique to every individual, and always comes with different outcomes. I also wouldn't share this experience as it is extremely personal, you know as in none of your business.
@TotalBull, so you chose to disregard logic to make yourself feel better?
@Cpzombie, yes, an I'm not bothering a single person in the world, how? Because I keep it to my self.
@TotalBull, that's just sad. You know it's bullshjt, and yet you still choose to delude yourself
@Cpzombie, first I don't think it's bullshjt. Second you can call it sad all you want, but I am currently living in my happiest times, despite dealing with depression.
@TotalBull, exactly, it's sad. You have to be seriously depressed to delude yourself so much.
@Cpzombie, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if that's how you feel about my life, there's nothing else I can tell you.
@TotalBull, well, good luck with that
@Cpzombie, good luck with your life as well fellow human.
Or that time he turned a girl into salt for looking behind her
@Vesrox, to be fair, he does tell everyone not to. Every time. He told her not to. She wasn't the only one running, but the only one who looked back, and the only one turned into salt.
@Simetricwl , that's still not exactly fair. Don't forget the time he was sending plagues onto Egyptians because pharaoh wouldn't let the jews go, but at the same time was hardening pharaoh's heart so he wouldn't let them go.
@Vesrox, that one's a good point. I've always said it was him showing his power, to show it really was God. He's pretty metal to be honest. I don't believe in a "good" God, the God I believe in is harsh. He made a difference and he showed it was him, but a lot of people still didn't believe. So was it enough even?
@Simetricwl , I'm pretty sure there are other ways of showing power other than plauge and murder. But as you said, a harsh god. In the story it would make sense for people not to be convinced it was a god anyway. When you're raised and indoctrinated into a religion you're not going to willingly give it up. Just look at people who still believe in creationism.
@Vesrox, it doesn't make sense. But that's sort of the point of the story. I don't know how some of it happened, but it did. I don't know why. But i do know that it did. They found the Red Sea had been parted, and that the Egyptians were at the bottom. If the aftermath is there, I would think the part before it is real too.
@Simetricwl , um...no, it didn't happen. There's no evidence whatsoever that it did. Egyptians never wrote about it (they wrote down pretty much everything). Also the report of chariot's being found at the bottom of the red sea was a fake news story. It originated from a fake news site similar to the onion. Sorry to tell you, but almost nothing in your bible actually happened.
@Vesrox, and there's supposed to be proof for everythong? Because there's not.
@Simetricwl , well yeah, but it's illogical to believe in something there's no evidence for. It's very illogical to believe in something that evidence contradicts.
@Vesrox, like all the actual science they shouldn't have known back then? In a time where the world was flat, and sat on the back of a large animal (and yes, i know it was never actually flat) , the bible actually said it was round, it hung on nothing, and space was infinite, where most thought the sky was a dome. A few things are pinpointed in the bible, and there isn't a any explanation as to how they knew what they did. There's a few unexplained things in there, but are correct. There's evidence in the book, and that's the root of our conversation. You say the books fiction. I say its not. There's no real reason to keep this up, considering most arguments on the subject are pretty circular.
@Simetricwl , only circular arguments I've seen are those of people who believe the bible is true. I have never seen a part of the bible where it says the Earth is round and that space is infinite, I save seen where it says there's a dome over the Earth with water above it (could the bible possibly contradict itself?!). Anyway that's are ways they could've known the Earth was round. People started proposing that it was around 500 BCE. As for other science they knew back then, why shouldn't they have been able to know it? They didn't know why things happened but they knew that they did.
@Simetricwl , also what do you mean "there's evidence in the book"? Do you mean for god or that the events happened? Because if a book is all the evidence you need to believe something I guess you also believe in Cthulhu, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and Dracula.
@Vesrox, job 26:7 is the hangs it on nothing part, isaiah 40:22, is the other two. He sits above the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH,...and stretches the heavens like a curtain. We know the universe is still expanding. It's stretching.
@Vesrox, they shouldn't know what atoms or cells are, but Hebrews 11:3 says that everything is made of things not seen. Just a few things they really shouldn't have been able to find out on their own like we have now
@Vesrox, well, if you'll keep reading, i said you believe it false and i don't. I didn't say I believe in all books, but i do this one. There's evidence in a book I believe true, not evidence in any book
@Vesrox, i mean that since I believe that book is true, then i believe what happened in it.
@Simetricwl , this is the problem with bible believers. You do not understand, fundamentally, what evidence is.
Evidence is physical proof, verified from more than one source, that can be corroborated.
The Bible, you people say, is evidence of itself. That is a circular argument that fails to understand itself. It's like saying "a sunrise is proof of God because how can something so beautiful happen by accident", which completely ignores the science behind a sunrise, the science behind why we find the colours aesthetic, and completely ignores math and physics.
The Bible is NOT proof until the day comes that it can be verified by an outside source. God or an angel would have to come out of the heavens and be like "yeah, that's true." Or we would have to find supporting evidence on Earth. And there's none. Lots of contradicting evidence, too.
@Simetricwl , the magic napkin is magical, the magic napkin says so.
@Cpzombie, lol. You guys are oversimplifying it, but its pretty close yea. I'm not saying it's a little hard to believe, but i do. Not sure if this comment is serious or not. But whatever. Anyways. This horse is long dead, and I'm not smart enough to argue with people. Don't mean to sound mean or anything.
Excuse me! Waiter! There's religion in my funny pics!
@ArcticSniper12, some of us find religion funny. Well that's what religion itself as the logic of some of its followers.
@Seohn, lots of religions are hilarious, especially that people actually believe them
@Seohn, the bible is one of my favorite fairy tales, because to me someone believing in something as silly as what's written in the bible, is like someone believing in the bedtime tales that our parents used to read to us
Religion is so creepy.
@JakobJeanCiccone, I wouldn't say religion the bible tho- best book on the planet all with true stories !
Or the time he literally drowned every person on earth except Noah
@Kside5, and his family, yes. 8 people, not one.
@Simetricwl , That would have killed off everybody! :P
Before anyone freaks out. I am a Christian and I gotta admit this is correct. People only want to view the loving God but he is more than that. He is also a jealous God and a militant God. He leads the heavenly host. I'm just saying don't freak out and start a flame war it's not insulting God it's insulting that person.
@George Feeny, well....God will never and never has murdered. Difference between murder and killing.
@Blackfrost273, no...in the bible he definitely murders people. A lot of people.
@Vesrox, do you know what it means to murder?
@Blackfrost273, "the crime of deliberately killing a person" -Mirriam Webster dictionary.
@Vesrox, close. kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation.
"somebody tried to murder Joe"
Are judges, jurors, lawpeople when fired upon, veterans and active military on mission to guard and protect lives of others, women who are reacting to save themselves from being raped accidentally killing their attackers "murdering"? They are killing with righteous cause, murder is killing a person or innocent without just cause. Thats why homicide is incidental or intentional murder yet to be determined and self defense are separate.
@Vesrox, btw i googled for my answer which was also close to correct or politically correct.
@Blackfrost273, well by your definition of killing someone who is innocent without just cause he still murders people. First born of Egypt for example.
@Vesrox, that is a great point. My rebuttal is weak i suspect, God needed to show His power to the jews and let them know He is God. Thus the ten plagues yes? Its been about a year since i read the story myself. I elected to deal with other things than trying to read the bible in a year.
@Blackfrost273, I'm actually listening to a bible study YouTube series that's pretty decent so listened to exodus about a week ago. If I remember correctly the plague's were just on the Egyptians to convince pharaoh to let the jews go (even though at the same time he was hardening pharaoh's heart so he wouldn't let them go). Anyway he's not a very convincing god if he has to repeatedly show his power to people. That's actually a kinda funny bible story where Moses goes up a mountain to talk with god and all the jews suddenly make up new gods and start worshipping them.
@Vesrox, hhmm. It is hilarious to me they make a golden calf because they are scared of the lightening and thunder on the mount near by. I agree.
@Blackfrost273, God's murder is always first-degree murder
@correction, because he always has a plan
@Blackfrost273, The act of inaction is in itself and action. If you can save someone from dying but you choose not to. You become responsible for the outcome. Regardless of how much you want to deny that you are responsible this. It still does not change this fact. You chose to do nothing, there for, you let it happen. Since God has the power to save suffering children and babies yet chooses not to.
A lot of you must not of ever watch the movie Boondock Saints.
@Blackfrost273, true murder is different then killing I was talking about the whole killing thing. Basically my point is to tell people it's not an insult to religion so they don't got to get angry and rage and hopefully those who are against religion won't feel the need to rage against religion. Basically i just don't want people jumping on to their high horses and telling others they are wrong or idiots for their belief or lack there of.
@George Feeny, basically let me clear up my argument. Yes God has killed he is not a murder obviously but he has killed those who stand against him. God and Jesus are the same and different. God is the loving father but like all fathers he will do anything to protect his children and Jesus is the loving savior. I'm just saying don't waste your time arguing for or against this pic it's not an insult to religion it's just two peoples discussion. Don't get offended and don't use this as an excuses to insult people's religions of you're not religious.
@Seohn, I've seen you say this a few times. It's a valid point. But is there a reason for him to intervene at this point? When you dig down to it, we have ignored, ridiculed, and disbelieved him at every turn. Why would he step in and save l someone who would end up doing the very opposite of what he told them to do? I think I said it earlier, but if your dad tells you not to do something and you do it, would get reward you? No, you get punised.
@George Feeny, @gleggus Maximus, I get the feeling you have very strong feelings against religion seeing as you're going through and upvote every comment against religion and downvoting any that say anything positive even mine where I said to not over react and rant and rave for or against religion. I guess I was being to pro religion for you there? Well it's cool just say what you feel don't just be a downvote troll. Just because someone has differing views then you doesn't mean they are bad you just got to express yourself and talk to find out that your prejudices aren't always valid.
@George Feeny, religion stops progress.
@George Feeny, it also says in acts 2:38 that the only way to be saved is to be baptized in the name of Jesus and to get filled with the Holy Ghost with evidence in speaking in tongues, if you're a Christian and you haven't done those to things find a church that will baptize you . The end
Man, people get really angry at each other over Christianity. Those who believe in it and those who don't get all angry at each other. Like, do we have to be so violent about it? I see so many downvotes on people over such a trifle. Just do you, don't gotta antagonize each other.
@dirtycoathanger, because religion is bad. Heard of the Salem witch trials?
@Cpzombie, religion isnt bad. It has influenced huge realms of art. It's got good and bad pieces to it.
@dirtycoathanger, it has no reason to exist anymore though. It stops advances in science.
@Cpzombie, it has due to closed minds. I think people just don't fully understand God and had the wrong idea. I think science is a helpful tool to discover what people should believe in when it comes to their religion. Einstein said, "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." It makes me think we can believe in what we want, but science helps us discover new things that we are wrong about before and have to accept into our religions. Religions are widely held beliefs that can unite a population so it can't be simply be done away with. It's got important aspects even though you may not use religion as nothing more than a trivial example to show how close minded the human race can be. It's important beliefs that people believe in.
@Cpzombie, that's a principle of communism. Not that that's a bad thing just pointing it out.
@Nickson, and hitler was catholic, I don't see your point.
@dirtycoathanger, at this level, science pretty much disproves most religions.
@Cpzombie, science has been wrong before and reformatted it's theories to be right. Religious practices can't reformat themselves to be right?
@dirtycoathanger, religion teaches to not use logic, but accept things on faith alone. That is not conductive to scientific progress.
@Cpzombie, is it so wrong to have faith? Religion can accept facts that science gives and still believe in their faith. Some people are just extremely close minded
@dirtycoathanger, most religions are pretty much disproved if you actually think about them, so obviously that doesn't work
And people are murdered all the time. If theirs a plan for that then the plan was murder. Didn't even have to touch the bible lol
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@Octavian Soup, WoooOoOoOOOOOO YAYAYAYAYa
Or the time he put a believer through hell to win a bet
@abelgray, He did not place anyone through hell...He allowed satan to test his follower but not take his life. To show his faith to the Lord.
@Blackfrost273, im largely paraphrasing as to not list the entire book of Job, but i do understand and I will work on my phrasing in the future
@abelgray, I hate the story of Job. It contradicts so many other stories, and it shows a side of God that I don't want to believe in. And people call me a false Christian because I don't want to follow the Bible too strictly. Not that I believe any of the stories *actually* happened.
@Corycogo5737, whether you believe or not really shouldnt be the question. Hear me out a second, the Bible is here to teach us what and who God is. Old testament is for us to see what it is like to be without God's help. The orthodox jewish ways are near impossible to up keep. The new testament is erasing all of the old "rules". I think you know this so sorry for redundancies. There are parts i dont know if i understand them enough to believe them. But I know a few things that do work. God is always there, God always has a way (eventhough I hate the way to go...), God always keeps His word, and God is always righteous. Look at Exodus..He said,"my name is Jealous, for I am a jealous God" its there and real regardless if you want to believe it. People want to say all kinds of things about the Bible but the facts are; God will judge you regardless is you believe Him or not. There is not any partial believing acceptable to get into heaven. Talk about this. With your church/other churches:)
@Corycogo5737, you don't get to pick and choose what parts you believe in. You're either all in or all out. I believe you're familiar with what happens to lukewarm believera
@Sassy Rick Grimes, Actually, I believe I can pick and choose whatever I like. What makes my own personal interpretation of the religion any different than the numerous branches of Christianity? The Bible is nothing like what it used to be, mitt suffered so many mis translations, things such as that, and it hardly matters now. And what about all of the forgotten books? The ones that didn't go into the Bible? The people putting it together certainly picked and chose.
@Corycogo5737, but if it's in the bible, it's God inspired, and real. The different branches are on little interpretations, not whether or not the bears got sent. They did. Revelation talks about lukewarm believers you know.
@Simetricwl , No disrespect, but I got myself into a huge comment religion war just now, so I'm just gonna stop replying to comments, even if they aren't inflammatory or anything. So ye.
@Corycogo5737, haha. I was getting serious, i needed a break.
@Blackfrost273, do you actually believe what you're saying?
This is why the Bible is bullshït.
No apologies. 100% serious.
Bring it on, bible thumpers. I'm ready for you.
@I Are Lebo, go on Tumblr and say that and I will join you on the battlefield brpther
@Cuntmuncher, I totally would, but I really don't think it would be worth the effort.
@Cuntmuncher, I mean the whole thing is pointless. You can't beat insanity with reason.
@I Are Lebo, I don't think anybody takes you seriously with that hat on.
@I Are Lebo, dude come on. What good does it do you to try and belittle others. I know we have talked in the past and both agreed on tolerance for people sexual orientation, gender and race. Why can't you be tolerant of people's religion?
@George Feeny, thank you for some common sense
@George Feeny, you make me happy
@I Are Lebo, this isn't tumblr.
@I Are Lebo, also I like how people are so up in there high chair saying we all have to be tolerant, yet when religion is through in the mix they get belittled and called idiots and trash, same goes for religious people not being tolerant. I smell hypocrisy in the air.
@George Feeny, because look at all the death and suffering religion has caused, and still causes sometimes.
@TotalBull, a world without religion would be a much better place
@Cpzombie, you are sounding ignorant, you talk as of atheist have never caused mass genocide or have killed a lot of people. A world without religion is a world with people, and a world with people will always have conflict. When ideals clash, there will always be conflict, it doesn't have to be a religious ideal.
@Cpzombie, ok I hunk I'm starting to understand you. You enjoy arguments. That's fine but I don't particularly care for online arguments. I say religion has a positive impact on people although just because someone's not religious it doesn't mean they can't be a good person and likewise just because a persons religious it in no way means they are a good person. Any issue you have with religion is between you and people willing to play along with an argument. I'm happy to live and let live.
@Cpzombie, although I will say from what I know about lebo they're usually a pretty rational person and I highly doubt they view you agreeing with their viewpoint as a positive. I'm assuming once they see you agree with them they will realize they over reacted.
@TotalBull, well said! People go to war for reasons from resources to land to minute physical differences. In no way will the world be better without religion they will just find other things to argue about. The world WOULD be better though without those people that try and start issues or blame groups of people for all the things wrong with the world. Many if not all of the worlds most severe issues come from people who decide to place all their blame on a person or group of people. It would be a great place if people were willing to accept others although I don't expect people to tolerate people with annoying personalities lol that's a great reason to dislike someone.
@Cpzombie, as a person who believes in God and the bible, I agree that religion is one of the worst things to happen to man, I even say religion is made by Satan. God never wanted religion. Man-made religion is about what people can do for God. In truth, the Bible is about what God has already done for man and the personal relationship God wants with the individual. The Bible teaches man can do nothing for themselves, and this is why religion is awful. Religion makes people believe they need to do all these things from needing to be baptized as Christians to killing infidels as Islam. The Bible teaches the dying thief on the cross went to heaven and he never one day went to church, got baptized, or anything. I go to an independent church where the pastor teaches directly from the bible and we all have our own bibles and follow along. We dont follow religious heads or movements, that's what I believe God wanted.
@TotalBull, reading, knowing and understanding the Bible is important. If our pastor one day loses his mind and says we need to go kill people for God, we would all reject him because we can disprove what he said with what the Bible says. This is what is wrong with religion. All these people around the world believe in false teaching of people who say w/e in the name of God and people follow. I think the biggest reason it was called the dark ages was the Catholic priest were the only ones with Bibles and people were discouraged from reading the truth themselves. The Renaissance started with Martin Luther and the Protestants who encouraged people to read the Bible. It went even further with the invention of the printing press. The first book ever printed was the Bible.
@George Feeny, oh you're totally right. My post was me being an asshole. I'm the first one to admit it.
And I stand by my statement. The Bible is fictional. That doesn't make it worthless or useless, and I wouldn't go so far as to call it evil or anything. But I reiterate. It's fiction. There are so many people who are incapable of seeing that. I had an argument recently with the silver shroud on here and it's frustrating to me to see intelligent people embrace ignorance and idiocy.
The Bible is a source of morals (some of which aren't such good morals), it's not a historical chronicle.
@DoctaLlama, You should look into Mormonism. It sounds pretty similar to what you're saying. We're taught that we're all children of God and have that divine potential to become like him. I dunno. Your church seems like a good one.
@TotalBull, absolutely. It is totally hypocritical of me to point out the obvious fallacies and lies in the made up stories that so many people think are literal truths.
No but seriously I do see the hypocrisy. I was being a jerk because I'm kind of fed up with so many people embracing ignorance by being bible literalists.
@DoctaLlama, YES! THANK YOU!!! Finally someone understands the fatal flaw in religion! The idea that you shouldn't think for yourself is abhorrent and DIRECTLY responsible for a majority of the evil in this world.
Religion leads to good people doing evil things. EVERY crime committed against a homosexual (and it is downright sickening how much of it there is) is DIRECTLY the result of the Bible or another religious document. That's why nobody can actually defend their disliking or hatred of gay people. All the have to go on is "the bible says it's wrong".
If more people would think for themselves and stop doing what their religious leaders preach, the world WOULD be a better place. Because with God in the picture, we are not responsible for our own actions. And it's stupid that all of our focus is on the next life, which we have zero proof of, instead of this one, which is all around us.
And for the record, the Bible is proof of NOTHING. It is unverified, it's true origins hidden.
@snaaake, what's wrong with my hat? I love my hat. Took me ages to find one like it.
@I Are Lebo, So I work with this guy who is an atheist, hates religion and makes jokes at me whenever he gets the opportunity to. Great guy. He also has a problem with homosexuals and calls it completely unnatural. I'm just letting you know you and others need to get out of that mindset of *lets blame something for our problems*. Its like watching Fox news whenever a school shooting happens they blame gun control laws or violent video games. There is this great atheist youtuber, his fir91st name is Stefan, I can't remember his last name. Very good philosopher, who understands the importance of religion, and why people worship God's, yet he doesn't blame all world problems on them. Like I have said before whether you hate there ignorance or not, you are still a hypocrite. If you want to hate on religion and call religious people idiots, fine. But of you tell someone who hates gays to be tolerant, you can stick your hand up your a$$ because you are in fact being ignorant.
@DoctaLlama, your religion sounds a lot like Jehovah's Witnesses. Anyways I'm glad you found something that comforts you.
@TotalBull, wait, really? An atheist who is homophobic? I'm honestly shocked.
I mean, I shouldn't be. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on ignorance. But homosexuality is completely natural. It's prevalent in every mammalian species on Earth. I'm under the impression it's for population control, but the whys of it don't really matter.
I'm not blaming religion for all the worlds problems, I'm not an idiot. Without religion we still wouldn't have world peace, humans are assholes by nature.
And for the record, I'm not calling all religious people idiots. The ones who recognize the Bible is a source for morals and better living and not a history book are almost universally good people. Heck, even a lot of the idiots who don't realize this are still good people. Dumb people, but you can't help how intelligent you are any more than you have power over your skin or your sexuality.
@I Are Lebo, OK I see where you are coming from now, all though I don't agree with everything you say, I'm not going to beat my opinions on other people's heads.
@I Are Lebo, the problem is not the fact that people do not think. People do think and they have more or less good logic. The problem is the premises for the logic they build on. If they're premise is that in order to go to heaven I need to do X. Then doing X is the logical thing. Unfortunately people base their premise on horrible things like Islam. So while murdering people is totally illogical to us, it is completely sound logic to them. You must fight their premise, not their logic.
The Bibles origins are know, historians generally accept the historical accuracy of the Bible. They just disregard what they do not want like creation, the flood, and the resurrection. The Bible is written by over 40 authors over the span of several thousand years. Authors some of who were kings, shepards, doctors, zealousts, and ordinary people. The gospels are written as eye witness accounts of the life of Christ. Most of the New Testament is letters from one man to many different churches.
@I Are Lebo, each book name is the letter to that church. Proverbs are a kings wisdom to his son. Abraham tells the origins of the Jews. Esther is the of how a Jewish woman married a Persian king and convinced him not to genocide the entire Jewish people.
All this to say that the Bible is not some religious and fantasy book. It is the story of many people. Most importantly it's the story of Christ. If you haven't truly read it, it's a good read, even if you don't believe everything. It is the number one selling book of all time for a reason.
@DoctaLlama, that reason is being the first publicated book and is the center of a propaganda based religion.
It's fairly easy to separate the
@I Are Lebo, stupid auto send.
It's fairly easy to separate the loonies out. It's the ones who think Noah and the Ark was a true story, or who think Adam and Eve were literally the first humans and every human came from them.
It's these ignorant people who ignore actual evidence and obsess with the Bible that I mock. Because they're morons who deserve to be mocked.
@I Are Lebo, by publicated you mean printed? Yes but before the printing press the bible was hand copied and the bible wasn't the only book, even the epic of Gilgamesh is older than the bible.
Also, even before the Bible and Christianity was made so widespread after Christ's death, there were plenty of other religions around the world. People have always looked for God. Usually in the form of Idols or nature like the sun. People have always believed in something greater than them and the universe. Only in the past 50-100 years has atheism become so truly widespread and accepted. Most of the western world is based off judeo-Christian values. My favorite is the Gregorian calendar which is used everywhere now. Ever wonder what you mean when you say the year 2016? It literally means 2016 years after the birth of Christ. The birth of Christ is the epoch of our calendar system. It's also in the U.S. Constitution, "in the year of our Lord 1787"
@DoctaLlama, heck, the Aztecs in America were sacrificing human hearts to their sun God the same time Christ was crucified by the Romans. point being religion has been around since the beginning and the bible isn't the "root" of all religious problems in the world. It's a human condition.
@DoctaLlama, you're right. I'm oversimplifying, and the end result is the Bible seeming like a scapegoat. I will clarify. The Bible is not the only problem. It is not even close to being the only problem. But it is a problem. I can't talk about everything that is wrong with the world, there's too much. However I can say that for every intelligent Christian who uses the Bible productively, there are dozens who use it as an excuse to preach intolerance or ignorance.
I'm not making any suggestions as to what people should do or how they should live. I don't know you, I don't know how you live, therefore it is impossible for me to have any sort of a valid opinion on that.
The ONLY message I am trying to get across is for people to realize that the stories in the Bible are stories. Not historical records. I can only guess at the morals or plots or points that the Bible is trying to get across. But if, IF the message being made is "this happened a long time ago", then that message is a LIE
@DoctaLlama, actually, now, it's BCE, and CE. Before current era, and current era.
@I Are Lebo, DarkMatter2525 has a good video on why otherwise intelligent people believe things that obviously don't make sense
@Cpzombie, lol, CE, BCE, whatever you want, 2016 adfghj, you're still using the Gregorian calendar and the epoch is still the birth of Christ.
So can we just say that murdering a guy in the street is just planned and that should be the end? No punishment?
@JackoftheDead, if you are the walking dead...that just aired or something.
With all life there must also be death... By bear
@Steins Gato, unless you are Leonardo DiCaprio, bears don't mess with him, not anymore
@Medal Delivery Boy, I dunno.... I hear the bear's gonna get nominated for an Oscar.
Old Testament God is a d!ck.
For me I don't believe in abortion and not for religious reasons I believe every life should have a right to live since it may be our one and only. But I do not support the murderers and other disgusting people who shoot up a clinic and harass those poor souls who make the decision to abort.
@Leftyraydy, early on, fetuses aren't people. They are just small collections of cells that don't think.
@Cpzombie, once again as it is not for religious reasons the life part of it is irrelevant to me we only get one chance to live at all if you take religion out of the equation and we should all get that chance to do it
@Leftyraydy, and why should the parents be forced to raise something they didn't want? It would lead to a bad life for the child as well as possibly ruining the parents' lives.
@Cpzombie, well while that is true but if you had the decision and be honest you have 1 chance at life and whether it was a bad start or not wouldn't you take the risk because just because your early life is crap wouldn't you want the chance at life instead of nothing?
@Leftyraydy, that's the attitude that's led us to a dangerous point of overpopulation that if unchecked, can easily lead to an extinction event due to resource depletion.
@Leftyraydy, fetuses don't think.
@Cpzombie, didn't say they did I said if you had to make the choice wouldn't you choose life?
@Leftyraydy, do you hate blowjobs and masturbation as well? All those millions of potential sperm not being given the chance at life...
@Cpzombie, true except as sperm attached to nothing is not potential at all a fetus and a sperm/egg are really quite different. Nice try though don't know why everyone is trying to crap on my opinion
@Leftyraydy, because your opinion has the potential to ruin many lives
@Cpzombie, really my opinion has the potential to ruin lives wow someone is really pushing the limit today as if everyone would base their own opinion off some guy from funny pics comments. Honestly I support bc to the max and have even donated to the research for the male contraceptive vasagel which would be an amazing advancement for birth control. I am not saying everyone get pregnant I am saying why should someone who had no doing in their own creation suffer for the consequences of their parents or potential parents you exist because your parents didn't terminate you and if you aren't happy about that fact then I don't know what to tell you. I am glad I am here alive and get to live
@Leftyraydy, they aren't people yet. No people get aborted, at least not legally.
@Cpzombie, I say I understand but it's going to be somebody imagine if someone you cared about never existed because they were aborted. The argument of saying its not a "life" yet is ridiculous because if all goes well it will be and that person might make an impact in this world global or on a much smaller personal scale. If you think of it as its not a life yet sure it makes it easier to terminate it, but it doesn't make it right
@Leftyraydy, your same logic could be applied to how evil masturbation and condoms are.
@Cpzombie, I have no issue with being responsible the point I'm making is when a fetus is made is when it counts for me I even believe as far as the plan b pill any preventative measure of someone being responsible is perfectly fine with me. Just because you have sex with someone and inseminate them doesn't mean the outcome of a baby 100% now does it. Otherwise me and my fiance planning a child would have had one already soooo
I'm a Mormon and I share that scripture all the time. Usually gets a mix of laughs and glares.
"Well it logically makes sense but it makes me think and feel uncomfortable so I am going to downvote it. " - anyone who down voted this post
@JakeWithTheJeep, logic scares people
Best part of the bible was when Jesus went into a church and beat the shvt out of everybody that was in it and kicked them out
Or perhaps the time he gave everyone but noah and his family an extreme bath time
@Han Trollo, no that was the big guy unless you had lambs blood on the door. The Pharoah ordered a death when it was said one of the children (Moses) was going to take his slaves from him.
Or the time he wiped out humanity and started over with like 1 family
Religious truth through the funny pics app!!!Huzzah!!!
I dont want to cause anything, but most of the murders were by His people or they were either harmed by non believers or for deadly sins most of the time. God isnt mean. Believe and everything will go in your favor.
@onewhowatches, unless you're Jobe
God isn't mean, just follow all his contradictory commands without question, prostrate yourself daily as often as you can, and police your own thoughts for all the bad stuff you might think or feel that God had the opportunity to not give you but either knowingly gave or allowed to happen. Also if cancer hits you and you're a child , well, I guess God just doesn't like you. Yeah, he's a real nice guy. I can really feel his love shinning down.
@averagestuckpixluser, so loving :D
@abelgray, pronouns don't get capitalized.
Actually the guy who summoned bears was Elisha/Elijhah not sure how to spell it FYI
@Velocitaptor, Elisha. Elijah was a different prophet.
And yeah he summoned them but it also says that he "cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys." So he summoned them... In the name of God..
@Forest Trump, He*
@Blackfrost273, nope. "he" was in reference to Elisha, not God.
@Forest Trump, my bad. Haha two corinthians and all got me distracted. You go trump!
I'm not very religious, but personally I think god (or whomever) gives us choices, sometimes like crossroads and this could be an example of one- choosing to abort the child and go back to "normal," taking care of the child, or putting them up for adoption
Oh goodness how'd I get here....
They were teenagers. And they threatened the prophet elijah, not just made fun of him. Perhaps this fellow should read the bible.
Pink apparently doesn't follow the news. But Blue knows what's up.
220 comments...oh boy.
We all have bad days, some people just handle it differently
"Two seconds ago"
Noahs arc ring any bells?
Burned like a palm leaf on ash friday
I don't know guys, he went to DePaul University. I'd bet he's pretty legit 😂
Or that time in the past when he was such a badass that people wrote wverything down to remember after party. You know, the Bible.
@ JCLEMZ, what?