As a Christian individual, I've looked into satanism and it's not as 'evil' or far out there as people may think. It's generally just accepting the way the world is today, using Satan as a model for everything that is corrupt with human nature.
@The Real Question is, it's actually just doing everything opposite of what the bible says, just to spite it.
@The Real Question is, most Satanists are atheistic Satanists (see: church of Satan or the satanic temple) and don't believe that Satan actually exists
@The Real Question is, ive always thought of god and satan as two sides of the same coin both trying to teach a generally good lesson but satans message was lost somewhere in time and thus its now normal and accepable to call somebody evil satan even though being called that pretty much means your praiseing them
@The Real Question is, I still think it's strange anyone would follow the being responsible for all the world's troubles
@The Real Question is, congratulations! You looked at another parties views from their perspective, but still hold your own beliefs to be true and didn't criticize. We need more like you. ☺
@The Real Question is, I think there's two kinds. There's this chill one and there's also the cliche one people always think of but they are few in comparison.
@very aussie bloke , in the concept of Christianity God is absolute holiness so the definition of what is "good" is based off the character of God, not necessarily What humans hold to be ethically just (though they really shouldn't differ). To get to my point if God is good then Satan cannot also be good because he is in direct rivalry with God
@The Real Question is, my favorite part of the satanic bible is the part where it tells you to politely talk to someone if they're bothering you, and if they continue, killing them is completely justified. It'd solve so many problems.
@The Real Question is, yes 2 types if satanism
Leveyan is the most popular and that is based around that humans and human nature is "the devil"
@The Real Question is, interesting
@Sexy Homunculus, If you think it's strange anyone would follow a being that is responsible for all the well trouble then why do people follow God? God is the reason for all of the worlds troubles. He created the world and let's those troubles I haven't. In fact God is the one who told Lucifer to temp man. It was God's will that Satan exists and does what he does. Because God told him to do it.
@Seohn, It is true that God created Lucifer (who became Satan/the devil), but Lucifer is the one who rebelled against God and wants to see everything in God's creation be corrupted.
@Sexy Homunculus, I'm pretty sure Lucifer didn't become Satan? I think he was just an arch/fallen angel. I could easily be wrong though and I'm not trying to challenge you at all.
@AdmiralMikasa, what basically happened was that God created Lucifer to oversee all his Creation and kind of be his right hand man, which gave Lucifer a high position among the angels. Rather than fulfilling his role he wanted more and sought to become all powerful like God, and thus his pride and arrogance caused him to be dispelled from Heaven. At that point he basically became God's sworn enemy and since then has wanted to destroy everything God has created. He's been the devil ever since that happened, basically
@Sexy Homunculus, Ah, but does it specifically state that HE was the devil? Or does he just act in devilish ways? Not sure why you'd assign your arch enemy such a high position as overseeing all evil-doers. Seems like a pretty important role. (again, I don't know anything, not trying to disprove your knowledge)
@The Real Question is, I've read the LaVey ( or however you spell it ) book on it.
It is more or less just celebrating individualism.
A lot of the writing tries to express the power one has to do anything they desire but understand it has consequences etc. It really is just Dress up Atheism with a more selfish touch to it. ( Not to the extremes I might add.) You could easily say ( by following the writing if you really chose ) doing something you want to do is being selfless and helping. (Which means the "consequences" might be a good result or in your favor in the end.)
Its a really interesting book and I suggest people read it.
@The Real Question is,
So..... I'm satanic?
@Sexy Homunculus, quick question, he questions the rule of an all powerfull entity , and asks the supposed son of said entity to prove himself (might be forgeting details) . He seems to be making atleast semi-logical decisions
@The Real Question is, wait so theres no sacrifices? What did i fill out all that paperwork for?
@AdmiralMikasa, he wasn't God's enemy when he was appointed to that position, plus he was in that position and lost it before humans had evil nature. He is the reason humans actually have an innate evil nature
@Pouldershads, if you're referring to when he tempted Jesus in the desert he was basically doing that to try to entrap him. Jesus came to live a perfect life and then die for all mankind so that man's sin would be accounted for so we could live with God in Heaven after we physically die. If Jesus had fallen victim to one of Satan/Lucifer's temptations in the desert his perfection would have been nullified and the Devil would have succeeded in preventing us from being able to spend eternity in the presence of God. That was why he said stuff like "Surely as the Son of God you can turn these stones into bread" or "If you are really the son of God then if you jump off this cliff then he will send His angels to save you". He wanted to to see if he could trick Jesus into falling for those tricks and stop him from saving us all from being eternally cut off from God
@The Real Question is, what I have found, most Satanists believe in the Bible in it's entirety, except for Revelations and that Satan will prevail against Gos.
@Sexy Homunculus, but since God is all knowing he knew lucifer would betray him and thus created him that way on purpose
@The Real Question is, Yeah. Turns out it focuses heavily on personal liberty and freedom, and in that respect some of its views are preferable to those of many traditional religions.
@The Real Question is, it depends on what version of satanism you look at. Leveyan satanism is the one you most likely looked up since it's the most popular. They use satan as a symbol of rebellion. There beliefs are pretty much think of yourself before others. They literally use the numbers 666 to screw around with Christians. Now elite satanism is the one where they get crazy and sacrifice shįt. I've done some research on them too and it was very interesting. For example: the person who founded satanism and made it popular was an ex-carnie.
@The Real Question is, it's about as ridiculous as believing in Jesus haha
@very aussie bloke , also satan never started out evil. He was (according to what I've heard and read) one of God's best angels (in beauty too) but satan became to greedy and wanted to be better than jesus. But that dint happen. There may have been a battle, and then satan was cast out of heaven.
@Basil Fawlty, you are correct. Satan was not just an angel, but the most beautiful angel in Heaven. This beauty created pride that made him believe he was better than God which lead to his fall.
@Basil Fawlty, so satan was good but a bit of a douch
@Basil Fawlty, see, I've never really heard it as him being greedy or wanting to be better than Jesus. I've always heard it as him being overly Prideful and believing (in my opinion rightfully so) that Angels were superior to humans and therefor should not be treated as underlings who exist for the sole purpose of helping humans. This rebellion against the status quo that God was trying to set up was what caused God to strip him and his followers of their angelic titles and cast them out of heaven. Out of anger, he tempted God's creations with the first sin as proof that they were corruptible and therefor less than Angels.
@Gay Ninja, I should probably add that I am only Christian in the barest sense of the word. I believe in a higher being but I do not believe in the bible or that he is almighty and all knowing... My God needed (and needs) the help of his angels to maintain order but the corruption in the world makes beings as pure as Angels harder to recruit to heaven and they are fighting an inevitably losing battle
@Gay Ninja, my understanding is that God did not cast Lucifer from heaven it was Michael who did so. God gave Lucifer the responsibility of tempting man. Michael didn't like what was for was doing. That's my understanding of it Lucifer the 12 winged angel. All other angels only had 6 wings
@Gay Ninja, what I find interesting as I was reading some articles. Is that if Satan is fated for the lake of fire after the battle if Armageddon and it is prophesies that way. Then wouldn't Satan know about this prophecy and just not do what prophecy says to avoid that fate? A being so intelligent and capable of manipulation could manipulate without anyone ever knowing it. Including manipulating those that think they are doing good. Thousands of years to perfect the craft he has had. Perhaps the prophecy only comes to fruition when he finally gets tired of deceiving.
@Blue Hero, like not keeping slave? And not stoning people to death?
@Seohn, well the doctrine on this subject is taught a little differently in different Christian churches. Like I'm Mormon, and we believe Satan rebelling was part of the plan of Salvation. Like we had to be tempted so we can fully understand the difference between good and evil like God does. The doctrine gets pretty deep, so a Google search on plan of salvation would be better than my comment if you care
@very aussie bloke , at the beginning of heaven yes. According to the stuff I read. But after that I don't really care much for what people say happened. Cuz it's really hard to know what happened. Except his fall from grace
@Seohn, god created the world in perfect harmony, then satan (the serpent) decieved eve when he told the first lie. She believed him and although adam was not decieved, he decided to follow his wife rather than god. By satan lying about god, he raised a very important question... is god the only one with the right to rule mankind. All of the time after that and until now has been god allowing satan to do his thing and try (and fail) to prove that he can rule mankind.
@Seohn, its all in genesis just read the first four chapters
@Seohn, you have a very loose concept of who God is.
@MrToastBoy, In other words, satanists are just edgy atheists.
@davers1990, this is one thought of many. I don't have a loose concept of who God is. Though you may want to think on it more deeply yourself. It can get extremely philosophically complex if you are willing to think about God without letting your religion dictate how you think about God.
Satanism is actually really focused more on freedom and giving in to primal desires as opposed to most religion which is more about what you can't do. I'm not a satanist but from what I've read it's a fairly interesting religion
@Penis emporium , such a generalization to all other religion. Christianity, for instance, is about a relationship with God, not about "what you can't do". Sometimes it's good to really study something before you are quick to give it a general bad name.
"You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall not make idols.
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet."
Most of those are things you cannot do.
"Human life is held in sacred regard. Children in particular are not to be harmed.
Indulgence, not abstinence.
Vital existence, not spiritual pipe dreams.
Undefiled wisdom, not hypocritical self-deceit.
Kindness to those deserving of it, not love wasted on ingrates.
Vengeance, not turning the other cheek.
Responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.
Man as just another animal - the most vicious of all.
Gratification of all ones desires.
Each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.
Love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy."
Whereas this is more of a "do this, not that" type of phrasing
@davers1990, Additionally, the seven deadly sins are lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride, whereas the sins of Satanism are Stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism, self-deceit, herd conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxies, counterproductive pride, and lack of aesthetics. Christianity is more aligned to a utopian ideal, whereas Satanism is essentially an acceptance of human nature.
@davers1990, I wasn't saying religion is bad. Just that most other religions require some sort of sacrifice like fasting or giving up certain foods. Satanism is about indulgence in life while Christianity is more about restraint
I feel like these are taken out of context...
@Frodrevo, Very, very much so.
@Frodrevo, indeed they are...
@Frodrevo, Duteronemy 22:29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife" Please, give me context.
@Frodrevo, yea, the Bible one is actually saying that the rapist has to pay the father money and has to be married to his victim. He cannot divorce her to get out of it so he basically has to live with what he did. It is a very common verse for skeptics.
@umeni, it's all about context. And if the father does not want the man to marry his daughter he won't. But people have to realize times were very different back then. I mean 60 years ago we had "white" toilets and "black" toilets, among other things.
@Jfosh, yea. When reading verses people have to read it like it was intend to be good, and also realize things were different. As you said.
@drawAline2UandMe, first thoughts. 1. Nowhere did that say it was rape. It just said they had Sex. 2. Cultural context. In that time, when you Beth other the man payed the father for his daughters hand in marriage. They would get married, and seal the covenant with sex. The couple here thoughts they could have Sex and not be married, which God is against. Thus, the man is forced to pay for what he stole (her marriage) and is then forced to not just abandon the girl, but to marry her
@Hiskid, and believe me...having a wife these days ain't free either, so don't go judging. Having a woman costs money. Don't believe me? Go get one and see what happens to your bank account lol
@drawAline2UandMe, that verse is about consensual sex between unmarried people. Duteronemy 22:25 is about rape. And it says to kill the rapist.
@Captain Mal, exactly. I hate when people misuse that scripture. People are so quick to yell at God but so unwilling to learn about him.
As a Christian, with the rapist thing, the rapist is still put in jail for the rape, he just also had to pay 500 silver coins (I think) as well, unless she was married, then the rapist was killed. ( the one in jail may also be killed as well but I don't know.)
@Toxia, ignore the amount, just saw someone else's comment, it's 50 not 500
Yeah I don't see why people still make the "bible condones rape" or the "rape" part of what this comment is referring to. It never says rape in the bible nor does it refer to it. It says that violates a woman but if you'd care to actually read before that the whole contexts is talking about sexual immorality and how a woman or man is not to have sex before marriage. It's saying basically if two young and horny people do it it outside the context of marriage then the man shall pay her father the money he would have to have paid to take her hand. And no it's not a transaction like she's property it's more respect and not an empty marriage meaning that he is intent fully wanting to marry her for her not to have sex. Just like Joseph worked 7 years under his soon to be wife's father because he had no money so he could marry her. If that doesn't show love idk what else would
@Hockman9, and this isn't an angry tone just a "tired of hearing this" argument about condoning rape
@Hockman9, imagine if you had to pay or work for your wife you wanted to marry? You'd think long and hard if she was your real soulmate or not. I know I would
@Hockman9, the bible says if you rape a women you can pay her father to marry her. It's nothing to do with respect
@Hockman9, No, you are wrong. The bible does refer to rape. The story of Lot includes a part where two angels come down to meet Lot, in doing so, a group of horny men see them and want to have sex with the angels. Lot gives the men two of his daughters to rape instead of the angels, and if I'm remembering right they crawl back to Lots house. They got raped to hell and back.
@Erellameth, that's not about rape. That was about how if a man seduces a virgin outside of marriage and has sex with her, he must pay the price of marriage instead of abandoning her. Rapists were stoned to death.
*grabs popcorn and waits for *grabs popcorn* commments
@Aegislash, *grabs large drink*
@Aegislash, *grabs penis* wait...
@Aegislash, Hot diggity that's clever and unexpected
The guy on this pic is the singer from a Swedish rock band called Ghost! Saw them live in Denmark once! Go check them out!
@Banana Jack, I'm opening for them, five do get death punch, lamb of God, anthrax and megadeth in May
@Rattlehead Vision, ah, yes, Five Do Get Death Punch, an excellent band. My favorite album was "Away Do the Fist".
@Doctor Krieger, goddammit, I hate auto-correct so much. I did not catch that 😭😂
Swiftly swipes to the next pic.
@Tentacle Monster, looks more like you stopped to comment to me
Papa emeritus speaks the truth.
As a proud owner of the satanic bible, shjt makes sense yo
@ Tobias Widower, same lol
Fun fact. Satanist do not believe in Satan.
@x2 6x 9 lol, yes they do... You can't base a religion around something you don't believe to exist. That contradicts the very definition of "religion".
@Doctor Krieger, no, they don't. Go read about it before you talk out of your ass.
@x2 6x 9 lol, yes, they do. There is no rational way of construing it to not be so.
@Doctor Krieger, go look it up dumbass.
@x2 6x 9 lol, already have a number of times in the past. You're making an ass out of yourself.
@Doctor Krieger, http://www.churchofsatan.com/faq-fundamental-beliefs.php
Here ya go moron.
@x2 6x 9 lol, the "Church of Satan" isn't actually a Satanic following, genius... It's a club at best. They sell merchandise for fvck's sake. They appeal to a counter-culture associated with black metal, not to theological Satanists. Seriously, you call me a "moron"? What a joke.
@Doctor Krieger, your ignorance is astounding. I'll leave you alone to dwell on it.
@x2 6x 9 lol, he's just a jackass trolling. No way someone is that stupid.
Look up the band Ghost BC to understand the origins of the bottom picture.
@Doctor Krieger, I was wondering if that was Ghost. Thanks!
@Doctor Krieger, Ghost bc is just called Ghost. The label named them with the bc because Papa changed his face. There is no difference between Ghost BC and Ghost
@Rattlehead Vision, my understanding of it is that in the US they're officially "Ghost BC" and in Europe and most other places they're just "Ghost".
@Doctor Krieger, I think it was just the one album. They're just labeled as ghost on all releases after infesstisumum and in all advertisements. After fans got annoyed with the labels decision they dropped it pretty quickly
@Rattlehead Vision, well, I'm not much of a doom metal guy. Can't say that I've been paying much attention to things like that.
This thread was very informative and I learned a lot from it. Thank you everyone, and also hail Satan ;p
No the Quran does not say that maybe to the altered ones or the ones the extremists write but norwin the normal one so learn it before you speak
As a Satanist, I approve.
Yay for agnosticism?
Can someone please show my where the Bible says that??? Lol I've been around the bible for my whole life and not once have i read that.
@Tristannnn, it can depend on the translation your bible is, but Deuteronomy 22:29
@Tristannnn, Deuteronomy 22:29: Then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Ancient Jewish (not modern) law to preserve honor of both subjects. Not New Testament Christianity (modern Christianity).
@ToastyGoodness, that sounds less like rape and more like marrying someone you had sex with to avoid shame.
@Doctor Krieger, Precisely.
@Doctor Krieger, that's because it isn't about rape. It's about if a horny couple get at it before marriage and the dad finds out. In that time you paid to marry a woman, like a contract to have sex (no not in a disrespectful way) it was like a devotion. Rapists were actually stoned or burned to death, and the woman proclaimed innocent.
Funny Pics DOES support a socialist, and religion IS the opiate if the masses... So it's not a surprise Stuck Pixel hates religions too
Seriously? That verse in Deuteronomy and exodus is talking about a virgin, so anytime a man lays with an unbetrothed virgin (consensual) he is obligated to marry her. It's ultimately up to the father to decide if he can marry her or not. And I'm guessing if the dude raped her, the dad ain't gonna let him marry her. There's plenty of Bible verses that clearly define what to do if someone rapes I suggest you look those up.
As far as i know in the islam, if a married man wants to have sex with the woman he married to, that woman can't deny. Because if she does there's a bigger chance of that man to cheat on his wife.
Surprised Kumamon wasn't there on the bottom