Before you get too flamey please realise that this is Ricky Gervais and he will shjt on literally anything, regardless of origin, societal value, public opinion or gamerscore
@YUNoJump, and that's why we like him. Ricky doesn't give a fvck
@BIessthefaII, have you seen his golden globes hosting. He just burns all the celebrities
@YUNoJump, I'm fine with shjting on literally anything, but gamerscore? That's taking it too far
@YUNoJump, I don't get all the achievements for nothing!
@YUNoJump, he actually has a particular distaste for religion, though.
@YUNoJump, he doesn't just shjt on anything for the sake of it. His views on religion and politics are strong and stem from intelligent reasoning and logic
@YUNoJump, as my highschool pre-calc teacher would say, "I hate all of you equally"
@YUNoJump, What he says is true though
@Unkle77, no offense but what you atheists call reasoning and logic is something you guys set as your definition of your own belief but it has never or will it ever be proven how life has been formed. Sure you guys developed an idea known as evolution but the only tangible idea that you guys set to this idea was natural selection, which would happen as a result of already living life forms dominating over others. This didnt result in any religious ideas being disproven. Just my view on the topic.
@Sim0nSays , lol I'm a Muslim but I also welcome logic and discourse on all topics of debate. I'm not saying I agree with Ricky Gervais, I'm saying that his views are not just mindless or random, they stem from a trail of thought
@YUNoJump, my gamerscore (gs) is fvcking high mate...and trophy collection too for three years of games. Plus...im rick james bjtch...he better watch his fvcking punk mouth...jk im not rick james..and i play pc games too...and my xbl was dormant for three years until december...but psn is only two years in...im not jewish...pizza is awesome...stop catmadegon...help me
@Unkle77, oh ok lol. Whereyou from btw?
@Sim0nSays , London 🚕🇬🇧
@marinebiobry, As does anyone who knows anything about the universe
@Sim0nSays , Wrong. Fact: RNA formed from chemicals in the earth and eventually evolved into more stable DNA which, in different environments and conditions triggering different adaptations, eventually evolved into the diverse life-forms we see today.
@Sir Unimpressive, actually not facts yet, if you read the actual research its still labled theory, suggested, appears etc. The can see what smaller blocks make up bigger blocks but have no clue why they start self replicating, self feeding, self repairing. They still have no fact why rna and Dna became active programs running little organisms. They just "happen" to form a double helix program more powerful and adaptable than any program we have ever created and we call ourselves intelligent. We can build Frankenstein monsters but do not give life.
@Sweet or Sour, It's just chemical reactions…When you get down to it, that's all life is.
I'll admit, certainly it's got its mysteries. Why DNA forms that particular shape and how chemicals and bioelectric signals produce consciousness remain some of the world's greatest mysteries. We know exactly what happens, but why and how, not so much.
@Sir Unimpressive, so your memory of this comment is just chemical reaction. Explains why alchohol and drugs screw with conciousness. And have to take "know exactly" to "postulate", but we are getting there.
@Sweet or Sour, Indeed it is. It also explains why memories can so easily be warped and changed, and even removed and restored by a single shock to the brain.
@Unkle77, what borough?
@Angular Notspice, Brent (Wembley). How about you?
@Sim0nSays , I like how he didn't even say what he believed in untill later but you assumed atheist.
We could say something similar about creationism because it can't be proven, however; because of that we shouldn't argue or attack others because it'd be just fighting with beliefs not fact
@Sim0nSays , Christian here, I believe in God. Does that mean I believe everything the Bible says? of course not. Call me unfaithful or whatever, because I also support LGBTQ and everything, and honestly find arguments like yours incredibly ignorant to reality. Downvote me, if it makes you feel more faithful to God. Just know having a mind of your own while also believing in a religion is possible.
@Exotic Xer, when did i say that? I never even mentioned the bible lol. And no im not going to downvote. I have a mind of my own. I just dont let my mind take over my faith and belief in God because he is.... God
@Sim0nSays , apologies, I was listening to a really agitating song earlier (work) and was kind of looking for something to hate on haha.
@Exotic Xer, no need to apologies brother
@Unkle77, He isn't a scientist. He does his best with the info that the academic establishment feeds the public, but he is an opinionated atheistic layperson. Which means he speaks with authority on both faith and science and has only a rudimentary understanding of both.
@Sir Unimpressive, false. I have a masters degree in biology and am a university professor. I know SOME things about the universe, and I am also a person of faith. And despite what the world wants you to think, I have no trouble reconciling the two.
A flame war approaches get into the bunker quickly
"Strange. It's almost as if this book that was written two thousand years ago doesn't have a proper understanding of what it's like to live in today's society. How bizarre."
@I Are Lebo, did you quote him or yourself?
@I Are Lebo, and yet people still treat it like it wasn't
@I Are Lebo, did Unkle77 downvote you?
@addibruh, I'm not sure. Both?
@The Silver Shroud, yup. On 3 different pics. Downvote troll?
@I Are Lebo, I believe so.
@I Are Lebo, after learning about all sorts of religion I believe that a famous actor was correct, that God is a 12 year old boy with high functioning autism.
@I Are Lebo, it's been adjusted plenty of times. The true original Bible is scarce and would be difficult for the masses to understand it
@I Are Lebo, translating the Bible made it lose some meaning. That's why Muslims advocated for the Quran to never be translated from Arabic. They knew it would not hold the same meaning, yet they still gained large amounts of followers B)
@I Are Lebo, Think of it this way: The bible is a set of divine rules (as far as it is translated correctly, since men changed things here and there to suit their own needs). And as such, they would never be out of date. Really, it's modern society that's just drifting further and further away from these principles, disguising it as "progress." Besides, it's never nice to belittle the religion of people who are trying to better themselves, it just makes you look like a jerk.
@I Are Lebo, its people that say stuff like that who don't have a clue what it's about
@The Silver Shroud, or maybe he just didn't like the posts. That's what the voting is for.
@Homerville, no one can know 100% for sure if they aren't the author.
@CynicalSir, he down voted several on different pictures. Same for lebo.
@TheKen42, one of those 'principles' are the murder of women who have premarital sex.
The bible is archaic.
@I Are Lebo, Firstly: That would concidered a punishment, not a principle. Second: In John 8 instead of saying 'go ahead and stone her,' Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultry.
@TheKen42, the bible is full of hypocrisies and magic stories about water and mythical beasts. It was written by man and full of holes. I just don't understand how so many people believe in those fairy tales.
@TheKen42, like @ihatecums said, the bible is filled with contradiction, and absurdity. I don't begrudge anyone for holding onto faith or their beliefs, but the bible is not a historical document. It is fiction. There are three things you can do with the bible, two of which are healthy.
1: you can ignore it.
2: you can draw life lessons and morals from it.
3: you can treat it as the indisputable word of God.
If you do 3, you are a part of a group that regularly denies the rights of others, oppresses freedoms, and seeks to impose an ancient law on the people of today without care or knowledge or even the willingness to believe the possibility of being wrong.
If you do #3, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. If you do #3, you are an ignorant person blindly following a faith that decrees you should not know, only obey.
@I Are Lebo, Now you're starting to contradict yourself. I do consider it to be the word of God (so I would be a #3, on your silly little scale). However, the church I attend does does not seek to impose anything on anyone, and our approach is to invite people to the church, while those who are more off-putting are likely not understanding the gospel correctly. To call everyone who worships God ignorant for that very fact is ignorant itself, and I resent that you call piety a 'problem.'
@TheKen42, then I did not make myself clear, and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
Piety is not by itself a problem. Have you ever spoken out against homosexuality? Or premarital sex?
Religion is not by itself bad. Faith is not intrinsically good or bad. I just want to make it clear that I wasn't remarking on what one believes. I was listing what one DOES. That is the only thing that matters. Why is irrelevant (beyond understanding What).
What do you do with your faith? Do you ignore it? Do you use it as inspiration to be a better person? Or do you use it to force other people to follow your way of living?
Religious fundamentalists don't (or can't) understand that what they are doing is WRONG. When they attempt to convert other people into their faiths, when they speak out against things that are natural, when they speak out against freedom, they are holding back humanity.
Speaking out against homosexuality is insanity. It's a natural phenomena that cannot be stopped, least of
@I Are Lebo, all by oppressing people.
I'm not saying you are a bigot, all I am saying is there is no reason beyond religious bias to discriminate against gay people, and yet so many people do.
I'm not gay. But the fact that people even care about it is something I blame Christianity and the other religions for.
It's books like the Bible that go so far beyond "be kind to each other", that psychotic people like Kim Davis are able to justify their hatred because they got it from "God". It's a flawed message that does more harm than good.
@I Are Lebo, This is definately more explanitory than the previous post. To keep it short, I'll just say two things to kinda respond and then to clarify. First: I don't believe being homosexual is a sin, but rather engaging in same sex relations (which is a whole 'nother can o' worms I try to stay away from). Second: A person should *never* be put down for sin, and really the best way to help someone is to be there with open arms. Redemption can only happen if the sinner wants it, so shunning or condemning does absolutely no good.
@TheKen42, but therein lies the problem. There's no questioning. There is NOTHING wrong with being gay. And for the record, saying that being gay is okay but having sex with someone the same gender as you is not only retarded, it's borderline offensive. That's like saying you, as a man, can love your girlfriend, but you can't marry her or have sex with her. It's none of your business!
And the fact of he matter is, religious people refuse to look beyond the bible for answers. I've argued the point over and over, and there is no justification, no reasoning, beyond "the bible said so" for why homosexuality is supposed to be a bad thing. It's infuriating. Laws have reasons behind them. "Because I said so" is not a reason.
"Sin is bad. Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is bad."
That's the logic that causes so many people to lash out at others, and it is entirely the fault of religious leaders telling them this.
But for all that, THIS is why I'm fed up with religion:
@I Are Lebo, Telling gay people that they need to be redeemed for being gay is like telling black people that they need to be redeemed for being black, or telling women that they need to be redeemed for being female.
It's not mercy, or kindness, or even acceptance. It's condescension. Well meaning or not, it's condescension.
I have no patience for it.
@I Are Lebo, Ok, clearly you've misunderstood me, so I'm going to try a different approach. You say it is 'retarded' to think being gay is ok, but same sex relations is not. With the thinking you have we should hate on those that are born with missing limbs, mental retardations, or other like deformations. With these conditions you have no control over these at birth (and little, if any, afterwards). Homosexuality is very similar in this regard, in that you are born that that way and can't really change that fact. This is why it is not considered the sin to be gay, but instead a challenge that is carried throughout an individual's life. It is a persons *actions* and not what they are that would be determined as sin.
@I Are Lebo, And yes, it is none of my business whom anyone else has sex with, and I never meant to imply otherwise, and really, you're analogy made little sense to me. As far as I'm concerned when it come to sinning, it's between the sinner, the lord, and the appropriate church leader if it is serious enough.
Hopefully this clarifies my point of view on this, 'cause I don't like debating about religion, but I also don't want to leave being misunderstood. Overall, though you've been trying to make religion seem like nosey, in-your-business snobs, when that is not the case for a majority of us.
@TheKen42, that doesn't make any sense. Being gay is not a disability. It's a natural occurring phenomenon present in every species of mammal on the planet. Different is not disabled.
My dog is gay. She is obsessed with female crotches. She loves sitting in my mothers lap, and before my other dog died, she would have her nose buried in the other dogs crotch so often it was ludicrous. I've even caught her humping my other female dog.
The attitude that gay people should repress themselves and pretend to not be gay is extremely offensive. To be gay is to have same sex relations, if any.
This attitude is ignorant. You refuse to accept that homosexuality is not something unnatural, and it is not going away.
@TheKen42, for the record, I know that the nosey, in-your-business snobs are the vocal minority. But that's just it. They're the most vocal. They're the ones making life harder for other people.
Also, you're one of the better persons I've debated this with, which is something I really appreciate.
It just bothers me how it seems like so many people think freedom is letting other people do only what THEY think is right. The United States of America in particular has no concept of proper freedom. People interested in freedom wouldn't try to make being gay illegal. American women that need an abortion in most places are faced with so many obstacles that in spite of being legal, it's impossible.
It just upsets me how so many people seem to be so incapable of just minding their own damn business. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you're not entitled to intervene in other people's lives.
@I Are Lebo, literally everything you said is how i think about all this, but im garbage at explaining anything. Good shït
@TheKen42, hello There! I would just like to point out how the U.S started with a set of civil laws, but allowed for amendments because things would change over time. The bill of rights would not exist without amendments. We're obviously different now than when the original government was created, so does that mean we're any less civil? no, it means things have changed.
@Exotic Xer, I'm not entirely sure how this fits in to what's been said
@TheKen42, just some similar concepts about your first comment about divine rules that stay constant. in the U.S, laws don't stay constant because society changes. the Bible was not written by God but by humans in God's name. Let's be honest, there's no way one set of rules will last for eternity. History has taught us this haha... we have to adapt to the change, which is why current countries have lasted this long. no change = eventual downfall
@Exotic Xer, Ah, I see, and we have a bit different points of view. I believe that while the bible was written by men, they were divinely inspired, and God would not allow his prophets to lead His people astray, though that didn't stop changes and mistranslations during the dark ages when the true gospel wasn't on the earth. Of course, my point of view is influenced by my own beliefs, and as such will differ greatly from those of different denominations.
@TheKen42, I believe in God too, but I'm not hardcore enough to follow every aspect of Christianity. I believe God watches over us but I don't exactly believe in his followers ^.^
@Exotic Xer, lol, the church is true, but the people aren't, right?
@TheKen42, yeah... Because recognizing woman as actual human beings is drifting farther from proper principles. Rrrrriiiiight.
@I Are Lebo, damn, sorry for jumping back into this. Sleep deprived and going through my notifications. Disregard that.
Unrelated- why does funny pics take up 1.9 gb of space on my phone...
@Mrfab13, if your on android go to your apps and hit clear data and clear cashe, for some reason the app stores the images on your phone causing that
@IdeasAreHard, it takes up a lot of room on my phone too. Do you know how to clear the app's data on an iphone?
@HolyCatchphrase, no sorry, you could try uninstalling and reinstalling the app
@IdeasAreHard, that seems to have worked! I always just figured it needed that much room. Thanks for the tip!
Strange, almost as if people who didn't understand where the sun goes at night shouldn't be dictating how I live my life
@Suq Madiq, you make me happy :)
*Grabs umbrella for the coming shjtstorm of downvotes*
@Grand Champion, and there were 40 days and 40 nights of downvotes
I'd like to see if he's brave enough to make fun of Islam.
@Pubmarine Shamwich, He's edgy not stupid. Maybe he'll save it for his last show so he can end with a bang.
@Gamasennin, ha! #bestcomments
@Gamasennin, maybe a boom
Because the bible written by man haha
@Tokenblackguy, yea but it wasnt the words of man. It was the words of god written by man
@Sim0nSays , trust me what I say is God-inspired and is his word everlasting: chicken cannot be fried. How dare thee offend thy God!
@Can yew knot, why are you being a downvote troll dude?
@Nigel Powers, he downvoted every single comment I posted, even ones that wasn't me talking about God
@Sim0nSays , You are so gullible it's cute .
@Thatonehero, im not gullible. I am saying what I believe and what us Christians believe. Atheists believe that humans were created from a big bang. How can something like that even cause life forms to exist? If anything you're just being a hypocrite.
@Sim0nSays , it didn't cause life forms to exist you pea brained sheep
@Nigel Powers, down vote troll? I just downvoted your posts cause they're full of shjt
@The Silver Shroud, same with yours
@Can yew knot, what did then you moronic asshole? Oh thats right, you guys don't even know. All you dumbass atheists know is that we "evolved". Well obviously natural selection changed the way life forms are now, but that doesn't get you guys any closer to the answer of how life formed. Man goodluck conversating to people in the future if thats the way you talk to people. Pathetic.
@Sim0nSays , wow aren't you special. Life formed with the onset of basic microrganisms which had DNA and could sustain a sequence of chemical reactions to perpetuate their existence. Then evolved basic cells, complex microbes, multi-celled organisms, and so on. If you need a more in depth rundown as far as science knows then research it yourself.
@Sim0nSays , seeing as I am talking to someone who believes that some random "pre-existing" being whopped out two fully formed humans, and disregard that non-human life existed billions of years before, I don't see your point of whose the "dumbass" here
@Sim0nSays , since you obviously can't process how time works if you don't get evolution and organism-formation, think this - imagine all that has changed in the last 3000 years, pre-Roman to today. All the random occurrences and new/extinct species. Now multiple that by 1 million (1,000,000 if you don't know). That's how life was made from a series of chemicals.
@Sim0nSays , check pic 218188, it'll enlighten you harder than your Jesus
@Can yew knot, "the onset of basic microorganisms which had DNA and could sustain a sequence of chemical reactions to perpetuate their existence". And what are these chemical reactions? Could you enlighten me? How come we are still not able to form any of these microorganisms with chemicals and with all the research of science that goes on? You basically just proved my point once again. If we aren't even able to figure out what these chemicals are and the sequence that they are put together than how can you just make that assumption yourself? And btw chemicals cant just evolve into organelles, or at least it hasn't been discovered yet. Btw not that it really matters but im an engineer major so stop calling others stupid. You don't see me calling you an idiot.
@Can yew knot, btw you are calling my religion stupid but you don't realize that Christianity takes faith. Obviously it hasn't been proven otherwise what would be the point of our existence? Its a test of faith in God.
@Sim0nSays , Damn you're dense. Search "create + artificial life" and nose around. Man made organisms have been made, that can reproduce with artificial DNA, new genes, or completely different cells. Oh an we know what all the chemicals are and there sequence, I don't know what stone age you live in but sequencing chemicals (among them DNA) has been around for decades.
@Sim0nSays , "Christianity takes faith." Wow how ridiculous. Something's legitimacy isn't proved by simply "believing" in it. Believing in a self-contradicting old book, with a total lack of complete evidence behind it, doesn't make it true, or right, or even a legitimate contention for explaining world events. Ideas and laws based on observable evidence and theories that make logical sense and which have data behind them, on the other hand, are legitimate contentions.
@Sim0nSays , if you're such a budding young engineer, tell me, when I ask why your building WONT collapse, will you tell me "just have faith?" Or will you tell me how it, by laws of physics and trial-and-error perfection of building design, is not capable of collapse under normal conditions?
@Sim0nSays , The biggest problem in our world is that people criticize others for something they believe in while refusing to do the research for themselves. You are pathetic.
@Can yew knot, You. I pick you as my new favorite person :)
Thank you for being smart amongst a world of clouded minds.
@LostLogic, criticize? If you didnt notice from the beginning, i was the one that got criticized. Tbh, i was wrong about the creation of cells from scratch. I just did my research on it and it is true that we have created a living form from a bacterium. It still doesn't change my views one bit. The reason is because there is no proof that this is what actually happened from the beginning. Nor is there proof that there is a God. Thats the true struggle of human existence. YES evolution is possible from scratch. And yes it is possible that there is a God. One might be more logical and tangible than the other. But if you believe in God there are many things that are unknown and that our human brains aren't possibly able to grasp. Point is either one of our faiths are possible. We each have our own. Peace.
@Can yew knot, Tbh, i was wrong about the creation of cells from scratch. I just did my research on it and it is true that we have created a living form from a bacterium. It still doesn't change my views one bit. The reason is because there is no proof that this is what actually happened from the beginning. Nor is there proof that there is a God. Thats the true struggle of human existence. YES evolution is possible from scratch. And yes it is possible that there is a God. One might be more logical and tangible than the other. But if you believe in God there are many things that are unknown and that our human brains aren't possibly able to grasp. Point is either one of our faiths are possible. We each have our own. Peace.
@Can yew knot, one more thing that i wanted to say is why do you criticize christianity so much when it has been around for so long and that the majority of people are believers? You cant possibly tell me that all those people are stupid enought to believe it. People are natural born criticizers and don't like to believe anything new. But the fact that so much of humanity now and especially far back a few thousand years ago is of the Christian faith makes it seem very logical to me.
@Sim0nSays , Actually it is quite the opposite-humans are not born to criticize. The reason so many people believe in Christianity now is that it simply has been imprinted - if you grew up in a household praying to an imaginary person, then you also adapt the views of the family. In fact, up to a hundred years ago, if you didn't adapt them you would be beaten, isolated, exiled, tortured, or killed. How's that for the church's persuasion
@Sim0nSays , also a great counterexample, just look at religions' histories. At re I sent of Christianity most of the world were worshipping the Roman gods. Before that the Greek gods. Before that each tribe had there own sets of gods they worshipped for hundreds of years
@Sim0nSays , Christianity is a new religion, there were hundreds (maybe even thousands) before it. Saying "look at world today" is in no way shape or form proof that the religion has any legitimacy
@LostLogic, Thanks! :) I think I like you too, since your logic doesn't seem lost at all
@Sim0nSays , See this is the essence of why it's so pointless to argue with blind Christians (and every other major believer). You just said life cannot be created by humans and therefor must be by God (implied the last bit). I showed you how it CAN be created. You admit you were wrong (I appreciate that) but then end it with "it still doesn't change my views one bit." You had one thing that your God could apparently do that we couldn't. I proved it inaccurate. You now have no point to argue, yet you still maintain your argument. How? In the name of logic, how?
@Can yew knot, https://youtu.be/-dWQ2WzQCFc
Please just watch. And please read the comment he leaves
@Sim0nSays , We have actually been able to create amino acids spontaneously. And engineering is not biology either
@Sim0nSays , try posting the title I cannot copy and paste
@Sim0nSays , you have yet to respond with a new point so I guess your religion has nothing else to say
@Can yew knot, "this man died from drug overdose went to hell and then jesus saved him"
Tbh i dont think the video would stir you, but the first comment that the uploader leaves behind is important. Im not an expert on my religion but you told me to research on creationism, have you done research on religion?
@Sim0nSays , You do realize the video is about a drug addict describing his hallucinations. Like if I told you that I went everywhere in the universe and saw no God and expected you to believe that that is 100% proof
@Sim0nSays , also "predictions" however general do not make something holy or supernatural. People have predicated many new technologies and surly they arnt all "gods." Also the shjt there is so general it's obvious that when interpreting it loosely it's always "somewhat" true
@Sim0nSays , like if I told you "someday you'll find love then immediate regret." Loosely interpret that and it's guaranteed to come true
@Sim0nSays , and I never spoke to you of creationism, that's the religious crap. And I have done research on it, which is why I can so easily refute it
Huh, I wonder which bible he's talking about. Can't be the Christian bible
@The Silver Shroud, don't know about you guys, but Unkle77 is downvoting a lot of my comments. Upvotes for you all!
@The Silver Shroud, isn't that the only one that's called a bible?. However it's irrelevant as their all written by man. Story's to control the populace who'd have thought it would last this long?
@IQhunter, of course it is written by man.. Half of the books are named after who wrote them. You know that right?
@IQhunter, it was the inspired word of God through man. And if you read most of it(like me) most of the bible is just history and stories being recorded. But if you think it was written to control the populace (by different men and prophecies over thousands of years all saying and preaching the SAME thing which is love, peace and mercy) then that's your prerogative.
@Nigel Powers, on a side note if you say orange with your lips closed it sounds like gullible..
@IQhunter, *says orange with lips close* "DAMMIT!"
"It's almost as if selecting portions of a text make it easy to misrepresent the entire thing. Weird." - Djcky Gerbilus
@RustyFapwagon, so we should just ignore those sections exist? Just pretend the racism and bigotry in them isent there even though it has caused so much pain and suffering from people following the bible
@IdeasAreHard, no thanks I dont want to circle jerk. Just wanted to make a joke about dudes joke. Appreciate the offer though
@IdeasAreHard, he's right though. A lot of them are just cherry picked to make the bible look racist, or its just as simple as it is from a different time and place, and customs were different.
@The Silver Shroud, the flaw in that is god is claimed to be all powerful, all seeing and a loving good, however even if these sections are a minority if god is what he claims to be, and the another time argument is used, why would a god allow such a time or create such a time. Also they may be cherry picked to make it look bad but when the bible has and still does cause bigotry that is somewhat irrelevant as those sections still have an impact on the followers
@IdeasAreHard, saying or claiming the Christian God is a loving one is a mistake, don't forget he caused plagues and flooded the whole of earth in the old testament, however many of the "bigotry" stuff in the Bible is mostly in the old testament. God sent his son to die for all sins, including the ones mentioned in the old testament, so I would like to think it isn't really a sin to be homosexual or anything :)
@IdeasAreHard, that's a common question. "Why would God let bad things happen?"
In a simple answer, free will. I'll do my best to explain.
Let's say you have a child. You keep that child locked in a padded room. He has toys, food, videogames, comics.. Everything he could possibly want. He never knew there was any life besides that. He is yours to control because ultimately, he thinks that is the only option for his life. Sure, it seems nice. But is he choosing that life? Or did you choose it for him?
Then there's the other child. You set rules, and he is expected to obey them, although you don't actively enforce them. He has the choice to study, or go play with his friends. But since you allowed him to play outside and he falls and scrapes his knee, does he blame you for letting him play outside?
God wants us to choose to love him. Not be forced to love him.
@The Silver Shroud, I never asked why god let's bad things happen, I asked why he tells people doing bad things is right
@IdeasAreHard, the bible is never a direct cause of hatred or bigotry. That is people. They are flawed, not God. The bible says to love your neighbor. To treat them as you would wish to be treated. To always give when asked. To turn the other cheek when attacked verbally or physically, and respond with kindness and love. Do people always follow that? No. I don't. Will people twist and manipulate the bible to what they believe is correct? Well of course.
@IdeasAreHard, what bad things does he tell people? It is most likely a misunderstanding or out of context.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, he's a very loving God. But he is also Just and firm. And homosexuality IS a sin, but all sins are forgiven. And we all sin pretty close, if not equally to the same amount. I personally don't have anything against homosexuality, and I don't try to shame it. But I completely understand the misconception that people think God dislikes gays. (Not saying you think that)
@The Silver Shroud, I believe this as well, hence my comment. It's just many people choose to think because of the old testament text and some of the more radical religious members (WBBC) that "God hates gays" or w/e.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, I personally believe wbbc are a group set out with a common goal to make everyone hate Christians. No person with a shred of morals could think that way.
@The Silver Shroud, amen lol
@The Silver Shroud, Leviticus 20:13, If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Find me a context that makes that section aceptable
@IdeasAreHard, It simply is not reasonable to believe the author of Leviticus intended to prohibit a form of homosexual relationship that did not exist at the time. When read in textual and historical context, the prohibitions in Leviticus 18 and 20 are clearly directed at homosexual temple prostitution, and that is how they should be applied.
Some people may object, saying, “But if you ignore the context and just read the words of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 in black and white, they appear to prohibit all sex between men, not just sex in pagan rituals.” But that is the whole point: The meaning of words depends on context. Remember, the words of 1 Corinthians 11 also appear to require long hair and head coverings for all women in all circumstances. But, because we have studied the context, we know that is not what was meant.
It wasn't just a man with a loving relationship with another man, it was literally giant family and gay orgies. These rules along with others were set in place to
@IdeasAreHard, prevent what happened with the Cannites (nasty cultist's)
@The Silver Shroud, the bible says nothing about it being a sin if a homosexual couple has a long lasting, loving relationship with Christian morals.
@IdeasAreHard, but, the point I'm making is, The Leviticus passages were clearly written in the context of pagan religious ritual. Since we are not bringing a question about the appropriateness of cultic sex practices for modern Christians, we can safely set aside these clobber passages. (It also only affected a certain area)
@IdeasAreHard, ok here's your context. God created everything, including me and you and everything around us. You don't believe this because you don't accept that there is a god. In creating eveeything, God also created justice. Isn't that the same thing that governments do? If I decide that killing someone is perfectly just, but my government says it's not, then I risk being put to death if I decide to do it anyways. Why? Because my decisions affect other people. Although being homosexual is not a sin in itself because some people are simply born that way, homosexual acts are. The reason these people were to be put to death is because these were God's people at the time. They were expected to be pure as a whole and if someone did something that God deemed unjust then that could spread to the entire people. So that's the context. Just because we may disagree with something, if you don't accept that God is all powerful and is allowed to make these kind of calls then you won't derstand
@The Silver Shroud, I'm curious as to what makes you say it is written in context of pagan religious ritual. Read it and don't really see that context, not trying to disprove you just wanting to learn.
@silokel, I feel bad for silver shroud as he has to be associated with people like you. You've done 3 things wrong here. 1 assume I'm not religious in any way all I've been saying is that we can't just ignore the bad parts of the bible. 2. Forced your religion but straight up claiming god as a fact not a belief. And 3. In short what you said was god created people who he wants killed for being alive and he can do that because he is god, rather then providing context such as shroud did which showed that that was not even the case and god only wanted those involved in ritualistic homosexuality to be punished
@Mortimer Smith Sr, I'd look it up online. Basically, the Cannites believed in things relating to acquiring immortality by implanting semen into a pagan priest. These rituals of vitality would include aunts, children, mother's, father's, and other siblings as well as randoms. Some pretty sick cultish stuff going on.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, it actually if you google it, there is a lot more to it then just one tiny sentence its like a whole chapter or whatever, but its really different interpretations and hard to say what's right because of all the translation. A direct translation is just complete jiberish due to the complex nature of languages meaning there is a lot to be lost and misinterpreted or misread
@Mortimer Smith Sr, check out Leviticus studies
@The Silver Shroud, OK shroud so like you've done your best to be civil and give genuinely helpful answers which is why I feel sorry for you because then idiots like silokel here come along and just force the god can do what he wants cus he can. But thanks for the conversation anyway
@The Silver Shroud, @IdeasAreHard, yeah I read the chapter but didn't really catch the whole cannites thing, maybe I read it too fast lol. I'll reread it
@Mortimer Smith Sr, I like to study online about the scripture as well. About the time period and location really helps you get a good viewpoint
@IdeasAreHard, I'll talk anytime about God. And hey, be nice.
@Mortimer Smith Sr, homosexuality is a sin my good sir, but if you love Jesus and believe he is your savior then he forgives you bro. He knows we're all flawed in our own ways and we all sin, and no sin is greater than another. So you're gucci :D
@The Silver Shroud, Christians...UNITE! *sword toward sky*
@The Silver Shroud, I'm a bit said your intelligent, well thought out and well said comments are not at the top to be read by all. But hey you can't win them all
@The Silver Shroud, in regards to your example about the children: why is it that if my child is following the rules, but another breaks them, he must be punished? So relating this to the real world, someone would be caring and compassionate about everyone around them, but they randomly get cancer. That just doesn't seem right to me.
@IdeasAreHard, well there are two major sections, the second to fix the first. The second is about forgiveness, which has been corrupted by people who had absolute power. Those people have caused the misery. Inquisition, witch trials, crusades, sexism - not teachings of Jesus. The homophobia has been all over the world and not restricted to religions. Christianity was peaceful until Constantine co-opted it for Roman Empire - ya think folks would see the difference before and after and reject the corruption of Roman power. It has only been the popes (some of) post ww2 who have tried to roll it back. Then since Christianity was co-opted to Rome - the long time enemy of Persian and Arab areas, it was only a matter of time before something like Islam arose to offer a moral guideline for the middle east. Without some guideline it is just might makes right - we have never accepted Darwism survival of the fittest for a standard of justice.
@Sweet or Sour, nobody said Darwinians survival of the fittest is a good standard of justice, that is simply how nature works. You also should not need some outside power to help you decipher right from wrong. And like if we really want to take things down to the core the whole Christian religion is designed to use fear to control people and there's not a whole lot more to it. I mean people look at Scientology and go how could you believe that craziness but most regions started the same way and use similar tactics
@natedagr8, well, it's not like God sits atop his cloud of big meanie throwing lighting bolts at people (that's Zeus, he's a jerk) God is a being of amazing power and knowledge. Think of it as we are small children compared to him, because we could never even start to understand his power. So, while we have that viewpoint, it's safe to say that when you're a kid, daddy always seems to know best. Well.. That's like God. His judgement, although it may seem unfair to you, is extremely thought out. (Plus, I don't if you're nice but not Christian, you go to hell. Not everyone was witnessed to or exposed to Jesus in a way they can understand better, and the bible already says that those people will go as long as they lead a life of light instead on darkness.)
@IdeasAreHard, you should fear God. He is a force to be feared. But should that fuel why you wish to discover God? No. The bible speaks much more about how Jesus loved and helped everyone, and should love everyone, way way more than they talked any hell. the scare tactics, that's people doing that.
@IdeasAreHard, also, just adding in that Leviticus is rules only for the Israelites in one temple. God was present frequently in the temple and to keep his presence the place had to be kept holy. Sin was punished severely only there.
@The Silver Shroud, it also didn't say anything about beastiality if there is a long lasting loving relationship with Christian morals. Arguements from silence are classic fallacies not to be relied upon for extrapolation or proofs.
@Sweet or Sour, Deuteronomy 27:21 agrees, “Cursed is the man who has sexual relations with any animal.”
Also, none of the animals were “suitable” for Adam (Genesis 2:20). Second, bestiality represents the ultimate of sexual deviancy. The fact that the animal was to be put to death (Leviticus 20:15-16), despite the fact that it would be “innocent,” indicates how wickedly perverse bestiality is. Third, and perhaps most importantly, bestiality essentially denies the uniqueness of humanity which God created in His image (Genesis 1:27). Bestiality lowers humanity to nothing more than an animal, a beast which is unable to distinguish right from wrong, natural from unnatural, love from lust.
It's clear in more ways than one, not to do so at all regardless. Whereas the homosexual verse, was intended only for the Temple
@Sweet or Sour, the Israelites, which was required to keep holy.
@The Silver Shroud, Deuteronomy / Leviticus says nothing about Christian relationships so... still from silence about Christ's intent and as clear as Leviticus 20:13 which is not in context of priest in altar rules so sex with man there has death penalty same as beastiality.
@Sweet or Sour, okay, so what I say won't matter. That's what I've gathered from this. This conversation is over. Try doing a little independent research
@The Silver Shroud, actually I did just did do research off what you said and I saw flaws in your logic, which I had not actually been looking for. It seems more like, what I say does not matter to you. So goodnight is fine.
@The Silver Shroud, well if the bible's perfect you should encourage people to cherry pick because nothing will be wrong
@IdeasAreHard, the Christian religion started out entirely opposite of what you think, much more aligned with Amish and Mennonites. Fear came later, when the church had aquired too much power from Ceaser. That was the beauty of the first amendment. Religion can do so much for humans if it is not corrupted with power. Actually humans really do need someone to teach them right from wrong. We have a strong ability to learn. Teachers know this very well, but their ability to teach right from wrong has been compromised by bad parents whose kids "can't do wrong" and ill conceived rules that knowingly punish the innocent in the name of fairness.
@Sweet or Sour, yea but some concepts have been there from the start such as the if you don't join us you will spend eternity suffering in hell. That whole thing just seems rather contrived to me. A punishment of which there is no evidence is real and yet the fear of it governs the actions of countless people
@IdeasAreHard, a much lesdor threat than if you do not join us we will kill you now, which was the norm and is still practiced now. So how do you teach your kids of dangers that they do not comprehend? People still have experiences of of coming back from being dead, talking to loved ones. If today people still cannot prove if a soul exists somehow after death or not, it is pretty judgmental to presume a contrived intention 2000 years ago. If a soul survives and people who know they have done wrong are tortured by their conscience while alive, why would not continue after death? Why are humans the only life form that shows evidence of worship. Why? The closest is wolves howling at the moon. We have identified the building blocks of life but do not know why life occurs. 2500 years ago they could not describe the complexity of nature because the ways to see it & the words to describe it did not exist.
@Sweet or Sour, yea and even the whole idea of a soul even goes against what we can observe, if souls did exist and defined who you are then why can brain damage alter a persons personality in drastic ways
@IdeasAreHard, for pondering, why do higher life forms predominately die quickly where lower order die slowly even in complete severing in half. Soul concept is intriguingly in human groups around the world, not differently as some other concepts. As to brain damage (which is an excellent question) I have always viewed a soul as throughout the body and afflicted by whatever injuries the body suffers (thus death would be a release from those afflictions). Your locally available priest/minister may vary.
@Sweet or Sour, oh that is a simple question. The more complex a species is the harder it is to be sustained. There are microscopic organisms that are immortal because of how simple they are, lizards can re grow their tails because the DNA is simple. Humans are extremely complex so injury's are harder to repair, also there is an evolutionary advantage in dying after you are no longer able to provide as recorces can be scarce
@Sweet or Sour, aging is also a large factor which varies greatly from species to species. Wolfs must age rapidly because of the dangers they face but this also means that they die much quicker due to the rapid aging, humans live relatively long compared to other complex organisms partly due to a slower aging process. You are generally considered fully matured at about 20yrs old compared to wolfs which take only a couple of years. There is very little danger to trees and their simple structure means their are trees that are literally thousands of years old
@IdeasAreHard, that is incorrect, lizard Dna is in the ball park of humans and mudpuppy salamanders have six times as many base pairs. We actually have comparable Dna related to regeneration but ours is turned off. Many lizards also have microchromosomes. Angiosperms have the most complex Dna.
@Sweet or Sour, yes but they can't grow all of themselves, just the tail. The tail is a simple part
@IdeasAreHard, was referring to the instance of death not aging. Trees lives vary more by species than most genomes, some only live a few years. Not useful for considering possible evidences of souls/proto-souls.
@IdeasAreHard, and yet scientists see the Dna parts as able to regrow any organs - not all lizard Dna is active either. Also humans have some organs like adnoids that can regrow.
@IdeasAreHard, sorry must go for now
@RustyFapwagon, tfw you make a 2 day circle jerk with a joke
Well.....he's not wrong
Hey Ricky Gervais, go fock yourself.
He forgot to mention the lack of editors judging by how poorly it's written
"Anywhere else... Splat."
I didn't say it was a disability, but meant for the parallels of them being born-with conditions. There's really no need to nit pick.
And the vocal minorities do indeed suck, and are present in just about every group. They just make things harder for the rest of us =(
Imagine if you followed that book's teachings and illuminated crime and STD's.