Immigration is fine. However, immigrants who come to America need to have ideologies that are compatible with Western values. All immigrants should understand that American law is the only law to follow, and the more immigrants you let in the more difficult this task of vetting out the dangerous ones becomes.
@averagestuckpixluser, I mean, if you're talking about Syrian refugees, that's like the most rigorous screening process there is when it comes to immigration. And there are plenty of terrorists in the U.S. right now who aren't immigrants.
@ieatu, hahahaha!!! No it isn't.
The director of the FBI said, under oath, that we do not have the intel to verify anyone's identity from Syria.
@talmet, it isn't about verifying identity. Identities can be forged.
@talmet, even if everything went perfectly, a Syrian refugee would still have to wait months to get into the U.S. Unlike, say, a European. Like the ones that perpetrated the Paris bombings.
@averagestuckpixluser, you're more likely to die from a bee sting than get killed by a terrorist in the US. Maybe you should give American western value lessons to bees, the stripy honey worshipping b*stards
@ieatu, I'm sorry but your ignorance is giving me a headache. The Paris attacks were committed by French guys of North African origin, not Syrians. Why don't you actually read articles rather skimming headlines on Fox News?
@ieatu, are you saying the vetting process is good, or bad?
If we can't verify identities, we can't vet them.
What a collosally stupid statement. You're more likely to die by car accident than by skydiving. Fine. You have no point. The reason we are talking about immigration and not bee attacks is because that is what the picture is about. Your attempts to downplay the issue are irrelevant. The point about Western values is not localized to violent terrorism either. Immigrants need to understand that regardless of cultural practice or religion, secular law overules all when there is a conflict. Also, a man with bad ideas has far more potential to be damaging to large groups of people than bees do, which are usually isolated to a few people or individuals. Finally, to the best of my ability I can take personal precautions against being killed by bees, especially if I am aware I am allergic. You'll have a much more difficult time protecting yourself from an angry man with a bomb in an open square.
Also the information I've seen regarding bee deaths vs terrorism always seems to start recording after 9/11. How convenient. The scale shifts rather obviously to the other side when you include a certain date.
Who came here legally unlike... 🐸🍷but that's none of my business
@Mr Roboto Tits, Exactly. I would be okay with millions and millions of people coming in if they just get tested for disease and get finger printed.
@Mr Roboto Tits, yup. It's not that I don't like immigrants it's that we sacrifice security for political correctness
@Mr Roboto Tits, I'm sure the native Americans would totally agree with you
@Mr Roboto Tits, frog, wine... The French? :P
@Sceptical Historian, ok this just really pissed me off. My great grandmother is 75% "native american" and most of the people in her tribe choose to move on with life and be Amercans. They do not gripe and complain. Yes it was a crappy time in the history of America. It happened a long time ago. No one in any country in the world can claim to be the "original" inhabitants. And as far as the treatment of "native americans" today, a good portion of that is self-inflicted. There is an abundance of income from casinos, and there are opportunities to be part of society, if a group chooses to stay somewhere and live in Adobe huts, then that was a choice. So let's move on from the past and GET OVER IT. We have enough issues in the world, without bringing up issues that NONE of us were alive for.
@Mr Roboto Tits, there is no way to come here legally anymore. You should look up the process that we have now, it's ridiculous
@tv turtle 2025, actually we don't. It's nearly impossible to become a citizen now
@Sceptical Historian, they never claimed the land
@tv turtle 2025, not really it's pretty easy to come over actually, marry an American citizen, or get a visa here and take the test, I agree some of the questions are unnecessary but it's designed that way so only people who want to put in the effort can stay. And you get years to study for the test and you get to know what questions are on the test.
@Jfosh, After using this app for about 2 years nothing made me wanna make an account more than your ignorance. As a Native American who spent about 12 years on a Rez before we "moved on," I'm pretty sure I know a hell of a lot more about the Rez-life than you ever will. You really think that "a good portion" is self-inflicted? You do realize that less than 100 years ago MOST natives were still FORCED to live on a Rez of some kind, and their children had to go to boarding schools to learn the white culture, where if they spoke their native language they were beaten. You know that right? You think it's just that easy to move from the Rez? Kids start drinking at 13 and are alcoholics or drug addicts by the the time they're old enough to move from their houses because their parents did that from theirs and so on. The cops in the towns around a Rez are racist and will do anything to give a dark skinned native a ticket.
@Jfosh, people's friends and families still live on the Rez. There are less rules and regulations on the Rez (don't need a hunting license and stuff). Leaving the Rez is waaaaaay more difficult than you think. And money from the casinos? Only a handful of tribes are lucky enough to have successful casinos, and most if not all have corrupt officials handling the casinos. How can you say "get over it?" Over 99% of the native population was wiped off the face of the earth so that the white man could have another place to call home, and then treated the surviving natives worse than slaves. Now, how about you go and educate yourself, before you go off on a rant spouting stuff you know absolutely nothing about and look like a racist f**k...
@Seneca, I know from talking and interacting with family that lived it. And yes it sucked. But they moved on. I never said it was right. I never said it was good. But there is NOTHING forcing someone to stay in that environment. I've visited some family that still lives in that environment. They choose to stay and continue tradition, for the most part. Yes the small town cops around there are ridiculous, but guess what? You can leave. Or do something to change it. Regardless of how you, or I, feel, blaming any of what happened 100 years ago, on people today is pointless. All it does is breed hate and malice.
@Jfosh, so everything I just said went over your head... I knew I shouldn't have bothered...
@Seneca, no. None of it went over my head. There are issues in this country. There are issues in every state and county. And as you yourself said, staying on the reservation has benefits. There are tradeoffs. I get sick and tired of people acting like every single American handed disease infected blankets to someone. There are bad people in the world. And I'm sorry there is an alcohol issue, but someone has to break that cycle if you expect it to change.
@BlazingBowman, what in the world? What year do you think it is? My friend was here for twelve years attending college. Got a PhD in aerospace engineering. Has been on Fox News, the BBC, and NBC. He was deported back to Malaysia because he was no longer a student. He tried to get his green card and stay in America and be a citizen. He has to wait years before he can be a citizen now. He had started a company over here and now it's just going to die off. It hasn't been easy to be a citizen for decades
@Jfosh, well then don't sit there and say what you said, cuz it's literally the opposite. And not one native that I have ever known has any problem with every white person, only the racist politicians who go back on the words of older politicians (like Kinzua Dam and Bush)
@Seneca, I agree with jfosh, the same can be said for African Americans, who feel confined in there bad neighbor hoods, but a lot of the time they choose to leave and live a useful life(or at least some). We shouldn't be delving on the past. My friend who is Native American, told me about the life he lived on the rez, he told me it sucked so much, a lot of the time they didn't have access to clean water, and that the adults would drink on days on end. So guess what, him and his family left. No one is telling you that you have to live there. Otherwise you are using the same broken mentality that people in the "hood" use to justify there lifestyle.
@Seneca, rule number 1 Never trust a politician. There is always an agenda or an ulterior motive. Yes I feel for the people. My cousins choose to leave to go find careers off the reservation. They have families and lives away from there. It became a cluster because there were no jobs availible on the reservation, but no way for companies to come in. They are both considered "black sheep" although that's not the phrase they used. I do not know the answer to the problems. And I am not condoning the destruction of a culture. Good luck in life.
@Mr Roboto Tits, there was no "legal" or "illegal" back then. Try again
@Jfosh, so I'm gonna preface this by saying im a white male who is starting to get pretty sick of some of the extreme political correctness in this country, but what you are saying is incredibly privelaged and arguably pretty racist. Just because one person (your grandma) chose not to fight an unwinnable battle against the US government does not mean that her entire race has not been dicked over and over again by this country. America is a fantastic country and an amazing place to live, but its also made a lot of mistakes, one of which is its treatment of native americans. You cant possibly be so narcissistic that you expect the hollow shell of native american civilization to just "move on" because its inconvenient or annoying for you to hear about problems you did not directly cause.
@Thestinkycheeseman, I never said anything about hearing about it. I get sick and tired if the whole "Give the land back" crap. And for the record nearly 80% of native americans do NOT live on reservations. I never said get rid of heritage. I never said forget who you are. But I also don't think scalping should be allowed. So yes some things need to be left behind.
@Sceptical Historian, there's a difference between illegally sneaking into a country to live there and conquering half a continent. If Mexico declares war on the US your snarky quip might be relevant, but until then shut up and let the adults talk
@Jfosh, Are you serious? "Scalping"? Dude, you're a fvcking racist.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , I was giving reference to a very real part of history. But since you are a child I'll leave you to your fantasies that such things never happened. I was just illistrating that some things should pass away. But if it makes you feel big go ahead and call someone you've never met a racist.
@TotalBull, You really think anyone can just up and leave the hood? After hundreds upon hundreds of years of purposefully being put at a socioeconomic disadvantage and being convinced that if you are less than white you are less than human you think that oppressed people can just walk away from their situations?
@KeKesUHaulFacility , yes, I did it When I left my country and moved to the US, and were I lived is far worse than any hood in the US.
@Jfosh, Nah man, only a racist would bring up scalping during a discussion on the systemic disadvantages put upon indigenous people. You got some bad stuff swirling around in ya, gotta clear it out, burn some sage or something.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , not so much. It's funny how some things from history are acceptable to discuss, but others are racist. Do you actually know anything about scalping? Or is it just racist because you say so? What about Chinese railroads? Are those racist? I mean how many people died during that? Or would it be racist to discuss that black people owned slaves too? Apparently anything uncomfortable is racist. So let's all go burn some sage and watch the world burn.
@Jfosh, If it's a conversation about native war tactics, go ahead and discuss scalping. If you're talking about Chinese exploitation in the American west have at it. If you wanna have a real talk about white imposed power dynamics within the African American community then by all means. But if you're talking about something completely different and you bring up that kind of caricature as a weak derailment tactic then yes honey, you're racist.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , I was simply bringing in something that was dramatic that showed some things should pass away. And scalping was not just a war tactic. We live in a melting pot. That means some things pass away and others get blended into culture. If I said get rid of face painting it wouldn't be pertinent. And for the record Europeans scalped too. At the end of the day we are all people. And until we realize that we have differences, but can still live in the same place, things are going to suck.
@Jfosh, And why does everyone have to forget where they came from for your comfort anyway? If native people want to remember all the shjt their ancestors went through at the hands of greedy white settlers then what's wrong with that? Besides the fact that your feelings get hurt? Oh right, nothing, there's nothing wrong with that. Because all kinds of people often use that kind of remembrance as a tool of empowerment and strength, but I guess you wouldn't get that.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , when did I ever say forget it? There is a huge difference in not doing something and forgetting something. I don't care what you do, I don't care how you want to live. Just don't blame me if you choose to live that way. That was the whole point from the get go. I guess it went so far over your head that you didn't even see it. And for the love of God stop acting like people today caused the things that happened before we were alive. Remember what happened so we do not repeat it. Do not use it like a club to bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.
@Jfosh, Also you should know how much indigenous people were forced to just "let it go". Their languages, their customs, their stories, their religions, their hair for goodness sake! As far as I'm concerned native people can hold onto whatever the hell they want to at this point, they have earned that much, paid for it in blood.
@Jfosh, "Let's move on from the past and GET OVER IT" is pretty much synonymous with forget it
@Jfosh, I was referring to the whole "Give the land back" thing. And with that I'm done because no matter what I say it will be twisted or turned. Good luck in life and have a good one.
@Vaston, I get the whole tested for disease thing, but finger printed? We honestly don't even have a reliable fingerprint record for most natural born citizens now.
@The Doctor Horrible, I think just having as much basic info on the millions let in would do well to find the ones who might end up creating crime. Even if it is after the fact
@Sceptical Historian, THANK YOU
@Jfosh, that's like saying black ppl should get over slavery because we make money from rap music, as a half black half Native American dude that's pretty insulting
@Sceptical Historian, no such thing as "native Americans", they too were immigrants.
@Seneca, so what your saying is that the issues are indeed self-inflicted, got it.
@MEXIKODRO, well since I've already been called a racist today I'm sure this will blow up too, but were you a slave? Did I ever own slaves? Slavery sucked, no one should ever "Own" a human being. But there again blaming an entire group of people based on their skin color (because not everyone with pale skin is part of that "white" group that owned slaves) is racist. There is a difference in getting over something and forgetting something. To get over it means to climb the obstacle and move on. It's still there, but it's not blocking the future. It reminds us what happened and why it should never happen again. But to keep picking up the rock over and over again just keeps us from ever being more than black, white, asian, etc... We are people, not skin colors. That goes both ways for everyone.
@Jfosh, I doubt you're a racist but I'm just saying that "get over it" isn't quite the best way to put it, but I understand where your coming from, and probably came off a bit defensive myself
@KeKesUHaulFacility , yes, it is that easy. The only thing hindering the process is the broken and accepted culture found there. The culture that accepts excuses based on history and props up things like "no snitching". Plenty of black people in the hood can and do get out. But hey, whining about the past should help progress.
@MEXIKODRO, hey at the end if the day we are all people and we all screw up. I just feel like if we would try to live as human beings and treat everyone equal life would be better. The media will turn the whole nation against an entire religion over the actions of some. We are a screwed up society.
@Jfosh, that's the truth 👏
@MEXIKODRO, and I'll concede get over it may be taken wrong. Just been watching international news and can see current events blowing up, but we are too busy being spoon fed trivial crap and I let my frustration turn off my PC filter. Apologies.
@Jfosh, no worries man 👌
@tv turtle 2025, so there is a way then? If it's such a great thing to come to the country, respect it and go through the process no matter how hard it is.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , clearly you are nothing but a self-created victim.
That's not the argument most people just disagree with illegal immigrants, come through the proper channels and your fine.
America started with immigrants for a better life.. Now we still welcome you, we do ask that you become an American citizen. I know, how dare we ask that of anyone
@crimson, actually we don't, it's nearly impossible to become a citizen now. Especially if you aren't white or rich
@tv turtle 2025, it is no easy task, but it can be done. In the end it is worth it. Having money helps, being white is an excuse to why things are easy for some which is not as true as people want to believe
@crimson, It CAN be done, but is extremely difficult. I'm originally from Argentina, but have lived in the U.S. for over 16 years and I'm still struggling to get even a permanent residency ( meaning I've been a temporary resident for 16 years), let alone a citizenship. The immigration system is in dire need of a complete overhaul because as it stands, the only way for me to become a legal citizen, even though I've lived the majority of my life here and consider myself as American as all of my peers.
@Lumix, i wish I could upvote this more. People always assume it's soooo easy and quick to do.
There is a legal way and an illegal way. I know how that can be so complicated for so many morons.
*Watches everyone get trigged*
They took refuge jewbs
@buzz killinton, they took er jewbs.
Idk how autocorrect got refuge in there
@buzz killinton, I thought you were trying to make a correction to the statement lol
@buzz killinton, they took Ma derg
But.. We're the immigrants.
@Devtyro, that's the joke
Immigrants, OK. Illegal immigrants taking advantage of tons of services and giving nothing in costing millions of tax dollars, not OK.
@Tumbleweed, I have family that is here illegally, but have been waiting about 20 years for their resident papers to come in. The government takes money out of their paycheck and taxes them just like everyone else. They have to file taxes like everyone else, except they don't get any of it back at the end of the year. The government gets to pocket that until they become citizens. That also means they work and it doesn't go into their retirement. They also don't qualify for healthcare. I just don't want misinformation spread anymore.
@Suzy Shallow Throat, you're missing my point. Your people sound like they are trying. I'm talking about those who just show up and claim American rights all the while refusing to become American. Which is around 90% of illegal immigrants. Props to your people for doing things right.
Well, wouldn't they be immigrants too? Cause they travelled? HMMMM? What now?
@GoldenShowerr, that's the joke.
@I Poop Often , well shįt. -_-
Shoot me. I don't know how I didn't read this as sarcasm. Christ.
@I Poop Often , I'm dead inside
Conquerors =/= Immigrants