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@UmActually, I can say at my highschool in california there was just recently an incident with a guy who said he was a girl changing in the girls locker room and the school district ultimately said their hands are tied and theres nothing they can do to stop it, i wasnt involved so I dont know all the details but i know it was a big deal with a lot of concerned parents with their daughters
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@Yung Saltine Cracker, I don't mind the bathrooms at all. There are family restrooms and businesses with only one restroom. But I agree that with locker rooms and showers people shouldn't be forced together with someone anatomically different than them. The other thing these laws could do is set a precedent for the legal protection of minority groups that can't be proven or disproven scientifically. If someone feels like they're a girl and is now a protected class and you can't say they are a boy, what's to stop someone from saying I feel like I'm 16 years old to get out of statutory rape? "Transage" is a thing. What's to stop someone from feeling like they are a different ethnicity to apply for black scholarships and then sue the foundation for not being considered? "Transrace" is also a thing. It's just a slippery slope and that's why these new laws need to be clearly thought out and planned to take everyone into consideration instead of being knee-jerk reactions to social movements.
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@I Dexios Divine I, although they can do it in any bathroom, without the laws set someone would typically be alarmed when someone of the opposite gender walks into the restroom. If the laws are to allow it, more people would begin to think nothing of it and it would become easier than it is now to get away with it. We run risk of anyone carrying a camera into the bathrooms or molesting someone of the same gender of course, but setting these laws could potentially bring on even more cases because it's suddenly okay to go into a bathroom if you identify as something else. I really don't care who does what but would be nice to have pictures of hanging genitalia on each bathroom door instead of a man and woman.
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@tumblretard, yet you offer nothing to prove otherwise. First, during my time working retail, I have seen some of the creepy stuff that men have done in and a round women's dressing room and Dr restrooms. It happened too often for my Comfort. Second, talking to lawyers and cops, telling a guy to leave a restroom after he says he is identifying as female could result in a civil rights violation lawsuit.
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@Nipple Demons, when laws start effecting normal people more than criminals, then those laws are stupid. Theres only some much that can be done to prevent crimes, there needs to be more focus on punishing criminals not putting up a bunch of walls that they'll ignore and will only effect those who follow the laws. All this fear mongering over law breaking perverts is blown way to out of proportion. Whats next, no more public bathrooms and just a bunch of single person bathrooms that cost way more to make? Just take your shït and go, if theres some creep doing weird crap go tell the owner of the places and they'll deal with them. This crap is not needed to go to the federal level
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@Gay Rattlesnake , if a lesbian is in the locker room with my daughter, she ain't going to see the lesbian's cock. And a straight man isn't going to pretend to be a lesbian to get in there. So it's not really analogous. In a sense, you're right - the idea that we have separation of the sexes presumes that everyone is straight. But the fact that the situation isn't perfect isn't an excuse to do nothing. Because the end of that logic is that we should only have one locker room for everyone. And most of us don't want that either.
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The problem is that since this has become a social issue. There are more incidents of people peeping into stalls to make sure you are the gender you claim to be. And I've seen one incident of a lesbian having the cops called on her and removed from the bathroom because she was wearing clothes that made her look similar to a guy. Even though she was in the correct bathroom for women. Do you really feel safer now that there are people peeping in your stall to make sure you're the gender you claim to be? See I understand people's concern. But it's not transgender's that they are afraid of being in bathrooms. They are afraid of molesters and sexual predators being in the bathroom. Transgender's just want to use the bathroom. They've been using whatever bathroom they want for years and you never knew it. They are just the ones who are being attacked by people's fears of the real bad people.
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So how does one enforce a law like this? Better yet here is a scenario the women here have probably not considered. Since they tend to do it more frequently than men. When the women's restroom is full and you all sometimes like to go use the men's restroom. It will now be illegal for you to do that where this laws in place. Are you really sure you want the government telling you where you can and cannot use the restroom?
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@jacked the ripped, No, if you were raised by jackasses you would have been told you were trans. You can't decide people's gender for them, that's rude and according to the CDC it's child abuse. If you were raised by people who are into legitimate social justice then they'd buy you a dream house and say "here, go nuts". Ignoring gender roles and being transgender are 2 different things, not mutually exclusive at all, but not the same thing.
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@UmActually, course not. But they're in there for a reason. Have you ever actually been in a women's room? I have, as part of a job when i cleaned bathrooms. Let me put it this way. People who say men's rooms are gross have never been in a women's room. It's the nastiest shït. So even with your pathetic excuse that urinals aren't the only thing in there, there are more reasons why you shouldn't mix them, so stop being retarded
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@UmActually, I can see you lack reading comprehension. It's no fun trying to have a conversation when you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying. If a dude thinks he's a woman, he can either deal with it and go in the men's room, or he can cut off his junk and piss like a woman. In between, he's just a crossdresser
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@Deavas, You're so stupid, it hurts. A person should not have to go to a place where they have a 90% chance of assault. If a person dressed as a woman and presenting as a woman entered the men's restroom, that's more acceptable to you than a biological woman presenting as a man, taking testosterone and all that entering the men's restroom?
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@UmActually, do not. I'm not assaulting anyone. But see the thing that everyone forgets is, if nobody can tell, nobody can enforce the law. So the entire thing is moot. Regardless of what it tries to imply, the post is very much a social issue. So stop making it one and use the bathroom you're equipped to use
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@UmActually, interestingly, dressing more like your sex leads to less likely to be assaulted. Additionally, taking hormones and having surgery and dressing like your preferred gender and going in the opposite bathroom also does this. I'm not really sure what your point is. Either commit to the disorder or treat it.
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@Deavas, Ok, here's the thing, the APA has concluded that being trans is not a mental disability. There is no inherent negative impact on people for being trans. The societal impact and backlash causes the problems. People suffer from depression when they are not accepted. Not accepting them personally causes the depression and suicide, not the very state of being trans. It's the same thing that happened with gay people in the early 50's, they had a higher suicide rate, so psychologists initially thought that homosexuality came with depression, which isn't true, and has never been true.
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@Deavas, I know what you said, I was saying that curing something is pointless if the only negative impacts are societal backlashes. Also the cures are usually just shaming and condemnation, there is no real cure, and it isn't something that psychologists are working on because it isn't a disability. You said disorder, which, by this point, means nothing. Everything is a disorder. Most people 70%+ have anxiety, an actual disability, so cures are being worked at for actual problems. Just let people be. If people didn't condemn them, they wouldn't have the problems they do, this isn't like alcoholism or anything else that leads to worse things.
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@Fluffy Iguana, homosex is no longer a mental disorder in humans because we've evolved past breeding being the only thing we exist for. In animals it is, because then they can no longer reproduce. Trans is not even of the same nature. It's an identity disorder. You think you're the other gender. It's not some magical special snowflake third gender or whatever. And that kind of thinking is rather harmful to them and all sane people
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@Deavas, how is it harmful to other people? The only one affected is the transgendered person itself, and the only way it can harm them is not even by the so-called "disorder" itself, it's by the social stigma that follows. We're not talking about sociopaths, who DO bring harm to society, and have physical origins (malfunctions in the brain). And again, sources. Just because you say it's a psychological disorder doesn't make it so.
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@UmActually, you're incorrect. Here, I'll quote you the report from the American Pediatric Association. No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one… A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V)…
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@Horus, Not really. They originated in factories in the 1940s when women entered the workforce en mass. Factory owners thought having private lady bathrooms would be a draw for the "demure and humblewoman" (according to a pamphlet for a factory targeted at women). Previously, bathrooms were gender neutral.
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Unpopular opinion here, but this transgender stuff is stupid. Who cares. You feel like you're the wrong gender. Deal with it. I feel like I don't have enough money. That doesn't mean the government will allow to grab a small loan of a million dollars from the bank. There has already been instances of men taking advantage of this to film 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS in the bathroom. Things are getting really screwed up. Please make it stop.
These laws are also going to change the rules for locker rooms and showers