These laws are also going to change the rules for locker rooms and showers
@Yung Saltine Cracker, so go take a shower somewhere else?
@Yung Saltine Cracker, if you're really that uncomfortable with it.
@A Studly Muffin, I'm a cracker taking showers gets me too soggy
@A Studly Muffin, you should know that you're a muffin
@Yung Saltine Cracker, I don't think anyone has though of all the other consequences because of this bathroom bill, pretty much anything that's male OR female will be affected
@Yung Saltine Cracker, What laws? The ones passed in Colorado, California, Minnesota and 7 other states that have been on the books for 10+ years?
@Yung Saltine Cracker, and houses. Pretty soon you will be forced by law to allow pedophiles into your home and have them sleep with your children.
@UmActually, those laws are for single person restrooms though, aren't they? Not the multi stall?
@RogueKnight, No, they're for all restrooms.
@RogueKnight, And dressing rooms/ locker rooms.
@UmActually, I can say at my highschool in california there was just recently an incident with a guy who said he was a girl changing in the girls locker room and the school district ultimately said their hands are tied and theres nothing they can do to stop it, i wasnt involved so I dont know all the details but i know it was a big deal with a lot of concerned parents with their daughters
@Yung Saltine Cracker, I don't mind the bathrooms at all. There are family restrooms and businesses with only one restroom. But I agree that with locker rooms and showers people shouldn't be forced together with someone anatomically different than them. The other thing these laws could do is set a precedent for the legal protection of minority groups that can't be proven or disproven scientifically. If someone feels like they're a girl and is now a protected class and you can't say they are a boy, what's to stop someone from saying I feel like I'm 16 years old to get out of statutory rape? "Transage" is a thing. What's to stop someone from feeling like they are a different ethnicity to apply for black scholarships and then sue the foundation for not being considered? "Transrace" is also a thing. It's just a slippery slope and that's why these new laws need to be clearly thought out and planned to take everyone into consideration instead of being knee-jerk reactions to social movements.
@Yung Saltine Cracker, maybe a neutral locker room?
You know sex offenders are totally just waiting for us to change those laws... Their number one priority is probably obeying the law.
@A Studly Muffin, yea that's the issue. I'm against public gender neutral bathrooms because of how easy it makes it for creeps to hide a video camera
@addibruh, theyll do that in any bathroom, the fck
@I Dexios Divine I, yes but now we are enabling them
@addibruh, that makes no sense but okay, just use a normal bathroom then and search for cameras since thats obviously a major problem in our world
@I Dexios Divine I, this was a problem before we had gender neutral bathrooms. The issue is not transgenders here it is perverts
@addibruh, There are 10 states with a policy against restroom discrimination and law enforcement in those states have overwhelmingly said that there was literally no problem with assaults in bathrooms following the passing of the laws.
@UmActually, they had those rules in a university in Toronto and within the first week they had half a does voyeurism related charges
@BadKnight, Source? I've found one from 1999, and the guy broke into a woman's apartment and hid in her personal bathroom, he also hid in the showers in UT, but he didn't claim to be trans or anything like that.
@UmActually, they aren't people who are actually trans, just people who say they are so they can check out the ladies washroom
@BadKnight, Yeah, I understand. There's been only 3 voyeurism charges on UT students since 1999 and they aren't related to the policy.
@A Studly Muffin, can I use this as an argument? That is a solid point
@addibruh, exactly. It wouldn't be wrong for them to be in the same bathroom as women. All they have to say is that they are identifying female and nothing can be done. At least currently the cops can be called and talk to the guy just for being in the woman's restroom.
@I Dexios Divine I, it isn't a major problem... not until it is you daughter or wife that is a victim of it. It happens enough to be a concern.
@A Studly Muffin, well since I'm gay, me and my lesbian friends can go into the bathrooms to peep already, so how come you aren't pushing for separate gay bathrooms
@RogueKnight, Not true. Sexual assault or spying on someone or taking pictures or videos of a person in a restroom or locker room is a crime no matter if the person is supposed to be there or not. This isn't a "Get out of jail free" card for sexual predators.
@UmActually, I'm talking about if they are loitering in the women's restroom, not any of the things you just mentioned. If there is some creeper just hanging out in the restroom, making women and girls uncomfortable, can't do anything about that.
@RogueKnight, Actually, police and business owners can say that to anyone if they've received complaints. If a man is in the men's restroom making people uncomfortable, police and business owners can go and remove him.
@UmActually, for every example there is an equal and opposite counter example. There are plenty of voyeurism charges but if you want to deny any evidence that is contrary to your point then that's on you m8
@addibruh, Unless they were only caught because they were in the wrong bathroom, I don't consider that evidence, because NC's law won't prevent sexual predators from committing crimes any more than gun laws prevent criminals from getting guns.
@RogueKnight, nice appeal to emotion logical fallacy you have there
@I Dexios Divine I, although they can do it in any bathroom, without the laws set someone would typically be alarmed when someone of the opposite gender walks into the restroom. If the laws are to allow it, more people would begin to think nothing of it and it would become easier than it is now to get away with it. We run risk of anyone carrying a camera into the bathrooms or molesting someone of the same gender of course, but setting these laws could potentially bring on even more cases because it's suddenly okay to go into a bathroom if you identify as something else. I really don't care who does what but would be nice to have pictures of hanging genitalia on each bathroom door instead of a man and woman.
@tumblretard, yet you offer nothing to prove otherwise. First, during my time working retail, I have seen some of the creepy stuff that men have done in and a round women's dressing room and Dr restrooms. It happened too often for my Comfort. Second, talking to lawyers and cops, telling a guy to leave a restroom after he says he is identifying as female could result in a civil rights violation lawsuit.
@Nipple Demons, when laws start effecting normal people more than criminals, then those laws are stupid. Theres only some much that can be done to prevent crimes, there needs to be more focus on punishing criminals not putting up a bunch of walls that they'll ignore and will only effect those who follow the laws. All this fear mongering over law breaking perverts is blown way to out of proportion. Whats next, no more public bathrooms and just a bunch of single person bathrooms that cost way more to make? Just take your shït and go, if theres some creep doing weird crap go tell the owner of the places and they'll deal with them. This crap is not needed to go to the federal level
@I Dexios Divine I, all around it's a stupid law. Personally, I don't care what happens but I can see each problem on either end so either way, lose/lose. People need to quit the butthurt and get on with life. It's a goddamn bathroom and a public one at that.
If you are all so concerned about a man claiming to be trans and walking into the women's restroom, how come you don't want gays and lesbians to have separate bathrooms because they can already do the same thing without claiming to be trans
@Gay Rattlesnake , Thank you. I'm not gay so I never wanted to say this, but their reasoning is devoid of logic.
@UmActually, It really is baffling how they think they're clever.
@Gay Rattlesnake , imo, whatever part you have at that time is where you use the restroom. Dress, date, become whatever you want but if you have a penis you are a male in my book
@Gay Rattlesnake , if a lesbian is in the locker room with my daughter, she ain't going to see the lesbian's cock. And a straight man isn't going to pretend to be a lesbian to get in there. So it's not really analogous. In a sense, you're right - the idea that we have separation of the sexes presumes that everyone is straight. But the fact that the situation isn't perfect isn't an excuse to do nothing. Because the end of that logic is that we should only have one locker room for everyone. And most of us don't want that either.
@Toad, trans people already use whatever bathroom they want in most places, sexual offenders pretending to be women hasn't been an issue until people started wanting to take the freedom to use whatever room they want away from them
@Gay Rattlesnake , I honestly don't care about bathrooms. But locker rooms is just nuts.
@KeKesUHaulFacility , So everyone who isn't trans is dumb? Nice generalization there
@Daynste, No, the people who expect everyone to believe they actually care about women and aren't just being blatantly transphobic are dumb, and they think they're very cunning and its strange
But how else are you going to play battleshjts with
@Taquito Speedo, *with your friends
After having my entire lower half of organs destroyed after having my son... I'll pee in a mason jar on the side of the road if I have to... Bladder of a damn gerbil with short term memory.
@SchroedingerPussPuss, go on Amazon and look for something called Aquaflex. It helped my wife a lot.
@Toad, NICE! Thanks :) you probably understand the whole "screw gender bathrooms when the wife has to go NOW"
Its definately not nervous pooer friendly.
I don't think there should be a law on it at all. Individual establishments can make there own decisions on the matter.
The problem is that since this has become a social issue. There are more incidents of people peeping into stalls to make sure you are the gender you claim to be. And I've seen one incident of a lesbian having the cops called on her and removed from the bathroom because she was wearing clothes that made her look similar to a guy. Even though she was in the correct bathroom for women. Do you really feel safer now that there are people peeping in your stall to make sure you're the gender you claim to be? See I understand people's concern. But it's not transgender's that they are afraid of being in bathrooms. They are afraid of molesters and sexual predators being in the bathroom. Transgender's just want to use the bathroom. They've been using whatever bathroom they want for years and you never knew it. They are just the ones who are being attacked by people's fears of the real bad people.
So how does one enforce a law like this? Better yet here is a scenario the women here have probably not considered. Since they tend to do it more frequently than men. When the women's restroom is full and you all sometimes like to go use the men's restroom. It will now be illegal for you to do that where this laws in place. Are you really sure you want the government telling you where you can and cannot use the restroom?
This pic isnt funny. Why is it even on here
transgenderism is out of control. not 12 years ago a girl who liked boy things was just a tomboy. not an actual boy. I don't understand it
@jacked the ripped, Tomboys and transgender boys are 2 different things. Tomboys are girls who like hot wheels, Transgender boys are boys mentally (by way of their brain chemistry), and female physically (genitals, chromosomes, hormones, etc.).
@KeKesUHaulFacility , it's all very foreign to me. I liked barbies when I was a kid. if I was raised by social justice I would've been told I'm trans.
@jacked the ripped, No, if you were raised by jackasses you would have been told you were trans. You can't decide people's gender for them, that's rude and according to the CDC it's child abuse. If you were raised by people who are into legitimate social justice then they'd buy you a dream house and say "here, go nuts". Ignoring gender roles and being transgender are 2 different things, not mutually exclusive at all, but not the same thing.
If you don't have a pen¡s and can't use a urinal, you belong in the other bathroom
@Deavas, Because there are only urinals in the men's restroom.
@UmActually, course not. But they're in there for a reason. Have you ever actually been in a women's room? I have, as part of a job when i cleaned bathrooms. Let me put it this way. People who say men's rooms are gross have never been in a women's room. It's the nastiest shït. So even with your pathetic excuse that urinals aren't the only thing in there, there are more reasons why you shouldn't mix them, so stop being retarded
@Deavas, Nice. I like how you respond with hostility to my logical response to your moronic comment. So bathrooms are seperate because it's a cleanliness thing? Wrong. Bathrooms are seperate because of women entering the workforce during WW2. I've explained it in another comment already.
@UmActually, that's not why they're separate, it's yet another reason why they shouldn't be unseparated. Learn to read
@Deavas, Your reasoning is so simplistic, you only take things at face value.
@UmActually, says the one who decided one point was my entire argument
@Deavas, Start with your stronger point next time.
@UmActually, [no correlation intensifies]
@Deavas, You started with a horrible point then got mad when I didn't take you seriously.
@UmActually, biology is a great point. Here's another: not giving special treatment to a very small group of people with a mental disorder
@Deavas, Except it isn't special treatment, if trans people go into the bathroom they biologically correlate with, their chances of assault skyrocket.
@UmActually, which is why what I originally said still remains relevant. If you have a dîck, feel free to use the room with the urinals
@Deavas, So trans women, who present themselves as women, are supposed to go into the men's room? That's when their chances of assault increase by leaps and bounds.
@UmActually, I can see you lack reading comprehension. It's no fun trying to have a conversation when you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying. If a dude thinks he's a woman, he can either deal with it and go in the men's room, or he can cut off his junk and piss like a woman. In between, he's just a crossdresser
@Deavas, You're so stupid, it hurts. A person should not have to go to a place where they have a 90% chance of assault. If a person dressed as a woman and presenting as a woman entered the men's restroom, that's more acceptable to you than a biological woman presenting as a man, taking testosterone and all that entering the men's restroom?
@UmActually, but anon
Why would they be assault
Is place of pee, not place of social :^)
@Deavas, Because people like you get scared and upset when someone presenting as a man enters the woman's restroom or visa versa.
@UmActually, do not. I'm not assaulting anyone. But see the thing that everyone forgets is, if nobody can tell, nobody can enforce the law. So the entire thing is moot. Regardless of what it tries to imply, the post is very much a social issue. So stop making it one and use the bathroom you're equipped to use
@Deavas, Since I am cis, I already do. But I'm not going to tell people to go into placed where they will get assaulted, that's just ridiculous.
@UmActually, alright, this conversation is over. It's impossible to try and converse with someone who's accepted a title for not being mental disordered. That's more retarded than the entire scenario
@Deavas, And it's equally difficult to convince someone so stupid and stubborn that they might be wrong, good luck beatin' up trans folk for makin' you talk to yer daughter/wife hooooweee
@UmActually, but that's just it. I have considered. And I've decided I'm not. You never have. And you never will. Because people like you never do
@Deavas, I have, but you deny facts. Trans people who go into the bathroom they are biologically assigned have a huge risk of assault, but they don't when they go into the bathroom of the gender they identify as. It's a no-brainer.
@UmActually, interestingly, dressing more like your sex leads to less likely to be assaulted. Additionally, taking hormones and having surgery and dressing like your preferred gender and going in the opposite bathroom also does this. I'm not really sure what your point is. Either commit to the disorder or treat it.
@Deavas, Trans people who use the bathroom of their gender* usually are out, and thus usually dress as their gender. (Psychological definition of gender) So I'm not sure of your point.
@UmActually, then what's the problem
If nobody can tell you're really a dude, why do you care about some law that nobody can ever enforce?
@Deavas, Because you shouldn't have to break the law to feel safe.
@UmActually, it's not about feeling safe though. That's just included. Why not cure yourself? Could save a lot of hassle. Too bad it's the one disorder that you're not allowed to treat unless they want to be, and even then you'd have people yelling at them how dare they do that
@Deavas, Ok, here's the thing, the APA has concluded that being trans is not a mental disability. There is no inherent negative impact on people for being trans. The societal impact and backlash causes the problems. People suffer from depression when they are not accepted. Not accepting them personally causes the depression and suicide, not the very state of being trans. It's the same thing that happened with gay people in the early 50's, they had a higher suicide rate, so psychologists initially thought that homosexuality came with depression, which isn't true, and has never been true.
@UmActually, I'm not going to read that because the first thing you said was disability and I have only said disorder this entire time. I know you lack reading comprehension but this is three strikes and you're out. Thanks for playing, until the next trans post comes along!
@Deavas, I know what you said, I was saying that curing something is pointless if the only negative impacts are societal backlashes. Also the cures are usually just shaming and condemnation, there is no real cure, and it isn't something that psychologists are working on because it isn't a disability. You said disorder, which, by this point, means nothing. Everything is a disorder. Most people 70%+ have anxiety, an actual disability, so cures are being worked at for actual problems. Just let people be. If people didn't condemn them, they wouldn't have the problems they do, this isn't like alcoholism or anything else that leads to worse things.
@UmActually, "gender is a social construct, but you can be born the wrong one!"
@Deavas, Gender, psychologically and sociologically, is a social construct, biological sex is not.
@UmActually, I'm aware of that. Well you're 0 for 4. If strikes were balls this would be a gay orgy. I think ima dip out now. I don't want to catch lack of reading comp
@Deavas, You are the dumbest person I have ever typed to. You say things, then when I correct you, you just say I don't understand. See you, really glad that I'm not you.
@UmActually, and you think you've corrected me when all you've done is restate my point and say you win
@Deavas, Says solution to trans people is to look for a cure for something that isn't even a psychological disorder.
@Fluffy Iguana, it's a mental disorder. I've said that like 3 or 4 times already
@Deavas, Um, sources?
It's not. Saying transgendered people have a psychological disorder is like saying homosexuals have a psychological disorder.
As in, it is no way true.
@Fluffy Iguana, homosex is no longer a mental disorder in humans because we've evolved past breeding being the only thing we exist for. In animals it is, because then they can no longer reproduce. Trans is not even of the same nature. It's an identity disorder. You think you're the other gender. It's not some magical special snowflake third gender or whatever. And that kind of thinking is rather harmful to them and all sane people
@Deavas, how is it harmful to other people? The only one affected is the transgendered person itself, and the only way it can harm them is not even by the so-called "disorder" itself, it's by the social stigma that follows. We're not talking about sociopaths, who DO bring harm to society, and have physical origins (malfunctions in the brain).
And again, sources. Just because you say it's a psychological disorder doesn't make it so.
@Fluffy Iguana, to hammer the point further, the reason why transgenderism isn't a biological disorder is because it stems from a biological cause related to genetics, brain makeup or hormone exposure.
It can't be cured because THERE IS NO CURE
@Fluffy Iguana, *psychological.
Excuse the typo.
@UmActually, you're incorrect. Here, I'll quote you the report from the American Pediatric Association.
No one is born with a gender. Everyone is born with a biological sex. Gender (an awareness and sense of oneself as male or female) is a sociological and psychological concept; not an objective biological one…
A person’s belief that he or she is something they are not is, at best, a sign of confused thinking. When an otherwise healthy biological boy believes he is a girl, or an otherwise healthy biological girl believes she is a boy, an objective psychological problem exists that lies in the mind not the body, and it should be treated as such. These children suffer from gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria (GD), formerly listed as Gender Identity Disorder (GID), is a recognized mental disorder in the most recent edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association (DSM-V)…
@Fluffy Iguana, according to the American Pediatric Association, you're incorrect. See my post with a quote from their report above.
@UmActually, for their full report: http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
@Fluffy Iguana, it's a mental disorder just like anxiety or depression. Brain chemistry is messed up. And you're gonna tell them they're perfectly fine. Of course it's social, you're telling them disorder has a negative stigma. You're making them less normal then they would be by alienating them
Maybe because there are biological reasons for having gendered bathrooms in the first place?
@Horus, Not really. They originated in factories in the 1940s when women entered the workforce en mass. Factory owners thought having private lady bathrooms would be a draw for the "demure and humblewoman" (according to a pamphlet for a factory targeted at women). Previously, bathrooms were gender neutral.
Wait where's the funny?
Unpopular opinion here, but this transgender stuff is stupid. Who cares. You feel like you're the wrong gender. Deal with it. I feel like I don't have enough money. That doesn't mean the government will allow to grab a small loan of a million dollars from the bank. There has already been instances of men taking advantage of this to film 11 YEAR OLD GIRLS in the bathroom. Things are getting really screwed up. Please make it stop.
Didn't Stephen Colbert say this?
Dropping some mattress off at the pool would not feel as comfortable knowing there's a bird in the next cubicle rubbing one out... 👂☝️
@IQhunter, Because you'd be comfortable knowing a man was rubbing one out next to you in the cubicle.
Interesting. I've been to Colorado, and have friends there. They have only seen men's rooms and women's rooms.
@RogueKnight, Yeah, but trans people can go where they identify. Trans-excepting bathroom policy does not mean gender neutral bathrooms.