So here's how I see this, take it as you will. The 4 year old kid's parents are dumba$$es and should not have taken their eyes off their kid. The kid was scared and it was making the gorilla agitated, which is natural for an animal. If they shot him with tranquilizers, he might have gotten more agitated and accidentally or intentionally killed the kid. Therefore, in order to ensure the safety of the kid, they didn't have any choice but to shoot the gorilla. It was an unfortunate circumstance but it was a human's life vs a gorilla's life and I believe the zoo made the right choice. If you're going to blame someone for the death of the gorilla, blame the kid's parents for their negligence. Just think about how much more outrage there would be if the kid had gotten killed and the zoo hadn't shot the gorilla. Thank you for becoming better informed about the situation by reading this.
@Bomb The Russians, so a humans life is worth more than a gorillas?
I just wanna start this argument for the entertainment btw.
@Bomb The Russians, plus it seems like a lot of people here don't have the full story, the gorilla tossed the kid around and dragged him across water by his ankle. I don't understand where people are getting information about it "protecting him" or "raising him as its own"
@Bomb The Russians, I'm glad I'm not the only one to think this way in this "always someone else's fault" world. Good to see someone with the same attitude as responsibility as me.
@Bomb The Russians, well put. Thanks
@wulfzen, I see it as survival of the fittest. A humans life isnt worth more than any other life. The kids parents were bad enough caretakers to allow this to have happened.
@Bomb The Russians, I agree but also there shouldn't have been a gap big enough for a small child to get it, the zoo should have had better security fences.
@Bomb The Russians, 100% agree with you
@wulfzen, yes a human life is worth more than a gorilla
@Bomb The Russians, my thinking is such, let the child die. He could one day grow up to be a serial killer or destroy the world. The gorilla is just a gorilla. Jk, I don't care either way, stay out of zoos.
@Bomb The Russians, saying that the parents are dumbasses isn't helping anyone get informed either though. The parents were watching the kid (and alot of others) and they looked away for like 5 seconds and that's when the whole thing happened. People are making it seem like the parents just didn't give a sh*t which isn't the case either. No one is 100% at fault here people just want someone to blame I think. The rest of what you said is true though
@Bomb The Russians, the gorilla was looking after the kid and protecting it. It even helped it stand in the water. I believe there was a better solution than killing an already declining animal
@Thatbright, actually the parents have previous neglect charges and all the mom had to say was accidents happen
@MrJojo, because the media only showed edited footage to show him being peacfull
@Bomb The Russians, either way. If that gorilla killed the kid, knowing humans, we'd probably euthanize the Gorilla. So.. as upset as I am that the Gorilla was killed, it might've ended with two lives lost and not just one.
@AlwaysWatching, the parents are getting charged. Whilst it is massively unfair and wrong that the guerrilla was shot, it is the lesser of 2 evils. Imagine if that was your child
@Xalvayne, are you kidding? Human lives are worth far more than other lives, do you really stop to consider other organisms rights when you brush a spider of your leg or use fvcking hand sanitizer?
@Bomb The Russians, I apologise in advance if I've got the situation completely wrong, I only know what I read on the BBC news website. I think it's a bit unfair to call the mother a dumbass. No parent can be 100% perfect, even the best make mistakes. In this case, a momentary distraction could have caused her to lose sight of her child, leading him to fall in, or something similar. My point is to just cut her some slack, we don't know her situation. Or I could be completely wrong and she watched her son climb over for 10 minutes and did nothing. Either way, just my opinion.
@ZeroFuxGiven, I agree with it being the lesser of two evils, I was just saying that the parents are at fault as well and saying that kids can get away in a min is not a good excuse, the kid had to have had time to get into the exhibit
@AlwaysWatching, 100% agree. The parents are the wrong doers. Not the zoo people or the gorilla. It was natural instinct by the gorilla but it had to be killed
@Bomb The Russians, The arrogance of man is thinking nature is under his control, and not the other way around. Let them fight...
@Old Crusty Fap Sock, did you even see the video? That gorilla was tossing the kid around violently
@Bomb The Russians, I don't believe the life of some dumb kid is worth more than of an endangered beautiful beast.
@Bomb The Russians, there's alot that can be learned from this situation and how to handle or prevent it later, but the rabid desire to blame someone is just going to mess that up.
@ Seductive Cheeto, I completely agree.
@ Seductive Cheeto, how would you feel if it was your dumb kid
@ Seductive Cheeto, I also agree. *loses any good reputation I had with this community*
@MrJojo, and even if the gorilla was "protecting" the kid: so? It doesn't matter the gorillas intentions, it could have killed the kid. Even if the zoo could have saved the gorilla (and they couldn't because the tranquilizer wouldn't have taken it down in time) let's face it, the same people freaking out that the gorilla died would be screaming "it's a dangerous beast and shouldn't be allowed to live PUT IT DOWN"
@JJD2016, obviously I'd have a different opinion, but it wasn't my kid, and now there is a greater chance that a species will go extinct.
@ Seductive Cheeto, so they should've said sorry lady your kids gotta die
@JJD2016, How about shoot the Gorilla with a tranq and hope it doesn't mangle the kid, and then any damage would fall on the shoulders of that lady and there would be a greater chance of the gorillas repopulating.
@ Seductive Cheeto, cause then people would've gotten more pissed at the zoo if they could've saved the kid but decided to save the gorilla instead
@Trevthemighty, there are seven billion of us. There are less than one hundred thousand of them. I'm pretty sure we could afford to lose at least half, or more, of our population.
@DumbleDoofus, tell that to the kids parents
@ Seductive Cheeto, Because of the gorilla ended up killing the kid, they would've been forced to euthanize the gorilla anyway.
@CriTiKa1, how so? You think the zoo would kill one of its main sources of revenue rather than pay a hefty settlement? That is if the mother could be found completely not at fault in a court room
@Bomb The Russians, but in all seriousness the kid had to climb over a fence, walk past four feet and somehow tumbled down into the enclosure. I'm sure the kids mother wasn't watching him for more than a second, better yet a minute. It's a shame that the gorilla had to be killed but sadly not much else could've been done, if anything blame the mother who clearly didn't pay attention. See I normally don't support the whole child leash things, but I sorta do now so this can be prevented
@ Seductive Cheeto, the zoo killed the gorilla without a dead child so I'm sure they'd kill it
@ Seductive Cheeto, What JJD said
@ Seductive Cheeto, The law is why, its like the whole burglars suing when they're injured or attacked while breaking into someone's house. The parents would turn around, sue the zoo. Then the gorilla would be put down due to being "dangerous". Idk why that's not clear
@Bomb The Russians, That's a pretty reasonable assessment.
@Bomb The Russians, Sure theres billions of humans on this planet were overpopulated as it is one less human isnt really a bad thing
@ Seductive Cheeto, doesn't give a rebuttal just down votes everyone against him
@MrJojo, the gorilla dragged the boy away from the stones that were being thrown by people to get the gorilla away. Once he was at the other end of the moat, out of harms way, he protected him again. By the way, there have been numerous reported incidents of gorillas in captivity protecting children who have strayed into their enclosures. @just sayin..
@JJD2016, what's my rebuttal going to be? The zoo is clearly run by businessmen so yeah that gorilla was dead the moment that kid fell in.
Makes you wonder what this world is coming to when the offspring of parasitic species is worth more than an endangered beautiful beast.
@JJD2016, and look I'll give you a like to make you happy
@ Seductive Cheeto, so your saying gorillahuman
@ Seductive Cheeto, you said it's bad that we are saying the offspring of "a parasitic species" (you are referring to humans here) are worth more than an endangered beautiful beast (referring to the gorilla here). Which means you are saying the gorillas life is worth more or equal to the life of the human child
@JJD2016, You realize this now?
@ Seductive Cheeto, yeah I must've been in denial because I wouldn't expect anyone to make such a strange statement
@Bomb The Russians, F-F-F-F-FLAME WAAAAAAR!!!!
@Bomb The Russians, So you've tried watching 4 other kids while at a crowded zoo? Let me know how easy it is when u do.
@JJD2016, with 7 billion of us on the planet currently, I honestly don't value a human's life very much
@JJD2016, humans seem to have the idea that we're naturally infinitely more important than anything else on this planet, but really, we just destroy it. We don't pollinate plants, or provide a source of food for carnivores, or help decay dead things. We just breed and consume until we die
@Citizen Nappa, and sure, you can say "we've made more technical advancement than any other living thing" but at what costs? And who do we really help other than ourselves? Now, I don't value a gorilla's life more than the kid's, to be frank, I wouldn't care if the gorilla tore the kid in half and then caught a bullet.
@Bomb The Russians, billions of humans on earth, about 100,000 of those gorillas left, how many humans already die every day? Sorry if thats cold or something but its true.
@Bomb The Russians, I'm from cincy. I wish the people here would make an argument that well thought of and full of logic.
@Bomb The Russians, I'd rather the gorilla killed the kid... Natural selection at work
@JJD2016, yeah it's pretty fvcked up that half the people in this community think that an animals life is more important than a humans. So theoretically they are saying that it's completely okay for a terrorist to kill 50 people because hey its "survival of the fittest" I'm sorry these people are acting like idiots on. It almost makes me want to delete this app from seeing the cancer that is these people's comments.
@Bomb The Russians, I read the people watching and screaming caused the ape to get irritated
@Bomb The Russians, they didn't neglect the child, an eye-witness said she took her eyes off for a second to take a picture. The child said he wanted to go play in the water, and after the mother scolded him, she went back to take the picture where the kid ran to the edge and fell in. She wasn't neglecting her child.
@Old Crusty Fap Sock, the gorilla was dragging it through the water
@MasterCylinder, yeah I think that's part of it. Like I said, it's not the gorilla's fault, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@Bomb The Russians, I'm sorry, I agree with you on all points but who the blame should be placed on. Do you have kids and or have you ever had to watch over kids? You should know then that it only takes a few blinks for them to do something that endangers themselves. The real fault here is the Zoo for not having a better barricade than a 3 foot tall fence and a drop to prevent people from entering the enclosure. The zoo has been fined before for not being up to code as far as safety, so really it's a surprise that it hasn't happened like this sooner. People who were there saw the mother do what she could to try and stop her kid from falling in, and almost jumped down herself to try and save her kid if it weren't for a stranger holding her back. What really started getting the gorilla to be aggressive was the crowds that suddenly rushed to the edges of the enclosure to see the child, not just the child itself
@ Seductive Cheeto, Endangered beautiful beast? Lol. Get back to PETA where you belong
@Captain TR8R, Bruh fvk PETA, I eat so much meat I'm basically the stereotype of any person they hate, yesterday I had rabbit all day, only to have rabbit and duck for breakfast and am cooking myself right. The only reason I care is because by the end of this century a third of the species alive today are stimated to go extinct due to habitat loss and other factors (different types of pollution, prey dying out such as clams, etc.). This is terrifying because it means that our extremely fragile ecosystem is going to be kicked straight in the sack, causing God knows how many problems. If frogs die out there would be billions of extra bugs everywhere for example. Beautiful parts of nature will slowly fall apart as plants don't have the animal interactions needed to spread their seed or fertilization will slow down to the point where major swaths of soil will be empty of natural nutrients.
@Captain TR8R, I care because I don't want the future of humanity to be spent in an empty dying world.
@ Seductive Cheeto, so some mothers are gonna have to lose their kids along the way?
@JJD2016, Crazy how many people here don't have empathy. "It's just one human out of billions, who cares". I bet that kid's family would care if he died.
@CriTiKa1, I know it's insane
@MrJojo, I think people get that from the fact that the Gorilla dragged the kid away from the crowd because everyone was freaking out and the gorilla thought they could be a threat, in addition to eye witness accounts saying the gorilla looked like it was protecting the child.
@Bomb The Russians, either way the gorilla should not have died. If you think that shooting it with a tranquilizer might've agitated it and made it kill the kid, then why not have someone shoot it with the tranquilizer and if that doesn't work, then the actual gun. In the end what is upsetting is both the neglect and senseless murder.
@Deunan, have you ever been to a zoo? A lot of enclosure are there to keep the animals in, not humans out. I could easily (if I wanted to die) jump into the lion, tiger or gorilla exhibit at my zoo.
@Citizen Nappa, seriously you are the most self loathing scum I've ever heard. If humans are so bad then why continue to be part of the problem?
@big freedom, Actually I haven't, but I didn't say a normal adult human. I said a small child that doesn't know any better. It's the job of the zoo officials to keep in mind the welfare of both animals and visitors.
@Deunan, yes. And if you want 100% security then go to a prison. Life isn't perfect. Bad things happen.
@big freedom, That's your opinion, and I respect that. But I also have the right to disagree.
@aGuyWithAnAxe, you can't take a chance the gorilla could've been shot with the tranquilizer and the gorilla could've torn that kid apart in a second
@JJD2016, when there is a chance to walk away with no deaths you have to try it, especially when there is an easy back up plan if that goes wrong.
@Deunan, you disagree with what? You think life is perfect and bad things don't happen?
@Deunan, If for 35 years there was no problem, then why do anything?
@Xalvayne, your own species is more important than others. A wolf would value the life of a pack member over a random fvcking human so humans care about humans over animals. I love animals and respect them but would choose the kid any day
@Old Crusty Fap Sock, Have you seen the full video? Or did we watch two different things?
@Mattizzle9, you're getting to many down votes. You said jk. And after all, only one of the 2 was an endangered species.
@ Seductive Cheeto, you've got my vote
@Bomb The Russians, or you know don't register animals as an endangered species and then trap them in habitats where kids can enter
@MrJojo, it's because a young child fell in a long time ago and was crying, because it was a big drop. A mother gorilla came over and the zoo keepers were considering the same thing, however the female gorilla grabbed the child and held it, protecting it from the males who might have been more agitated and attacked the child. The female went to the zoo keeper door and waited for the keepers to come and retrieve the child.
@The Most Canadian, I've never received so much. It was a simple joke. Hmmm.
@big freedom, I don't think humans are 100% bad, I just don't buy into the dogma that a human life is automatically worth more than any other life. Particularly in the scenario where we go into their habitat and then they get killed because of us. Over the weekend I went to the river near my house to swim with my family and a water moccasin floated floated into the area we were in. Did we kill it? No. We just avoided it and let be on its way, because we're in its home. Not the other way around. A lot of people don't seem to understand that
@Citizen Nappa, here's how I look at it. That gorilla won't grow up and become a doctor.
@JJD2016, judging by what he did, the kid probably won't either
@Citizen Nappa, just to be clear that's a joke
@Citizen Nappa, thank god lol
@Trevthemighty, depends on the human
@MrJojo, because after that happen .. There are pictures of the gorilla actually "playing" with the kid, so obviously those picture makes the gorilla look nice ..
@Lingroach , the savage level is bananas
A lot of people are spreading false information. Some people are saying the gorilla took a "protective stance" but watched the video and the gorilla seemed protective at first, but eventually started dragging the boy through the water and throwing him around. The zoo had no choice but to shoot the gorilla.
@GiveMeYourMilk, to be fair, "protective" to a gorilla is to hold onto something. They don't have the mental capacity to realize they're dragging something fragile around in water and potentially drowning it.
@GiveMeYourMilk, Was the child ever harmed though?
I like your name btw
@Lord Gaben is life, The child did not have any life threatening injuries, but the gorilla would have most likely harmed him if he was not shot
@Lord Gaben is life, yes, not life threatening, but in need of hospitalization.
Human lives are more valuable than animals. Enough.
@clintfromhere, sadly half the community on here don't think so. It's pretty jacked up that they think this because obviously every other species has the same mindset. These cancerous comments they are making are starting to make me think we are the dumbest species in the world.
Here's my take on this. It doesn't matter because we've got worse things than a gorilla to worry about.
It was the mom's fault first and foremost, she should not have taken her eyes off her kid
@King Millner, why is this comment disliked? It's absolutely true
@King Millner, you don't who's fault it was unless you were there watching this incident occur. If you are a parent then you know you cannot watch them at all times. Kids wonder off. It takes 3 seconds for a child to disappear in a crowd. In 3 seconds someone next to you could have said "What time is it?" You check you phone tell them the time and boom, kid is gone.
It's strange to see a picture about Harambe and not have the comment section full of "dicks out"
All the people blaming the parents need to think about themselves in that situation. It was one mom with multiple kids with her. She got distracted by the other kids for less then a minute and that makes her a terrible person? Do you really think she was expecting her kid to take a header into the gorillas? Would you ?
"Must be hard being that fvcking savage"
Am confused what happened?
@I shjt you alot, A kid fell into the gorilla exhibit and the gorilla tool care of the kid. Raised him as his own. Then they shot the gorilla
@I shjt you alot, at the a zoo in Cleveland a young kid, 6-7, climbed into the enclosure and fell, he gorilla, who had just celebrated his 17th birthday the day before, walked over and took a protective stance near him. Then the zoo shot the gorilla
@Lingroach , wait how long was the kid there for?
@I shjt you alot, only a few minuts
@Hairy Cane, minutes*
@I shjt you alot, They killed the gorilla for fear of any harm that could come to the child if they tried to remove him, apparently tranq darts sometimes make animals aggressive before they fully take affect. But the lady shouldn't have allowed her kid in there anyway, failure as a parent led to his death
@I shjt you alot, today on, they shouldn't be parents...
@I shjt you alot, you aren't exactly getting the truth here. The gorilla was agitated by the screaming from the crowd. And had actually done some actions that hurt the boy. Such as throwing him up in the air.
It's unfortunate that the kid made it in there in the first place but it was very unlikely that they could have gotten the boy away from the silverback without the boy being hurt.
One gorilla does not equal a child.
@I shjt you alot, im not sure I like that user name. Sounds...shjtty
@Pestilence , if you watch the video, you can clearly see that that is bullshjt and the gorilla was dragging the kid around by his leg in the water.
@gettinitfosho, alot of peaple have not seen the unedited footage
@Pestilence , Cincinnati zoo, 4 year old kid
@Pestilence , it was actually the Cincinnati zoo. And yes, the gorilla did have a protective stance at first, but as people started yelling it became agitated and was dragging the kid around.
@Lingroach , more like a kid fell and the gorilla got agitated and panicked. Starting dragging the toddler around and probably would have killed him if not shot
@I shjt you alot, people have different sides here. Many believe that the gorilla was lookin after the child. But my view and many others is that the gorilla was panicking after all the screaming so starting dragging the kid. Had to be shot and killed to protect the kid. Awful parents though
So everyone calls out "bad parenting," not realizing how easy it is for a child to run off? And before someone yells out "it takes more that 2 seconds to get into a gorilla enclosure," I've seen a picture posted by an employee of that zoo, and yeah, it does take about 2 seconds.
@TheKen42, a 3 foot barrier and 4 feet of hedges before falling 15 feet into the habitat. For a 4 year old kid, that's a lot more than two seconds.
Is it the parents fault the kid fell in? Hell yes. They weren't watching the damn kid.
Should the gorilla have been killed? Again, hell yes. You don't take the chance of not doing enough and letting a 4 year old kid die.
The situation was resolved in the best possible way. Yeah, it sucks, the gorilla died, but the kid didn't. But the fact is it wouldn't have happened if they had just been watching their damn kid.
@Devils Avocado, I am looking at a pic of the enclosure now just to be sure I'm not spewing nonsense, and I stand by my statement. It may be e feet tall, but the way it is built gives a step a bit less than halfway up, and the top half is more of an open rail. By using the word 'barrier' it gives a sense of impenatrability, which is very misleading.
And why does everyone think that fault needs to be thrown out at every tragedy? If it really was a matter of neglect then let the justice system handle it. Social justice is anything but, and is one step short of lynching.
They should've killed the mom instead for being that careless
@Picdebunker, that is a terrible thought. You would really kill a 3 year old baby's mother?
We have enough kids, not enough gorillas.
Don't sign the petition, when you read it, you'll see that it has nothing to do with the gorilla's rights in the end or justice for his being killed, it ends up being about the little boy being the priority of the situation.
@Virgin Alert, and what good would a petition do the dam things already dead
@Mugiwara Luffy, it's obviously not going to be for him. If there were no apes in captivity in the first place, this never would have happened. Using animals for entertainment is inherently cruel, and especially cruel to a family of apes that witnessed one of their own being shot dead by the same hand that fed them, and forced to remain on display henceforth. The petition, in my opinion, should at least insist that his ape family be released to the great ape sanctuary in Florida.
@Virgin Alert, Lol, his ape family. They don't know what killed the silverback. You really think they're smart enough to understand how guns work? Being apes they moved on in a couple of hours.
@Virgin Alert, many endangered animals now unfortunately rely on zoos to continue their survival. Three off the top of my head are cheetahs, rhinos, and orangutans. All the good zoos are nonprofit and don't force the animals to do tricks for people for entertainment like seaworld. Our zoo does demand and enforce respect for the animals.
@CriTiKa1, you really have the wrong idea about animal intelligence, and I'm not gonna be the one to explain it to you.
@Pizzazz, the ape that was killed was an endangered lowland gorilla....and he was killed
@Virgin Alert, well, duh, I know this. He was killed because he was positioning the kid to get ready to use him for displaying purposes, which is to drag, shake, and slam things to the ground. They couldn't use a tranquilizer for many reasons. I have the link to an expert who explains all this if you'd like to read.
@Pizzazz, No thanks. Use of 'duh' puts me off.
@Virgin Alert, you've got to expect that when you state the obvious.
@Pizzazz, then allow me to obviously state the irony when you suggested that "endangered animals now unfortunately rely on zoos to continue their survival." I believe this is a farce considering he was in one and not even a zoo could prevent him from being killed by a human hand, accident regardless.
@Virgin Alert, your logic makes no sense since neither relate to each other. What do cheetahs needing conservation efforts due to inbreeding issues in the wild have to do with a kid falling in a zoo exhibit?
@Pizzazz, Inbreeding cheetahs in the wild?
@Virgin Alert, how does the issue of humans poaching rhinos for their horn to make a debunked erectile dysfunction potion relate to a kid falling in a zoo exhibit?
@Pizzazz, what are you actually talking about, you're completely digressing.
@Virgin Alert, I see the irony. It's sad, but this doesn't make conservation efforts for animals a farce.
@Pizzazz, Of course not, and I agree. Zoos in the outside appear to be a conservation effort, and that's largely due to the fact we can see that they're living there. But not all zoos are conservational, have you ever seen a bear pit? Zoos and their licensure are for entertainment or else they would not be public attractions. A zoo can be classified as "roadside" if you have a wild animal in a cage, doesn't mean theyre pretty, but they are technically zoos. I don't know how well I can explain it, but I think zoos pale in comparison to the conservation that sanctuaries provide, for they're not for entertainment and their animals are almost never exposed to accidents like zoo animals constantly are.
@Virgin Alert, I'm sorry complex thinking comes off as digression.
@Virgin Alert, I suggest coming to the San Diego zoo and then reconsider that stance. Proper, caring zoos are conservatories in themselves. For profit zoos like those roadside attractions are not at all what I'm referring to nor do I defend them.
For those who are unfamiliar with gorilla behaviour, when the kid fell into the enclosure people started shouting and screaming and making a large ruckus, which made the gorilla feel the need to protect his group. He was trying intimidate the people around him and gorillas often intimidate by waving and smashing sticks around, harambe instead grabbed the kid. Now as much as his intention wouldn’t have been to kill the kid it would definitely have happened as he got more and more agitated.