Lol. But seriously remember, isis is radical Islam! Just like west bureau Baptist is to Christians.
@theboatandcarman, But westboro baptist church isn't going around killing people
@Toofules, you can't act like there have been no radical Christians killing for their religion
@Assassinator2399, 43,000 in the last 50 years?
@Assassinator2399, I believe that would be the crusades
@4Chan Ambassador , time period doesn't matter. Ever heard of something called the crusades?
@Assassinator2399, now I may be way out in left field with this one, but judging by the fact that you are citing the crusades I'm going to assume you are also familiar with the extended periods of war and killing executed in the name of Islam well before, during, and after the crusades
@Assassinator2399, people have been killing and warring in the name of Islam since it's inception. One of the reasons for the early crusades were to protect Christian pilgrims that were being slaughtered by the turks and egyptians
@Toofules, you're right. because they live in a less violent area of the world, they aren't killing people but they're more or less the same thing. they're both using the older sections of their respective holy books to radicalize their followers
@Zoomahkroom, I am, I'm not saying that they're any better however both religions have their good people and bad people. Just because recently there haven't been any confirmed case of people killing in the name of Christianity doesn't mean that no one has.
@Zoomahkroom, that's not true. The Pope wanted Jerusalem and called for his people to take it from the Muslims because it was their holy land. Its also idiotic that he wanted the land for himself because Islam also considers it a holy land and instead of fighting over it they could recognize their mutual belief
@Assassinator2399, the crusades? You mean when the christian tried to take back the christian heartland from islamic invaders who conquered the area with violence and killing? Even if you want to ignore the facts of the crusades, when it happened does matter. Right now the most "extreme" christian group is just annoying and not hurting anyone, there is no comparison.
@Oujosh29, like I said already. The crusades were because the pope wanted Jerusalem. Muslims and Christians have been warring over Jerusalem for centuries. Muslims were already in control of it and the pope wanted it so he called for his people to kill in the name of god to get that land. You can't possibly justify that regardless of how you put it. And time period doesn't matter. Radical is radical regardless of time period
@Assassinator2399, giving any one sole reason why the crusades happened is impossible and closed minded. There was a pact after Egyptian Muslims captured Jerusalem from the failing eastern roman empire (yes because they consider it holy ground) to allow Christian pilgrims safe passage to Jerusalem. This pact was broken as the Turkish Muslims began slaughtering pilgrims and the pilgrimages became more military expeditions out of protection until the culmination of the First Crusade.
@Assassinator2399, also the Crusades are widely accepted as the first progressive step towards reestablishing world trade between east and west since the collapse of the Roman Empire effectively stabalizing the west out of the dark ages. Islam hasn't done shjt woth their "conquests" aside from blow up world trade centers and make the world an overall worse place to be
@Assassinator2399, not in present times. Good try though.
@Assassinator2399, yes back then people also thought punching a hole in your skull or drinking mercury was good for you. Isis and any other radical mussilim still think any non believer should be killed. You here of Christians being mean or saying mean things to gays but over in the middle east they are throwing gays off of buildings.
@Zoomahkroom, Islam has contributed tons to society. And radical groups do not define the whole religion
@Assassinator2399, there were many reasons why the crusades happened, including christians wanting their holy land back. Not sure why you think its all about the pope, because it wasn't. And radical isnt radical, it depends on the time period. To go to war in the time of the crusades, so what? Everyone did it. Its a false argument because people are concerned about radicals today. Some radical sect a thousand years ago isn't gonna hurt anyone today, ISIS on the other hand will kill tens of thousands.
@Firecracker Jim, What about the Protestant Christians murdering african Americans using the bible as justification(the kkk)? Is that not present enough?
@Assassinator2399, obviously Islam has contributed tons, so has Christianity, the point that I was trying to make is because Islamic culture and rule is overall much more closed minded, any sort of warring or killing they have done, especially nowadays, have had at best no positive impact on the world
@Oujosh29, I didn't say it was all about the pope however he was the one that called for the holy land to be taken. Also you could consider the KKK a radical Christian group considering most members are christian. And by that logic the Nazis would be a radical Christian group as well since the leaders of the Nazi regime were Christian.
@The Big Hodge, you have it backwards. The "new" part of the Quran was the violent part, as opposed to the bible. See "Abrogation"
@Assassinator2399, Islam is killing for its religion NOW. What you're doing is equivalent to justifying slavery today because we did it in the US 150 years ago. The past is in the past.
@ear potato, I'm not justifying it I'm stating that Christians are no better than Muslims. Both have had their radical groups. Im by no means justifying the killing but rather pointing out the hypocrisy of a lot of Christians. No one major religion is better than another, they're all pretty equal.
@ear potato, also it's not Islam as a whole it's ISIS. That's like me saying that all Christians were killing blacks during the height of the KKK, it wasn't all Christians it was instead a radical group
@theboatandcarman, no. Westboro Baptist Church isnt beheading journalists
@Assassinator2399, you arent speaking to logic in this thread friend, religion shouldn't be used for violence, and yet throughout history (and yes history IS important) religion has been used as a charade usually for greed/power etc. And there is a radical christian group that kills Muslims in East Africa I believe. The claim that christains haven't done anything recently is false. What about the Imam that was shot in the name of Jesus Christ a couple weeks ago in NY. Just because you don't acknowledge the killing in Christianity doesn't mean it's non-existent. And trying to justify the crusades as good is irrelevant people died at the hands of the pope.
@arabTerminator, are you sure that reply was meant for me? I wasn't justifying the crusades
@Horus, Because they have no judicial power.
@Assassinator2399, I think he was arguing on your behalf.
@Assassinator2399, Now Assassinator, you know better than to start arguments. You already did this to me, man.
@Assassinator2399, how can you talk about religions warring over Jerusalem and completely omit Judaism?
It was ours before it was either of theirs. All three religions have their basis in Jerusalem.
@Oujosh29, I'd hardly say westboro baptist church is the most extreme when entities like the Lord's resistance army exists. They've been around for a while killing quite a few people, and it wasn't until recently they started really being crushed (under a lot of effort from a lot of countries)
@MrChalking, the lords resistance and groups like that are just one of many local groups, they don't compare to the global radical islam groups. Its like comparing a local thug and saying they're the same threat as the mob; no, they aren't. Though I admit my comments were based on a US perspective and radical groups we have to deal with.
@arabTerminator, another false equivancy. No one said christians don't do anything wrong, whats been said is there arent any radical christian terrorist groups. Yes there will be some local examples of christians doing bad things, but show an example of a radical group of any other religion that equals the threat and killings of ISIS or Al Queda. You can't.
@Assassinator2399, false the crusades started when the Byzantine Empire called for aid from their western counter parts and the pope answered. The push to Jerusalem was origonal ly an attempt at regaining byzantine lands for safer passage from Christian Pilgrims. After a disagreement the Byzantines left and but the crusade pushed forward. After the capture of Jerusalem they stopped and created the Crusader states.
@Oujosh29, you guys are all missing the point. It's not a matter of comparison. The point is that blaming Islam as a whole for radical extremist groups like ISIS is as unfair as blaming Christianity as a whole for radical hate groups like the Westborough Baptist Church.
It's not about who is worse. If you look at percentages, the vast majority of Muslims on earth are peaceful, sane people. The same is true of Christianity.
@I Are Lebo, I don't disagee with you that ISIS doesn't represent Islam and that most muslims are peaceful. However, the original poster did make a comparisom and that's what the disagreement is. Its just annoying when people try to be PC about radical islam by saying "see, some christians can be just as bad". No thats bull, the "radical" examples most often used are groups that are just annoying but don't hurt anyone, or a war that happened a thousand years ago that wasn't even radical for the time. Granted, this might be a point you might think isn't important to make, but annoys some people.
@Assassinator2399, the crusades were catholics not Christians. And islams koran emphasizes killing other religions more than anything else out there without competition. If islam doesn't want to be feared it should split and remove all the repeated cutting off non beleivers heads to get better placement in heaven.
@Assassinator2399, name 10 radical christian orgainizations. If you cant do that try to atleast name 5. I bet you cant do that can you.
@Assassinator2399, When your best example of radical Christians is from a millennia ago, then you're already losing. And the crusades were a result of centuries if Muslim aggression, and it's never stopped. The reason it's hard to separate radical Islam from regular Islam is because 15-25% of Muslims are radical. That's 300 million+, almost as much as the entire U.S. population. And even when you're not talking about radical, the average Muslim government imprisons or executes homosexuals. You're trying to sound unbiased toward any religion, but unbiased isn't saying they're the same, it's presenting the facts. And the fact is, Islam is the most violent religion in existence. Even if you want to go back to the crusades, Islam was still more violent, but as many have pointed out, that's not a relevant that today. Now please, downvote me because the facts don't lineup with your preconceived notions.
@Oujosh29, I do feel the need to just throw in here that regardless for the reasons of the crusades, Christian crusaders did terrible, terrible things. Not only did they kill a lot of Muslims, they were also raping and pillaging their way through Europe, Muslim people or not.
@TwistedTea, the crusaders were catholic.
@Assassinator2399, well, then we need to include Muhammad conquering and murdering countless people in the 600s, too.
@BlazingBowman, KKK, Lords resistance army, and the Aryan Nations are 3 I know of as still being active. You're right I can't name 5 without googling it however take a look at this............... http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/
No it may not be the most accurate and may be a little extreme but they're all real radical Christian groups. Now let's see how many radical Muslim groups you can name
@the fork, no the reason it's hard to tell the difference is because the us media doesn't want you to know the difference. There are far more normal Muslims than there are radical by your logic roughly 1 in 8 Muslims are radical yet most people have never known a radical Muslim. So of all the roughly 400 million people in the US most have never met a single radical Muslim. Also I can use more modern groups such as the Lord's resistance army, the KKK, and the Aryan Nations.
@Toofules, One could argue that causing people to commit suicide is killing them
@Assassinator2399, sure i can name 10 easy this is the second time ive tried to post this so lets try again. ISIS, Boko Haram, al-queda, the muslim brotherhood, army of islam, ansar al-salam, ansar al-sharia, abu sayyaf, Abdullah Azzam Brigades, al-badr brigade, takfir wal-hijra amoing dozens of others that have really wierd names and are a pain in the butt to spell and god i hope they dont take butt as a curse and block my comment. This week alone there have been 43 attacks with 191 people killed. But i guess your right christianity has just as bad a terrorist problem 😒
@Assassinator2399, what do you mean by my logic? You mean my statistic that virtually every intelligence agency around the world agrees on? Just because you haven't met a radical doesn't change the stat. First of all, if you had, they probably wouldn't let you know that they were a terrorist, second, chances are they aren't evenly spread out. It's not like you can assume every fourth Muslim you meet would be a terrorist, that's not how statistics work.
And it's funny you bring the US media up as if it had an agenda protecting Christians and attacking Muslims. You clearly don't pay attention to the media, which is probably a good thing, but don't act like they're on the side of Christianity. A baker doesn't bake a cake and the media is all over how bigoted Christians are, a Muslim shoots up a gay club, and Islam is barely mentioned.
@Assassinator2399, And those groups are very insignificant compared to radical Islam. You're comparing some small groups that aren't very active to a group the size of our country that commit acts of terror all over the world every month.
@the fork, exactly, you can scrape up some small sects using religion as a cause but it will be a great stretch to compare them to anything significant. (with Christianity or catholicism they will condemn anyone doing such acts, unlike powerful islam leaders)
@TwistedTea, And? Wars were brutal during that time period. The values and morals a thousand years ago has no bearing on today.
@Assassinator2399, the KKK and aryan nation haven't done anything but be stupid for decades and are jokes. The lords resistance army is just one of many local war groups in a warring part of the world. As for radical islam, there are radical local groups in almost every part of the world and several global terrorist threats.
@Oujosh29, let me get this straight... You are excusing cruel behavior because "wars were brutal during that time period"? No. I'm done. You just want to hate. So go ahead. But don't you dare act all high and mighty and surprised when your hate breeds more.
@TwistedTea, excusing hate? I'm talking about a war that happened a thousand years ago, I don't have to excuse anything. Only idiots look back at things in history and try to apply todays morale values to them. Wars in that time were brutal on all sides, so what. That was the norm. If people tried to start that up again, then you cam get all high and mighty about it. I don't have hate, I have common sense.
@Oujosh29, Common sense means learning from the past. Hate has ALWAYS bred hate. That's literally the cycle the Christians and Muslims have been stuck in for thousands of years. No matter how long ago, cruelty is cruelty. The systematic hate and cruelty, even then was deeply condemned by just about everyone except the armies and the church leaders.
Regardless, our Muslim community here in the united States is being heavily persecuted. Violence, hate, threats, harassment. There were about 2500 reported hate crimes against Muslims last year alone, and it's considered widely underreported. Armed protesters baring mosques, feces thrown and covering religious relics and homes, neighborhoods coming together to threaten Muslim neighbors into moving, a woman who was assaulted coming out of a Walmart with eggs... It's been very bad. ISIS and lone wolf terrorists are a significant concern and a real problem. But we are terrorising our own citizens. It is so unacceptable.
@TwistedTea, both religions are horrible, and tell you to kill those who don't follow them.
@Cpzombie, I don't think religion is the problem. We humans have a nasty tendency to hate each other for any perceived difference.... Religion, skin color, gender, age, what country you are from, how you speak, your education level, who your parents were, what color you are wearing... We are inherently a cruel and unforgiving species. Take away religion and we will find some other reason to hate each other.
@Cpzombie, you clearly haven't done much research on Christianity. Christians are told that hatred is as bad as murder, let alone murdering someone. Definitely not told to kill those who don't follow their religion. You don't have to be a Christian to make an honest assessment.
@TwistedTea, I don't think humans are prone to hate. There are humans that are prone to hate, but the vast majority of people don't hate each usher. We judge things we don't understand, but it's an impactful minority that take it to the point of violence and killing. Unfortunately, it only takes a few to cause large-scale harm.
@TwistedTea, completely overdramatic. This country has bent over backwards to not offend the muslim communities. Even after 9-11 there were more hate crimes against jews than muslims. We have learned from history, do you see us putting muslims in camps? No. I know its a hobby for some to see the world in an over dramatic pc fairytale, but seriously, join us in reality.
@the fork, alright, that's definitely a fair point. It may be more accurate to say that people are too easily led by those few passionate jerks. From a survival standpoint, adhering to herd mentality makes sense, but in today's day and age, it can cause a lot of harm, and you're right it's more that we judge and are fearful of difference and change.
@Oujosh29, you say that except there is a large group who is actually lobbying to create concentration camps for Muslims. So, no, we didn't learn. Hell, there are lot of people grumbling about making gas chambers for them.
@TwistedTea, there's more people mad at the zoo harambe was in that at terrorists in this country. If you think for one second that this mysterious "large" group, is capable of passing law to round up and gas Muslims without outrage then you have a skewered vision of your surroundings
@the fork, I was raised Christian, read the Old Testament. Somebody picks up sticks on a Sunday, stone them.
@ear potato, go get a Quran and guns me anything that even implies that Muslims should go around beheading non believers
@the fork, uhh... that "15-25%" figure is complete bull. Where did you get this crazy statistic from?
@EAFPB, how are you going to call a statistic "bull" and "crazy" without doing any research? That implies that you're not interested in the stats, just waiting you believe what you already believe.
@Cpzombie, if you were raised "Christian" then you know that Christians do not live by the law of the old testament. (And Sunday isn't the Sabbath, Saturday is)
@TwistedTea, lol you can't be serious. What large group us actively lobbying to create concentration camps? I'm sure there are small isolated groups doing stupid stuff, we are a country of 350 million people. But the country as a whole has done a great job NOT blaming islam for the terrorist attacks, and something you should be proud of.
@the fork, and on what basis is this research conducted? What do they have to be like to be considered "radical"?
@Oujosh29, that isn't what he said. He said ISIS is to Islam what the WBC is to Christianity. It's a valid argument.
@Dephenistrator, Catholicism is a part of Christianity.
And nowhere in the Quran (not koran) does it advocate the beheading of non-believers.
Which is an odd thing anyway, because the Old Testament does advocate the murder of heathens and adulterers by stoning.
@the fork, you are vastly overstating the size of ISIS. I'd double check where you're getting your info from. You are being misled.
@I Are Lebo, don't agree. Westboro is to christianity what annoying islamic fundamentists groups who don't hurt anyone is to islam. ISIS and the other terrorists groups are in a leaque of their own, there is no comparison.
@I Are Lebo, Christians get their core beliefs from the new testament, not the old. And islam does call for the death of any muslim who leaves islam.
@Oujosh29, it's not a comparison. Christianity and Islam are not the same thing either.
And for the record, saying that the WBC haven't hurt anyone is willful ignorance. No, they haven't publicly decapitated anyone, but that has more to do with the laws of the region they live in. Picketing someone's funeral isn't hurtful?
@I Are Lebo, no, you can't compare killing people with hurting others feelings. What westboro does is legal and an expression of freedom of speech, whether you like what they say or not. It makes westboro stupid and annoying, not radical in the same sense. Its also not ignorance to say so, its common sense and not being overly sensitive or dramatic.
@I Are Lebo, besides the spelling of the book you are plain lying or beleive lies.
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
@I Are Lebo, just because you group Christianity together doesn't make it the same religion. The crusades were done under orders by the pope. If you don't understand what that means, is that was only a Catholic event. I have Christian and catholic family trust me, they are NOT the same.
WHY CAN'T WE JUST ALL BE HAPPY AND FRIENDS?
@SalahTheBigMan, Hey, fvck you!
@SalahTheBigMan, because people are stupid. Normal Christians and normal Muslims get along because they understand that there's no reason fighting over stupid shjt when they basically have the same beliefs in the first place
@SalahTheBigMan, this is what my roommate says when he gets high. Are you high?
@Pool boy till I die, man it just went on forever. Got tired.
While everyone is arguing over whose religion is less genocidal I'm just sitting here laughing at all religions.
This is pure ignorance and, while she might be feeling bliss, everyone sensible is feeling a headache from facepalming so hard.
Islam is heavily against other religions. I see where she is going with this.
@Toofules, so is Christianity. The Bible basically says if you are not a Christian you will burn in hell for eternity.
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, it doesn't tell their followers to kill non Christians or those whom leave the Faith either. But yes you are correct those who arent christian will burn in hell so it says.
@dategrape, it just seems to me that to Christians it has a really bad meaning. I mean, if they're wrong and God isn't real, then the worst they could have done is murder non-believers (still bad). But if the Bible is true then dying is nothing compared to eternal suffering. It seems kind of psychotic to kill for religious beliefs, but for a God to tell his followers not to kill so he could comdemn non-believers to eternal suffering? That's literally insane and fvcked up.
Why is it insane to be punished for not believing in the one true god? That would be like telling your father that he had no hand in your creation. He would then whoop your ass for being an idiot.
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, not really, since their goal is to convert, they don't want anyone to go to hell. It's not insane to think that the world is a sinking ship with one way off and that we shouldn't push people off the boat but should direct them toward the life boat. The (actual) Christians don't want anyone to go to hell. We also don't believe that God sends people to hell to get his kicks, so your premise seems somewhat off
@dategrape, You can't know if the Biblical God is the one true god. You can believe it all you want but you don't know. Also, it IS insane to punish someone for making a mistake (not believing in God) when the Christian Church is based on forgiving people through the Sacrament of Confession. I could avoid this eternal hell (even if i was a fvcking murderer) just by going to a priest, confessing my sins and becoming a Christian right before I die, but someone who has done good their entire life, given to charity, denounced material possessions but didn't believe in God will be tortured forever while my murderin' ass frolicks in heaven with my victims. See what I mean?
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, a small side note from me, then I'm butting out: not all Christians believe in an eternal hellfire. My Christian affiliation doesn't believe in hell, so thinking that all Christians believe that is like saying all of Islam is Isis
@Tyrellious, God killed all of the non-believers in Jherico (according to the Bible), wanted to set the entire Earth on fire to burn all non-believers and Jesus told his followers not to perform miracles or teach about God/Jesus to Gentiles or Samaritans, meaning that they would not hear about what will happen to non-believers, meaning they would be sent to hell forever without warning. It's not even like they could kill the apostles. The apostles could raise the dead, heal and literally decide what towns get destroyed by God and sent to hell. Seems like God enjoys it to me.
@Toofules, all religions are. They believe their religion is the best and it's completely ignorant to believe you're the only religion that's right about a higher power. Its almost impossible to deny the existence of a higher power because billions of people can't be completely wrong yet to believe that you know the only higher power and know what happens when you die is ignorant
@dategrape, neither does the Koran. As with the bible there are different ways of interpreting it and these radical groups interpret it differently than most. Don't be ignorant and actually understand what you're talking about
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, actually the pope has said there are some exceptions to this, but yeah duh that is the general rule
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, saying you will go to hell and straight up raping and killing you because "we dont like you" is kinda diffrent don't you think?
@Toofules, proof? Lol, radical groups dont even use the Koran, they just make up their own rules and try to vaguely tie to Islam, but it never fits. We believe that to kill a single soul is as if you killed all mankind and the punishment in the afterlife will be in that measure. It doesn't say Muslim soul. The Koran says to treat every soul with respect, regardless of religion, in another verse. It bothers me when people quote what Islam is about, when they their only source is CNN and FOX news. I don't speak on behalf of Christianity without reading the bible, the hypocrisy is real.
@JerryThePlatypus, it's kind of the main basis for the religion (good people that are Christians go to heaven, bad people, unbaptised babies or non-Christians go to hell) and a main part of what I guess you would call the "origin story" of the Devil(Satan the angel disagrees with God, 1/3 of the other angels disagree wih God and join Satan, instead of actually changing his ways and/or preventing Satan and his followers from hurting anyone Satan and his followers are thrown to depths of hell).
@Firecracker Jim, Think of it this way. You are told that 3 innocent people are going to be shot at, one an atheist, one a gay person and one an unbaptised baby, and they may or may not die. Either they all die or none die. There is nothing you can do to stop this. If you hope that the people don't die then that's good. You aren't insane/mentally fvcked up because you don't want innocent people to die. If you want them to get shot you are mentally fvcked up and insane because they are innocent people. Now, switch the shooter with God and the death with going to hell and sufferig forever. See what I mean?
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, why dont you read Revelations. Hell is not for man. At the coming of Christ, all will be judged and those who are non believers, will not be resurrected. They will lose their life, it will be just like before they were born, nothing
@Osama bin Dead, no offence, but that shijt's not fun to read. Also, losing your life because of a mistake? Fvcked up
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, Im not going to take offense, its your right to say so. But have you even read any of it? You have your whole life to change
@Osama bin Dead, I haven't read much of Revelations but I have read parts of the Bible as I was a Catholic from a young age. About a year ago, after hearing those Bible passages in Leviticus commanding people to murder gays I looked into the Bible a bit more and I went from ignorant Catholic to "Edgy Atheist"👌
@Osama bin Dead, "you have your whole life to change" is a problematic argument. I don't really understand why you said it to me because I could die at any moment from a plane crash, unknown medical condition, accidentally eating something I'm allergic to, murder etc. God could prevent all of these from happening if he wanted to convert non-believers, but people still die of these things all the time. Good people like charity workers, teachers, social workers, police(not the racist ones) and unconverted people that are also good.
The comments here remind me why I avoid religion.
Who could have respect for islam ? News flash the oppression of women in islamic countries wasnt the ideas of the minority. Its what they as a whole believe.
It's all bullshjt. No matter what invisible sky daddy you pray to. It's bullshjt. All of it.
@DHS Crisis Actor, I'm sorry I couldn't quite hear your opinion over the bullshjt. Try again?
I respect when the towel heads don't try and blow us up.
@smartstu, Islam doesn't equal ISIS
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, the fact that you were downvoted means there's more ignorant people on here than I thought
@Assassinator2399, thanks for proving me right guys
@Assassinator2399, It was then that I realized he was just a douche.
@Assassinator2399, ikr? Whenever someone posts a joke about Hillary Clinton or something not 100% supporting Christianity or saying theres at least a 0.0000000000000001% chance that God isn't real or LGBTQ people shouldn't be murdered on sight there's instant downvotes
@Assassinator2399, Problem is it's not just ISIS. There are numerous Islamic terrorist groups and regimes that commit horrible crimes in the name of their religion. When is the last time you heard of radical Buddhists or Hindus slaughtering "infidels"?
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, it's still a horrible religion that tells you to kill all non-believers. Christianity is the same way.
@GENERIC USERNAME 69, read the Koran mate. It specifically tells them to take neither Christian nor Jews for your friends.
@Assassinator2399, Quran (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
@smartstu, that's not telling them to kill anyone. Also ISIS targets political leaders not specifically Jews and Christians.
@Assassinator2399, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 791:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "
@Assassinator2399, Sahih International: So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.
@smartstu, this is why Muslims decapitate people. Their god commands them so.
Of course don't take to debating me as I will admit I am not well read on the bible. I've just recently began to immerse myself into Christianity. So I'm still learning though I do believe.
@dategrape, If you are not well read on the bible, why have you committed to Christianity?
@Calcium Night Rape, because belief is a thing that doesn't require exhaustive knowledge? Easy.
No religion deserves respect you believe in something that has absolutely no evidence to support it there's a reason church population is shrinking it's because that is the eventual fate of humanity unless we kill ourselves somehow before that happens
@eleven, Stereotype 383: Edgy Atheist
@4Chan Ambassador , Woah, a 4chan Ambassador who ISN'T an edgy Athiest? Are you sure you represent your homeworld?
@eleven, seems I'm one of the few people that would agree that no religion deserves respect. Although I'd say more because they tend to indoctrinate children.
@4Chan Ambassador , 3edgy5me
@eleven, I don't and never will respect any god or deity. Because the way I see it, they most likely aren't real, and even if somehow any of them ended up being real, most are fairly shjtty and wouldn't deserve respect. I usually won't respect a religions teachings either because sometimes they are morally wrong or factually incorrect.
However, I will always respect the people that believe in the religion (at least until they do something to lose my respect), and especially their right to believe in a religion.
@eleven, I would agree also. I do respect peoples' right to believe in whatever they want but I don't like the fact that they immediately expect everybody to respect their faith. If officials al of a sudden refuse to follow the law and marry 2 gay men, we should somehow understand and respect her faith. I respect people, not ideas.
@eleven, sad to say that it's actually more likely that there's some higher power out there, whether it be "god" or aliens that many people can believe in it without anything happening for them to believe it. Billions of people throughout history have believed in some higher power(s). Yes the church population is shrinking and that's because people are getting smart and thinking that maybe their religion doesn't have the answer, however most people still believe in some sort of higher power
@Assassinator2399, the amount of believers is irrelevant. There had been times that everybody on earth believed they were on a flat earth. So millions of people believing it, does not make something true. Quote: the truth is the truth, even if nobody believes it. A lie is a lie, even if everybody believes it.
@Assassinator2399, That is an appeal to popularity.
Something that I thought was interesting was recently I was showed a comic strip a panel of modern remake of Dantes inferno and it was of the city of dis thing that was interesting to me was that there were no mosques in the city of dis where as in the original text the city was basically full of demons and mosques because they were that one of the scariest things that a Christian could imagine- a city full of Muslims
Please forgive the lack of punctuation I'm just dictating this so I don't have to type it out
As a Christian, I respect Islam. Idk, they are like a cousin to me
(Generic grabs popcorn comment)
@Ann O Nymous, (Generic grabs more popcorn comment)
*gets up, makes popcorn, sits down, awaits impending comment war, eats popcorn*
@DancingIsNotAdvised, good luck. Fvck this shjt I'm out
That's because her first statement is false. I don't have to respect your backwards evil religion. I just can't do anything about it to its brainless followers
It's a political movement, not a religion
Radical islamists are not Muslims!
@The Petrolhead, yes they are. That's like saying those who fought in the crusades weren't Christian
@Cpzombie, Hey thanks for the downvote, shjt-for-brains. Really tells me a lot about what kind of person you are. (I mean, I already knew you were a horrible person because of some of the ignorant bullshjt I've seen you spew, like after the Bastille Day attack, you said "some Muslim killed a bunch of people" which was 100% FALSE, as well as our conversation over a year ago [which you may not remember because I was under a different name] during which you resorted to cheap insults because legitimate debates where you have to back up what you say are beyond your cognitive capacity. Want to try and prove me wrong? Go ahead, say something informed and intelligent. It's not gonna happen. It's never happened.) Yes, their prophet was a dick, but if you think all Muslims are like that bad people, there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Which it sadly seems is the case with more and more people these days.
@Trump Repellant, I don't think all Muslims are bad people, I think the religion itself is horrible, and those that completely follow its teachings are horrible as well. All a downvote should say is that they disagree with you (that's why it's there). Why would I remember some argument I had with somebody online over a year ago? I find arguing entertaining, but I apologize, you didn't leave nearly enough of an impression to last a year.
That video was sickening.
@Trump Repellant, it's just political speak. Say one thing then contradict yourself.
And kinda scary that that's how a lot of people think. And the downvotes tell me there are brainless fuсks like that on this app too.
So much arguing this is not a place for this I just came here to laugh and I did.
Typical trump çunt bïtch
OPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS RAAAAAAA *ANGRY NOISES*
Let's get rooooooooooooooight into the neeews!
The first part was, about people just trying to be defensive, the rest wasn't lol