What kind of unit of measure is scientific advancement?
@YungSei25, the bullshït but real based on history kind
@YungSei25, units of scifis
@YungSei25, jewels per minute
@YungSei25, similar to pounds
@YungSei25, is measured in swmoasbwabatg's. (students with misunderstanding of advancements in science but with basic ability to graph)
@BearDaniels, no wait.. Don't you remember they changed it to SyFy a few yrs ago. No more SciFi.. Only SyFy now.
@YungSei25, flying cars/per hour
@Cobaltqube, that's only if you watch tv. Not if you actually read.
@YungSei25, none of this graph makes sense. Having a graph about science that is this unscientific seems kind of insulting.
@YungSei25, the amount of time the average person spends consuming porn.
This is not how scientific advancement works. Advancement goes in leaps and bounds, not steady gain.
This graph is bullshït and I'm disappointed so many people are fooled by it.
@I Are Lebo, it's not an exact representation of how science advanced, it's just showing that we lost just about all knowledge we had previously acquired when the library of Alexandria was burned to the ground
@davestrideur, the burning of a single library is not capable of setting back scientific progress for the entire species. It's not an accurate representation of anything, let alone an exact representation.
@I Are Lebo, a single library that housed scrolls containing the collected works of most of the sciences. The same library that houses the first steam engine (a single invention that started the great scientific leaps) when it was rediscovered. Yeah it can set back human advancement. Since the internet didn't exist back than and most of the scholars gathered their. Science jumps by leaps and bounds because single significant discoveries or wars are what make it appear to do so.
Damned phone. Then, than, there, their, and they're. I know the difference but still seem to not know to proofread before hitting finished button.
@I Are Lebo, this wasn't just a single library, this was literally the largest collection of any written documents in history before the invention of the printing press. This thing was basically the first library of congress: any ship that comes into port or caravan that comes into the city was searched for all books and scrolls, which were then confiscated and painstakingly copied. The originals would stay in the library, and the copies would go back to the owners. Because this collection of human knowledge was so massive, scholars from all around the world traveled to the library to learn, making it one of the first colleges. This wasn't just a single library burning, this was the center all hub of everything we knew turning to dust. After the library burned and Rome collapsed, there was virtually no means of spreading ideas or keeping them alive, which caused society to slide backward from democracies and republics to feudalistic societies.
@I Are Lebo, anyway. There are certain discoveries in science that cause a dominos effect. With them other discoveries follow. But the steam engine or steam turbine can probably be considered one of the greatest inventions ever. Since it drives pretty much everything that followed. Including steam powered ships and electricity generation. So if the first ever steam engine was invented there and was destroyed shortly after its creation before it had a chance to be exploited for other uses besides a toy at the time. It is entirely possible that a single library set us back several hundred years.
@Seohn, fair enough. But the point is still the same. This graph is garbage.
@I Are Lebo, yeah the graph isn't accurate since it's not really Christianity that was the problem. There were other factors
@davestrideur, calling the Library of Alexandria the center hub of "everything" we knew is a massive overestimation. Was its destruction a massive setback? Yes absolutely. Was it solely responsible for the Dark Ages and the backslide of human science and advancement? No absolutely not.
@Captain TR8R, I'm pretty sure I mentioned the fall of Rome contributing too
@davestrideur, I was more critiquing your claim that "everything we knew" was destroyed with the library of Alexandria
@davestrideur, but yes you did mention that, that was my bad
Funny how people forget that after the fall of the Roman empire which caused the dark ages christian monasteries were the only places that preserved technology and civilization
@JuliantheOnion, Ok, kind of. The Church suppressed research and censored scientists which caused the Dark Ages. They did this because they feared that the Romans were struck down because they got too close to playing god and they invoked his wrath with things like indoor toilets and baths (slightly snarky response that is still historically accurate.
@UmActually, repression of scientific research wasn't what caused the dark ages. The fall of Rome in 476 caused a power vacuum as German warlords vied for supremacy eventually resulting in the creation of feudalism. I'm not saying that the church didn't do those things but when people say that we would be 1000 years ahead of Christianity never existed it just isn't true. I mean the protestant reformation was the first time that literacy for the general population was advocated.
@JuliantheOnion, I don't really blame it on the Christians I blame it on Cesar at the time burning the city of Alexandria. Regardless of his reasons it was that burning of the library that destroyed the first ever steam engine which pretty much set us back about 1000 years.
@JuliantheOnion, I know a lot of people might not understand how the steam engine could have that much of an impact but the steam engine is what lead to the first steam powered ships and electricity generation. Yes it may have only been a toy at the time. But that simple toy being destroyed means it never had the chance to be exploited for other purposes when it was forgotten and not rediscovered until centuries later.
@Seohn, while i totally agree with you I also think that we have to take into consideration that Alexandria burned in 48bc while Rome fell and ushered in the dark ages 500 years later. While i don't think it necessarily caused the dark ages I would probably argue that if it survived the fall of Rome Europe would have recovered much faster
There's religious judgement in my funny pics and it doesn't taste good.
Actually the "dark ages" were full of enlightenment and scientific advances. The church put a ton of effort into education. This graph is grossly incorrect and biased, likely made by an "edgy" atheist that has never done any actual historical research. Source: pissed off graduate with a history degree
@Silver6456, I am sure Galileo did not feel supported...
@Silver6456, let's not forget all the great scientist that learned to read thanks to the Bible.
@Barry Dylan, lets also not forget that one of the most important part of science, the scientific method, creation is attributed to God, or Christianity for you atheist out there. Source: the guy who is credited with making the scientific method write in his journal that God told him to make it.
@Barry Dylan, let's also not forget the countless scientists who were burned because their findings went against the bible
@Jozef, hey I am agnostic just trying to point out a world without religion could go either way.
@Barry Dylan, you're not wrong. Good point
@Jozef, were they delivered swift, harsh zingers?
@Silver6456, thank you 🙌
@Silver6456, churches have done a lot of horrific things to scientists over the years but historically must centers of education were ran and funded by churches
@Silver6456, ya "Christian" Dark Ages is pretty biased. Christianity saved the western world from complete collapse. The stunted technological growth (and ultimately loss) came from the decay of the Roman empire.
@Silver6456, there are a multitude of reasons why the churchs role against science is overblown. Besides the fact that all the scientists that were struck down remained religious to their end, all condemned work did not evaporate. It even became famous for being barred. And the period that this happened vs the entire span of human technology achievement is microscope. There are religious people working on the hadron collider, and religion is still being treated like this practice never ended. It's like how whites are still accused of being responsible for slavery when everyone ever related to the actual event has died of age.
@Silver6456, edgy=/=thing you don't like
@Dephenistrator, whoa all that logic and critical thinking has no place in arguments about religion vs science. Some people think science and religion are mutually exclusive but throughout history they've coexisted and still coexist in modern science
@Jozef, since you say that the scientists that have been burned are "countless", I'd like you to name some. The only people that come to mind are Galileo, who was not burned, but put under house arrest under more complicated circumstances, and Bruno, who wasn't a scientist, and was burned at the stake under more complicated circumstances.
@Smurf309fs, what if I told you that issue between Galileo and the Church had less to do with the Church being anti-science and more Galileo being kind of an asshole and actually considerably unscientific with his approach.
@Finndogs, off course the issue was not black and white. That is true for all historic events. That was not my claim. The original graph is far from accurate also, but it is making a point. A lot of universities are founded by the church, scientific leaps are made there. The big bang theory was developed by a Belgian priest. But there is a pitfall, religious fanatics are anti scientific progress. One only has to look to creationist to see that there is a conflict when scientific facts rock the foundations of a religion. The graph is misleading and inaccurate but the world was regarded as flat during the middle ages while the circumference of the earth was already calculated by the Greeks. There was a step back...
@Smurf309fs, why I understand and agree with what your arguing, the last point you made was wrong. Yes the circumference of the earth was calculated by the greeks, but this knowledge was never lost to mideval Europe. No respectable person believed in the flat earth during that time.
@Finndogs, I stand corrected after some research! It is true that educated people never regarded the earth flat during the middle ages. However, I do think that disregarding scientific evidence towards for example evolution is a dangerous trend. I should have used that example in stead of the flat earth thing.
@Smurf309fs, I agree although, I'd be hard pressed to call it a trend. First because those who do are always within a small minority, and second because there will always be those who choose to be conciously ignorant. Just look at rapper B.o.B, who actually does beleives in the flat earth for no appearantly reason, despite having no religious affiliation.
@Finndogs, I agree to that!
@Smurf309fs, Google evolution and the Catholic Church. The Church as an institution has never taught that evolution is wrong, and has officially taught since 1950 that evolution is not in conflict with the faith.
@Toad, I know. But I find it a strange standpoint. They abandoned their own scripture, if Genesis is not an accurate account of actual events, there is no reason for Jesus to be born and sacrificed. This rocks the foundations of Christianity. And science is in direct conflict with genesis. But they did realize the evidence is overwhelming, hence they stopped opposing it. It is a bigger problem for evangelicals now. They have to either accept the bible to be wrong or evolution...
@Smurf309fs, it's not abandoning there own scripture since the Catholic Church isn't fundamentalist with its approach to scripture. They can't be considering that in Genesis there to two different accounts of creation; one where man is created first and one where man is created last. Rather what look at is the literal truth of the message that 1) Man was created by God 2) Man fell from grace and needs to be redeemed.
@Smurf309fs, no body took everything the bible said literally until around the 1600's.
@Smurf309fs, There are a significant number of Christians that think creationism is insane and makes no sense. However, a good number are also reasoned on the subject of evolution. Should it be dismissed solely out of hand? No. Should it be acknowledged that there are large holes in the theory that still need to be filled rather than taken as gospel? Yes. The answer lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, as is often the case.
@HiroAntagonist, well that is where you're wrong. Evolution is not a gospel, but there is overwhelming proof for it. In various scientific fields. From geology to micro biology. Evolution had already a mountain of proof, but when studying dna, that mountain became the Himalaya. The fact that people so easily dismiss all that evidence shows that the point I am trying to make here is valid!
@Finndogs, well those are 2 massive assumptions you've got there. What indications are there that man was create by god? What did we do to fall from grace? If you believe that to be true, what indications, besides the bible, are there to substantiate those claims?
@Smurf309fs, I'm not dismissing any evidence. But take something like the Cambrian explosion. There are two main theories that explain it that are in direct conflict with each other. There's not enough evidence to definitively prove one over the other. Each is backed up by another set of theories. Once your idea stops being based on evidence but on other ideas, it becomes philosophy rather than science. Add into that things like how the whole shebang started, the presence of traits that are contrary to survival of the fittest, and that all observed true mutations cause things like cancer rather than brand new species, and you can see why there are perfectly reasonable people that keep an open mind, which is what science is all about.
There's no need to dismiss everything at once, and as I said the answer likely incorporates multiple ideas. The things that have been conclusively proven prove certain parts, but there are other holes that have yet to be filled in, and might not ever be.
@Smurf309fs, Also, starting a discussion with a down vote and "you're wrong" isn't in the spirit of friendly discourse.
@Smurf309fs, I'm not here to discuss theology (I'm not a particularly good apologist), I was simply explaining the Catholic method of interpretation the Bible. If you want an actual answer I'd recommend visiting /r/Catholicism on reddit and asking them. There a reasonal buck and will hear you out.
@HiroAntagonist, first of all, you started the discussion with a downvote dude...secondly, the 2 examples you are bringing in the discussion show that you are missing the point. Evolution is about the passing of genetic material towards the next generation. It is not an explanation about the origin of life nor does it give an explanation about the factors that triggered the Cambrian explosion. Survival of the fittest is not a great example, it is not about which genetic material survives the longest but which one is able to pass his genetic material. Developing cancer passed the age on which you pass your genetics will not influence it. Creationism is not a scientific theory because it starts with an assumption and not with an observation. I am sorry, but saying that the 2 are even remotely equal requires you to dismiss evidence.
@Finndogs, i was raised in a catholic family and have been in many theological discussions. I have heard many interpretations of the bible, there is not just one interpretation. And the fact that there are so many ways to look at it invalidades it as a guidebook for moral behavior. It is an old book, rewritten and wrongly translated multiple times, that is what it is. The good thing is, nobody has to agree with me. But if people are going to restrict other people's freedom based on that book, it needs to be called out.
@Smurf309fs, First of all, that's a lame thing to say. Secondly, you're not paying attention to anything I'm saying. Dismissing things that Darwin himself, and the greater scientific community, have labeled as problems with evolutionary theory that need to be fixed is asinine and betrays your own lack of understanding. Lastly, I never said either were equal. I did, in fact, say that creationism ought to be rejected. We'll end things here, as it's apparent you have your tunnel view and want to deride rather than discourse. Good day
@Smurf309fs, it's faulty to see the Bible as a book. It's a collection of stories or smaller "books", in one binding. Further more simply being raised Catholic hardly qualifies anything. Theological discussion is merely individual debate, without education. How much theological study have you gone through? Check the Catachism Article 3 starting with 101.
There was advancement going on outside of Europe during the dark ages
@thelemonzester, Yeah, the Middle East was doing pretty good. Up until the Mongols.
@thelemonzester, and can't forget the fact that the romans made scant advancements, mostly military and economic advancements, but scant advancements in scnience
@thelemonzester, there was advancement going on in Europe as well. And modern historians don't call them the dark ages for his reason.
And I'd still be on the toilet looking at funnypics
@MistaJoke, actually, maybe I'd be there, but in spaaaaace
Ah yes because the Dark Ages were caused simply by Christianity
@Potoooooooo, Historically, yes. The church suppressed scientific research and censored scientists and logicians.
@UmActually, yep, they were horrifically suppressed. The kind hearted Muslims only cut their heads off.
@Torq Rinch, They didn't though. The Muslim world was incredibly pro-science during the European dark ages.
Oh, it's just a 700 year setback,
@DeathbyBadgers, I could've been fücken aliens by now if not for old christians ffs
@I Dexios Divine I, Assuming that aliens are roughly humanoid and that all their open orifices don't have teeth
@HiroAntagonist, now im imagining putting me manhood in a toothed orifice.
Imagine the dankness level of the memes
Buzzfeed can bullsh*t data better than this.
@Doctor Krieger, I get better data than this when I wipe my ass.
Family guy episode when stewie and Brian go to different universes and they go to the one that Christianity didn't exist. That's what this reminded me of.
Scientific fact!: ROCKET SHIPS were invented and perfected in the Middle Ages!
Not when part of the scientific progress includes making graphs about scientific progress. ;-)
This makes me deeply sad because it's at least somewhat true...
@Corpsman , this is not even remotely true. Advancement is not a unit of measurement. The y axis might as well have been labeled 'froogles'.
@Corpsman , the Christian dark ages were actually a prosperous time for much of the world. just because it has a negative sounding name doesn't mean that the entire world was set back centuries of progress. not to mention the fact that this graph has no discernable meaning because of its y-axis.
@Corpsman , I am aware that the y axis is useless. I never said that this graph was accurate.
@Corpsman , I'd also like to point out that scientific advancement didn't revert during the "dark ages". It's not like we went from iron weaponry (for example) back to stone or something.
@Sir Topham Hatt, honestly I didn't notice the rip on Christianity at first. It's just that technology rises in leaps after each individual paradigm shifting discovery.
The invention of radio waves.
The discovery of penicillin.
The invention of the first automobile.
So on and so forth.
Technology doesn't rise at any sort of a measurable pace. That's why we can't accurately predict the future. There was less than a hundred years between the invention of the plane and man landing on the moon, yet since man landed on the moon nearly fifty years ago there has been nothing done even close to approaching that feat.
This graph is the most idiotic, meaningless, and pointless dig at both science and religion. We should all just downvote this picture and move on.
@Sir Topham Hatt, Also, while Christian Europe was in the Dark ages, the Muslim world was prospering greatly and made many leaps and bounds in the fields of medicine and astronomy.
@Corpsman , or because you're atleast somewhat retarded.
@Torq Rinch, oh? What's this? Did you get butthurt? I'd recommend preparation H. Yeah just slather it all up in there and it should help
@Corpsman , no butthurt here. Simply stating facts.
@Torq Rinch, I dunno man, from the way you're walking and that little whiny voice youre using, sounds like you're butthurt. Is it bleeding? You might want to see a doctor.
@Corpsman , lololol you a big man ain't you? Do you feel clever with your butthurt comments and all that online bravado? I'm simply poking at people like you to get reactions. And you keep playing right into my hand. Is pathetic.
@Torq Rinch, so you literally just admitted that you're a troll? Alrighty then. Let's go at it this way. During the dark ages, it was a fact that some "radical" scientists were repressed because what they were researching or what they had discovered was against what the majority believed in, very possibly causing some stagnation in some scientific areas. This is why my original comment said "somewhat true". Now let's see your factual proof that I'm somewhat retarded.
@Corpsman , You're goddamned right I am. You're just proving my point further by reacting bigger and bigger when I told you I was doing this for the reactions.
@Torq Rinch, I dunno. Typing is pretty easy for me. I thought you'd like a chance to not act retarded and act like the 17+ year old you should be, but apparently you don't. Peace out dude
@Corpsman , peace out bby. Dunt cri to much
B-b-but our souls are saved...
@dhiler, the victims of mass shootings would like to disprove that
@I Dexios Divine I, you must have missed the sarcasm
Actually the greatest setback was the burning of the library of alexandria. As he conquered the world he stole from every library he could and stashed centuries of knowledge there which burned. Some very useful things would never be made again a few centuries
Can this app please stop it with the opening of 5 apps every 3 pictures.
Look at me, I am the smart atheist person. I too contribute to shortfalls in scientific advancement as evidenced by my inability to create a graph.
And just think in the next couple hundred years the possibility of us regressing in technology is very likely. Isnt the future amazing. All we have to do is let all those regressive science hating muslims flood into our western nations. Its like inviting christians from the dark ages into this country but worse.
@BlazingBowman, uhhhh i hope i just missed your sarcasm
@BlazingBowman, bad comment
@BlazingBowman, Jeez, dude, have you gone off the deep end? You're going full xenophobe, never go full xenophobe.
@BlazingBowman, that's not progressive and it hurts my feelings. It's not like the refugees are raping people in mass. Oh wait... Well at least they aren't creating their own legal systems inside of countries they migrated to and breaking those countries laws. Oh wait... Well at least they aren't creating a huge spike in violent crime. Oh wait... It's not like over 40% of polled Muslims in the UK support physical violence against people who insult Islam. Oh wait...
@UmActually, xenophobia is fear of outsiders and dofferent people im more than happy to take people from litterally anywhere else in the world besides the dark age witch hunting areas that are for some reason beyond criticism in our culture.
@UmActually, and even then im happy to take people from those areas but not mass immigration which might threaten our way of life.
Christianity is poison.
@JakobJeanCiccone, hatred of cultural differences is poison
@Dephenistrator, hatred of cultural differences is christianity
@AbelFive, on that note you might as well say islam as well
Wouldn't it be a plateau...this graph makes it look like we forgot about wheels and fire
Oh, you mean the collapse of the Roman Empire, which started the dark ages?
This would be more realistic if everything before about the last hundred years was barely above a straight line
Oh my god... did you guys watch "the walking dead" season 7 premier? I don't know how to feel...
@Firecracker Jim, I think I may have a stroke soon
They forgot about the Greek dark ages
God damn it christians!!
Where would we be without religion, oh yeah in space
I also just want to point out that this graph isn't even blaming Christianity for the dark ages, it's only calling it the "Christian dark ages" because the Muslim countries were more or less fine
Oh boy, the euphorics are really starting to come out of the woodworks
Actually we are, but because we are cheap af we only do it from earth. It's called a "telescope"
The collapse of the Roman Empire, burning of the Library at Alexandria during Greek times, and the Crusades were much more harmful than the Dark Ages.
At least that's my opinion.
@Buffalonian, I would argue that the crusades shouldn't be on that list, as it did open the western world not only a trade route with the east, but also brought back older and newer schools of learning preserved by the Muslims starting a 12th century renaissance. Rather I'd replace the crusades with the rapid Muslim invasion with cut off Europe from Asia (until Marco Polo) brought the black death, and destroyed the House of Wisdom in Bagdad (Islam's answer to the Library of Alexandria).
@Buffalonian, I meant Mongol invasion. Sorry
Unrelated I just watched the season premiere of the walking dead and I want to know people's opinions
@InsaneWorm, what the fúck.
@InsaneWorm, that was the most fúcked up episode of the show
@Two Left Feet, fúcked up but so good, so good...in my opinion
@InsaneWorm, I'm very surprised at who got killed. That was not even close to what I was expecting
@Two Left Feet, I had a feeling for some of it but the whole episode was soooo heavy
@InsaneWorm, I had goosebumps the entire time. I'm interested to see if the focus is taken off Rick's group. I could see it shifting towards Negan
@Two Left Feet, i'm really interested in how the kingdom is going to play in with the season
@InsaneWorm, this is going to be a really dark season. I think a lot more people are going to die