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@kyleywyote, no, no, that's the basic theory
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@kyleywyote, nah, you're more or less on point. Vaccines help your body shut diseases down before they have a chance to do any significant damage in many cases
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@kyleywyote, yeah, vaccines are basically a demo for your body to try out before fighting the actual virus. I've gotten sick from a flu shot when I was a tod lol my system was crap back then. Pretty sure I'd be dead if vacs never existed
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@kyleywyote, yeah, that's right. Except for the fact that vaccines also contain mercury...
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@Uranusisbig, so you're afraid of less than a microgram of Mercury? And just so you're aware, a microgram is 0.000001 of a gram. The amount of Mercury considered safe to ingest in a day is exactly 1 microgram per kilogram you weigh. And I guarantee you you weigh more than a kilogram, so you're probably safe.
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@kyleywyote, consider it a workout or conditioning for the immune system
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@Sybil Reisz, also, it's ethyl mercury, which can be ingested and excreted in addition to having a much shorter half life than methyl mercury, which is the kind that people generally think about.
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@Sybil Reisz, woah woah, so many downvotes. When did I say I was afraid of mercury nor that it was bad?? I simply said vaccines contain mercury, and you provided the statistic to prove it. Why is everyone letting emotions do the talking?
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@Uranusisbig, well that doesn't stop people eating fish
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@I Dexios Divine I, I'm weird. I used to get sick once per winter and that was it. But by now I haven't gotten anything in at least 3 or 4 years. I AM IMMUNE.
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@Uranusisbig, I provided the statistic to prove that it's an insignificant amount of mercury, and as someone else kindly pointed out, the compound of Mercury in vaccines is Ethyl Mercury, which safely passes through your system as long as you don't inject yourself with a whole syringe of the stuff. The compound that's highly toxic to humans is Methyl Mercury, and the Methyl variety also stays in your system for almost twice as long.
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@kyleywyote, Sounds correct to me. I've always known vaccines to help your immune system recognize and fight that disease in particular. It generates antibodies to fight that disease, which better protect the body from that disease in the future.
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@Sybil Reisz, why is there any Mercury in my Vaccines though? I get it's not harmful but.... Is it a byproduct? Shelf life improved? Ect?
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@KingofFunnypics, It's part of a compound for sterilization and preservation. It keeps you from accidentally catching life threatening diseases while you're getting cured.
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@kyleywyote, no, you're right. Vaccines boost the immune system so these ailments get fought off before causing lasting harm. Vaccines and immunizations aren't identical
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@kyleywyote, but it affects the brain,where no immune cells are, and causes autism duh.
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@Uranusisbig, If it's insignificant and doesn't harm you, there's no point in talking about it.
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@kyleywyote, No, you're right. But this is the Internet, so that's kind of irrelevant to a lot of people here I'm afraid.
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@The Puppet Man, or about to get hit by a ton of shjtty sickness bricks. I'm kinda waiting for my Mac truck to run me over into the sick wing.
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The problem is kids like this give credence to "vaccines cause autism"
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@MickelPickel, Amen to that. Seriously people, vaccinate your kids
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@MickelPickel, yea... a genetic disorder is caused by medicine or the introduction of a virus into the body.... such a logical thing.... smdh.. people
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@MickelPickel, they clearly give it to this kid
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@Charlemagne, but people who don't want to shouldn't be treated like leppers.
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@celtics313131, I disagree. It's irresponsible and dangerous for your child. There is basically no downside to it and vaccinations truly work best in a society where everyone gets vaccinated as there is no hide out where the virus might survive to later generations
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@Charlemagne, well, good opinion. But I have plenty of friends who don't vaccinate and they are great people and there kid had never been sick. Not saying it's right or wrong, I'm saying people like you shouldn't treat them like the devil
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@celtics313131, I won't treat them any differently than others. I made a hyperbole. I will however try to convince them to get vaccines. Just because you aren't vaccinated/don't get your kid vaccinated doesn't make you not a great person. You're just not being responsible in that aspect.
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@Charlemagne, but earlier I said they don't deserve to be treated like leppers and you said you disagree. But it's cool man. One thing though, is all the people who do vaccinate, if they are so comfortable with it working, why be scared to have your kid around unvaccinated
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@celtics313131, I wouldn't be scared to have my kids around them. It's just irresponsible of the parents to not vaccinate the kid and thus it could spread and infect kids who are too young to get the vaccine. Basically they are potentially allowing the virus to survive. Take polio for example. We had a massive vaccine drive and now it's extinct everywhere in the world except Afghanistan and Pakistan where they refuse to get vaccinated. Because of that choice polio is still around and affecting people. Vaccines aren't about the individual, they're about the community
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@celtics313131, as @Charlemagne pointed out, these unvaccinated kids are endangering kids that are too young to be vaccinated. These kids rely on the common immunity of the rest. These unvaccinated kids are not catching preventable diseases because other parents did vaccinate their kids, but this stops being the case if more parents stop vaccinating. So yes, it is irresponsible to not vaccinate your kids, you endanger your kids and the ones that can't be vaccinated for any reason. So those parents should be informed how ignorant and irresponsible they are, as many times possible...
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@Smurf309fs, but kids who are vaccinated still catch the same things. It's not like if you don't vaccinate, you catch some new disease that hasn't been discovered
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@celtics313131, I think you're missing the point of what he said. Even if it's not a new disease children who can't get vaccinated due to age can get the disease if older children who should have already been vaccinated aren't.
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@rapey the stick man, I got the point thx. My original point to all this was that people call others horrible people and ignorant people. Some people I know who don't vaccinate are very smart. I just hate all the negativity that's in the world now, and instead of just expressing your opinion, you call others names because they don't believe what you believe. My kids are vaccinated and they get sick more than any kids I know. So....
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@Apollo44, also, it implies that autism is a bad thing when it doesn't have to be. a lot of people view it as a difference, not a disability, like being right vs left handed, being an introvert vs an extrovert, etc. Mild to moderate forms of autism are only disabling because society is set up for neurotypical people, not neurodiverse people. There's nothing inherently 'wrong' with the autistic brain, it's just not what people are used to.
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@celtics313131, I'mma make this simple for ya since you are getting the info piecemeal and it seems you are, understandably, missing the point. Look up the theory of Herd Immunity. There are some fantastic graphs/gifs that explain it. Basically, if 90% of a population is immune, the remaining 10% is shielded as a result, even if they are not. (Remember this is abridged, supplement with your own research). Transfer to humans. 10% of the population is allergic to immunizations, too young to safely take them, or too old to survive them. This 10% is protected from life-threatening illnesses by the 90%. It is irresponsible and morally reprehensible to refuse vaccines for any reason besides a valid health concern because you are actively reducing the herd immunity. If it drops below 90% because of you, you have in effect killed dozens of people by extension. Modern day example (look it up)- Measles in Disneyland and New York. Specifically, a NY community that had below average vaccine rates.
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@celtics313131, Several children were infected and could have died or have permanent health issues now because those adults broke the herd immunity shield. As to the ignorance of vaccine deniers, you can be very well versed in one subject and a completely ignorant fool in another. Case in point, me with English vs Math. They are either ignorant on vaccines and will change their minds after being educated or horrible people for putting themselves above hundreds of thousands of others. As to your kids being sick even though they are vaccinated, O think it is safe to presume they haven't gotten the illnesses they are vaccinated against, have less than effective immune systems in general, and probably would be way worse off if it wasn't for vaccines. Also, anecdotal evidence science does not make. Your single instance does not change the truth of the full population. And to see what happens when people deny vaccines look to the roving gangs in Middle Eastern countries above. Kids die.
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@celtics313131, Sorry for butting back in but I want to address your comment to @rapey the stick man, Just because your kids are vaccinated doesn't mean that they won't get sick. Far from it. Vaccines aren't an umbrella cure. They are designed for a specific virus such as polio. With flu Vaccines the scientists try to determine what strain of the flu (there's thousands) will be the most prominent this year and hand out Vaccines accordingly. They could be wrong so you could still get the flu. Does that mean that Vaccines don't work? No it means they,work great, you just got the wrong one. But tbh your kids getting sick more than any kids you know is just them having a weak immune system which means tbh they should have more Vaccines for semi benign viruses. Now, I don't try to be upfrontly mean to anti-vaxxers. I won't hold a sign saying "YOU'RE KILLING OUR KIDS" or something like that, but if someone asks me if they should get their kids vaccinated, I will always say yes as its the mor
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@Charlemagne, al and responsible thing to do.
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@TheCruzanator, see how you started your comment, talking down to me, you are proving my point exactly. I wasn't agreeing either way. But how people like you treat others, especially ones who don't get vaccinated, I believe, is wrong. Thx for your response, but don't talk down to me you fu*k, you're not better than me because you believe in vaccinations. Thx. Love ya
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@celtics313131, I opened with a statement saying I understand why you are possibly confused by everyone else's responses as it is reasonable with such a complex topic. That's called being understanding and sympathetic. Not my problem if a blatantly abridged form of info on a forum like this made you salty just because you don't like being spoken to directly and efficiently. I gave you hard facts and science, getting pissy over it shows immaturity and a lack in ability to level-headedly absorb new ideas in a debate. And you are right, I'm not better than you just because I am more informed about vaccines than you. But, I definitely didn't name call. So I got that going for me, which is nice.
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@celtics313131, Oh and for a direct proof of my humble presentation, look to my offering up my own inadequacy in Mathematics. You see what you want to. As such, I declare you a lost cause. But the info will still be of use to those who are open-minded or just unawares. Thus, I say good day to you sir. I SAID GOOD DAY
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@TheCruzanator, I think part of the issue is that people take scientific evidence as more of a "guideline" instead of a fact. It's the same with climate change or evolution; people see the word "theory" (which on science is one step down from "law," i.e. Theory of quantum mechanics versus law of gravity; one is the best understanding we have based on a compendium of evidence, the other is always true) and think that they don't have to believe it. Then, when presented with overwhelming scientific evidence, they choose to be more stalwart in their defense of their belief. As a scientist, it gets incredibly frustrating when speaking to these people.
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@MickelPickel, While that definitely plays a part in it, I'd say it is the public forum of debate that really causes issues. People take things personally and assume that the dissection of their arguments is actually an attack directed at their person. Kind of like, people see their ideas as themselves and their identities, and for a lot of people it is hard or too destabilizing to admit something you saw as a part of you is wrong. And those people become brick walls in the face of facts coming from us scientists who are made to willingly seek out ways to destroy our own hypothesises. People are weird. But don't lose hope! If you are informed, you gotta try to spread it to as many people as possible, just get that open mindset across. Not even the ideas, but the way to approach them. The rest will come in time.
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@TheCruzanator, hey, guy, I'm glad your sad pathetic life rewards you in making other people feel dumb on an app. Good for you. But let me say again,I wasn't defending either argument. I was simply saying I don't like how people like you and people who get there kids vaccinated treat others who don't. And I got salty, as your simple mind put it, because you were being very condescending. So, grow up, get a life and stop acting smart on the internet, because that's the dumbest kind of smart. Good day to you, sir.
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@celtics313131, I don't like the way this discussion went...the point is missed. I'll illustrate this with my personal situation: I have a 3 month old baby. The little boy is going through his vaccinations. He is, however, too young to receive some vaccination and therefore is relying on the herd immunization to not get those horrible and preventable diseases. So you can try to be nice on the internet and try to inform people but being nice when people are endangering the health of my baby by being ignorant is hard. If you are not vaccinating your kids, you are endangering his life! And that makes me as a father mad. These days you can not play the 'I did not know' card with all the resources available. So those parents are ignoring and refuting evidence, and they should be told. If they do not accept informing them nicely, we'll have to step it up until they realize that they are being ignorant! And there is no nice way to tell somebody he is being a fool ...1/2
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@Smurf309fs, 2/2 definitely not when he/she is playing with the health of my son!
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@celtics313131, wrong. These are the people that transmit illnesses to others that can't get vaccines for various reasons (such as allergies or compromised immune system due to other factors). They're called carriers or vectors. Or, as you so eloquently put it: lepers.
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Parent burns on Facebook are the best burns.
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@Hotchkiz, very sad ones too lol
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Congrats. You played yourself.
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I think it's very insightful when self-proclaimed medical professionals share such profound sh*t.
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Also did know your immune system would stop polio
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@Charlemagne, God this comment is awful. Also didn't know your immune system would stop polio*
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The picture OP posted is actually pretty sarcastic towards vaccines... It suggest that saying 'my immune system is good enough' is akin to saying 'I can just used my magic powers to stop these bullets'. I feel OP is on the wrong side of the pitchfork on this one...
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Lol dîckheadddd
Vaccines don't replace your immune system. They basically expose you to a weakened form of an antigen so your immune system can recognize said antigen and create antibodies to fight it. That way, if your exposed to a stronger form of an antigen, your body can start fighting it before it kills you. Correct me if I'm wrong though, my understanding could be off