Climate change is real. It's been happening since the Earth was formed.
The real question is: how much impact do humans have? And at what cost should we try to reduce the impact?
Now before anyone gets all outraged, think about the second question and come up with a reasonable and logical argument. No emotional shrieking.
@big freedom, *emotional shrieking*
@big freedom, since the industrial revolution temperatures have risen way beyond normal fluctuations that was typical before the mass pollution of industry. This is coming from a staunch republican
@big freedom, the costs would depend on the impact it will make. Most believe that without some change eventually we will push the system so far out of balance that a large majority of life on earth will be lost without hope of recovery. If that is true I think cost would not matter. For the record, I personally don't know as much as I should about the subject so I am not claiming one side or the other.
@Mkb617, cost has to matter. We can eliminate 100% of human pollutants. This would certainly help the environment, but no jobs and little food for anyone. There has to be some sort of balance.
@Michael Fassbender, we haven't been tracking climate change that long. So we really can't tell if it has changed all that much since the industrial revaluation.
@big freedom, since we would normally be entering an "ice age", but are instead increasing the temperatures at a rate much faster than ever in history, I think we have good reason to act and spend a lot to ensure humanity's prosperity.
@big freedom, if we could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to everyone on the planet that by now changing our ways we would basically lose the planet I am pretty sure our ways would get changed regardless of cost
@Mkb617, * not changing
@big freedom, we could just commit genocide too. The best solutions tend to be unethical.
@big freedom, Also, many small third world countries are set to be engulfed in water from the raising sea levels, I think we should really be worried because it is immoral to let their lives be ruined just so we (first world countries) can pollute more.
@Bellith, every year a months temperature would fluctuate maybe a degree Celsius but in these past few years the temperatures have increased steadily and 97% of scientists support human driven climate change, 97%
@Bellith, there are other ways to get data on the climate of the past. Direct observation is the most reliable, but definitely not the only source of information we have.
@big freedom, I like your comment. I made a similar statement the last Climate a change debate came up and got down voted like crazy. Glad that isn't happening for you :-)
Although I did bring up how it is real but really being leveraged as more of a business opportunity
@Ghost of Agent GIF, I don't downvoted because I want to see the discussion, but I still completely disagree.
@big freedom, Anyone that thinks we shouldn't do anything about the radical climate change is living under a rock. Most people agree its a problem yet despite worrying about it in theory they do not actually try and contribute to change. Not all problems have a solution, something I think people sometimes forget
@big freedom, seeing as we passed point of no return levels of c02 in the atmosphere let alone greenhouse gases where it would become pretty much futile for any impact we'd actually make now..... been like that since early 2014 if not earlier
don't get me wrong we are globally warming by a lot 3+ degrees on average that's huge
But from the research I've done and read
It's pretty much futile at this point
And we have much bigger things to worry about climate wise which will effect us greatly sooner than climate in its current rate of change will
@Michael Fassbender, best solutions could not be unethical but then again people define best differently. A lot of times the easiest solution could be unethical
@carguy25, I firmly believe that to be junk science. The panicky - it's too late crowd - are just trying to whip up the crowd. The Earth is amazingly resilient and has a way of healing itself quite rapidly. We should do more to reduce use of fossil fuels and decrease dependency on mining for metals. But it's definitely not "too late".
@carguy25, for one, saying CO2 and greenhouse gases is weird because CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Second, we may have or may not have passed the point of no return. No one knows that for sure yet. And to say globally we are warming by 3+ degrees on average? When you claim something is changing you need to give over what time frame. Is that a day, a week, a month? My guess is you meant per year. According to NASA the average land temp has gone up something like 1.4defrees F since 1880. According to Climate.gov we have gone up .3 F per decade in the last 45 years. People don't realize that even 1 degree is huge but to try to claim 3 per year? I am 43 years old and it is definitely not 129 degrees warmer than it was when I was younger. I also have an 18 year old nephew and it hasn't gone up 54 degrees since he was born either.
@big freedom, we've literally gotten to self sustaining levels
There's literally no way to effectively reduce them naturally
And will only increase
+ in reality it's never going to happen especially with the amount of air traffic we have
And not to mention China with its very lax laws
@Mkb617, I'm not saying 3 degrees per year that's stupid
I'm saying we're 3 degrees than we normally should be
I could have worded that better though
Many places have conflicting information so I could be wrong on the exact number
@big freedom, Well humans increase the amount of carbon in the atmosphere and continuously destroy the ozone layer, showering the surface of the Earth with harmful radiation. Now for life on Earth this doesn't seem like that big of an issue considering the fact that the climate here is cyclic, we go through periods of extreme temperatures and thanks to extremophiles there will be a recurring atmosphere being formed and creating a habitat for life.
For us though this is very dangerous, we can make the climate very hostile and barren to us and force ourselves into a mass extinction.
@carguy25, 3 degrees over what time frame? Are we 3 degrees warmer than last year? A decade ago? A century? And yes data is conflicting. You can have an unseasonably warm summer in some areas and be colder in others and have a higher average overall. Most reputable studies, including the ones who say we are destroying the earth only say 1 to 1.5 over the last century or so.
@carguy25, and yea it was when you said we were warming by 3 degrees on average instead of saying we are 3 degrees warmer that made it sound different than you meant
@Mkb617, I was mostly trying to keep it short because I literally just left a giant comment but I'm guessing i left in some sort of swear or something because it just rejected it
So I just basically summerised and I guess I forgot to add the where we should be
@carguy25, compared to over the last century I believe*** but I also could be wrong on that it's been forever since I looked at it and everything is constantly changing
@carguy25, yeah I hate that especially when it is a word that you know technically is a swear but don't think about it when typing
@Mkb617, exactly! Like WTF we can have pictures with swears but don't you accidentally say one resembling one
But others like cunt we can say
@carguy25, yeah and it would be nice if it said something like can't post because of language instead of just acting like it posted but just disappearing instead
@Bellith, we've been noticing since the late 1800s that carbon dioxide emissions have had an impact on making a greenhouse affect making the planet hotter. If we keep going at the rate we're going then earth will end up like Venus. Evaporated oceans, methane and carbon dioxide rich atmosphere, and no life.
@Dr Kriegerstein, "life finds a way"
@Michael Fassbender, good now convince the rest of your kind
@eleven, as soon as you convince the rest of your kind that socialism doesn't work
@eleven, or that gender is "how you feel", or that you aren't entitled to an education, or healthcare, or anyone else's work. Do that and I'll make an effort to convince republicans that climate change is effected by man
@Michael Fassbender, go back to your poorly written bible also trickle down economics don't work many of the 1% should give up large amounts of money because they are doing literally nothing with 70% percent of it the money should be managed by someone who isn't rich the borders should be reopened because the common people don't seem to realize that many people would leave and go home to Mexico guns should be harder to obtain overpopulation is a thing so many should adopt and the olympics are a waste of time and money especially building new stadiums every time instead of using old ones Now tell me how else would you wish to be offended I was making a joke you turned it into a thing
@eleven, I hate structured religion dipshiτ
@eleven, here's the thing, republicans won everything. The Democratic Party is dead. Go enjoy your safe spaces where other psychos will support your opinion while they're still here because in about a month trump is getting here and it's gonna be glorious
@Michael Fassbender, first of the liberals aren't right either they're far too lenient on stupidity sorry but no destroy those safe spaces it encourages moronic people like you to keep doing what you're doing but if you legitimately supported Trump you're already too far stupid Hilary was slime Trump is an especially greedy and gullible madman the only decent candidate was Bernie but the media is greedy so they shut him down also tell which part of that previous statement offended you the most
@eleven, Bernie was a socialist. Bernie was a failure.
@eleven, Trump is the winner
@Michael Fassbender, that doesn't answer my question
@eleven, I'm not offended by your misinformation. Run along now.
@Michael Fassbender, well all I wanted to do after you made this a thing was to annoy you so mission accomplished I will indeed run along goodbye ignorant pawn
@eleven, I'm so annoyed, got me all flustered, oh what'll I do, you're such a genius, #thiscunt2020
@Michael Fassbender, the guy who didn't care wouldn't have responded the first time also don't use those hashtag things they make you look dumber than you already are
@eleven, yeah, I get it now, you're one of those anti social people that doesn't have any normal friends, if any at all. You think you're superior to everyone else and so you can't be bothered with their stupidity, when in reality you're just a burden to everyone.
@Michael Fassbender, you're really not catching on are you fine I will continue to annoy you no I don't have friends it's because I have asbergers and developed with a certain set of tendencies so am I just don't care about many of the things that others obsess over which allows me to see through part of the veil but at the cost of quite a bit of empathy so would you like me stop now or are just dense enough to antagonize me further
@eleven, LSD did the same thing to me so don't act special because you suck.
@Michael Fassbender, you still wish for my presence you are a dense one aren't you I'm not special except for my long stream of injuries and illnesses but that's not necessarily a good thing but I wasn't the dumb one who took dangerous hallucinogens now have you learned your lesson Good bye till we clash again have fun being ignorant
@eleven, dangerous? Haha oh boy you need some education on drugs. It's nearly impossible to die from an LSD overdose
@eleven, well you wish I had fun being ignorant. You have fun being unable to form normal relationships with other people and dying alone.
@big freedom, why has there been more than one ice age
@Cade9616, really! That's your big gotcha debate question?
Why has there been a single ice age? Why does Earths temperature fluctuate from year to year and millennia to millennia?
*cuts down more rainforests* we're just in the middle of a natural process
@Captain Kirk Hinrich, what we are doing to the rainforest is criminal in my opinion but anyone who thinks that animals do not change their environment to suit their needs should watch animal kingdom or National Geographic. Humans just do it on a much larger and destructive scale
99% of scientists: global warming is real.
1% of scientists: global warming isn't real.
Fox News: WELL WE JUST DONT HAVE ALL THE FACTS IN YET
@tampon theif, not going one way or the other but the same was true when galileo proposed we weren't the center of the solar system
@tampon theif, Tbh, we don't... There is so much about this planet that we don't know. We learn more and more everyday, but we will never truly know all the facts. That's why we have the THEORY of evolution. The THEORY of global warming. Most facts that we HAVE point toward those, but we cannot be sure. But I see your point about the Fox News thing... I hate every news channel, though, so take that with a grain of salt.
@Frodrevo, i think Copernicus was the guy who originally did in more recent times and Galileo believed it and confirmed it.
@tampon theif, The earth goes through temperature changes over decades, I'm not saying that we have no effect on our planet, but everybody driving a Prius and voting for Hillary Clinton will make an exponentially minute change if any.
@tampon theif, except the 99% of scientist agree thing is completely made up. Any one who actually takes the time to properly research this would see that it isn't true. Louder with Crowder has a few videos that mention this.
@Leprechaun Giant, after a quick Google search you are correct my good man/woman, have an upvote
@Unamused Llama,A: just because something is a scientific theory doesn't mean there's not evidence for it. A scientific theory has to be repeatedly tested and confirmed. B: global warming isn't a theory, it's been directly observed for decades. The overwhelming consensus of the scientific community is that man has contributed substantially to climate change, and while we are always getting new data, the likelihood of that data directly contradicting all of the data collected over the past couple decades is minuscule
@tampon theif, i cannot read all of your comment (i got to "theory doesn't m...)
@tampon theif, sorry...
@GreenF7, lol exponentially minute. You do realize the word exponential means it would increase rapidly right?
@Unamused Llama, climate change deniers everyone; boldly refusing the facts since 1896
@Mkb617, negative exponents m8. Makes really small numbers
@tampon theif, it's actually 3% of scientists deny climate change
@tampon theif, exponents and exponential are two different things
@Mkb617, sorry I phrased that wrong. Exponents can be small but to say something is exponentially minute would have to mean it is getting smaller and smaller and eventually would disappear altogether because there is only so small you can go and remain the same thing. So unless you are saying it is having no effect it does not make sense.
@tampon theif, also exponentially is an adverb that would be used to describe an action. You would not say something is exponentially large or exponentially small. You would say something is growing exponentially or has an exponential rate of decay.
@tampon theif, actually anyone with a PHD can get his buddies to sign off on his work. It's called scientific method and don't think it isn't easy. That is how they make money. You spend time trying to prove something then you provide data that contradicts that... not good for your funding. Don't take everything at face value. We only see the positive data that supports the real search and it's always when... get ready... funding is needed 😯
@Unamused Llama, don't reply to a comment and then refuse to humor their point of view. That's so disrespectful (and stupid).
@Unamused Llama, actually, you didn't just "not humour his point of view" you refused to hear it. That's literally the most ignorant thing you can do.
@Unamused Llama, the scientific definition/credibility of a theory varies quite a bit from layman's terms
@Michael Fassbender, not exactly, that statistic has been twisted. 97% means scientists surveyed at a climate change conference, and that 97% is only those who believe that mankind has some impact. A lot of that 97% don't believe that its a man made crisis or a crisis at all. Plus, we've been hearing the doomsday about water levels rising and drowning entire countries for decades, still hasn't happened.
@Oujosh29, lets hope it doesn't happen. Floods means no New Orleans which means no Mardi Gras 😢
@Michael Fassbender, as long as kauai doesn't go anywhere I'm good
@Oujosh29, you bet your ass Kauai would be fricked, I dated a girl from Maui once, Hawaii is tight
@Unamused Llama, what do you listen too? I want a nice unbiased news source. But they seem to just not exist.
@KingofFunnypics, again i cant read your full comment. im several updates behind everyone, because my phone is old... i dont know why i got downvited for stating that earlier, but... ok...
@Unamused Llama, tell me good news group. Pls.
@Unamused Llama, I short comment.
@Unamused Llama, you cool
@KingofFunnypics, i honestly dont pay much attention to the media. if a topic interests me, i research it for weeks and get the facts for myself.
...But in the people have known the world was round since the ancient Greeks
@Grand Champion, just because academics and scientists may have figured something out doesn't mean that the people as a whole knew it.
@Grand Champion, I'd guess during the dark ages they forgot it again. Along with pretty much everything else the Greeks figured out.
@Grand Champion, and people have know climate change is real since the 1950's, yet here we are
@IAmFlame, I thought this also for a long time until someone pointed out that it is wrong. During the dark ages, the general consensus amongst educated people was that the earth was round.
@Mkb617, The book of Isiah written in 8th century BC recognized the roundness of the earth in one of its verses.
@AnimusJ, Isaiah was a prophet and part of the nobility and it was more than 2000 years after him before most common people knew how to read and write so how does that disprove my point?
@Mkb617, He was hardly nobility - but it demonstrates knowledge of the shape long ago and his writings as a prophet would've been taught to the people (the ones who couldn't read).
People knew long ago is my primary point.
@AnimusJ, well according to Jewish beliefs he had royal blood and was the cousin of king Uzziah. His writings spoke of God being above the circle of the earths. It wasn't spoken of as a sphere. Something can be flat and circular. Ever had pancakes?
@Mkb617, of course he was a cousin, they were all freaking cousins they came from the same guy - Abraham.
You're now trying to justify a different language with speculation based on modern day language.
It's cool man, go play with your pancakes.
@AnimusJ, everyone alive and in the kingdom were cousins because Abraham was a common ancestor? So does that make us cousins because if you go back far enough we probably do as well? And just because something is taught and can be known does not mean that the average person knows about it. There are a great many people who know about dark matter and its affect on the universe, and it is not hard to find out about it on the interweb, but if you went out on the street do you think a very high percentage of average people know much about it other than its name?
People don't realize that climate change means that the weather is going to get increasingly more erratic. That means more intense cold and heat. Some people also don't realize that humans are just accelerating a natural climate process
@Two Left Feet, I disagree, sort of, in part of that. I think the majority of people who believe humans are effecting climate realize that is is a natural process we are effecting. I doubt very many of them think that things would stay the exact same without us and the others seem to believe we are having an effect, they just disagree that the effect is very big.
Most people knew the earth was round by then. When ships left for the seas and crossed over the horizon, they eventually disappeared from bottom to top and didn't drop off, giving the sense that the earth had a curvature of some sort
If my djck is real explain that?!
@Ceaseless Cessation , explain what? I don't see anything
Some people actually do have valid points in their beliefs. With earth going through cycles of temperature ranges and how much of this global warming is done because of us. There are reports the ice caps are getting more ice than ever. I don't necessarily lean one way or the other. I'm just saying there is evidence
@StiffWood, that is true, there are actually some portions where there is more ice than ever. It's just not reported
@StiffWood, yes there are portions that have more
But overall we have globally lost ice
@carguy25, hence why it's called GLOBAL warming. It's an overall, average effect. (I'm not disagreeing with you, just enhancing the point you made)
While yes we are increasing way past normal fluctuations and are well over 3 degrees globally average what we should with the largest recorded swing being less than 2 degrees globally average
We're definitely doing something
But short of mass genocide we've gone past the point of no return YEARS ago in many of the greenhouse gasses which it would basically mean futility to even try and limit the output of them because it's literally reached self sustaining levels.
Why does it matter? Shouldn't we be happy about climate change because it pushes evelution further and gets rid of the unfit.
@Bellith, just makes some animals unfit or the new conditions. For example, some animals can survive with near zero oxygen. If suddenly, oxygen became super rare on earth, most humans would be the "unfit" and the planet would be filled with small creatures like tardigrades
@Bellith, We should be worried because even if it doesn't kill us, breathing polluted air makes us less healthy, and that means higher medical costs, so even choosing to do nothing would probably cost more in he long run than taking care of it now.
@Bop It, yet it will push evaluation further. So what if the unfit die? Why hold evaluation back?
@Bellith, well I assume you want humanity to not only survive, but live longer and healthier lives, correct? (please answer that). Also it's evolution* not evelution or evaluation.
@Bellith, okay, now I think you're just trolling because in an other comment, you said "industrial revaluation". I just got baited hard.
@Bop It, Why do I care (or anyone) if humanity survives?
@Bellith, do you not want to live?????
@Bop It, I will live/am currently living because as of right now I am/was the most fit of the sperm in the current most fit species. Why do I care afterwards.
@Bop It, sorry for the spelling and grammar mistakes. I am currently pushing a shopping cart and typing with one hand half paying attention.
@Bellith, What if you were born 300 years later and people today had that mentality. Wouldn't you be mad at them for being so selfish?
@Bop It, Nope. I would adapt or die. That is the nature of life and evolution. It's how mankind has gotten to the place it has. Do you think wild or street dogs are made at their ancestors for becoming domesticated and thus depriving them of better surviving skills for the wild? No they adapt to their current circumstance.
@Bellith, I think the part you don't understand is that evolution occurs over millions of years. You won't evolve pollution-filtering lungs during your lifetime. You'll just live 20-30 years with breathing problems and die.
@Bop It, I will live a full life and die. If it's from breathing problems or any other way it doesn't matter. Also it's highly unlikely that climate change will have that big an effect on me this life time or even the next generation.
@Bop It, Death us the nature of evolution
@Bellith, well I hope you understand that many people have more morals than you, and want to do the right thing for generations to come.
@Bop It, why is it moral?
@Bellith, because we are trying to improve the living conditions of future generations instead of only worrying about maximizing our own.
@Bop It, What makes that moral?
@Bellith, well how do you define something moral vs immoral?
@Bop It, how are you? You sound like a religious person calling me immoral because I don't share your beliefs.
@Bellith, I'm actually not religious at all. I do have a moral code, and caring about the quality of life of others (present or future) is something I care about.
@Bop It, A moral "belief" that if someone disagrees with they are immoral and wrong. How is that not like a religion? You are telling me how to act because of your beliefs.
@Bellith, I was just saying that I can't think of a moral reason to choose to not care about global warming. I want to explain how you morally justify ignoring global warming. NOTE: Morality is defining what is the "good" course of action, so justify why choosing not to care about it makes you better than a person (who is hypothetically identical to you in every other way) who wants to do something about global warming.
@Bop It, It doesn't make me a better person. But nor caring about it doesn't make me an immoral person or you caring about it make you are moral person. Its not immoral for a women to have an abortion, I am assuming you are pro choice. So why is it immoral for me not to care about someone who doesn't exist yet it is not immoral for a woman to choose to stop something from existing?
@Bellith, I guess if you believe people who don't yet exist don't matter and won't deserve better, I can see how you morally justify not trying to save the planet. I disagree, but I (sort of) understand your perspective.
The earth is too big for the curve to be measured on a small scale.
Evolution is the how, not the why.
Global temperatures are rising but the temperature still falls below freezing.
I think once we realize as a general truth that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure we'll be a lot better off
"Can your science explain why it rains?"
Global warming is real, but some sources say that the data has been exaggerated.(I'm not saying it's true)
Down here in West Palm Beach, Florida this was the only winter in 10 years I ever used a sweater...... A jacket? I remember those days just like TV was black and white.
K but global warming isn't real
Back in the 80's it was predicted we would be living in a desolate wasteland with the ocean much farther inland because of the ice caps melting by now.
uh well first off, Snowfall requires warmer winters. Colder temperatures actually
*drinking hot cocoa while watching drama*
*tries to change channel*
If Earth is flat, explain THIS!
*points to a mountain*
Futurama effectively handled the third. And climate change is definitely real the debate is about how much us as humans have accelerated the process
Has anyone heard of flat earthers?
It's actually a thing, people in large numbers are claiming the earth is flat.
I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
I think theres a pretty big following back on the first pic...
If D.va is real, the NERF THIS