Yup. Thats politics for you.
@Mr Brownstone05, watcha talkin bout Willis?
@Your Dankest Secret, politics willis. Basically its like a playground argument and nothing really gets done in a nutshell
@Mr Brownstone05, if Russia hacked the election why would Hillary have the popular vote?
@CrazyRightWinger, because you dont need the popular vote to win
@CrazyRightWinger, dude read more understanding districts and specific targeting is way more important than the popular vote seeing as how 2/5 of our recent elections failed to follow the popular vote
I'm furious at the DNC for how they handled this campaign and the corruption involved. That said, they are a private organization that isn't required to support any candidate but the one they want. Unfortunate, dirty, but true. They are also a National organization, so they're ours. How can people not acknowledge that a foreign power that we're not on good terms with interfering in our democratic process is a bad thing? No matter right or left that's a HUGE problem. Don't blind yourself with allegiance
@dhiler, there's the rub. We've become so "team" oriented. Nobody is intellectually honest any more. They hate something that the other team does. But if their team does it, it's "well they did it too so I guess it's ok now."
@big freedom, Preach!
@dhiler, I don't think that, for the most part, people don't think that Russia messing with the election would be a bad thing. From what I understand, most of the legitimate complaints are that there is only conjecture from the CIA that it was orchestrated by Russian intelligence, there has been no real proof released that Russia is behind any of it. I'm not saying they have to release everything, but when everything that has been released is circumstantial at best it casts a lot of doubt. It makes it seem like the DNC is just trying to push the blame onto someone else instead of looking at themselves for why they lost.
@big freedom, they are like two giant conglomerates marketing their rivaling products but the products are political agendas. They don't really care about the issue, if one team takes a side the other team takes up the other just to get the market value of those voters. If they truly stood for anything then there would be occasions where both parties stand for or against the same thing while the public is split. This doesn't happen because they don't actually care and just want the voters that the other side didn't grab. That's why both parties have a freakish mesh of agendas.
@dhiler, whistleblowers are not a bad thing.
@dhiler, not to mention that Russia didn't do nothing, almost all the leaks were internal. They even traced some of the "Russians" to the DOD.
@dhiler, Russia did an America. Messing with other countries elections and manipulating the results. That's our thing! Posers
@BearDaniels, no evidence bro, nothing, zilch , Nada.
@Deep Web Digger, exactly my point! The Russians are armatures, getting caught
Are we going to brush over the fact that they hacked democrat and republican emails? The FBI and CIA have come out with a strong opinion saying it was happening to both sides during the campaigns.
@AlQaholic, shhh doesn't fit the liberal narrative.
@big freedom, Uh... if anything it supports that Russia was pro-Trump because they didn't leak GOP emails.
@UmActually, they were releasing emails before either Trump or Clinton had their parties nomination.
And it looked like Trump would self implode anyway.
And they "messed with" our election by telling us something we already knew - they she was a lying sociopath who would do literally anything to be elected.
@big freedom, literally it shows that Russia selectively leaked emails to help Trump win
@big freedom, A hack is a hack, and Russia openly supported Trump. Russia's doing to the US what the US did to other countries for the entirety of the Cold War.
@UmActually, *entirety of our history
@big freedom, Well, yeah. But the Cold War is super specific and everyone knows that you guys meddled hard in small governments. It's a good strategy during war preparations, turn a tentative associate into an ally by influencing the leaders.
@UmActually, it'll be interesting to see how this all plays out! What a time to be alive...?
@big freedom, I'd prefer this not to happen. Canada would probably follow the US into conflict with China because of our proximity, and my brother and I are SuppRes. We'd definitely be called in if it came to blows, specifically with a nuclear country.
@big freedom, how am I "fitting the liberal narrative" when both Democrats and Republicans state that they strongly believe and can support their claims that Russia and Putin hacked both Democrat and Republican emails?
@UmActually, have you considered that there wasn't anything for Russia to leak to the public?
@MrStripebear, What? You think that a national organization involved in picking candidates for president where millions upon millions of dollars change hands as donation has ZERO corruption? That's ridiculous.
@UmActually, I sincerely hope it doesn't happen too. I wish that our last leader had an effective foreign policy strategy. But weak and feckless will give your enemies a lot of confidence as Putin has show. "Line in the sand" with no follow through "Assad must go" means squat when you are unwilling to make him go.
This is as big of a clusterfûck as it possibly could be.
The hapless Dems could've stopped the leaks if they were even slightly competent. I'm not a fan of Trump, but I'm curious to see how this all goes. I do not believe that he will be the great devil the whiny sniveling liberals all think he will be. He's been a liberal his entire life until about 16 years ago.
@big freedom, He's already been pretty bad with his cabinet picks, right? His Sec. Of Ed wants to remove evolution from curriculums, decrease public school funds and increase private school support funds. And there's the Goldman-Sachs executive he put as his financial advisor, then there's the head of the EPA who is suing the EPA and who believes there should be no environmental regulations on coal or fossil fuels, then there's the Secretary of Energy, who wants to desolve the Department of Energy. This is understandably frightening, no?
@UmActually, I like those pics. Not go along to get along. The EPA is a giant bureaucracy that has way too much power and needs to be gutted. Dept of Ed should be abolished. Leave education to local towns/counties and states.
@big freedom, As someone who has taught in Canada, Washington state, Ohio and Alabama, that's not a good idea.
@UmActually, that's up to them. Freedom of choice means freedom to make bad decisions.
@big freedom, But the ones who don't have a say, the kids, are the ones that suffer. You'll get places like Washington, putting tons of money into it and having higher standards, places like Ohio in the middle, and places like Alabama who refuse to levy any tax and have no money for education, resulting in the lowest rate of literacy among high school graduates, bringing income down, bringing the chances of them voting for taxes down, and thus bringing down their kids. The only reason why many southern US education systems haven't collapsed is because of the federal government. That's not even mentioning the wrong things that are taught. Sex ed in Alabama (when I taught there) said that condoms and birth control were not effective in preventing STI's or unwanted pregnancies, and my sister, who taught in Texas, has seen 3 different proposed history textbooks in the past 5 years that replaces the term "slaves" with "workers" and "servants."
@UmActually, you actually argued for my position perfectly early on in this debate.
What if a populist demagogue gets elected and nominates a cabinet secretary who doesn't believe in education. That person now has the backing of the federal government to tell you how to educate!! That's fûcking terrifying, right?
Don't give the federal government the power to do something just because you agree with their position. Sooner or later someone will be elected who disagrees with you, but they will still have that power.
The intelligence "leaked personal conclusions" of hacking, not "presented conclusive evidence" of it.
Remember, the DNC, the media, and the Obama administration are in bed with eachother.
This is all an attempt to create a narrative to support an impeachment movement, where attempts to rig, recount, and turn electors to get Clinton into office have failed.
@Doctor Krieger, more probable that members of FBI leaked most of the docs.
@Doctor Krieger, the intelligence community*
Why did this not end with a "What you talking about Willis?????"
@obtuse gopher, Because it's "Whatchu talking' bout Willis?"
Excuse me waiter? There seems to be politics in my funny pics
@CannibalJim, It's been that way for a couple of months now
What'chu talkin 'bout, Willis?
Yay! False news narrative!! Woohoo. Be smarter than this, people.
Technically the dnc didnt manipulate the election. They manipulated the process of picking the candidate to run for the election
It's more than that. If Russia had any sort of involvement in the election, that should be a pretty big deal, regardless of who won. Unfortunately, I think this will be forgotten/swept under the rug
I always love these pics. It is fun to watch the CNN fear mongering regurgitated by the liberals. Don't research before you post people... you bring me more entertainment than the witty comments on the picture. 😊
Bernie would've beaten Trump.
I love how "'think'" is in quotes