High School Teacher: I'm not going to share my political beliefs, but I'm going to make you write papers on controversial subjects and grade you based on my political beliefs.
@Totrollornottotroll, my English teacher is extremely liberal, so whenever something happens that she wants us to care about we just talk about that all period instead of actually learning. I've never wanted to read Shakespeare more than during those classes...
@Cpzombie, I went to a high school where they focused a lot on essays. We had one big essay per quarter and then two per quarter senior year (more essays than that but these big ones weighed more on our grade). So out of all 20 essays the lowest grade I got was a 93% (I even had one that was 100%). Except for one paper we had to write on any controversial subject (except for LGBT rights because she was lesbian). I wrote on abortion and she gave me a 78%. 19 essays all 93% or higher, but the one on abortion I magically forgot how to write an essay? Hmmm
@Totrollornottotroll, that's exactly what my college level English teacher did last semester
@Totrollornottotroll, Now, this is just context from my high school, but I know from a teacher I am fairly close with that they are told they aren't allowed to express their political or other controversial topics because theoretically the teachers are in a position of influence over the students. Supposedly they feel that if I teacher were to support some cause then it will influence their kids to join the cause.
@Totrollornottotroll, I wrote a pretty damn good essay in HS about removing marijuana from the list of schedule 1 drugs and somehow got a C minus.. there were very little red marks or criticisms on my paper and rubric once graded....
"In today's seminar we will be talking about the recent American election or why America is so dumb" - my political science prof just after the election
@poodlehammer, Kids don't learn to think critically anymore they just learn whatever the teacher/school wants them to learn. That's one reason why we have so many drones out there that just believe whatever they see on tv or what their favorite celebrities tell them
@Jolee Bindo, that's one of the reason why I enjoy going to university. You are exposed to people who have different opinions then you. While the profs have there bias, you are allowed to voice your opinion. The people I enjoy talking to the most are the ones who can have a discussion with you without resorting to just talking louder then you.
@poodlehammer, that's one of the beauties of liberal arts education. You're not only taught the practical skills you'll need in the real world, but you're essentially being taught how to think and how to constantly be learning. You learn the values of thinking critically, questioning things, and creating interesting and productive arguments, rather than only being taught how to be a cog in a wheel for the rest of your life. Unfortunately I feel like it's not as appreciated as it should be
@Benjamin Barker, the beauty of a non-liberal arts education is that I'll actually have a high paying job when I graduate
@Jolee Bindo, I agree with you that kids don't learn critically anymore but that's not why, teachers don't actually get to really teach the kids because the teachers spend so much time preparing kids for standardized tests so the school can get more funding for good performance.
@Jolee Bindo, agreed
@Jolee Bindo, Your comment makes it seem like it's only millennial that do that. There is a very large portion of gen Xs and baby boomers that will believe anything their respective news channel tells them.
Also, all millennials are not like that. No group that big is all the same.
Kellyanne Conway: "that's a great question but the question everyone should be asking is where are Hillary Clintons over 9,000 emails?"
@MickelPickel, the same amount of people who care about that care about trump releasing his taxes. 😉
As an engineering student, I have no idea what you are talking about
@ZweihanderNLeaveHer, teacher = x, trump = T fùck = f. X =T^f
Get it now?
@Charlemagne, oh, so sqrt(fu©kTrump) is equal to sqrt(fu©krt(professor)*fu©k)
@ZweihanderNLeaveHer, as an engineering student, I get all of the entertainment from more general education courses. First 5 days of a technical writing course had a trump comment.
@ZweihanderNLeaveHer, my networks professor actually had a little bit to say about the Muslim ban before class yesterday. One of his PhD students is unable to come back to our college right now because of it.
@ZweihanderNLeaveHer, same here. I took electronics engineering at college 10 years ago and now at 31 years old I just learnt about Social Justice Warriors and Safe Places. Fūck people's opinions, sexual orientations, identity bullshít - I paid to be there to learn.
I work at an elementary school during the week and there teachers who do that, and worse. Telling kids that cannabis is a dangerous drug (even tho it's 100% legal in our state now), that it's offensive to believe in evolution, and that you have to respect religious peoples' beliefs. It's disturbing and infuriating simultaneously.
@DHS Crisis Actor, Ok I was on board until the last one. Sure you don't have to agree with people's religious beliefs, but you should respect them. It's the nice thing to do. Why would that be a bad thing? Teaching kids to be courteous and to respect different opinions and beliefs even though they don't agree with them is wrong?
@Im Innocent, you dont have to respect any belief. I dont respect nazism. You only need to aknowledge it as a beleif. Not respecting religion is completely valid because its a BELEIF. And beleifs are just that: what people BELEIVE. I dont respect beleiving in paranormal ghost bull crud either. Spreading ignorace is not respectable and not everything in the world is nice and fun. If someone is saying things that is detromental then uts your duty to make sure the truth is heard
@Cips, Perhaps I didn't get my point across clear enough. I meant that you should respect the PEOPLE who hold those beliefs (and when I say beliefs in meaning religious beliefs and political opinions and such, not such egregious institutions as Nazism). My point is to respect people even if they have differing opinions then you, don't judge them, despise them, or label them for that one aspect about themselves. That's more clear I hope.
The chancellor at my university had to send a notice to all students that they shouldn't travel out of the country unless it was an emergency. Fvck Trump.
@The Manwhore, *international students
@The Manwhore, Do you not believe our top security advisors that say isis is infiltrating the refugee population or do you believe that it's more important to not inconvenience anyone (God forbid 🙀) at the cost of national security?
The point of the travel ban is to give the government enough time to come up with a better process for vetting refugees, it's not just for sh!ts and giggles.
@Jolee Bindo, I understand the risk but it's a dangerous fvcking world. Some people don't have enough time to wait for us to come up with a better process and if we're willing to allow countless lives to be ruined for a little extra safety then maybe we don't deserve to be safe.
@Jolee Bindo, P.S, PhD students refugees are not. Critical high-level tech-industry employees, sometimes with years if not decades of time spent working in the USA, refugees are not. Doctors, scientists, specialists of industry and society, refugees are not. All of these and more, are not terrorists or a danger. All together they are a massive hit to the productivity and value of America. National security is a good cause, but this EO effective is not. All you have to do is take a look at the facts; no terrorist has killed an American on US soil from the banned countries, and the unbanned ones have kill counts in the hundreds. (And no real advisors called for this ban, just unfit people in new job postings for loyalty rewards). You've been informed. You're welcome~
@The Manwhore, what is wrong with the U.S. putting American citizens before international refugees?
@Osama bin Dead, because we aren't just responible for ourselves anymore. We've already made it clear that America is a part of the greater world and it's too late to back away from that. Because if we just let good people suffer and die then only evil people will be left to inherit what's left.
@The Manwhore, that's why America has been hit how many times the past couple years with these terrorist attacks? When the CIA says that isis has infiltrated all 50 states, and isis publicly declares that they will mix themselves in with refugees, to get into America, what then? Oh but we're horrible people to wanna look out for American citizens before anyone else right? That's the job of government, not to go be fückin freedom fighters for the entire world. We got our own problems to deal with, how bout we help homeless vets at all? No, that doesn't get media attention and protests about.
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, well, for the homeless there's welfare, but some people don't seem to fond about putting more money into it.
@EVILdrPORKCHOP3, interesting facts, I suppose none of them legitimate. In fact if anything this ban promotes terrorism, terrorist groups are now correct when they tell recruits "Americans are discriminating and killing your children and wives base only on your religon." Btw trump isn't doing anything for vets? The only people trump is looking out for are billionaires. An entire voting population has been conned by POTUS and now they all double down in denial of even basic facts.
@arabTerminator, the ban is a shock event, meant to distract the public from something more sinister, like Bannon getting promoted to the national security council with NO experience, any funny pic user would be more fit to be on that council than bannon. Btw did you know the ban includes green card holders? That means people that paid U.S tax (something POTUS hasn't done) and they can't come back. The presidency is a joke. Countries have already started disrespecting America because of what trump is doing
One of my college professors cancelled class the day after the election because he thought a political war would start and he didn't want that. The week after when he told us the reason a political war started. I tried to hide behind my books though.
@ADHDBunniez, one of my friends professors moved back a midterm a week because she felt students would be too emotionally distraught to do well
@Ultramatt, That sounds like an awesome professor.
My law professor loves using Trump as an example during civil law discussions. "And this is why he lost x,y, and z lawsuit kids, don't sue unless you can win"
Most high school teachers can't share their beliefs because it's against school policy. Both my parents are high school teachers.
What's with the leaderboards resetting?
Well thats because college is day care for little whiney babies here in America now. Seriously. Especially the language/writing/english professors from what ive seen. They blatantly say theyre liberal and they blatantly make you write about lesbians or multigender whatever and act like itd scienctifically correct because they read it on tumblr. Colleges are liberal safe spaces now and literally have segregated areas for BLM beleivers in some. Its insane. Also dont think me as a conservative nutjob because i used the word liberal. Extremists in any beleif are always nutjobs. I myself probably fall in the middle but lean left and these turds make ME look conservative! Ive been told to "check my privilege" and what not. I thought this was a small number of people that act like that but its not. Ive attended two major universities one public and one private and both were filled with SJW scum spreading their ideology like it was somehow backed by science. People suck man
This is so true for me
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Im up to see some dank memes and i see there...
@Its A Fvckin Train, a not so dank meme describing how incredibly biased the collegiate side of the education system is?
@RustyFapwagon, you either have no idea what you're talking about, or the college you sent to was not very representative of collegiate education in that one regard.
@DrAwesome37, holy balls kid did you just say that colleges aren't left as all fvck for the most part? Do you watch the news? Have you ever been on a college campus? Seen the last minute "security fees" they impose on only conservative speakers? Been surrounded by safe spaces and liberal evens?
That's every university now. I'm even in a fairly red state and it exists here. There isn't even an argument to be made here. You're just wrong.
@RustyFapwagon, I'm not saying they aren't fairly left. I am saying your idea of safe spaces on college campuses and the idea that students are rigorously taught only one ideology instead of critical thinking that can be applied to nearly any ideology are way off point.
@RustyFapwagon, also, that's the first I've heard about security fees being imposed on only conservative speakers, but I've heard several other arguments about intolerance towards conservative speakers that are mostly a load of bs. I'm in a very liberal city and even then we have plenty of conservatives and conservative groups on campus, they're just outnumbered. That's it.
@DrAwesome37, no they arent. Debate is very very rarely encouraged. And any right wing point can be real dangerous to a students grade if it's outspoken. That's most professors in every university.
@DrAwesome37, check out most of Milo's recent speeches. He talks about the thousands of dollars in security fees they charge. UNM tried to but their president shot it down at the last second and called the staff that tried it on their bias. It's happened to Ben Shapiro recently too. This is nothing new.
@RustyFapwagon, that's just factually not true. Debate is highly encouraged, and comments really can't affect anyone's grade. Additionally, conservative arguments are often used in order to get a grade (if you're in a political major; if you're not, then chances are you'll see very little liberalism vs conservatism in your classes). Are you speaking from experience?
@DrAwesome37, experience and the ton of evidence provided by these campuses actions. Everything I just said is factually true. Debate on lots of campuses is labeled as hate speech as soon as the point gets to be "too conservative."
@RustyFapwagon, hate speech does not mean speech that is too conservative. I'll check out what you said about milo and Ben Shapiro tomorrow but for tonight, I'm going to bed. I'll be back tomorrow, if you'd like to continue this conversation.
@DrAwesome37, I agree with you but most campuses dont. That's why they try to impose security fees. And guess what "hate speech" is covered by free speech.
I look forward to it.
@DrAwesome37, comments affect your grade because they make your teacher not like you, and if your teacher doesn't like you they grade harsher.
@Cpzombie, you're right, but that really would apply way better to primary education than college. Most grading is done by TAs, not the professors themselves. In addition, the amount of interaction between students and TAs or professors is often very limited, unless you come in to office hours. Third, classes tend to be pretty large, and the likelihood that any specific comment would stand out is pretty low. Last, I believe graders try to be as objective as possible, looking only at the assignment and a rubric. As a TA myself, I can say that my experience is that grading with a rubric is pretty effective at focusing my attention on merely what is in the assignment, and if it lines up with the rubric. I don't want to look into it any more than that, I have lots of items to grade. Obviously implicit bias will affect everything we do, but it feels pretty mitigated in this context.
@RustyFapwagon, about free speech: there are certain limitations on it. First and foremost, it doesn't even apply to the context of Milo's speeches. Freedom of speech means the government can't pass a law that abridges that freedom. That's why your employer can fire you for something you said, or why a university can outright refuse a speaker or charge them security fees. Second, there are still more limitations on free speech, including that which tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace. Thus, hate speech is often not constitutionally protected. Nobody's constitutional rights were violated here.
Also, security fees are pretty normal, especially for a guy like Milo, a controversial speaker who often draws a lot of protesters. Somebody has to work as security, and they won't do it for free. Since Milo's speeches are student sponsored events, it's often up to those student groups to fund security. That's the way it works for everyone, not just conservatives.