They forgot the other 12 sub genders this makes me so mad!!
@Freeman, are you sure "me" is the correct pronoun!?!1???!!????1??!!?
@WickedStyx, it's non-gender specific, so ze is fine to refer to personself that way.
Now let's never talk of the sentence I just wrote ever again.
@Nellybert , why not just say "oneself"?
@Caine, Because that's an actual word and doesn't deserve to be dragged in to this.
@Nellybert , gonna be honest, i missed the joke the first time.
@Caine, That's alright, wasn't very funny.
96? I thought it was a constantly expanding database of whatever you wanted to be
@Captain Anderson, you'd think it would just be that now, but whatevs it's their crazy train they can conduct it as they see fit
@Captain Anderson, Surely there can't be more than 3
- identify as male
- identify as female
- identify as neither
All the others are basically variations on the above. If you're 'gender fluid' or whatever, then you just swap between the three as appropriate.
@Nellybert , Exactly, I'd go even simpler, there are two - Identify as male or female. Or identify as neither which isn't a gender itself.
@Nellybert , lol "gender fluid" - "hey, look! It's super man! No, now super woman! No wait, no it's super pan fluid agender person!"
@K1lgore, Perhaps, but for box-ticking purposes on a form you need something. Sort of the equivalent of 'none of the above' or 'prefer not to say'.
@TeaEarlGreyHot, That actually made me laugh, thank you.
@Nellybert , Oh yeah definitely, but what I was saying was that having no gender is not a gender, so still two genders, and then neither
@K1lgore, poor hermaphrodites.
@K1lgore, you ignore the possibility of "both"
@Nellybert , that's a lot of surgeries.
@Doctor Walrus, Doesnt that fall into the category of "none of the above"? Not male, not female, so technically neither. Idk this is just my view on it
@K1lgore, oh yeah I'm a dummy
"Actually I'm a tri-gender pyrofox from the forest planet"
@Atom bomb baby, "Really? Me too!"
Even if I weren't a Christian I still don't think I'd support them, because a vast majority of them will pull the "this conversation is over" and ignore you, and when you say you don't believe that garbage, they pull the "be more open minded" thing. They say be different, but almost all of them act the same. "Be different by being the same as us!" Is all I hear.
@Albmag, p.s. Just because I say I don't support something, doesn't mean I hate the people that are being supported or are supporting them. It just means I don't support it.
@Albmag, they're just tired of people literally hating them for trying to make themselves comfortable with themselves. Unless you've known someone close who is trans it's hard to understand I know, but you gotta try to imagine how they must feel man
@Ostrich Thief, Why would you think I wouldn't understand? Everybody deals with things differently, some people turn to drugs, suicide, gender reassignment and more to make themselves comfortable. Happiness lasts a while. Drugs and alcohol make you addicted, and gender is worse. I don't think they're hated, just the way they want to operate. A lot act like they're being oppressed like the blacks during the segregation times (racism is the worst, imo).
@Albmag, but they areeee hated and aren't respected. I've seen it happen directly to my friend who is trans. You don't understand them because you think it is simply escapism like alcohol and etc., and maybe for some people it is just that, but for the majority of trans people it is more than mere escapism. You don't understand them because you don't understand how they feel and attribute their dysphoria to being a way of escaping their problems rather than it being the problem itself
@Ostrich Thief, that doesn't mean they all act like that, but really? Anyways, men and women are different for certain reasons, and you can't become the other without negative side-effects. I.e. Men and women have different makeups for their bodies. It's like somebody is drowning, and you (not YOU-you, I mean in general) have a life preserver. Instead of throwing it to them, you tell them they'll be alright. It's like telling somebody they don't NEED to take a life-saving medicine, but they'll die if they don't. A lot of people tell them they have a decision that will make them happy for a while, but then make them miserable for a lifetime. All things have consequences, they will need to learn how to deal with them instead of acting like they should be given a special privilege. Then again, we all have something we shouldn't do, so I'm definitely not perfect.
@Ostrich Thief, are you going to keep saying I don't understand? One thing I like about you is that you haven't said "ignorant" once, but you keep saying I don't understand. Of course, everything has two sides. If it isn't escapism, then why do they do it to be comfortable? I can understand having surgery to remove a piece of bone from a place it shouldn't be, but has anybody ever died from not having their gender changed? I'm pretty sure they've died from having an attempted change.
@Albmag, man most don't even go through and have surgery. Like, I'm not saying you are a dick, I'm saying you lack understanding on this issue because you haven't had close personal connections with trans people. They aren't doing this on a whim, and the vast vast vast majority do not regret their decision to transition. They do it because they feel stifled as a male or female and have felt so all their life. They want to behave like the opposite sex and they think and feel like the opposite sex. Some have body dysphoria as well, but it's mostly just a matter of feeling internally like you should've been born as the opposing gender. And taking hormones and presenting as female or male can make them feel like the person they've hid inside themselves for their entire life. People feel this way their whole lives oftentimes and it isn't something we can understand unless we've felt it ourselves, but just try to put yourself in their shoes; imagine you were born as female and how wrong
@Albmag, you would feel because you feel male on the inside. That's how they feel man. I'm not calling you names, I want to have a dialogue with people. They are simply doing what makes them feel like the person they are inside, and it affects no one but themselves. There is no legitimate argument for why they shouldn't be allowed to transition or use bathrooms or any other number of issues. They're just people and they just want to feel ok. They aren't attention seekers. They aren't acting like victims for the hell of it; they get verbally assaulted on a regular basis. Watch some videos on YouTube of how these people feel and how they came to realize they were transgender; broaden your perspective, make attempts understand that which seems most alien and absurd to you. They're just people man, they just wanna live their life peacefully and go day to day like everybody else.
@Albmag, also there are some studies now that trans people's brains actually are different in brain scans than cis people's; there is likely a strong genetic component to their dysphoric feelings and desire to present as the opposite sex.
@Ostrich Thief, your friend, if they were born as male or female (not being trans) is dealing with a battle. Idc if you believe me, but do you know why their behavior is linked with Satan most of the time? (This is MY understanding, I'm not 100% sure) Satan gives them those thoughts. That they're not who they're supposed to be. That they're not good enough. Well, that's between them and God (again, idc if you don't believe me) God loves them (and you .;), but he also made them male or female for a reason. When they want to change themselves, I imagine it's like a slap to his face. Not saying that's why they do it, though.
You can tell me to try to understand as much as you want, but here's something for you to understand: when I see a building burning, I want to try to save the people inside.
@Ostrich Thief, I care about your friend, so naturally I want to help them. I'm not helping them by telling them that they should try to be comfortable with who they want to be, but who they really are. I don't hate your friend. Do they feel happy with their choice, yet have a constant fear of confrontation? As if they are in danger or something? I wouldn't want to live like that, so naturally I wouldn't want your friend to feel like that. But that doesn't mean I'm saying what they're doing is right, and I don't give a flying Frito if it makes them comfortable, if they are doing something against God (not directly) they're doing something against God! This goes for anybody, not just trans folks. This is what you must understand.
@Ostrich Thief, and why'd you message me at 2 am? Go to beedddd. Man you make ME tired. Edit* can I just say, I'm impressed you didn't run away from this conversation? You are the first person I've met (not irl) that actually wanted to converse, instead of pushing garbage to them and walked away (I apologize if that's how I sounded in my messages) I don't think we should keep using funny pics for a chat place. So if there's somewhere else we could chat, well, eh.
@Albmag, lol I'm on pacific time it wasn't 2 am for me. Don't assume most people will run away; if you treat people with respect they do the same like 80% of the time in my experience regardless of where they started. How are you to know that trans people aren't just another example of someone who was created by God deliberately to be flawed to teach others some lesson? What evidence do you have what they do means they are controlled by Satan according to your religion?
@Albmag, also in regards to my friend, they are so much happier than they were. The only reason they feel any distress now is because of people tearing them down and making them feel awful for no reason because of their decision to stop trying to hide how they feel inside. I have two close trans friends and they both are better than 95% of people I have ever met. They're very kind and funny and intelligent, and all around just normal people who just want to live their lives as authentically as possible. They both have no regrets about their decision because (at least one of them) was experiencing very very severe depression beforehand. Trans people in the closet are so much more likely to kill themselves and have psychological problems. By creating a culture or unacceptance for them we literally put their lives at risk; the pain from their gender dysphoria is literally so severe many would rather die than have to deal with their family and friends rejecting them if they told them
@Ostrich Thief, whooooa hold up, I think you misunderstood me, I didn't mean Satan is controlling your friends. How do I put this, everybody has something they do wrong. Everybody sins. And the thing about respect is, in order to gain respect, you need to show it, not just say "respect me!". And about Making people like that... why would God make somebody that has something that he doesn't like? Don't tell me God makes mistakes lol. Idk, you're fighting for your friends, so you can't really tell me how they feel (I watch judge Judy, she often says something like that) we as humans will never know how our family and friends are truly doing on the inside. A lot of people have asked me if I'm gay (I'm not), but they treat me like garbage anyways. Probably because I'm a Christian. But I guess nobody ever tears us down, or makes us feel awful, huh? I'm not angry or anything, just wondering how I somehow don't know what not being accepted feels like.
@Albmag, I'm not claiming you don't know what not being accepted feels like, I certainly know as well, but these people face hatred fear and disgust from strangers on a regular basis. That's something you likely don't have to deal with.
The thing that frustrates me is that supposedly all sins are equal, but Christians seem overall to place far too much emphasis on gay and trans people compared to all of these other far more prevalent and destructive sins in our society. I think many (not necessarily you, but many) christians just find the concept of gay and trans people viscerally repulsive, and then use the Bible to justify their feelings. It's not actually mostly about stopping the sin and saving people (not you, but many christians I've personally met) but about them justifying their internal disgust they feel towards gay and trans people and wanting to make them stop because their behavior discomforts them.
Also does it even say in the Bible being trans is a sin? I'm not super
@Ostrich Thief, familiar with it. But I feel like God makes everyone imperfect really. It's not like those born with say severe genetic disfigurations or autoimmune diseases could control their faults. There are faults in people everywhere
@Ostrich Thief, I'm not really well versed in the Bible either, and I can understand being grossed out about trans and gay, but if their main focus is only on that, then that's kinda nit picking. From my understanding God doesn't make us like that, it's been like that because of Adam and Eve. I do believe you can be born like your friends, but serial killers are often born like, well, serial killers. (I really hope you don't misread that as 'your friends are the same as mentally broken criminals', cuz that's not what I mean) look up Jeffery dahmer. The wiki says the guy was saved before he died, and if that's true, he's going to be in heaven. I personally would rather be there with a gay person that let God into their heart than that man, but guess what? I can't question if he's actually going to heaven or not. That's between him and God. I can understand being irritated with the "all sin is the same" thing. It shakes me up to think about those things.
@Albmag, so if you don't know being trans is a sin, why assume it is?
@Albmag, it's just as much of a sin not to love all people regardless of their sins and to represent Jesus through your actions I think than to actually commit the initial sin, and I think that's what frustrates me about so many christians.
@Albmag, they only wanna criticize a lot of times and just enjoy feeling morally superior and like they're doing the right thing by calling trans and gay people horrible things. And that's straight fvcked up and unchristian
@Ostrich Thief, and yes, being trans is an abomination in God's eyes. Deuteronomy 22:5 niv "a woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this." That doesn't mean men can't wear kilts and women can't wear pants, it means you shouldn't act like the opposite gender. The Bible, if you didn't know already, is full of symbolism. This symbolizes that men and women are different for a reason. Like I've said a hundred and fifty Kabillion times, I dislike their decision, and I question it, but that doesn't mean they're evil or inhuman. Look at it this way: if we're wrong, whoop dee doo! We wasted our time! But if we're right? Then I wouldn't want you, your friends, or anybody else I know personally or through the internet to go to hell. And believe me, I can't stand people that start a conversation that basically sounds like "hi, I'm a Christian, and if you aren't, you're damned to hell!" It tends to push people away.
@Albmag, though to be fair as long as they accept Jesus they're saved anyway. So really that should be the real focus and not the individual sins they participate in because we all sin. Also if you're dippin into places like Deuteronomy you gotta then admit it is a sin to eat shellfish, a sin to wear too revealing clothing, a sin to wear clothing made of like more than one type of material, a sin to masturbate, a sin to have sex with a woman on her period, a sin to do tons of things. Like there are so so so so many sins and Christians cherry pick ones they wanna enforce and ignore the ones they deem unimportant
@Albmag, so like, we should all be even more angry about how prevalent mixed fabrics are in our society then, because that's a sin and all sins are equal and that sin is very very common. So why not tell those wearing mixed fabrics they are sinning? Because it seems silly
But that's cherry picking man. The Bible mentions helping the poor so many times and mentions gay and trans people so few. That's what we should be working on. Bringing love and God to people, not criticizing individual sins.
@Ostrich Thief, I have an uncle that is like that. While yes, I believe everybody will go if they aren't saved, and I think it's horrible, I'm not going to go into subways and scream at people. It amazes me how those kinds of people are surprised they haven't had anybody accept Christ 😒 I prefer seeing somebody's side of the argument, and I get that your friends want to be accepted. Believe me, I do. I'm drug free, never had the cops called on me, and I'm always told I'm a good kid. But my dad seems to think I'm a piece of trash. "Everything you do is an accident. I don't love you, because I don't know how to love." Are things he has said before. He also basically told me I would never amount to anything because I wore a vest, and told me people would think I was retarded. I told my mother, but he turned around and said "I don't want people thinking he's gay, that's all". So I've (kinda) been in your friends shoes. but I don't want you thinking I'm projecting my anger on to Lgbtq.
@Albmag, we all just just gotta keep love at the heart of everything you do and be the best human we can be
@Albmag, man I feel you. Life will get better, most people are good in this world. There are shtty people in the world but they all have reasons for why they end up behaving badly and swing hate around. Just try to accept and love everyone and everything is much easier. Letting go of everything and just knowing life is complicated and there are reasons why everybody behaves how they do and to refrain judgement and just love if you can makes understanding everything much easier
@Albmag, but yeah everybody goes through tough stuff in their time on this earth man I get you. It's hard especially when it feels like parents are willing to dish out judgement to you.
The closest people should be the most secure and wanting to help us. That's the way the world should be
*waits for someone to deny basic biological facts*
@Masta Roshi, did you just assume my biological stance?
@jayne cobb, I assumed you are a human and not a mushroom (mushrooms do have a bunch of genders)
@Masta Roshi, I mean by definition gender is a mindset. All these made up snowflake terms are retarded though. Im not even going to continue talking to you if you bring up you're "gender-queer tri-sec fluid" or wtf ever. Ignoring and never acknowledging your existence again
@Dexios S Divine, A mindset? Buddy, I don't care how you think of yourself in your head, but if I hook up with someone on a dating site who listed themselves as 'female' but turns out to have man-junk, it's not going to end with flowers & kittens......
@Nellybert , aye man, if they look,talk, act like a chick, then i dont care. Not doing anything with their dong though. I can't be too picky lol..
Why would you waste energy trying to impress someone like that? Just walk out on her.
I don't mean to be offensive to anybody and I completely accept what people are doing with gender and stuff but there's no denying that there are only 2 biological sexes. That said you can stray as far away from that as you want if you feel like it.
@Blooreguard Q Kazoo, amen
Ughhhhhh..... Who carrrrrrreeeeessssssssss?
XX or XY?
It's THAT DAMN SIMPLE.
@Iswearimfunny, what if you have xxy(kleinfelter's syndrome) or androgen insensitivity (having Xy but fully developing as female)?
What if God was one of us... just an apache helicopter like one of us... just a stranger on a bus... identifying as whatever the fjck...
Gender =/= sex. Sex is something based in science. Gender is not. BUT 96 genders is ridiculous. WHAT ARE THE 93 OTHER THAN MALE, FEMALE, AND NONE OF THE ABOVE???
@Connie Lingus, both
Maybe we should just ask if they had a pen!s or vag when they were born and cut the bs
I filled a form recently, there are 3 options 1. Male 2. Female 3. Do not specify
They forgot the chopper gender