@Happybear, except Colorado has more illegal marry J than the legal shït so it really didnt work as well as theyd hoped.
I feel like this post is a little fake.
@Caine, I live in CO and I'm not sure I believe that. the price on weed is pretty inexpensive and creating a black market to sell weed at a lower cost wouldn't make much sense.
@payton manning, tbh idk if its true cause i heard it on the radio. However if it were itd be less about black market and more about growing for yourself and boarder cities coming over and such.
It's still not legal. It's decriminalized. But screw it. Just make all drugs legal. It's not the governments job to tell me what I can or can't put in my lungs/veins
@AN AMERICAN, many drugs affect other people negatively. My cousin is methed out right now wandering on the highways of my town.
@TomPholio, I'm sorry to hear that but it still doesn't change my opinion. The government shouldn't have any say on the matter of personal choices. As long as he hasn't committed an actual crime they should stay out of it.
@TomPholio, small amounts of hardcore drugs cost 10+ thousand dollars in court fees. Marijuana only nets you 1,000-1,500 with small amounts. Both are drugs. Both can impair you. Yet only one is a felony.
While there are benefits from legalizing it, i absolutely hate the smell of marijuana. It annoys me when I'm driving or walking about and just get nailed with a wall of it's scent. I live in a nice community as well and some a-holes of neighbors sell marijuana and others drugs right out of there house. Most frustrating god damned thing in the world when my family is growing up with these people right across the street along with other kids in the neighborhood. My local P.D. Has been notified multiple times and i guess has bigger focuses. And they know first hand that they deal because they were called to that house when they were robbed of their weed at gunpoint. I understand my pd has bigger fish to fry and they do an excellent job but i hate it. You smell it every day. I've never tried weed or anything of that matter but my personal standpoint is if i will hate to see the day where it's allowed to be everywhere even though in NY it already feels that way. Sorry for the rant.
@Agent Bankss, I don't have many facts straight on this matter so maybe there will be some glimmer of hope but I personally hate it. Others may disagree and that's fine everyone has an opinion.
@Agent Bankss, I don't smoke either but as soon as they legalize it, there won't be a need for weed dealers because it would become as common as any other smoking substance found anywhere. Why would someone go to someone's house where the sellers could have put anything in the weed when they can get safer regulated weed at a gas station or a drug store? Dealers would become obsolete and you won't have to worry about the smell coming from your neighbors house. Not to mention the fact that the extra tax money might be spent on your police force to deal with those bigger fish or to you schools to teach kids the dangers of any kind of drug. Rebuttal over.
@Agent Bankss, Temporarily ignoring the criminal element discussed of your rant, I completely agree on the smell. For me and my own rant, even though I sometimes partake in weed in a state where that is legal, I absolutely detest the smell. I also, if not even more so, detest cigarette smell. If you want to partake in something that only affects your own person- more power to you; with that said, people smoking is not personal and is very much environmental. You are forcing me to partake in your decision, of which is not welcome and is potentially harmful to me. Do I sometimes have options to avoid these situations? Certainly so- I go the extra mile to avoid people smoking in public areas. Do I always have that option? Certainly not. I wish there was a way for individuals to partake in what they enjoy- smoking whatever they please- in a manner of which does not affect others.
@Agent Bankss, I had a condition which caused my heart and lungs to be compressed by my ribcage, which required my chest to be surgically reconstructed with 40 inches of steel bars to help restore the correct shape. The medicine I was prescribed for the pain, oxycodone and morphine sulfate ended up giving me internal bleeding. People like me can either suffer through pain constantly, or we could smoke marijuana and have the pain at least temporarily go away.
@PB2, it might not smell the greatest, but at least try to understand how beneficial its use can be to those who need it. Maybe research it a little more, and you might hate it a lil' less.
@PB2, dated a guy in high school a few times who had that huge rod in his chest. He was so tall/thin that his ribcage collapsed
@PB2, I'm fully aware of the medical benefits and economic benefits and the medical marijuana is already legalized in my state. That i have no problem with. I have a problem with the recreational use of it.
@Agent Bankss, this is why I want to leave weed legalization to the states, if you want to smoke weed, you can move to any state where it's legal, and if you live in a state where it's legal, you can move to any state where it's not. Even then it doesn't have to be at that big of a scale, it could just be communities where it's banned.
@Autismo, that i can agree with but if they had designated areas for people to smoke and for others to avoid it that would be a decent compromise. It's just frustrating going about my day to be stuck in traffic behind someone who's lighting up or walking into a store and someone's smoking in their car. Or that person being your neighbor.
@Agent Bankss, I can understand that, but where do we draw the line? can ban anything we don't like the smell of? Cigarettes, jager, bowmans brand any l!quor. I have awful allergies so I would love to ban flowers and pine trees. Everyone is bothered by something different legal or illegal. I'm sorry that you have shotty neighbors who do that. That's awful. I grew up with a neighbor who got drunk and beat his wife on the front porch every Sunday before church. Police didn't care about that either sadly.
@Agent Bankss, oh boohoo. I don't even smoke the crap but fvck dude. That's ridiculous.
@starstarboom, The smell is just one part of it. Recreational marijuana is something that honestly has it's economic benefits but could have some serious effects. Take driving for example, it's something real to take in account. Alcohol is legal and people drive drunk all the time even though there are many other alternatives like taking an uber. Who's to say that driving while high won't be the same. People do it all the time regardless of the law or not anyway. I just personally hate marijuana for two things, the smell, and the potential dangers of its effects. Smoking in an area that does not affect anyone other than the one smoking I'm perfectly okay with. I have a problem when you add others who suffer because someone wants to get a high.
@dichbute, because of price lol. Pretty sure theres been a lot of info about how Colorado still has a big issue with "illegal" weed.
@starstarboom, ok your exaggeration, are you serious? Theres a difference between allergies caused by a weed/flower that grows naturally, and someone burning something that might cause you an asthma flare up lol.
I know its never going to change because "fück everyone who isnt me and who are they to ask me not to do something in an area that affects them, i will smoke my shït right up you ass if i want" mentality. However you being an ass about is totally not needed.
@Caine, not being a jerk simply stating that everyone has an aversion to something. Some legal and some illegal. I never said my stance. But I appreciate your assumption. I think like drinking and smoking cigarettes should only be legal only in your own home. But yeah you're right let me go shove my beliefs down someone's throat that's what I did, oh wait you didn't even know my belief... odd I really failed at shoving it up your rear then if you didn't even know what belief I was shoving....
@Agent Bankss, you're not very smart are you. I live in Colorado springs and right now I'm high on my legally purchased recreational marijuana. I drove it home in the plastic bag with warning labels home in my car and when I got home I smoked it on my private property as is required by law. If I smoke and drive, it's a DUI, if I get high on public property, I'm under the influence in public, an indecent crime. But I dabbed it, left that part out.
@Psyknis, I guess where I was going with that was, there are still plenty of laws in place so you don't have to be "driving behind someone blowing weed smoke out they windows". That's illegal here.
@Psyknis, You obviously can't read ;).
@Psyknis, as a reply to your second comment, while there are laws in place to say you will be punished if you drive under the influence, there are people who choose not to follow them. You may be an instance where you abide by said laws. Just like alcohol, it is illegal for one to drive under the influence of alcohol. Yet people choose to do it. And even though recreational marijuana is illegal in my state, people still choose to drive under the influence and smoke in public areas.
@Agent Bankss, that's on them. Colorado is a clean place full of friendly people. You never know which way the future is gonna go. The same argument can be made for people that abuse prescription medication. Are to stop companies for making life saving drugs because someone could take too many percs and get behind the wheel and kill a family of 4?
@Psyknis, While I'm sure Colorado is a nice place, 600+ people were cited for driving under the influence of marijuana in 2015. While that may seem an insignificant number, that 600+ cases where someone was driving impaired and could have led to an accident. Take into the account of the larger majority of those who were not caught by the police. This doesn't deter me from going to Colorado nor am i taking shots at the state, like you said, it's on those people, laws will not change what people will act out which is why if marijuana is legalized, more people will have access and those that already partake will have an easier time, those people may do things under the influence regardless of law or education. And medications are a completely separate entity than recreational drugs. They serve a purpose to heal or save someone.
@Psyknis, whether those incidents had any correlation to the legalization is up in the air but nonetheless other than $ it seems a slippery slope
@Agent Bankss, but marijuana is used to heal, especially for those who can't afford a doctor. Why take away easy access to what could be saving them like a commentor earlier.
@Psyknis, medical marijuana is legal and yes it does help. But that has a purpose. Recreational (for fun) serves no purpose other than getting high. Some states allow medicinal use only which have a reason to do so. Other than economical gain, recreational marijuana doesn't seem to serve a positive societal purpose other than getting a high and it instills some level of danger in the wrong hands.
@Agent Bankss, neither does recreational alcohol. Back to prohibition we go.
@Psyknis, the government outlawed alcohol because it served no purpose to society other than getting people drunk. It got to become a large problem so they outlawed alcohol. The only reason the removed the ban was because they saw the large amounts of money the alcohol could bring in taxes. It serves no positive purpose and when in the wrong hands it causes dangerous situations just like marijuana. The only legitimate reason recreational marijuana should be legalized is for the money. And that's what runs the world so... should it be legalized no. Will it? I could unfortunately see it happen.
@Agent Bankss, yep, I hate the smell as well. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't disturb others.
@Agent Bankss, More like they brought it back because the prohibition of alcohol created a huge spike in organized crime with the illegal distribution of alcohol. It's how lots of American mobs came into power. There was more to it than just there being money in the taxes.
@TheRatMan, Organized was also a major part. But in the time prohibition was enforced the government lost an estimated 11.3 billion dollars in tax revenue. NY state received 3/4 of its tax revenue from alcohol. With prohibition in effect it had crippling side effects towards the government. Plus alcohol being made through that organized crime was pretty much poison. So for public safety and to keep the government afloat since they were making nowhere near as much money off of taxes as they were before the prohibition they were pretty much forced to legalize alcohol.
@PB2, I doubt anyone who hates mj for the smell is hating it just to hate it. Obviously it has beneficent qualities, but as a person who has smelled mj, I have to agree that I hate the smell. I'm glad that it can help people in times of personal sickness, but just based on the smell I hope I never get sick enough to use any.
@Agent Bankss, the arguments you state are the same as any other legal abusive substance. Like cigarettes and alcohol for example. Except that Marijuana has more benefits than just medically. I don't even smoke, but the gains are far better than the loss. First off, economically it would be huge, hemp is used for many things such as paper, lotions, oil and so much more. And if it's treated like the other 2 drugs I said earlier, it would be highly taxed so that it could be used to fund and better educate your community. And lastly and probably the least, just according to what I know, it does help a little bit medically with pain but is more often used to help people eat, most often in sure it was cancer patients that use it the most because the treatment causes extreme loss of appetite.
@Dr Kriegerstein, This comment thread is pretty long so i can understand if you didn't read through the mess but I addressed all of these and acknowledged the benefits of medicinal marijuana and the benefits of it's economics. I completely agree with everything you've said but the main reason i dislike it is when it's in the wrong hands of an irresponsible person. But i also stated that the economic benefits from it will outweigh the dangers so it will most likely be legalized in my state within 5-10 years.
@TheRatMan, another cool fact about why the prohibition was lifted, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the water wasn't completely safe however when used in alcohol it became clean and safer to drink.
@Agent Bankss, yes but that's the way with any abusive substance, so I don't understand the argument except for the smell. That's like saying I don't like hearing guns go off near my house in flint MI but there's nothing I can do about that because of the sound. I could call police but I don't know where it came from or who is doing it. Usually pretty far from my house.
@Agent Bankss, and I actually just got done reading all of it.
@Dr Kriegerstein, i understand it's the same as any other abusive substance hence the discussion of alcohol and heavy medication. The main point of the argument in my defense is if the legalized it increases the risk of the marijuana falling into irresponsible hands and someone may drive or do something that can potentially harm others. The smell is disgusting and and marijuana itself also has its effects not just solely on the user but people around them. Plus marijuana poses a long term health risk because from my understanding, it loosens your blood vessels for prolonged periods of time similar to cigarettes. But the main point is the drug falling into irresponsible hands.
@Agent Bankss, legalizing Marijuana has actually been shown to lower the risk of wrong people obtaining the dig because of increased taxation on it. And as for health concerns you're wrong, it didn't do that, it can however increase heart rate which only seems to cause damage to the elderly because it may cause a heart attack. Another long term affect is loss in cognitive thinking. But this is after doing it for so long. So it really only brings you back to the point of it smells bad and health risks when you're old. Which could also be said that when you're old you might need opioids for pain which I could say is worse because it's far easier to go out of hand with those.
@Dr Kriegerstein, After doing some more research I'm not wrong, the drug acts as a muscle relaxant and relaxes the arteries and increases blood flow. It's like moving slow then all of a sudden everything speeds up. Doing this for prolonged periods of time has negative effects. To add, studies have shown that subjects who smoked marijuana 5 times or more in the past month were 24.9% more likely than those who did not to drive within 1 hour of smoking.
@Dr Kriegerstein, Taxes are not going to stop anybody from getting drugs I can guarantee it.
@Agent Bankss, please reword that last statistic, not to be an asz, it just sounds weird cause I don't know what you're comparing. And that other part must just be part of increased heart rate, I didn't see anything such as that when I researched but I could've possibly overlooked it. And taxes don't stop everyone, nothing can stop anyone from doing anything. But it has been proven to reduce Marijuana related crimes. And not possession, but under the influence in public and under the influence in a vehicle. Those I'm sure you and I could consider wrong hands. The taxation acts as a regulation, regulations are almost intended to be used to reduce the number of people doing something.
@Dr Kriegerstein, To reword that and correct myself, the study focused on people who smoked 5 or more times a month (rather than my previously stated "5 more times a month vs people who don't smoke) and the risk of them driving while under the influence 1 hour after smoking. The study found that 23.9% (not 24.9%) drove an hour after smoking and were under the influence. This mean roughly 1 in 4 people took the risk. Posing a serious threat to other motorists.
@Agent Bankss, ooooohhh, thanks that actuality makes a lot more sense now. This is true, people shouldn't partake and drive just like another substance. Legality would either not change this issue or like I said earlier would more than likely reduce the chance of this happening rather than increase its chance of happening. But in the issue of driving, the most plausible outcome would be that this number wouldn't change no matter the legal basis.
@Dr Kriegerstein, Anyway, I'm pretty tired, I've stayed up regrettably too late. I'm gunna hit the hay. It was a pleasure debating with you. Regardless of any heat that came out of this, have a good night, day, afternoon, evening, morning, whatever it may be.
@starstarboom, not really sure where that was directed at you and not people as a whole who are for it, but if you wanna be THAT butthurt about it, more power to you.
@Agent Bankss, i like that people who arent on the weed bandwagon get downvoted even when stating facts lol. Sorry dude.
@Psyknis, there are zero healing properties to weed. Thats a fact.
It does however block pain much like an asprin with a side affect.
@Caine, I have been able to replace a decent portion of my bipolar medication by smoking. My psychologist and my PCP both agree that marijuana is controlling my BPD better than any amount of terrible drugs.
@Psyknis, it also increases appetite for people who don't feel like eating, like people who have cancer for example
@Psyknis, that may be true but that is not a "healing" property, HEALING being the operative word.
@Caine, right, just like the $7000 a month in prescriptions I was taking weren't healing me either...
@Caine, my apologies, the "you being an @ss", and the "I will smoke my sh1t right up your @ss" verbiage indicated the subject of the response was me directly. That and the @my user name. My apologies that I didn't realize it was just poor grammar and misused pronouns. That's why I missed that it was directed at everyone. Maybe you all or y'all would suit you better next time. It's also ironic I'm the one that's so butt hurt, but I only replied to one person.. then you chimed in and I replied to your message. Between this comment and the first comment you're at reply number 8 to multiple different people. I believe those facts make it look like you're the one who is actually butt hurt hypocrite. But maybe it's grammar again who knows, who cares, not I.
@Caine, lol it's all good just wish people heard me out first haha. But hey, i learned my lesson about stating my opinion in a public forum lol
@Caine, not true at all, one of the terpenes acts as an anti-inflammatory agent, while others have anti-oxidant properties. These alone help me clear out and disinfect my lungs, especially when I rupture the bloodvessels near them and they start to fill with blood.
There are other effects too, chronic use actually expands your airways, for example. Then, on to the canabinoids themselves, they affect our brain in a way that is (to my knowledge) unique, in that they pass through the brain's synapses backwards so to speak, and affect the reuptake of various neurotransmitters along the way (they also react to things like opioids, alcohol, and a few other things if they are present). I wont go too much deeper into, but its affect on neurotransmitters has the potential to be a great aid for mood, stress and sleep disorders, including depression, PTSD, and insomnia.
@starstarboom, lol you really are an ass tbh. Care to solidify that fact a little more?
@Psyknis, depends on the meds, but its a valid point. Thatd be why I never said they did. ;)
@PB2, "not true at all" and proceeds to list effects that asprin would have, which is what I said.
Anyway im not sure why theres an argument here, if you wanna smoke weed, go ahead. However if you force me to breath it im gonna talk shït. Its really that simple.
edit: oh and you're a downvote troll, nice.
@Caine, exactly my point... There is no cure, no healing. It's a chemical imbalance, but for some reason the marijuana helps that imbalance. You may be right, it doesn't have healing properties. It's not the next penicillin, but for thousands and thousands of people, it offers hope, which is better than any magical cure.
@Psyknis, all right, I can see that.
@Caine, You are utterly clueless and should probably stop talking. Asprin provides so little pain relief I used to be on 500x dosages of it, 6 times a day (read 3,000 times what's commercially available) and guess what? Taking that much of something is terribly for your body, so I could hardly do that long term, or even for more than a week or two at a time (also had to take another few medications with it to prevent ridiculous blood thinning, and to prevent the build up of stomach ulcers and internal bleeding). In contrast I could smoke a gram or two a day almost indefinitely.
If it were not for this plant I would be dead, its that simple. No other pain medication actually works without destroying your internal organs once the pain felt reaches a certain threshold. Do some research, don't talk out your ass.
@PB2, dude why reply after being a troll, your comments are worthless in my eyes now.
See yourself out.
@Caine, funny how projection tends to say more about yourself, than those you cast it on.
@PB2, lol nice attempt at reflecting. Keep on trolling dude.
While I approve of the sentiment of this joke, there is plenty of money for schools and homeless shelters, if only the politicians and bureaucrats would stop wasting so much of your taxes.
Yay, I'm from Colorado! Finally good news about Colorado
I wish Texas would do this and put the money towards education or healthcare. But they wouldn't. So I'm not invested whether they do it or nit
They've also had crazy homeless people go on wild attacks since then, but I guess the extra money might still be worth it
@Sexy Homunculus, sadly that happens in places it isn't legal too. https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brandon-thompson-west-virginia-homeless-man-charged-in-machete-attack-police-say/
@Sexy Homunculus, that happens everywhere and similar things happened before. Saying that is like saying water must be bad because every criminal has drank water and then committed crimes.
@Megahut, I get that, I was just trying to make a funny and facetious comment. I didn't think anyone was going to take it so seriously
Nope. Hate it.
Also just because you use the money from something to do good doesn't make that thing right. That's a fallacy. You could say the same about prostitution. And if you're okay with that too, then insert whatever you're not okay with. And if you're okay with everything, I can't help you.
@TomPholio, I'm not okay with kidnapping and imprisoning people for victimless crimes.
I'm not okay with the state dictating what I can or cannot consume.
I'm not okay with violent gangs thriving due to this modern-day prohibition.
I'm not okay with the state outlawing perfectly consensual sex between adults for any reason.
I'm not okay with dogmatic moral busy-bodies wanting to fix all that they deem immoral with state force.
@Doctor Krieger, this^. Nailed it