I'd just like to point out that people call Donald Trump a fascist dictator, yet it's liberal college students who are the ones limiting free speech.
@Sgtcookie15, it's pretty silly, isn't it?
@Sgtcookie15, but at the same time should hate speech, speech that puts one group down, be protected speech? Does the fact that it's allowed to be spoken spread it's views and normalize hate. But then you got ish like Berkeley and I totally agree with you.
@Ultramatt, maybe not but it's gotten to a point where if a person says anything that disagrees with the opinions of another it can "offend" someone. And then suddenly it's hate speech.
@Ultramatt, I don't think that's exactly how things work, otherwise everyone would be KKK members. People can say whatever they want as long as it doesn't present a clear and present danger. Just because something offends you doesn't mean it's wrong. I'm all for freedom of speech is long as you don't threaten anyone else.
@Sgtcookie15, I myself am a liberal college student (or at least that's what is most accurate) and I cannot believe some of the shjt people say around me.
@Ultramatt, under the first amendment hate speech is protected unless it's direct incitement.
@Sgtcookie15, as someone at a liberal college and didn't like hillary or trump you have no idea how true this is
@Ultramatt, that becomes a slippery slope. What one person considers hate speech another person may not. It is too subjective to regulate. If is say on political party is ignorant to the real world, doesn't understand the real issues, etc (as both parties typically maintain) is that my observation or am I putting them down? Who can say to a point that it could be shown the speech should be limited?
@Ultramatt, yes, hate speech should be protected. You start letting the government pick and choose what speech is or isn't allowed, is only a matter of time till your opinion is considered hate speech and we have a secret police.
@Sgtcookie15, except the Trump team just suggested a new constitutional amendment to restrict free speech not to mention Trump repeatedly calling everything he doesn't like FAKE NEWS that should be shut down
@Donald Drumpf, expanding libel laws isn't restricting freedom of speech.
@Donald Drumpf, I for one am not against trying to prevent yellow journalism there is however a fine line there.
@Oujosh29, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."
@Oujosh29, if you can legally punish people for talking about you, that is absolutely restricting free speech
@Sgtcookie15, "clear and present danger" man APUSH has me ready to recognize this phrase everywhere
@Sgtcookie15, It's disgusting and hypocritical. One of the main reasons I call myself an independent despite mostly left beliefs. There's a great mini documentary on some exchanges at Yale I believe that I would recommend watching. The way the students treat profs for presenting touchy ideas is terrifying. It's like, they don't even try to engage in constructive debate or learn things. They just say over and over how offended and violated they feel that someone said something they didn't agree with... Sucks :/
@Donald Drumpf, it's not restricting free speech, it's the consequences of free speech, which is not what the 1st amendment is about. That's like saying I should be able to go on tv and say whatever I want and the place I work for can't fire me because that would be restricting my free speech.
@Oujosh29, and yet in an earlier comment you said how even hateful speech like you describe should be protected. if free speech has consequences it's not free
@Luna 5, ever looked into the libertarian party? They may be up your alley, maybe not just a suggestion :)
@Donald Drumpf, protected from the government. Goverment has no business being involved telling people what they can or can't say. Private individuals and businesses can decide they don't want anything to do with others.
@Sgtcookie15, conservatives don't shut liberal speakers down because they are at work trying to provide for their family.
@Oujosh29, then you should have no problem with these private universities and the people in them saying they don't want anything to do with people who practice what they call hate speech
@Donald Drumpf, private universities I have no legal issue with them banning hate-speech though I consider it a moral issue that they'd leave their students ill-equipped to deal with the outside world and that they're ruining the idea of college being an intellectual gladiatorial arena where the good ideas thrive and the bad ideas die on their own merits, not because of it being apart of a conflicting ideology. I do however have a *big* issue with state universities doing so
@Ultramatt, Yes, hate speech should be protected. Because if we give people the power to limit some forms of speech, we give them the power to limit all types of speech.
@Ultramatt, nice speech doesn't need protecting. Speech that you find insensitive or "hateful" absolutely needs to be protected. That's why the founders made that the first amendment. Without protecting ALL speech there is no freedom.
@Donald Drumpf, "congress shall pass no law infringing..."
I knew you'd be in here with you lack of wisdom, spewing nonsense.
Because the government can't arrest you for it does not mean no consequences. If I tell my boss to fûck off, I'm not going to be arrested, but I certainly will be fired.
Seriously how the hell does that need to be explained to you?
"Just because you are offended does not mean you are right"
"I may disagree with what you have to say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
should be displayed at every university
@Luna 5, Those phrases need to be on a shirt...
And a bus advert.
Okay real talk though, some dude at UT stabbed like 4 people the other day on campus. Wtf
@Talon13, dude. I go to rutgers. we have stabbings on a weekly basis.
@Talon13, Sanity is not a state of mind, more like a measurement of mental hardness. We all have these thoughts in our minds but most of us either push them to the back of our minds or not notice them completely, yet few people are unable to handle the pressure and submit to the madness. We all have the potential to do terrible things... If one believes they have a strong will and hold on to that belief, the mind becomes unbreakable. Have a good day everyone sorry for the long post.
@Tallvisit, uh no. You need to see a psychologist and tell them you're having issues with risk taking
@Sluggernot, *places finger on side of head* you can't have issues if you're the issue.
@Tallvisit, *scrolls down for 30 minutes past stupid argument* ah, the FUNNY comments!
I don't have a safe space. At home I am haunted by my own terrible mind. Around other people I struggle with social anxiety. I LIVE WITH IT. I do not have or want welfare or disability payments. I want to become a nurse, so I can eventually be a nurse practitioner with my own practice.
@Empshok, nice, the problem that some people have is that they dwell on what has happened/happening, and not deciding on what is GOING to happen.
The past may have influence on the present but the present WILL influence the future!
Thank you Richard Dawkins for stating this in words. University is for learning, free exchange of ideas and debate. Discussing controversial ideas is super important! I don't agree with all of RDs stances but defense of free speech is a big one yes.
I'd say God bless him, but....
For anyone who is actually interested in understanding this argument:
Safe space means different things to different people. A male golfer may feel very safe on a golf course for example. Because he is around people of similar backgrounds and in general people who he feels comfortable around, it is easy for him to challenge himself in other ways, such as his golf swing. Whereas, a man who has never played golf might feel overwhelmed in this situation. He might feel embarrassed that the other golfers are making fun of him or annoyed with him. Because this golfer is so focused on these other things, it is harder for them to focus on their golf swing. Both golfers are on the course to challenge their golf swing and become better golfers, but the second golfer is challenged in a second way. The core of the safe space argument is to say, let's encourage new golfers to come to the course by placing guidelines on how to treat new members.
@edog42995, can somebody mansplain this?
@Juggy, I do believe he saying that university isn't a safe space for some people because they are surrounded by people who are different and that could be frightening.
And to that I say THAT'S THE FRICKING POINT! Some might argue, no the point of college is to learns but that's only part of it. College exists to expose you to different thoughts, viewpoints, ideas, and cultures so you can use that knowledge to help the world and not just yourself. Sorry, but the world isn't a uniform robot factory and it's naive to think that your opinion is the only one or even the correct one.
@drawAline2UandMe, i do understand it, just wanted to make a joke about mansplaining
@Juggy, ah... well that went right over my head
@drawAline2UandMe, still, you argued it very well. If you surround yourself with only people who share your perspective, your perspective will never grow. A wide perspective, with insight into how other people live, is absolutely necessary to be a good and well developed human being.
You need empathy.
@edog42995, that is not what a Safe Space is. A Safe Space is somewhere where no one challenges your ideals and you are Safe to feel the way that you do.
A Safe Space may be different than a safe space, because one is officially a place where you feel like you don't have to defend yourself.
It's childish, and very short sighted.
@I Are Lebo, I'm retarded apparently and even I agree with you.
@MrMoustache, hey, we're all retarded sometime. Just a minute ago I was so sarcastic to my father that he thought I was serious and now he's thinking I'm an idiot. 🙄
@I Are Lebo, as an RA at a university we use safe spaces (empty rooms) for people who aren't comfortable in their own rooms due to roommate conflicts or because of situations where they don't feel safe in their own room anymore (sexual assault, discrimination, anything that would truly make them uncomfortable) and they can be temporary or long term, I don't know of other schools, but like safe spaces aren't for when you've been slightly offened, it's when you truly fear for your own safety and can't even go back to your own room to feel safe
@Toosicktobefunny, here that's just called a room change...
@Toosicktobefunny, that's the difference between a safe space and a Safe Space.
The second is for morons and man children who refuse to grow the fück up. The first is what you said it is.
@I Are Lebo, Man, I really didn't realize I able to agree with you on a politicized point. That's against the natural order of things. The world is doomed.
@ archiethesailor, that's why I never took our argument about Creationism to heart and why I don't believe in the 'left/right' mentality. My feelings and stance on one issue have nothing to do with my feelings or stance on an unrelated issue.
I think it should be that way for everyone.
My stance on gun control has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on abortion, which itself has no correlation whatsoever with my stance on homosexual marriage. And none of that has anything to do with my stance on immigration or ISIS.
You have to take every single issue on as it's own issue with its own merits.
@I Are Lebo, Which I agree with completely. I really just wanted to make a joke as a way of starting a conversation.
@ archiethesailor, I'm high as balls right now. 😁
@I Are Lebo, Have fun with that. I've always wondered, but I don't want to go through it, does that just make everything funny to you?
@ archiethesailor, First and foremost, you have to remember that there's two types of marijuana. Sativa and Indica. Sativa is more of an upper and Indica is more of a downer.
You smoke Indica to relax. Indica strains of weed fill a very similar role to alcohol. They suppress some higher brain functions to let you be more in the moment and less in your head.
Sativa is more like a life enhancer than it is 'happy juice'. Funny things are funnier, happy things are happier, etc. Food tastes better, music sounds better. The big downside is that negative things are also enhanced. Watching scary movies while high is a pretty bad idea.
There are some people out there who function BETTER while high on Sativa strains of weed. I have a buddy who suffers from anxiety attacks, he also has Asperger's. He drives better while a little high than he does while totally sober (and he's still a decent driver sober).
@I Are Lebo, Pretty interesting. Thank you for explaining.
@ archiethesailor, really truly it all depends on the drug. I'll do marijuana because I did the research and the pros outweigh the cons. By a lot. But I'd never try cocaine, or heroin, or ecstasy, or any of them. It's not worth it. Their cons vastly outweigh their pros.
Weed also varies quite a lot by intensity. Two weekends ago I was in New York for Tribeka film festival, and I got the chance to smoke weed with an honest to god Billionaire (that's B not M), and their stuff was exponentially better than anything I've ever smoked before.
Which is impressive when you consider that the medicinal stuff I get through Bedrocan (a major Canadian dispensary) is just as much better than street weed.
Im just saying, the scale between teetotaller and Snoop Dog is a 100 point scale, not a 10 point scale.
@Killerd202, oh yeah! Well have a good day!
@Killerd202, how is this at all controversial??
@Killerd202, It should be a place where you ideas and beliefs are challenged. It forces you to think critically. If you want to go to a soundboard, then talk to a mirror.
@Killerd202, go to your safe space little girl
@Killerd202, I'm pretty sure most sensible people would agree that universities that pander to everyone's whims are shjt. If you sacrifice your integrity for someone's comfort, you might as well be an overpriced daycare in the universities' place.
@Thegirlfriendsshirt, that bltch edited his comment now I don't know what to be angry about :/
@Donald Drumpf, angry with everything tried to make a joke about all these trigger pics lately
But what about the rapes/burglaries/stabbings? Can those stop maybe?