But actually it's not cool to cut the top of someone's djck off
@RustyFapwagon, You'd think that wouldn't be so complicated.
@RustyFapwagon, but it looks sleek as hell. So it's totally worth it.
@RustyFapwagon, and the fact that some people find an uncircumcised penis "gross" is a testament to how bad sex education is. And general human stupidity.
@Nyxa, Must be an American thing - never had that issue here and I was an absolute dog* in my early 20s, so I got a wide range of opinions.
*By 'dog' I mean that after a bad breakup I went through a phase of emotional instability where I sought solace in a series of shallow, physical relationships/internet hookups. It was fun at the time, but it's not the part of my life I'm most proud of.
@Hotchkiz, There's nothing wrong with it itself I guess. The real problem comes from the fact that people do it to babies that can't consent to it.
@RustyFapwagon, it's more aerodynamic
@Hotchkiz, it looks smaller so.
@RustyFapwagon, you're uncomfortable with a circumcised penis.
I'm uncomfortable with the fact that people with uncircumcised penises think 'head cheese' isn't the single most disgusting thing on earth.
@I Are Lebo, yeah if you don't clean your djck sure. But there is absolutely zero evidence that it's "cleaner" and there is evidence that shows that it's unhealthy to cut off part of your body (who fvckin knew)
@Nyxa, or maybe some people just have a preference for circumcised penises?
@Captain Swordsman, people can have a preference, sure. But just because you prefer blondes doesn't mean it is okay to find all brunettes gross.
@Nyxa, it's perfectly okay to find all brunettes gross though. What's a person supposed to do? Look in the mirror, and say "okay dude, you're gonna stop being repulsed by brown hair, and it starts today"?
@Nyxa, i actually hate the look of a circumsized penis. I understand its more hygienic but the head just looks soo weird. My husband isnt cut and im soo thankful. Plus a huge number of sensitivity is in the foreskin. Cutting it off diminishes the sensitivity so its actually harder to get turned on by touch
@Captain Swordsman, yeah, if something as minor as hair color physically repulsed you, that sounds like a mental problem. Phobias come to mind, as in it is fine to dislike spiders but being deathly afraid of them is classified as a mental problem. There is a stark difference between not being attracted to something and finding it repulsive. And I believe the preference for circumcised penis is a learnt thing. Only in cultures where circumcision is the norm do you see people being repulsed by uncircumcised penis.
@PunnyBaker, I've always disliked the sensitivity argument. Its sensitive enough when its circumsized, I've never thought "Y'know, that could have gone quicker"
@PunnyBaker, It really isn't any cleaner. You just pull back the foreskin and wash it every day. I didn't even know what dick cheese was until it was explained, plus it keeps stuff off the head. It is a natural lubricant, is more comfortable for women, and helps guys masterbate.
@Barry Dylan, there is no downside to having one and only positives. I'm pissed they chopped mine off. I literally got jewed out of a 100% functional djcktip.
@PunnyBaker, I agree. I don't particularly care one way or the other as far as aesthetics go, but it seems barbaric to remove such sensitive tissue from someone. Especially given it's being done mostly for aesthetic reasons. It would be like removing a clitoris to make the vagina look more "streamlined." As far as hygiene, it takes only a few seconds to pull the foreskin back and get everything clean. If someone thinks that is too much to expect from men, they need to increase their standards.
@Nyxa, exactly. Cleanliness is always the argument but i call bull. Just clean it like you said.
@RustyFapwagon, you couldn't be more wrong. There is PLENTY of evidence supporting circumcision.
@Captain Swordsman, there's a huge middle ground between not being attracted to something and being disgusted by something.
I myself am not attracted to black women. I've seen some very well put together black women, but it does nothing for me. That's my preference. But if I were to say that black women disgust me (which is untrue), that would not be acceptable and would in fact be racism, not a preference.
@I Are Lebo, there's way more evidence pointing to how bad it is. It drys out the glans, creates a mass of scar tissue, removes a ton of nerves, makes the penis more prone to damage, the list goes on. Not to mention the moral argument of how fvcked up it is to chop up someone's gens for very trivial superficial reasons.
Do you support FGM too?
@RustyFapwagon, there's no point arguing or debating with you. You refuse to listen to anyone else. It's a waste of my time and effort.
@I Are Lebo, it is literally a preference and not racism
@Captain Swordsman, don't argue with it. The hypocracy is unreal.
@Captain Swordsman, if you think black people are disgusting, you're a racist. It really is as simple as that.
@RustyFapwagon, there is no reason to dismiss or write off an entire ethnicity as 'disgusting'. It's ignorance and racism.
This is not a difficult concept.
@I Are Lebo, apparently it's a difficult concept for you because you seem to be unable to wrap your head around the idea that it's a preference and not racism. That's like saying that not dating a trans woman is bad because you only want to date women that were actually born women.
@I Are Lebo, lol I'm writing off a practice as disgusting. You don't support the same thing when it's done to females. You're a hypocrite.
If someone thinks that black people, white people, Asian people, Indian people, any ethnicity of people are physically disgusting, that's not racism, it's a preference.
Black women are the "least attractive" demographic statistically. Asian men are the "least attractive" demographic statistically. Just because someone uses a word you don't like to say that they aren't attracted to someone doesn't mean they are a racist, it means they use inflammatory words.
@Captain Swordsman, again, there is a big difference between disliking something and finding something disgusting.
That's the difference between a preference and a prejudice.
@RustyFapwagon, a male circumcision is nowhere near the same thing as castrating females.
If someone thinks that an entire ethnicity is physically disgusting, they are prejudiced. It is NOT a preference.
"Not attractive" is not a synonym for "disgusting".
@I Are Lebo, lets say someone thinks fat people are physically "disgusting." They don't hate fat people. They still work fine with fat people, they even have some fat friends but, they physically find them "disgusting." Is this person prejudiced for thinking fat people are "disgusting" (inb4 muh social constructs) or do they just have a preference?
No, cutting up someone's gens is the same thing as cutting up someone's gens. It's stupid, supported widely because of religious reasons with little to no basis in science, and it's fvcked up. I don't understand how you can argue for cutting up a djck when it is physically harmful and absolutely morally wrong.
@RustyFapwagon, I argue for it because it is neither physically harmful nor morally wrong. The process is much more involved than slicing a penis.
Castrating a female cripples them sexually for life. Not the same thing at all. That's like comparing an appendectomy with a lobotomy because "they both involve cutting".
Overweight people are not an ethnicity. But even then, finding people who are overweight, but not morbidly obese, is indeed prejudice.
@I Are Lebo, holy balls you're full blown SJW. This shjt is amazing. You call me ignorant when you very clearly have no understanding of basic anatomy which is pretty evident based on other things I've seen you advocate so I'm not really surprised.
The mental gymnastics you must have to do to go from "cutting a vagina is wrong, no way that's ok" to "cutting a penis is totally cool and not harmful at all guys. Sure I don't understand the physical ramifications of chopping off an important part of a delicate system, but I'm not going to question it" is insane.
@RustyFapwagon, if you're too fücking stupid to comprehend the difference between severing a woman's clitoris with removing a man's foreskin, then you're retarded and not worth my time.
@I Are Lebo, that's only one type of FGM oh wise and well versed SJW. Tell you what bud, why don't you do some more research, then get back to me? Then maybe we can actually discuss this instead of you doing mental gymnastics and talking in circles about something you pretty clearly don't understand.
@RustyFapwagon, pot, meet kettle.
@I Are Lebo, except I do understand the physical ramifications of doing the things you advocate and I've explained it, I'm not talking in circles, I have a pretty good understanding of how these systems are supposed to work, and I hold the same moral belief across the board that cutting up someone's body because it "looks weird" is fvcked.
Besides all those thing we're totally using the same style of argument.
@RustyFapwagon, I agree with you. Male circumcision is mutilation and should be illegal to perform on unconsenting children, except for serious medical situations.
@basrrf, speaking from my own experience, I'm quite grateful to have been circumcised. I've been to several bris's and while it's a little uncomfortable, it's by no means traumatic.
It's easy to write off something you don't understand as mutilation or as evil.
@I Are Lebo, It's fine to be circumcised, as long as that is the decision of the adult penis owner in question.
You wouldn't tattoo a newborn baby, would you? Both are permanent, one actually more than the other.
@basrrf, but that's a Catch-22. A circumcision is a trivial procedure on a newborn, that's why in Jewish tradition the circumcision is performed on the newborn boy within his first week.
Adults have a much tougher time with it. Because the foreskin develops further during puberty, there is a lot more tissue there to be removed.
When you're circumcised after birth, there's no loss of sensation, the scarring is VERY minimal (I've literally done more damage to myself while masterbating than my circumcision scars), and there's even some evidence that circumcised in infancy penises can grow to be longer than if they weren't circumcised.
Now, in some cases this is an issue of preferences, but there's another side to circumcisions. I'm Jewish, and we are ALL circumcised. (Males)
In Judaism the Bris is an important ceremony performed on a newborn boy's seventh day. This is when we circumcise.
@basrrf, I'm not religious at all. I don't believe in God, I don't read the Torah (though I have), I refuse to keep kosher. But I had a Bar Mitzvah. If I get married it will be in front of a Rabbi in a Jewish ceremony (regardless of whether or not my wife was born Jewish), and if I have a son he will have a Bris and be circumcised.
Please know that I know what I am talking about when I say that to simplify what a circumcision is to "cutting off the tip of your penis" is not only inaccurate, it's misleading.
@I Are Lebo, I disagree with the procedure being called "trivial" considering the long term effects. And I disagree with forced cosmetic surgical procedures on newborns, regardless of cultural importance.
However, I don't find the practice "evil" or anything like that, nor do I think parents that do this are bad people or parents. I just personally feel that circumcision should be a choice made by one's self.
I will not have my son circumcised if I ever have a son, it will be his choice when he is 18 or older.
@Nyxa, tbh Im a dude and i ask myself how a girl would ever want a fücked up uncircumcised wing dang doodle in her mouth/body. Given the choice id choose to be circumcised. Not like anyone remembers being cut as a baby anyway and now my penis has a nice head to pull pussy juice out with.
@PunnyBaker, thats not true at all lol. Must not have touched many penises.
@Nyxa, also having a hair color preference is NOT the same as being repulsed by certain colors.
@Lebo is my 13itch, i honestly dont know personally about the sensitivity since im a girl but thats just what ive heard. Realistically, sensitivity depends on each guy and from what i know based off what ive heard guys say, sometimes the more sex you have, the more desensitized it can be.
And honestly, my husband is the only guy ive actually had sex with so yes, im not an expert. Most of my knowledge comes from what he and other guys have told me
@basrrf, long term effects: my penis looks nice and it takes less time to clean.
Further if it were me id me pissed if i had to wait to be able to be a consenting adult to do a procedure that is trivial.
Again nobody remembers being circumcised. I garunfückintee it.
@basrrf, what long term effects? I was circumcised 29 years ago and I can tell you the only problem I have with my dïck is that I don't get to use it often enough.
This is a problem of lack of understanding. Circumcisions are not (meant to be) a cosmetic surgery. Jews don't circumcise our sons because it looks better. We do it for health and sanitary reasons.
The argument on whether a circumcised penis is actually healthier I leave to others, but a simple truth is that I do not have to worry about infections or head cheese, a fact that I am grateful for.
Letting your son choose whether he gets circumcised is choosing not to. It's more traumatic, more damaging, and much more unpleasant as an adult
Source: I as well as my brother and father were all circumcised as babies. I have an uncle that was circumcised as an adult when he converted to Judaism
The conclusion? It's far preferable to get it done BEFORE you begin imprinting memories. Even then, the baby stops crying within minutes
@PunnyBaker, no offense but people like you are why this world is fücked. You present opinion as fact because it is what you "heard". There is a reason hearsay is ignored in law and thats because its all B.S.
And yes, the more you do something the less your body reacts, its called your immune system at work. Hence body builders hitting plateaus.
@RustyFapwagon, lady here - this debate is stupid. Chopping off a piece of a child's penis for looks (they think it looks better, others would disagree) or hygiene is ridiculous -and should be considered genital multilation. Sure you can have a preference but to be disgusted with a natural body part is messed up - I prefer natural penises both appearance and function wise. Reminds me of the whole labia thing with women. Its meant to be there. It has a purpose. Its not gross. This phobia isnt in cultures that don't practice it for a reason. Showering solves most "issues". Either way, rates are dropping in the US for a reason.
@Lebo is my 13itch, I am glad you are happy with the design of your penis, don't feel I am dissing the uncircumcised. But as for why a girl would prefer uncircumcised, I find that it feels much better. There is less friction, but all the benefits of full penetration. Plus, there is more djck overall. And I know I may be judged for this, but I've only ever let my current boyfriend, who is uncircumcised, fück me without a condom. Circumcised just isn't as comfortable in my opinion. And if you are getting your girl wet like you should be, your djck will be covered in juice either way. ;)
@Nyxa, lol sorry if i like her sloppy. To each their own. Nothing quite like fücking a hot dog i guess lol.
@basrrf, being a parent means making decisions for your children until they are old enough and mature enough to make their own.
That's why you vaccinate your children.
It's similar to the whole gender issue. If your child ends up being gay or trans, you support them. Whether or not it ends up being a phase, you either support them or you risk destroying your relationship.
But if you raise your child in a gender neutral environment while growing up, taking the stance of "you decide what you are", you will permanently fück up any chance that child has of learning stability.
Here is a simple fact: children do not know what is good for them. Many adults don't, either. And the reason those adults don't know what's good for them is because they were never taught. By their parents.
P.S. if you don't think circumcision is evil why did you argue that it should be illegal?
@madeyoulook2, for the record female circumcision is a whole different thing. Anyone who compares the two in anyway is a moron. Just sayin. Cutting up a woman takes away her defenses, cutting my foreskin off means nothing. My penis still closes.
@Caine, sloppy? Hot dog? Wtf? Why are you fücking hot dogs???
@madeyoulook2, it isn't even more hygienic. Jews think it is but there is essentially zero evidence to support that claim. I'm sure that 2000 years ago when no one bathed regularly it was a potential problem. Maybe the guys advocating it don't wash their djcks.
Circumcision actually started to decrease in popularity in the US a long time ago and then became popular again around the time Dr. Kellogg (yeah, the crazy cereal guy) told people it would keep their kids from masturbating. It's twisted that we keep practicing some jew tradition for essentially no reason when it's insanely damaging. Hopefully more people will actually look into it before they decide to perminantly alter their kid because some guy wearing a bathrobe thousands of years ago said to.
@Caine, No, I am saying women face a lot of sh!t for their labia size/appearance too due misinformation and unrealistic standard set by porn. To the point that they are paying thousands to surgical remove them. Its a painful surgery to remove a very natural functional and enjoyable part and thats messed up. Im not talking at FGM but there are types very comparable to MGM.
@I Are Lebo, he said perminantly altering someones physical body without their consent should be illegal. What he said was: cutting up a baby's private parts because reasons is a bad idea.
@RustyFapwagon, yeah Im not saying its more/less hygienic. Thats like saying large labia is somehow unhygienic. No, not showering is unhygienic not a piece of skin. Like seriously, shower and you can save you genital skin, what a breakthrough *sarcasm*. Id never put my son through that and Im glad my mother was against it for my family members. I cant imagine being like, "Okay 15 year old daughter, your labia minora has come in, time to chop it off its cleaner/prettier".
@Nyxa, there's some evidence that having a foreskin can inhibit growth.
Meaning without a foreskin there's actually more penis. Not less.
@madeyoulook2, there really isn't. A circumcision is a trivial procedure, even in adults. It takes less than a minute to perform, and unless the one doing it has Parkinson's or epilepsy, there's almost zero risk. There are also no real long term effects.
None of those things are true of labial trimming, let alone full female circumcision.
@RustyFapwagon, I could explain to you, in depth, why everything you just wrote is wrong. But you won't listen anyway, because it's more important to you to hold onto your beliefs than it is for them to be accurate.
If you want to educate yourself, a simple Google search will give you your answers. Until then, all you are doing is spewing ignorance.
@I Are Lebo, I don't know how true that evidence may be, but either way I would choose comfort over size. Even if you are in a stretch limo, if the suspension is shjt, you're gonna have a bad time.
@I Are Lebo, but what I've said about circumcision is medically accurate. It's not a "belief," it's verifiable fact. If you want to keep clinging to something some guy said 2000 years ago because "muh tradition" then do it. I'll just sit over here with a way better understanding of basic human anatomy that says you're wrong. Hopefully your kid won't be smarter than you and realize what you did.
@Nyxa, that's an amusing analogy. I'm not sure how applicable it is, but then, being a heterosexual male I'm not particularly experienced in the comfort levels of a penis. 🤷🏻♂️
@RustyFapwagon, you realize that exact same argument goes against the entirety of Christianity, right? "Clinging to something some guy said 2,000 years ago". Do you really honestly think you're the first person to question whether a medical practice performed out of tradition was still valid? Do you honestly think that every single doctor or Rabbi that performs them is an idiot? That none of them ever stopped and considered whether or not they should keep doing it?
As well, all of my first, second, and third hand experience contradicts what you've written. I've done research on this topic, and I have experience with this topic.
I don't disagree with you because "muh tradition", I disagree with you because your 'facts' are inaccurate.
@I Are Lebo, I am uncut and am glad I wasn't cut. I was taught to properly wash underneath the skin when I was young, and for the most part I haven't had to deal with head cheese or infections.
It was of my understanding that males were originally circumcised in order to reduce masturbation rates? How true this is I do not know 100%, but that is my historic understanding of the practice.
Illegal practices do not necessarily equate to evil. Like littering, for example. People that litter aren't evil per se, but they shouldn't litter. I don't believe in the practice, and that is my opinion. Law is merely opinion as well.
Vaccinations benefit the greater good more than the individual, but vaccinations don't involve the removal of any body part (just saying)
If you were to circumcise your son, I would simply disagree with it. I wouldn't think you're an idiot or cruel, nor would I dislike you for it. Just disagree.
If you didn't have your son vaccinated, however, I would dislike you.
@I Are Lebo, interesting, I'm not sure when the anatomy of the penis changed. Your anecdotal "every one in my family cuts part of their djck off so it must be fine" argument is trash. I'll again stick with the actual anatomy.
@I Are Lebo, (Part 2)
I hope that sheds some light on how much I feel regarding both discussions.
Circumcise your son: I merely disagree with you. That's all.
Not vaccinate your son: I almost hate you, and you should be in jail.
@basrrf, a fairly reasoned argument.
I have never personally heard anything about a correlation between circumcision and masterbation. I can tell you for sure that being circumcised does not and never has gotten in my way of self stimulation, so I'd assume that to be an old wives tale.
@RustyFapwagon, personal experience, shared experience, medical research, and doctor collaboration are on my side. That is what I have to defend circumcision.
What you have on your side is ignorance and heresay. Which is the exact same thing you have on your side in political and religious topics, too.
@basrrf, hey, we don't have to agree with other to respect each other.
If I have a son he'll be circumcised because it's not really my choice. I'd face social and cultural consequences if I didn't, and so would my son.
But if I have ANY children, they WILL be vaccinated. That IS my choice, and I refuse to make the wrong choice there.
@I Are Lebo, how can you believe anecdotal evidence and at the same time anatomic evidence that directly contradicts your anecdotal evidence?
@I Are Lebo, keep running that old SJW "I don't like it bro it's probably not true or something let's just call him a racist and run away" tactic.
@RustyFapwagon, a couple things. Firstly, SJW stands for Social Justice Warrior. What this means is someone who takes stands on (usually unimportant) issues, and generally being an annoying dïckbag about it. While I freely admit I have done this in the past, that is not what I have been doing here. If you're going to insult me, at least try to be accurate about it. I'm definitely an asshole, and I can be really anal retentive and nitpicking.
Second, I believe my anecdotal evidence because it backs up my anatomical evidence. I'm not sure where you're getting your anatomical data from, but the doctors I've spoken with, the moyel I spoke with, and the research I did while in college all concurred that circumcisions are helpful in preventing infections and that's about it. No moderate or severe long term effects, no lasting trauma, nothing.
@I Are Lebo, Yes, good idea to agree to disagree.
Nice talking/"debating" with you, man. You do what you feel is right for you and your family, that is a father's job in life.
@I Are Lebo, again yes, if you don't properly wash yourself you can get infections. The "long term effects" might not be cancer or something ridiculous, but it is still objectively worse than not doing it because of how many nerve endings are lost and how unhealthy it makes the skin.
@basrrf, likewise. *respectful head nod*
@RustyFapwagon, my dïckskin is perfectly healthy, thanks. My sensitivity is pretty good, too.
Again, I'm not sure where you're getting this from. My circumcision scar is like five or six 1mm lines on my penis. That's it.
Look, I'm not arguing that everyone should be circumcised. I'm arguing that the difference is extremely minimal and this is really a non issue. Frankly, I'm a little confused as to why we are still debating it at all.
@I Are Lebo, that's the anatomic function of the foreskin. You might be content with not having normal function, but others might not be. That's why it shouldn't be done without consent. No matter how you look at it you are altering the function of a vital organ for reasons that were viable when people couldn't bath regularly.
@RustyFapwagon, you are misinformed. Being circumcised as an infant does not affect penis function. That's why we still do it. It's also pretty hard to get consent from a newborn, and that's the point in time where it causes no lasting harm.
Being circumcised as an adult is what causes in damage to functionality because you are removing a piece of flesh that is exponentially larger and more developed.
It's also not just about bathing. There are other factors.
@I Are Lebo, no, we still do it because it was repopularized by a doctor that thought cornflakes were a legitimate "medicine" to prevent masturbation. The damage may not be as severe when it's done to a child, but it's still damaged and there are still negative results.
@RustyFapwagon, I've never even heard of the doctor you mentioned and it's pretty ignorant to think that everyone in the world was influenced by one doctor.
Jews also never stopped, so attributing that to a doctor in recent times is pretty stupid.
@RustyFapwagon, and again, what negative results?
@I Are Lebo, we get it, you love your lack of foreskin but that doesn't give you the right to force that on a baby/child. Let the kid decide at 18+ years old. There are no social consequences when 80-50% of kids in the us and Canada aren't anymore. By the time you have kids, being circed will most likely be the minority. Maybe I missed that you are religious?
@madeyoulook2, you aren't listening. Letting the kid decide is tantamount to deciding not to. It's a trivial procedure on a baby that the baby forgets within minutes because they don't yet have memory retaining. For an 18 year old it's something much more traumatic.
It really is a preference thing. Slight improvement in hygiene, or the more 'natural' approach.
What you suggest is almost like saying "let's let our child decide whether they get born naturally or through C section". There is a fairly short window on a proper circumcision, and it closes LONG before the child has the mental capacity to understand it.
@madeyoulook2, also, where are you getting these numbers from?
I mean, "80-50%" isn't a real statistic either, unless you accidentally wrote it backwards.
@I Are Lebo, as far as I know, it isn't as trivial as you remark - residual pain for months, pain during the procedure, higher rates of colic, etc. Even if it was, its no right to chop off a child's foreskin. The whole "no memory thing" is not an excuse to put your child through painful experiences for no reason or hygiene preferences. Your analogy is ridiculous. C-sections save lives are are medically necessary in a lot of cases. However, doctors have said over and over that they should not be elective due to the risk factors.
@Nyxa, nice try at turning that around. I remember middle school.
@madeyoulook2, 🤦🏻♂️ I speak from personal experience, shared experience, doctors knowledge and experience, and Rabbi's shared experience. When done properly, circumcision heals within days. There is no residual pain, there are no heightened chances of disease.
You and RustyFapWagon keep bringing this up and it's simply not true. Your arguments against circumcision are based on false data. At some point in your lives you have been misled.
@PunnyBaker, no guy has trouble getting turned on by touching!
@RustyFapwagon, uhm....not to be THAT guy but the SJW side would be anti circumcision, the side youre on...
@Caine, SJW believe shjt based solely on anecdotal evidence in the face of reality. That's why I say that.
@madeyoulook2, not sure if you realize the developed state a new born is in? For all we know being alive in the air is pure torture, or possibly they feel very little due to undeveloped nerves. Just a thought while you speak for a creature that cant speak for itself.
@Caine, we scientifically know they feel pain, and yes birth itself is painful BUT inevitable. Cutting off their foreskin is not a inevitable or essential part of being born.
@RustyFapwagon, "SJW believe shjt based solely on anecdotal evidence in the face of reality"
That's literally what you've been doing this entire thread.
The only SJW here right now is you.
@I Are Lebo, nope. Everything I've said it still backed by basic anatomic function.
@madeyoulook2, regardless, there is a metric for trauma based on how early it can be committed to long term memory. Incidents of child rape are remembered at an extremely young age, though usually as repressed memories, because of how traumatic the incident is. Witnessing a brutal murder, likewise, is kept as a long term memory.
Nobody retains the memory of their circumcision.
I really haven't been exaggerating. Getting your tonsils removed is a more complicated and harmful procedure than a circumcision. The fact that is taking place on the penis is an understandable reason to be antsy about it. But really truly, the long term negative effects to being circumcised are extremely minor to non existant.
@RustyFapwagon, no, it isn't.
@RustyFapwagon, This is what 'anatomical evidence' you've presented:
"It drys out the glans" - no it doesn't
"It creates a mass of scar tissue" - circumcision scars are tiny
"Removes a ton of nerves" - not really. In infancy there are barely any nerves in the foreskin
"Makes the penis more prone to damage" - possibly, but it also allows for faster healing
"It isn't even more hygienic" - I've never gotten an infection there, and I've had periods of less than ideal hygiene.
Absolutely none of your 'facts' have been accurate, and you have given no sources for your information. Anatomical data is NOT on your side. You are incorrect in your beliefs that circumcision is a harmful thing to do to our children. The difference between circumcised and uncircumcised is minimal.
You also argued that circumcision and labial trimming were the same. Any understanding of basic biology will dispute that. The procedures are very different, with a substantially longer recovery time for labial trimming.
@RustyFapwagon, in light of all of that, this argument is entirely pointless. You will either accept that you are incorrect, or you will decide to cling to your ignorance.
Regardless of your choice, I no longer stand to gain anything from this conversation. Good day.
@I Are Lebo, we've known since the late 90s that there are 20000 to 70000 nerve endings in developed foreskin (H.C. Bazett, et. Al., “Depth, Distributioin and Probably Identification in the Prepuce of Sensory End-Organs Concerned in Sensations of Temperature and Touch; Thermometric Conductivity,” Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry 27)
The mucosa is a part of the foreskin that's removed during circumcision. This is the part that is responsible for keeping the skin from drying out (which further damages nerve endings). That's just basic anatomy and I don't really expect you to know it based on all the stupid shjt you've said about this thing that you don't know about.
It does allow faster healing because the skin is so much dryer than it's supposed to be because it's so damaged.
There is no evidence to support that it's "cleaner" to be circumcised. None.
I use FGM because it's equally fvcked. Regardless you are causing damage to a system connected to a person that can't consent.
@RustyFapwagon, you are remaking the same arguments I have already debunked. The whole reason why we circumcise in infancy instead of adulthood is because it isn't damaging then. To get consent is to undo the entire point.
Furthermore, I SAID GOOD DAY!
@I Are Lebo, don't listen to my silly goyim magic talk though. I don't care if jews want to cut up their djcks. But don't act like it's normal and don't act like it's better.
@I Are Lebo, oy vey! The goyim know! Shut it down!
@RustyFapwagon, it is perfectly normal, and I never said it was better.
@I Are Lebo, "I said it was normal" he says underneath the reference to the medical journal that says it's not normal and actually bad for you
@RustyFapwagon, the medical journal you reference talks about the negatives to adult circumcision. And it may just be right.
But the biggest piece of evidence that an infant's circumcision is not the same as an adults is this simple fact. An infant circumcision can be performed by a minister in a party room. An adult circumcision must be performed by an MD in a sterile environment.
@I Are Lebo, the nerve endings on a part of the body you cut off don't develop. The mucosa can't perform it's function if you cut it off. It doesn't matter how old you are. You understand this right?
Or the driver could be a skeleton protesting against us skinned people
I saw never askin.
Or it means "never foreskin"
It could be metaphical. The car's a convertible; the "foreskin" is the rooftop.
Could it be "askin" with a 4 as an A? That's what I saw at least.
You got my mind rolling to all the wrong places now
Definitely thought he was circumcised