No, we’ll be telling our kids about North Korea around the campfire during nuclear winter. Watch out for radroaches.
@FP Waiter, Maybeeeeeeeee you'll think of meee
Idk. US military is reaaaally dragging their feet even tho we've been threatened by them multiple times
@wannabe firefighter, War is a last resort, N Korea has a lot of mountains with hidden weapons that we can't effectively destroy in the first rounds of bombing. They won't win a war against us but A LOT of soldiers and South Koreans are going to die as they bombard the 38th parallel from their hidden installations.
@wannabe firefighter, its mainly because the US is good friends with South Korea and we treat them almost akin to our own. If North Korea had even the slightest reason to initiate a real war, they'd just carry their (probably only) nuke(s) straight through South Korea and blow them up. Honestly they don't need long range nuclear weapons. Their main target touches their country.
@wannabe firefighter, they've got a good reason, unlike a lot of other countries that would respect the boundaries of war, if North Korea went to war their only purpose would be mutually assured destruction, as they know they could never win.
@FrankNStein, bingo, they will go all out to the last man destroying everything they can. They lose in the long run but not before they kill and destroy so much of South Korea
@megamanx181x, not if we literally annihilate them with our first pass. Drop enough nukes on them and there won't be any return fire of massive scale. Of course that would make the neighbors angry that a large amount of fallout is near them, but honestly at this point they sat in waiting for America to do something, you can't get that mad that we decided to end the conflict when nobody else would.
@orion55, As boner enticing as that is you know that isn't going to happen, especially as a first round attack as we will set Russia/china and other "so-so" allies off with us. We're aren't the only nuclear power in the world and we are supposed to fight logically not emotionally. Yes Kim and his father made frequent threats to us and they are a danger but if our generals have been working for decades for a strategy that doesn't involve nukes then we should listen to them.
@megamanx181x, I just have messed up issues and legitimately want to see either 1. Armageddon (not the movie), or B. America stun the world with the mightiest display of "everybody fvck the fvck off we're not joking around."
Not even joking, I'd pay to watch.
But yea it's unlikely any of that will happen. But since this is a weirdly isolated issue, I'm not so sure about how intensely involved everyone else will get because we all know that if superpowers start dropping nukes on each other, no country will survive. Korea isn't a superpower.
@wannabe firefighter, look upon me.
Look upon me in awe.
@orion55, don't underestimate Russia or China, even if nukes don't get involved there will be long term consequences
@megamanx181x, so essentially we are waiting for N Korea to do something very very stupid. We should definitely not strike first. But then what? How do we save the most lives after that? Take the hit and not retaliate? (Which will probably never happen in US history) Start war the conventional way which leave N Korea with enough military stamina to do horrid amounts of damage to its surrounding area for a longer time? Or smack them down so hard on the first strike of war that the war essentially ends days later? War is going to piss everyone off all at once because of treaties ect, and it won't just be Russia/china vs US. We have much of Europe with us as well.
All of my ideas assume we will already be at war FYI.
@orion55, you hit them first and China will step in because they are supporting communist nations. They already know if N Korea jumps the gun they are staying out of this, and yes this is a literal wait for them to do something stupid so that way we can bomb and shoot the crap out of them relentlessly. You are thinking that a conflict like this will only involve just the US and Korea and it won't. Russia technically backs n Korea because of their former Soviet Union culture and government practices. If this was simpler times with simpler weapons with no long term consequences with our shaky ally china (who owe billions of dollars in debt and trade frequently with) I would be for making a strong statement but those days are gone. You really should try to imagine how horrific the damage and carnage in general this will cause; Iraq wasn't a challenge but this will be.
@orion55, the radiation of a nuke we drop could destroy as much of ours as much as destroying theirs. South Korea has been completely devoted to the US and are amazing allies. They let us inhabit their country in several areas. If anything is started, radiation could move towards the North/South Korean border which houses military personnel for both America and SoKo. Then there is the damage of cleaning up the waste (if ever). Then the ultimate decades of mutations and problems in offspring in populations not killed by the blasts. So think of an American soldier that gets radiation but not death--- permanent military disability for the rest of his life. if he has any kids, they would most likely have issues which would result in US Social Security disability funds. Also, whatever kids he has can a) go to college for free b) have free healthcare until they are 23. That's a HUGE payload from the federal government for ONE person... imagine if it happened to THOUSANDS of soldiers. Cost.
@SchroedingerPussPuss, WW3 will be much worse than permanent irradiation of that area. My argument only stands on knowing war is inevitable. No shjt war is bad for your reasons and many others, but if we can do nothing but fight, how would you fight? The best option is no war ever. If there's gonna be a war, wreck them hard.
@megamanx181x, my arguments assume war is inevitable. Ie. North Korea already hit us with something or made enough of a threat to warrant a strike in self defense. Then my argument is if we have to fight, hit so hard that the fight ends quickly instead of this dragging out into years of actual warfare between the super powers that will most definitely jump in. Once Russia and China get involved, the world ends- and everyone knows it.
No one is gonna mention the Pogs? How many people even remember Pogs? I love the 90's but Pogs were dumb as Sh!t.
@Fatpossum, i remember pogs
@Fatpossum, I still have no idea what a pog is...
@Doctor Krieger, so a pog is like a disc the size of 50 cent coin but cardboard. You could buy different themed Pogs like Simpsons or sports or Kriss Kross or others 90's sh!t or if you were lucky, you got the pog maker machine where you could put your own images on the Pogs. I had one of those and would get images out of magazines to put on them, this was in a time where it took 3 hours to download an image off the internet so that wasn't feasible option. So that's what Pogs are. Now there was also a game where you could win Pogs off your friends using a heavier pog to do something, but I have no clue how that worked. I'd have to ask my older brother.
No, the history teachers will never let us forget it, because it'll be on the test!
It's not about winning. I think we will win. It's about not having a national tragedy on our hands here.
Good lord we've moved off tape and now we calling discs old school? I've joined the ranks of the old folks on here.
@Belzin11584, I hate to say this but it hit me the other day as I was cleaning out my room. I found a stack of CD blanks, plastic carriers and those CD binders for all my music and I said to myself how cumbersome it was to use all this. Then I realized that wow this is old technology already....