If efficiency is what we're after, leaving it is clearly the best, since the next person could want it where you leave it whether up or down. If for some reason we want a rule 'always leave it up/down' then down is more efficient, since everyone sits some of the time and some sit every time.
@Joseph V Stalin, it's not about efficiency, it's about sending a message.
@The Common Shaman, and that message is "women matter more than men"
@I Are Lebo, that's just not true.
@The Common Shaman, really? The attitude that men must be constantly aware of the position of the toilet lid, and must also be aware of any splashes and clean them, but that women should be catered to by having the seat always in their preferred arrangement, and that they should be looked on as victims for sitting in an open toilet, is not sexist?
The idea that women should not have to look before they sit, but that men must always look before they stand, is absolutely a message that women matter more than men. At least in the regard of toilet usage. It is a complete double standard.
@I Are Lebo, wait wait I think we have a misunderstanding here. I totally agree with you. I was referring to the "message" things shouldn't matter about efficiency, or preference. I think that I should be able to leave the toilet seat how ever the hell I want. If somebody wants to change it, they can.
Men have been catering to woman for as long as humans have existed
@The Common Shaman, fair enough. I can get behind you on your first point. If I don't care about the position of the seat because I'll adjust it to my preference, and this other person does care about it, then they are more than capable of also adjusting the seat for their preference.
Unless they have no arms, in which case I am willing to be a little more accommodating.
@Joseph V Stalin, or if we look at it logically put the lid and seat down so you dont splash shït particles through the air when you flush the crapper. Just saying.
edit: fixed grammar because I had no idea what I said.
@I Are Lebo, @Caine, I'll do you one better, pee in the sink. More ergonomical, no seat, and you use less water.
@Lonely Monkey Fart, seats always down, toilets always clean, happy wife, happy life. And when they drop their toothbrush in the sink you get a nice silent laugh
@Caine, I can't really tell what you're "just saying". Proofreading is a skill that you would benefit from.
Edit: I get it now
@I Are Lebo, agreed.
@I Are Lebo, dude, it's just so you don't fall into the fvcking toilet when you go for a midnight pee. It's safer and makes more sense. If women need it down all the time, and men also need it down a portion of the time, odds are that it just better off being kept down. But in my household, my boyfriend and I just leave the cover down entirely. So it is fair to everyone. Also it's just more hygienic that way.
I hope you're being ironic because "but that men must always look before they stand..... it is a complete double standard." MEN ARE GONNA BE LOOKING NO MATTER WHAT CAUSE THEY GOTTA AIM YOU J@CK@SS. Men can also just PEE SITTING DOWN. Many of them do! There is no physical need for a man to stand, they just do so for convenience. In exchange for the convenience of standing, they raise/lower the lid.
I am sorry you are such a snowflake that toilet etiquette triggers you.
@Nyxa, and I'm sorry that you're so sensitive that a contrary opinion triggers YOU.
Clearly you have never been in a situation where you are a large man with a big penis attempting to pee sitting down on a toilet that is too small. Up until fairly recently, most toilets that I attempt to use I CANNOT use sitting down if I have an erection. Attempting so will result in me literally peeing into my own face. Oftentimes, erections, whether random or not, will not go down until after I have urinated. Peeing while erect is HARD. I'm 7" while erect, which is well smaller than the sizes that men can reach.
Men do have to aim no matter what, and women do too. The difference is that men have to aim their dick, while women have to aim their asses.
The answer isn't having your needs catered to while men can fend for themselves. I agree with your stance on putting everything back down, seat and lid. It's more aesthetically pleasing, reduces the chances of harmful bacteria spreading, and is fair.
But I have limited sympathy for women who fall into the toilet. You should pay attention to where you sit, regardless if it's a chair or a toilet.
You sitting on something not suitable to sit on and suffering as a result is no one else's fault but yours. Pay attention and don't expect to have your needs catered to.
Gender equality I always say. If anything put it all down.
I am a man, my personal philosophy is always put the seat and the lid down. I find it to be more hygienic and look nicer. But my gf on the other hand just leaves the lid up. I hate, she still thinks I have to put the seat down though. Like no, if I have to put the seat down, you have to put the god damn lid down. I won't stand for that double standard BS.
@But I have pants on, I agree with this. I always put the full cover down. Please explain to girlfriend that fecal and urine particles can escape from an open toilet and settle on anything around the toilet; toothbrush, hairbrush, make up, etc. it's just good hygiene.
But the seat is both up and down if you don’t go into the bathroom, (and pee out the window instead).
@Mawaneu, I mean personally I wouldn't want to pee out the window if it was down
@Mineshack, idk why but I was neither expecting nor ready for that response. I actually laughed audibly.
If it's from the comfort of my own home, I'll just sit and piss, men can do both and women can only do one. Furthermore if the seat is down a dude can see it and put it up before pissing, no harm done. If the seat is up and a woman goes to sit, not noticing or being otherwise distracted then she ruins her entire day. If we really wanna break it down, it is nice for men to leave it down. But this is just household etiquette. We can discuss it with all of our wives, girlfriends and families and not get so butthurt about gender roles.
I feel as though women should appreciate a man who picks it up in the first place instead of getting piss all over it
Men have been oppressed by the toilet seat expectation for too long. We want FREEDOM
Just remove the screws from the seat and smear vasoline on the top of the toilet bowl. You know, where the seat meets the bowl. I love pranks, guys.
1. Work/live on a boat, you'll leave the lid down if you don't like fishing your toothbrush out of it. 2. Leave the seat down, not for girls, but the for the one time you forget and sit in the seat (balls and cold water, unexpectedly), also girls don't like to fall in either. 3. No big deal to leave it either way, just check first (unless you live on a boat).
4. I shut the lid when I poop because I don't care to be a part of a feces particle smoothie when I flush.
Fvck it I'll just pee on the seat, you'll clean it and I'll have the same amount of bjtching in my face with much much less effort. Or you could let me lift it and put it down when I'm not too drunk or tired to remember and just realize that I run off of memory and not a hard drive so sometimes it will be left up. Your choice
Wouldn’t it be easier for women to lift it up when they get up from their squat as opposed to men having to bend over to lift it up AND putting it back down?
My roommate always closes the lid... WHY?!
@PBnJ, whenever you flush, the toilet basically ejects aerosolized piss and shjt remnants into the air. You close the lid to stop or at least limit that.
@Delivery God Yato, but then I have to touch the lid...
@PBnJ, I mean it's either that or you have pee and poop particles on everything, including your toothbrush.
@Delivery God Yato, I realize that, but I also realize I'm lazy.... You win this round, roommate...
@Delivery God Yato, this is why it should just all go completely down every time. I, my wife and kids all do it and we never have any issues with this up/down nonsense. Also we don't have quite so much aerosolized piss and shjt everywhere, as you so masterfully put it.
@Delivery God Yato, there will always be poop particles on everything in the bathroom, It's unavoidable. Mythbusters tested it.