I'll take Things that are imaginary for $500 Alex
@CaptainCrunchyCvnt, the CEO of YouTube is a female?
@liberachi , that explains all the problems
@liberachi , so THAT'S why YouTube is so awful
Close but no cigar, I've never known a female medic or nurse paid less than me for no reason
@Medic135, I work in a female dominated profession and learned a couple years ago that the only other worker who’s been there longer than me (me being a male, her a female), and in fact works quite a bit more than I do, actually gets paid less than me. It does happen.
@Berntley, are your jobs completely identical
@Berntley, if so then she should sue the workplace, because that's been illegal for over 50 years
@Berntley, of course "it happens" and there are thousands of examples of the opposite happening.
Anecdote =\= data
@Medic135, I've never seen a murder, so murder doesn't exist?
@Berntley, There's other factors at play here. For example, how often has she asked for a raise versus you? Did both of you negotiate your starting salaries to be the same? What other types of compensation of both of you getting and do they add up to the same value? Of course there is a chance she's getting paid less for being a woman, but unless you take into account the dozens of factors that go into employee compensation, then you can't say for sure that that's the case. You can only assume. And assuming helps no one.
@big freedom, to be fair, Medic's comment was completely anecdotal as well haha
@CriTiKa1, our jobs are identical and she’s been there a year longer than I have. She likely started out at a lower salary than I did, because I had more experience in the field we work in, but that’s only my assumption. She has asked for a raise at every annual review, and they have always shown reluctance. We are only eligible for a raise once every two years, but she has at least requested one even when she’s not, but has only gotten them when she was eligible. I have literally never requested a raise at any point, and have received a raise even in the years that I wasn’t eligible for one. There are a lot of factors, and I can’t say in absolute certainty that it’s a sexism issue, but the evidence is there. Including the fact that the person we answer directly to is a man, and he’s basically the yes or no guy with the raises.
There are also factors in how we are treated. She is our top earner, and has been since our last top earner (and longest standing employee) left, leaving her
@Berntley, as top earner AND longest standing employee. That means she gets quite a bit of overtime, but believe me, the ratio at which we get paid vs how much we earn means overtime is only beneficial to our company. However, she has been grilled a time or two about earning overtime, even making just a little bit. Not punished for it, by any means, but they’ve talked to her about it. Not a word has been said to me when I’ve made my fair share of overtime. I feel she is also chastised for making certain decisions on the job, which I’ve never received any criticism for. It’s been an odd experience. Mind you, I respect our boss, and he’s mostly a really decent guy, but I can’t help but see that he is sometimes biased against the other women in our workplace, and he makes a lot of them uncomfortable in a number of ways.
@Medic135, Short answer: yes. Check my response to CriTiKa1 below.
@Jonnasty, I'm sure it exists, but not in the rampant numbers people claim
@Blue Shirted Guy, you're technically correct, which is the best kind of correct
@Berntley, well then it sounds unfair and she should pursue a change or demand an explanation. It doesn't happen much in my line of work but I'm not saying it doesn't happen ever, just not the way it gets publicized as tho every woman is worth .77 per dollar that's simply untrue
@Medic135, Yeah, I think there’s a lot more at play, statistically, in those .77 claims. It’s definitely not across the board. And similarly, there’s a lot more going on with any amount of pay discrepancy, but there are still those who will actually rationalize that women DESERVE to get paid less, and really, it’s when those individuals are elected officials or employers is where the problem lies. Wherever that mentality is, that’s where change needs to occur.
@Berntley, agreed. If we're going across the board I've been paid more than alot of women with a lot more time in at the company. But that was due to stationing, rank, and the fact I once said if I don't receive the pay I write down I'll seek employment elsewhere, they decided they needed me to stay.
But the biggest difference maker was rank never gender, my supervisor was a very gay woman
@Berntley, If that's the case I think the women in your company should definitely try to talk with some lawyers, because there could be a discrimination lawsuit in there. There definitely seems to be some sort of discrimination going on if it's the way you say it is, but I'm no legal expert so I can't say for sure.
@CriTiKa1, I don’t disagree. I wouldn’t blame anyone if they did.
@big freedom, anecdote can be data with proof. It just needs to be published so it shows that 100% compliance does not exist. Where, as others say, it should be a lawsuit.
He almost had it right
PSA: this is a joke, not a dick. Stop taking it so hard.
@I Are Lebo, Wait, I'm confused. If I take d!ck hard, can I take the joke hard? Cause in both situations I'm kinda hard anyway.
@I Are Lebo, PSA - Saying "this is just a joke" doesn't make something funny.
@Doctor Krieger, I mean, maybe not to you, but a joke is a joke. Doesn't matter if you agree with the message it's sending or not. I don't agree with his message but I still found it humorous. Shouldn't take them seriously.
@Doctor Krieger, it is true, saying something is a joke doesn't make it funny, and saying it's a joke doesn't even make it a joke. But something not being funny to you specifically doesn't mean it is not a joke and just because someone finds a joke offensive does not make it not funny.
I mean I'm pretty sure it's not the individual jobs themselves that pay women less now, but rather that women were systematically excluded from being even considered for those positions for most of history, and that's only just begun to change so we've not quite caught up yet
@Luna 5, the data shows that they just don't pursue said jobs.
@Doctor Krieger, yeah, boys pushed towards things like engineering and girls towards things like nursing. I saw a parent smack a doll out of their small son's hand the other day because "It might turn him gay." There are so many things wrong with that I don't even know where to begin...
@Joseph V Stalin, largely, though, it's a natural propensity. Females, for example, are anatomically built to birth and care for children, so care-based professions tend to attract them. They also tend to be less profitable because they tend to involve less risk.
@Doctor Krieger, yeah it's definitely not because the only role models, examples they had of other women irl or in media were, for centuries, in those roles and excluded from others, often by law or rule of educational institutions (pilots, dr's, writers, for some time university degrees altogether, engineering - my university's engineering building didn't even have a women's restroom when they built it, to give you an idea, professors, etc.) I mean I'm pretty sure no man has a biological inclination towards particle physics or film production or something but people do it. Pretty sure men don't have a natural propensity to get into application software development but here we are
@Luna 5, this just in. Boys ARE different than girls. Not just physically but mentally and emotionally. They DO have different propensities and abilities.
My co worker gets paid $10.30 an hour I get paid $10. I make more because I put in more hours.
@NameyMcNameFace, ding ding ding, we have someone who understands the wage gap! Guess what you win:
A new label, you're now called sexist! Congratulations!
@Hot Coffee, yeah. I never win anything.