I would talk shît about trans people but everyone’s too sensitive
@Good Ol Days, translation: "I would talk shjt about trans people, bit everyone would call me an @sshole because I enjoy making fun of people for something they have no control over and which results on them being bullied, deprived of rights, and murdered. But really it's their fault for trying to get people to stop making fun of a historically mistreated minority."
@Depressed Panda, you literally proved the point they were trying to make, bravo *slow clap*
@Depressed Panda, good job proving his point, snowflake.
@ Seductive Cheeto, @Doctor Krieger, yes, haha, look how sensitive I am.
I'm just trying to point out that he said that instead of mocking trans people because he knows that if he actually did it, he'd be an @sshole.
Also, snowflake? I don't think I'm special. I just think this guy's an @ss.
@Depressed Panda, I used trans because it was the subject at hand. If the picture was about gay black Jewish nuns I would said the same thing. The fact is that people nowadays are too sensitive. Look back 10 to 20 years ago and people weren’t getting upset over small shît like my comment. Are you a snowflake? Yeah, pretty much. Learn that everyone makes jokes about everything. A good example is the holocaust which was a lot worse than whatever trans people endured or are enduring.
@Good Ol Days, I think he means that instead of making fun of someone for things they have no control over make fun of them for being i don’t know an @ss
@Good Ol Days, What's the holocaust???? Last time I checked, people that are growing up don't think it happened smh
@Good Ol Days, your name is awesome. Remember the GOOD old days... you know, when women couldn’t vote and it was legal for their husbands to beat them... when black people were lynched and couldn’t use the same water fountains... and children were severely maimed or were dying because of polio. Yes, the GOOD old days... I miss the iron lungs and doctors promoting how healthy a pack of Camels were *nostalgic tear of sarcasm*
@Good Ol Days, People weren't any different 10 years ago.
@Depressed Panda, "I would be a passive aggressive bjtch but I already am" - Depressed Panda
@SchroedingerPussPuss, you must be fun at parties
@Depressed Panda, I identify as a bottle of gatorade. Debate me
@Depressed Panda, transgenderism is a mental illness. The suicide rates compare to the Jews under Nazi German rule. Now we both know they are not treated anywhere near as bad as the Jews so they leaves one thing; mental illness.
One of my friends identifies as trans, pansexual, etc. He has tried to kill himself twice and has been to mental health facilities more than once.
It is a mental illness to be a biological sex and want to/strive to be another.
@SchroedingerPussPuss, the term old old days can have many meanings. And it’s based on perspective. Some people may truly want to revert back to Jim Crow, etc. But other would like to go back to when family values were more prevalent in the typical household.
Others would like to go back to the good old days when you could say something mildly offensive and not have to resign from your job because of it.
It’s all perspective.
The point of the post
@SchroedingerPussPuss, spousal assault was never really legal in the USA, it was just usually ignored by society unless it became a major problem. In addition, there’s plenty of records of women voting in the USA as early as the 1800s, it was simply solely women that were large land owners. The wealthy have always held more rights than the poor, regardless of gender.
It consistently manages to surprise me how quickly people forget history.
@Depressed Panda, Screw trans people, they just need more mirrors to find out the right sex they are, like they can't just look down and figure it out?
@Doctor Krieger, oh god, i agree on this one.
@Sucy, i get the point of his post. I just didn't expect that everyone here's definition of "sensitive" is "thinks mocking people makes you an @sshole"
@Depressed Panda, I'm with you. Some of these folks are trolling which is fine. Don't take it personally. I also get what they was saying with their original comment. It just can be taken different ways. I honestly try to stay away from these sorts of things. In my opinion as long as they aren't hurting anyone I say leave them be. If they start forcing people to do things for them, that's where I draw the line. It's one thing to ask for some things, another to demand. I think just wanting to hurt someone mentally or physically just because is a dick thing to do. And I think that if you disagree with someone and want to debate your point that's great. Just make sure they want to as well or it turns into you trying to shove your ideas down their throat.
@Depressed Panda, that’s not what ANYone is saying, and is the number one reason you are being called out.
You are not listening.
You and people like you, the social justice crowd, get very antagonistic toward people who are just making jokes, as well as extremely aggressive towards people that share opinions that you disagree with. What you are doing, intentional or not, is attempting to shut down discussion. Me and people like me, will not stand for that.
We don’t look down on what you are saying because you think mocking someone makes you an asshole. We look down on you for seeing a joke and feeling the need to bust everyone’s balls for it.
When we talk about how sensitive you and other SJWs are, it’s because you’re so goddamn sensitive that everything seems to upset you. And when you get upset that easily, your upset ceases to matter.
@I Are Lebo, I can agree with a lot of your points but I feel like this has been blown a bit out of proportion. Could panda have used less intense language to get their point across? Yes. But it come down to the fact that they felt it was wrong and wanted to share their opinion on it. That's what's great about this community. A ton of different opinions and views coming to discuss things. It just annoys me when people start crapping all over people just because they do have a different perspective. If you have an opinion that differs just state it, make good arguments to make yourself sound smart, and move on.
@jasontype40, but that’s my point. The OP was someone referring to the very real fact that ANY negative comments about trans people get attacked as if it was bigotry. With the SJW and feminist communities (who are not alone in this, they are simply good examples), there’s no sense of nuance. Nobody seems to understand context anymore. To say that trans people, or women, or blacks, or any other demographic should be exempt from criticism, jokes, or even outright abuse, not from virtue of being human but by virtue of being a member of a ‘marginalized group’, you give the message, whether intentional or not, that people outside of these groups are not deserving of the same consideration. This leads to many real world problems, and I’ll give you a few examples.
On a number of college campuses, there are groups of students that form into black only societies which white peoples are not allowed to join. These groups, like the ones at Harvard, have zero compunctions against hurling racist
@I Are Lebo, I'd agree. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. I think it applies to all people. Not just these groups. I just think that if you say something dickish about anyone you shouldn't be shocked when there's backlash. Minority or not
slurs at whites people, and none of them care about the blatant double standards, because they get violent if someone throws one back, and if there was a white only social group on campus, they’d get them shut down.
Caitlyn Jenner killed someone in a reckless driving incident, and after the Vanity Fair magazine came out, a number of people were labeling anyone that spoke out against Caitlyn as a bigot. The same went for anyone who disagreed with the narrative of calling her a Hero.
One more example.
Addyi is a drug STILL being pushed by feminist groups as a female aphrodisiac. A ‘pink viagra’. It was railroaded through the FDA under threats of accusation of sexism if it wasn’t. It’s marketing campaigns are surrounded by feminist cries of “we deserve to enjoy sex too” and “you’re sexist if you don’t support this!” This is in spite of the fact that Addyi does nothing. It was mostly tested on men, and the few women who tested it saw no improvement in their sex lives.
On top of this, Addyi causes blackouts and memory loss when combined with alcohol, making it a very effective date rape drug. It is obvious that the feminist groups that have been backing this either do not know this or do not believe it.
I am not going to provide any evidence because it is too much of a pain in the ass to copy links that no one is going to write down, and anything short of that is just easy to lie about. So I say, simply google search “Addyi causes blackouts”, “Caitlyn Jenner is not a hero”, and “Harvard black society riots” and see for yourself how harmful these ideologies are. These ideologies start from “these people are marginalized and should not be mocked, criticized, or joked about”.
“If you want to know who your superiors are, first learn who you can’t criticize.”
When you put black people or trans people or women above reproach, you invite people like Anita Sarkeesian, Milo Yanopolis, and that cunt behind the All White People Are Racist video to be bigots,
all the while confident that their status as black, female, or trans makes them above reproach.
You open the doors to people like Anita Sarkeesian outright telling women that to decide for themselves is a bad thing and they should put feminism above their own interests, and the crowd cheers them on, many of whom because they think they have to.
This is a society that is getting more sensitive by the day, and I find it weak and pathetic. When no one can make a joke because “it offends me!” and people regularly lose their careers over what is essentially NOTHING!
Do yourself a favour and look up how many deans have had to step down from their universities because of non-issues that they’d had nothing to do with, like the case of Berkeley and an accused racial incident (with no evidence or police report ever filed) that happened OFF CAMPUS to a member of one of those Black only campus societies.
So yes, I speak up, and rather harshly. Because kowtowing to peoples feelings doesn’t help
Sorry for the rant.
@I Are Lebo, damn that's a lot of reading. Are the comments always this crazy on FP? I feel like this entire convo could have summed up with "dude it's just a joke and there's no boundaries for jokes" perhaps?
@Kayda, I’m passionate 🧐
@I Are Lebo, amen NlGGA amen
@SchroedingerPussPuss, for some reason I never got notifications for this post but name isn’t about the good old days of America, I’m not even from the states. It’s about he good ol days of this app. The times when the top picture was the Cookie Monster a bunch of fruit, the app was blue, there were unregistereds in the comments, and Jamal was at the store. I had a short lived series in the comments where I talked about old commenters such as MACWE Bruce Wayne and The Riddler.
The victim complex is strong with that one.
It's hard being a guy. Really really hard, especially in the morning
@Abusive Breasts, or like randomly throughout the day and your like “why would you do this now in front of everyone”
@Abusive Breasts, as a lumberjack, I too find my wood especially hard in the morning. That dew sure makes those trees stand tall!
@Abusive Breasts, OR it could be adventurous! I had a fight with an erection this morning. Needless to say, I beat it single-handedly.
@Empshok, you had me at dew you plaid wearing ax man.
It would be her fault, if she had a choice in the matter. People don't choose to be transgender. That's how they are and they've got to deal with it.
Besides, trans people get enough sh¡t, you don't need to mock them too.
@Depressed Panda, nobody is immune to criticism or being the brunt of a joke. Hatred is one thing, but the community is way too sensitive about some topics, trans people among them.
Y'all take everything way too personally.
@I Are Lebo, nobody is immune to being joked about, but it's commonly held that you shouldn't "punch down" and mock people who are historically less well off than you.
Also, trans people are mocked seemingly every time they're mentioned and that can be psychologically harmful for people who are trans.
Finally, it seemed implied by the "y'all", but I'm not trans.
@Depressed Panda, technically, I am. I say technically because I have not and likely never will transition. But that's besides the point right now.
I take exception to the idea of punching 'up' or 'down', because it implies a very clear statement about an objective evaluation of my life and my status in society that isn't going to be able to be accurate without getting information that would require a major breach of my privacy.
How do you tell anyone what is and is not beneath them? In addition, labelling trans people as a lowered, for lack of a better word, privileged group flies in the face of the fact that trans people literally have never had it better.
Trans issues are so prominent in the media, and while trans people still face a shït ton of challenges, they can be open about it like never before, because anyone being an open bigot to trans people will get roasted by the media.
As a society we are basically bending over backwards for trans people right now, and while I don't
see that as a bad thing, there are limits.
Stating that it's bigotry to make a joke involving trans stereotypes or even at the expense of a specific trans person is wrong. Context and intent matter, and unless it was simply veiled hatred, it's up to us all as adults to let it go if we don't find it funny.
The oversensitivity is a bad thing, not just about trans people, but about all of these groups with victim mentalities. If someone offends you, either via their words or their attitudes or even just their personalities, don't associate with them. Nobody has the right to tell other people what they can and can not feel or think, nor which opinions they are allowed to hold.
@Depressed Panda, as for "y'all", it was slang for people, not slang for you specifically. I'm not about to assume details of your personal life.
I was referring to you as a member of a community that has a tendency to be very sensitive, even on issues that do not directly affect them. And I am criticizing that tendency.
Just to clear it up a bit.
@I Are Lebo, all right. I get what you mean. I just feel like people should mock others less. And I prefer to communicate that opinion, but I get why you choose not to.
@Depressed Panda, the whole idea that you can never punch down/reverse racism can't exist that's come about recently is really quite a bizarre phenomenon.
An interesting quote for you to consider, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." —François-Marie Arouet. (Voltaire)
@Depressed Panda, I'll mock whoever I want. Offense is taken, not given.
Also, is it not demeaning to insist that we cannot be critical of a group? It suggests that you think that group is inherently incapable of managing their own emotions. It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.
@Doctor Krieger, well put
@PB2, I feel like he probably meant that more like "if you disagree with the king, you'll get executed" rather than "if you make fun of trans people, people will call you an @ss"
1) You're free to mock people, I'm free to complain about it.
2) being critical=/=mocking
3) I don't doubt that trans people can deal with mockery. I just think they shouldn't have to deal with as much of it.
@PB2, nice play with the Voltaire! I normally just rely on the "I may not agree with what you have to say but I will defend till death your right to say it." But seriously, well played.
@Depressed Panda, regarding the Voltaire quote (and seriously, you're having plenty to talk about with others on everything else so really, just Voltaire) I think he meant exactly what he said. He may have been referring to the king at the time but he was a smart guy. If he wanted to limit it to the king he would have said as much.
@PB2, I’m confused by something you said. What do you mean by reverse racism? Because reverse racism is not a real thing. It is not ‘reverse racism’ to be bigoted towards white people, that’s just racism.
@Depressed Panda, your first and second points are accurate but your third point is basically stating that trans people deserve additional consideration or privileges than others, and I do not subscribe to this victim mentality.
@I Are Lebo, when I say "I think [trans people] shouldn't have to deal with as much [mockery]" I don't mean to imply that others shouldn't. Transgender people are just the topic of this comment chain, so I referred to that group instead of "everyone".
@Depressed Panda, I get that, but when calling out a specific group in a “they have enough to deal with, just leave them alone” kind of way, the implication is very strong that they are being elevated above everyone else.
@I Are Lebo, Aye, you are entirely correct, and I agree the wording was muddied. I used that language because I figured based upon the fact that the system of logic Depressed Panda seemed to be operating under distinguishes racism as directional based on systemic forms of power and opportunity. I heavily disagree with such a conception of racism for exactly the reason you brought up. I did, however, feel that pointing out this distinction would have lessened the impetus of what I actually wanted to say, and borrowed that term for easy of communication.
@PB2, fair enough. It bothers me when people try to alter the definitions of words to further their own agenda. The entire purpose of changing the definition of racism to the definition of ‘institutionalized racism’ is to make certain kinds of racism acceptable.
The idea that it’s okay to be racist to white people or sexist to men because of past people is ridiculous. The idea that I deserve less consideration because I share a trait with some other assholes is unacceptable. I don’t like double standards.
@I Are Lebo, Eh, you have to realize it for what it is, ideology. Its not much different from any other form of ideology— an inherently flawed worldview manufactured by those in control of a population subset, specifically oriented towards the goals and benefits of the ruling class of that group.
Yeah it's bullsh*t, but in the same way that religion is, and western/hollywood ideals/morals/etc also are. But y'know, the people who believe such things can't see beyond the confines of the ideology, that's kinda their purpose in the first place. Bringing it up tends to end in conversations of two people talking past each other as a result.
@Depressed Panda, they absolutely choose. And the fact they want everyone else to sponsor that delusion with alternative language is intolerable.