Let me guess, he DINDU NUFFIN?
@tumblretard, fortunately Karma doesn't speak getto
@tumblretard, i thought you spelled Dunder Mifflin at first, got the office on ma mind
Honestly I hope Ben becomes a lot bigger than he is. He's truly a very fair dude. He's definitely leans a bit right but he has legit facts for everything and most of his arguments aren't opinions. The left and right can learn a lot from him.
@TheSecretSavage, A legit presidential candidate, and he would make a fool of just about everyone he debated.
@TheSecretSavage, yeah, I don’t agree with some stuff he’s okay with but I’d vote for him no problem if he ran for office
@TheSecretSavage, I dunno. I’ve seen some a some of his stuff and he kinda just sounds smart while saying bullshjt. For example, in a lecture he was giving about transgender people, he stated that the psychological term for being transgender is gender dysmorphia, which isn’t at all true. It’s only gender dysmorphia if it causes extreme amounts of psychological unrest with side effects including anxiety, weight loss, etc. And the thing that concerns me is that a lot of his points weren’t “politically incorrect”, they were just flat out incorrect. But he was in a room full of people willing to believe him, so the one person who was speaking against him barely got any time to speak. I’m not saying he isn’t smart, but it does worry me when someone who’s well spoken is viewed as always factual and fair despite using false or skewed data.
@Mega Manticore , I think his views just hurt your feelings
@Medic135, Of course. What do I know? I've only studied psychology for five years so I probably am just talking out my ass.
@Mega Manticore , I'm glad you see it for what it is now
@Medic135, Umm, thank you (?)
@TheSecretSavage, He's assuming guilt based on allegation. Not exactly fair.
@Mega Manticore , Makes sense that you're getting downvoted for criticizing Shapiro in this community, but you're 100% correct. Look up "Ben Shapiro EDUCATES student on Climate Change" on YouTube, and that pretty much summarizes how he can make a bunch of BS sound logical and factual to people who already agree with him.
Definitely a biased article, but I think it does a great job at actually breaking down many of Shapiro's arguments, which is nearly impossible to do in real-time
@Medic135, c'mon man. You know that statement isn't true haha. We just talked about it. I linked you all that stuff
@Blue Shirted Guy, I thought we agreed we were an unstoppable Force and an immovable object?
@Medic135, ya we did haha, but that was about whether or not all transgenders have a mental illness. Even if you believe they do, you have to disagree that the *psychological term* for being transgender is gender dysphoria. That's just not true regardless of your stance
@Blue Shirted Guy, it does if those people experience significant psychological distress, which I would say thinking you're a different gender is in and of itself a psychological distress. But if that's not enough, we could look into the rampant suicide/self harm/ irrational behavior rate among trans people. I get you want to be accepting, and I don't think that's wrong, but what I want to argue is that at what point acceptance becomes enablement
@Blue Shirted Guy, alas we have had this conversation, as you stated, and I'm too ill to have it again so you take your opinions and have a wonderful damn afternoon with them you well meaning friendly sob
@Medic135, well now we're back to our old conversation! The American Psychological Association, The American Psychiatric Association, etc all say that gender nonconformity does NOT constitute a mental disorder, which can only be diagnosed if one is experiencing significant distress. But that wasn't the argument I was trying to get back into haha.
Gender dysphoria and gender nonconformity, in the world of psychiatry, are not the same thing. That's just a fact. Now, you and Shapiro can disagree with that, but if you say that gender dysphoria is the psychological term for being transgender, that's false. You can argue that it should be, but it's not, regardless of what we think.
@Blue Shirted Guy, you are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct
@Medic135, being technically correct in the comment section of a funny pics app is what I live for
@Mega Manticore ,
Yeah, out of all his lectures that one rubbed me the wrong way. It felt less composed than his usual lectures. Also, i may sound like a big pussy to some of you, but I think the feelings of others do matter, and maybe we should just let folks be themselves and not disrupt their lives. Dude is a lady, lady is a dude. No need to be rude.
Other than that, Shapiro is a very sharp mind and he knows what he wants to be, which I value a lot in today's political world, where people are constantly changing to better their public perspective.
@Blue Shirted Guy, No that is a very biased article. I went through and read it and also read the sources, not only were most of those sources pulling from inconclusive evidence, some where just blatantly biased. For example the mass incarceration statistics, the study itself said it did not take into account past violent history, just about a big thing a judge would look forward in a criminals past. Ben isn't always right, and he is honest enough to admit it, as he does on his podcast regularly, but that article was just someone wanting all of Ben's points to be wrong. Not the best thing when you are trying to prove he's wrong.
@Punny lad, I think his point is your feelings shouldn't be the thing that justifies your actions. If something is a fact, it supersedes how you feel about it.
@Mega Manticore , I think that is a very unfair statement. You criticize him for making a mistake, he could of easily fumbled that term, but what he was specifically talking about seemed logical. You also then state everything else he was talking about was wrong yet you bring no examples. I'm not nocking you down, and I'm not saying your reasoning has no basis, for sure Ben has said things that turned out to not be true for sure, and if you listen to his podcast he always corrects his statements. But I do think it is a little intellectually dishonest to correct one statement and then jump to other statements being false without actually citing more examples of "false and skewed data". Especially when using the wrong term isn't using false and skewed data. Also I don't think it's fair of you to bring out the fact that you studied psychology for 5 years, just because you did doesn't necessarily mean you will always be right.
@Autismo, I noted that the article is very biased, but that doesn't mean that some of his breakdowns of Ben's arguments weren't spot on. He was definitely stretching it at times though to actively try to prove Ben wrong, I completely agree with you.
Did you look up the climate change video I mentioned?
I'm not trying to prove Ben as being wrong about everything. That's not where I'm coming from. Like Mega Manticore stated, I think it's important to show all these examples when people take his word as gospel and say he should run for President.
@Autismo, But the issue comes in when people take his word as gospel. Which many do. When you're doing a lecture that's supposed to be informative, your information can't be incorrect if it's the crux of your argument. And I specifically stated that him saying that being transgender is the same as being gender dysmorphic is incorrect. And he defended this erroneous statement during the lecture when it was brought up. The issue is that this one simple statement can have big implications, effectively saying that all people who are transgender are mentally disorder ed, when a quick look in the DSM-5, which contains the most up to date information on mental disorders clearly states otherwise. And when you have a following as large as Shapiro's and present something untrue about a group of people as fact, that is a problem. It's not just conservatives who do this. The Huffington Post has a history of publishing factually questionable articles.
@Mega Manticore , Which video are you specifically talking about, I was looking for videos where he talks about Transgenderism and uses the term gender dysphoria, is that not the correct term for someone who is transgender?
@Blue Shirted Guy, No I think he should absolutely be president, as we have seen with many politicians, he is far more consistent and honest than all of them. He is also in favor for taking more power away from the executive branch, which is something I completely support, no one man should have all that power. Also as for the video, I don't see where exactly he was completely wrong, the carbon taxes that the left proposed isn't good at all, and as you can see at the end of the video, he said he would have to see the students proposal, to make up his own mind if it would actually work. He didn't down right choose a position. Anyways, no one should take his words as gospel, they shouldn't take anyone's words as gospel, that a them problem not a him problem, as he routinely says he's not always right. But really, what was blatantly wrong about what he said in the video?
@Autismo, Nope. Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder where one's sparring gender and biological differences cause extreme discomfort, anxiety, etc. An example being if someone believes they are transgender despite not wanting to. An odd case but it happens. These people usually need mental therapy as transition surgery isn't what they want. It's a very serious condition that can make people develop other mental disorders and suicidal tendencies, which is where his much touted 40% suicide rate stems from. It occurs among about 0.6% of transgender people last I checked (but I'm not 100% on that, so don't quote me). As for the video, I saw it on Facebook as "This Man Completely DESTROYS the Transgender Argument!!!" Or something like that. Apparently Ben Shapiro only does things in upper case.
@Mega Manticore , Respectfully, I can tell that you are watching his videos as a fan, and not an objective thinker. You want him to be correct just as much as the writer of that article wanted him to be incorrect.
Shapiro went on a 4 minute rant that didn't answer the guy's question, which was about the Right coming up with its own solution to combating climate change through promoting a revenue-neutral carbon tax. Shapiro's response was "here is why the Left's solutions are bad," and then when the student said "um, ya I know, *repeats question*" then Shapiro shut off and asked to see a proposal. He had no idea what a revenue-neutral carbon tax is.
"The kind of solutions that the left is suggesting are necessary to curb what *they think* is coming are so dramatic that it would *drastically lower the standard of living* in order to combat an ill *that may or may not happen,* and even if it does happen, *may be easier to deal with 100 years from now.*
@Autismo, this is NOT an intelligent approach to climate change whatsoever. Deal with it in 100 years? Also, his entire stance on building a bunch of nuclear power plants as some quick-fix to climate change makes it apparent that he has no clue what he's talking about
@Mega Manticore , in a different video, he says there is no evidence to support that climate change will drastically shape our world.
Even better, "once there is a plausible solution that the Left actually wants to propose, we can talk about costs and benefits of it." This is not the stance of an intellectual. Instead of proposing or discussing solutions, all he's doing is playing devil's advocate.
"What is the imminent threat to human life? The idea that the gradual rise of sea levels is going to kill millions of people is fantasy. You think people won't just sell their homes and move? It's not like it's all gonna happen at once. It's going to hit people with beachfront properties. In Indiana it'll be pretty safe." I mean c'mon, you have to admit he's an absolute fool when it comes to climate change, and he won't admit in a million years that he's wrong about any of it
@Blue Shirted Guy, I wish I had the time to argue with you right now. The only thing I will suggest you list to his podcast, he does a segment where he corrects things he said wrong.
@Autismo, well feel free to come back later haha. If you remember anything from his podcast about climate change that corrects any/all these statements, I'd definitely love to hear what he had to say
@Mega Manticore , No I listened to that, he definitely says gender dysphoria, unless we are listening to two different videos. Also considering he's libertarian on Trans rights, wouldn't you guys have the same position? I for one didn't know about trans people not having gender dysphoria, but I looked at the study done by the UCLA on trans Suicide, I didn't see where they said they only looked at people with only gender dysphoria. I'm probably looking at the wrong study, what study are you specifically talking about.
@Blue Shirted Guy, here's the thing. He won't come up with some brilliant solution because he went to law school. He's not someone who studied green energy. He literally said "when you figure out a really good way to do it, let's do it. Right now it's not good enough." And that's ignorant?
@Fun Facts 101, first, I'm confused as to how you can say he's not someone who studied green energy, and then think it's logical for him to say "right now it's not good enough." Perfectly fair to say he shouldn't give input because he's not an expert, but then you need to be consistent with that and say he shouldn't give input into any field of study that isn't law. We both know that's not Shapiro.
Regardless, I'm not criticizing him for not coming up with a solution. I'm saying he shouldn't just shoot down solutions without discussing other methods, unlike the student. If you are aware of the issue enough to shoot down solutions, you better be able to at least discuss alternatives.
And finally to my overall point haha, you need to apply context to his statements. Shapiro does not believe climate change to be a significant issue. He will oppose any solution posed by the Left as not being good enough, because the Left thinks climate change is a pressing issue, unlike him.
@Fun Facts 101, just out of curiosity, did you read all of my comments? I think I made it clear that I'm not calling him ignorant because he's not posing a solution to climate change. Saying things like "let's wait 100 years" and "we'd just sell our beachfront properties" is incredibly ignorant haha
@Blue Shirted Guy, well he's correct though. The alternatives to carbon based energy's just isn't good enough right now. Ben is completely open to it when there is a better (and affordable) method, then it will be worth dumping money into. It doesn't take a degree to look at and understand statistics, or to look at what current technology is capable of. He didn't discuss other methods because his answer was "when they figure it out, let's do it."
And honestly, "climate change" is not a significant issue. It's certainly a thing we should keep an eye on, and renewable energy is certainly great, but it's not something that will need immediate attention even if we continued our current emissions for the next 250 years. (By then we'll have cars that run on much more efficient and renewable)
@Fun Facts 101, we're certainly not going to have a productive discussion about Shapiro if you don't think climate change is a significant issue.
Again, that answer is inherently fine, but BS when you apply context. Shapiro will NEVER say that the Left is posing a good solution, because any solution will be based around the belief that climate change is a significant threat that will take drastic measures to combat, which he does not believe.
When a conservative student asked him about a plan to combat climate change that conservatives could support, Ben went into an anti-Left rant. He didn't discuss other methods because he doesn't think it's an issue that needs a solution right now, not because the current solutions aren't good enough.
@Fun Facts 101, do you think we should wait 100 years for our technology to improve before worrying about climate change?
@Blue Shirted Guy, that's mostly because, well.. It doesn't need a solution right now. If you watch more than the 30 second "ben Shapiro wrecks" videos and see his podcasts, he isn't biased towards much. In fact, the only thing he is very biased against is anything anti semetic, and trump.
@Blue Shirted Guy, I think we should wait until the technology is well developed. If that takes 100 years for them to make it, then that's how it is. You can't destroy an economy because of emission standards that aren't very important. If they develop a bio source of fuel that is cheap and renewable and wonderful, then yes I think we should make the switch immediately.
@Fun Facts 101, there are pretty lengthy speeches of his floating around that I've watched. I'm surprised you included Trump as someone he's very biased against. I'd actually say if there's any topic that I see Shapiro going back and forth on, it's Trump
@Blue Shirted Guy, Ben thinks trump is brilliant at rallying the public and baiting the left into making his point. But he mostly thinks that trump sputters off without thinking and causes more trouble for the right than he should
@Fun Facts 101, that seems like a pretty accurate analysis haha
@TheSecretSavage, he’s kinda full of shjt though he sounds smart and has a few good ideas but he’s not a good candidate for being president just better than the shjt we have right now which I’ll remind you is a product of the right. We shouldn’t settle for just better than what we have now.
@Mega Manticore , my only question is if you've been studying psychology that long, how can you not say it's a mental illness? They truly thing they are something they are 100% not. No matter how much I can think I'm a female, my DNA says other wise. And no. The very very small percentage of true hermafradites? (Sorry) don't count because they actually are both so they get to decide. Instead of accepting and says it's ok, we need to get them legit help because something in their head isn't right.
@TheSecretSavage, To briefly answer your question, because I know what I’m talking about and that the information I’m using is easily accessible and confirmed. Like I said, it’s all in the DSM 5 and those entries are just a search away.
@Mega Manticore , that doesn't really answer my question. You can really tell me a group of people with a suicide rate of 48% are mentally stable? No way in hell
Click on "is being transgender a mental disorder?"
Then you can look up the info in the DSM 5.
@TheSecretSavage, I also recommend looking up the actual suicide rate from a reputable source, as it's often inflated.
@Mega Manticore , I think doing surgery to change a body part is more significant than “unrest and weight loss” so Ben Shapiro would still be correct by your definition.
@Child Slapper, The difference is that the surgery is by choice. And again, he said that gender dysmorphia is the same thing as being transgender, which is blatantly false. Gender dysphoria (interchangeable with dysmorphia) is a disorder that occurs amongst transgendered individuals. Simply being transgender is not a disorder. You are correct in saying that a surgery would be more severe than those two side effects. A more proper and accurate description of GD's side effects are depression, suicidal thoughts, paranoia, and it opens the door to a host of new mental illnesses. These people DO need therapy. But it's important not to judge a whole group based on a subset.
@Mega Manticore , he says himself that he wants them to get therapy, same as you. He just doesn’t think it’s fair that you have to follow their pronouns when they can change it whenever. He often says: do what you want, but don’t tell me how to live my life.
@Child Slapper, And here is where it gets complicated. Thanks largely to certain social media sites *cough*Tumblr*cough* there are several people who believe they are transgender when in fact they are not. Oftentimes they are struggling with their sexuality and their online environment encourages them to be cool and not conform like literally everyone else is doing. And this is an issue, as those annoying Tumblr SJWs that people complain about actually distract people from the heart of actually serious issues. People who are actually transgender aren’t going through a phase, it’s literally chemicals in their brain that are different. And I do agree that people who get upset when you don’t use their proper pronouns and foxkin name and whatever else are irritating, but all the actual transgenders I’ve met aren’t uptight assholes about it. But if someone says that they identify as a guy, it IS kinda a dick move to not use he/him just because “Haha, fūck you.” So yeah.
@Mega Manticore , I agree with everything you said about the extremists ruining perception, but I don’t agree that I should call someone a he because they identify as a guy. If you have breasts and the genetics of a woman, you are a she, and your opinion can’t change that. I love dressing up as a female; it’s something I’ve done for years; it excites me. At that point, whatever pronoun they use no longer matters.
@Child Slapper, And plus, reconstructive surgery alters those hormones. And even if you disagree that a person is their pronouns, refusing to use them, at least to their faces, is kinda bitchy. You don’t have to agree with it, but you don’t need to counsel them as they definitely aren’t going to listen to you. Besides, at the end of the day does it really matter?
@Mega Manticore , I don’t need to council them at all. It is not bitchy for me to use the correct pronoun. They can call themselves what they want, but it is ridiculous for them to expect me to use it, too. It is bitchy for anyone to complain when I use the correct pronoun.
“Do and say what you want, just don’t force me to conform to your skewed version of society”
@Child Slapper, You must be really fun at parties.
@Mega Manticore , oh, to be honest, I’m only this way with my direct family, wife, and close friends.
When I’m in the public scene, it’s a different ballgame. I have a great career in customer service because I know what to say to people. Even if on the inside I’m gagging.... lol.
But no I love to party and I’d never say anything close to what I just said at one 😅 #trannylife!
He flinched when he should have scurried.
@Permanentlyhandsome, Are you being satirical?
@Permanentlyhandsome, I mean, you're welcome to join him
@Permanentlyhandsome, yeah isnt it great being a respectable citizen not having done any of those things?
@Weird Porn Stash, I'm glad someone gets me
Shapiro is the man.
As Judge Dredd told us, "Suicide... is not illegal!"
What did I just say
Just about sums it up.