Maybe if DC stopped fvcking everything up, then this wouldn't be the case with most people.
@Weird Porn Stash, truth! Now WB has let go the guy in charge of the the film franchise, expect soft reboots and they are already recasting batman because affleck wants out.
@Weird Porn Stash, if the writers, producers, directors read a comic or hell watched the animated series, Justice League, Superman, Batman ect..., they would understand the characters. From my understand Affleck is a Batman fan but WB kept changing his direction so he's quitting and no longer going to be apart of the solo Batman movie. It's like Snyder only read The Dark Knight Returns. You should never base your first Batman off of Miller's. That's more for those who already know what he's been though. Superman is supposed to be this all around great guy. Batman can be funny but only randomly only like 1 or 2 times a story if that and it has to be just out in left field funny. Aquaman is supposed to be more of a King Arthur type. Cyborg should be more like Flash's best bro. They did get Flash very close to right. Wonder Woman works too.
@that crazy Marine, the problem that you are missing is one that the majority of comic fans miss. The proper judgement of whether or not a movie adaptation is good is not how true to the source material it is. It is how well the story flows and whether it follows the rules of drama.
The Justice League movie wasn’t mediocre because it didn’t follow the comics well, it was mediocre because the writing and directing were sub par.
If you want any chance for a superhero movie to succeed, you must look at it as a movie first and a superhero story second.
@I Are Lebo, Preach! Form follows function
@Banetersaurus Rex, it took me getting into the film industry to actually see it that way. I’m a big fan of the lord of the rings, and when TFotR first came out, I was one of the nitpickers labeling everything different from the book. Now I know better. I loved the Hobbit movies because I understood what they were and why they made such a short story into three movies.
The Hobbit was an experiment by Peter Jackson to see how much story they could make up in the Middle Earth setting and have the movies still succeed. The next movie set in Middle Earth (and there absolutely is going to be more) won’t be based on any of the works of J.R.R. Tolkien at all (or will just be inspired by).
Mark my words.
@I Are Lebo, be careful, you’re kinda veering into “people are stupid and don’t know what they like” territory. That doesn’t hold up well with adaptations.
@I Are Lebo, Absolutely! Every medium has its own qualities that make it unique and adaptations as a result have to literally "adapt" to the features unique to the respective medium. There are things you can do with film you can't express in a novel or comic, so of course changes are going to be made in story, style, character and audience due to artistic vision, financial motivations, technological advancements, culture of the time amongst a ton of other factors.
@I Are Lebo, in this case the DCAU gets it right by how they play off each other. Each was modified from the comics a bit to work well as a team. Yet they still remained who they were. These movies do eat really seem to grasp who the characters are in the first place.
@Ewok612, every single comic or book adaptation with a director that concerned himself wholly with his fans ended up doing poorly. Granted, it’s a minority. Most adaptations are directed by someone who doesn’t give a shït about the source material OR about making a great movie, and that’s why they’re garbage.
There needs to be a middle ground.
Life of Pi, Fight Club, The Avengers, Sin City, there’s a good amount of decent adaptations out there.
@that crazy Marine, I agree completely. Justice League: War told the same story as TJL movie, and in my opinion did a much better job.
@that crazy Marine, the DC movies do it right or you mean the mcu?
@megamanx181x, DCAU not DCEU. The MCU does their characters justice.
@that crazy Marine, ok cause I was confused that your statement was the DC characters are actually good.
@megamanx181x, They are when done properly. Ben Affleck would be an amazing Batman if given the proper script and story.
@that crazy Marine, I disagree with you on that. I don’t find Affleck to be a particularly good actor, and while it doesn’t require a method actor to play Batman, I simply don’t buy his Bruce Wayne at all, and his Batman moves like a tank. Batman’s supposed to be like a ninja, for crying out loud.
@I Are Lebo, it depends on what age he's at. Later in life as he loses speed he tends to focus on more powerful style fighting up until he resorted to having to use a gun. Then comes Terry.
@that crazy Marine, why the fück would they introduce a Batman nearing the end of his career to launch the Justice League by?
That still makes him a shïtty Batman. it just makes him a canonically shïtty Batman whose performance has suffered without the audience ever seeing him at his prime.
Even his appearance in Suicide Squad was unimpressive. He reminds me of the alternate universe Batman in Flashpoint Paradox. Only less cool.
@I Are Lebo, He's based off of TDKR. Still a badass and very jaded. Like I said earlier they went with the wrong story line when there's so many others to go off of. There's so much that leads up to the two best friends fighting. A lot was due to the government calling for it. Would have been a nice ending to the DCEU arc. Horrible beginning. No way Bats would resort to that straight off and never to actually kill Sups.
@that crazy Marine, the problem is Batman’s motivations in Batman V Superman are literally insane. “If there’s any chance he could go bad, we have to act on it”. What? That could be used as justification to murder LITERALLY anyone!
And for him to go, within five minutes of screen time, from “I’m going to execute you in cold blood with a spear” to “I’m a friend of your son’s” because Superman for some bizarre reason refers to his own mother by her name instead of “my mom”, and their mothers just so happen to share a first name.
“WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!” is one of the dumbest moments in modern major filmmaking.
The movies were poorly written, poorly directed, and poorly edited. The source material they chose is a fairly small part of why the movie sucked.
@I Are Lebo, the source is great the bad is trying to adapt it to being a first interaction vs decades of fighting alongside each other. Both of their motivations are wrong. Superman makes no real choices, everything is decided by someone else. Bats is way out of character in both movies. They went with two extremes on him. Just a cluster F. A B/S Worlds Finest type story first then JLAS episode 1-3 based movies would have worked so much better. Dark enough but still light hearted and funny at times. Also why is Lois Lane so in love with Clark Kent so damn fast. Not the way it's supposed to be.
@that crazy Marine, it all comes back to the original point. In order to make a good Batman movie, you have to be trying to make a good movie that had Batman in it.
As opposed to what they did, which was try desperately to keep up with Marvel without doing any of the legwork.
It has to be a good movie first, and a superhero movie second.
@I Are Lebo, where they really failed was that they had great material to go off of but tried to go straight for all the epic stories at once regardless if any of it worked. You're right but that what pisses me off being a DC fan, also a Marvel fan but more for DC. I saw a movie and other than costumes and powers didn't recognize 2 of DC's big 3. Such a sad day for fanboys.
@that crazy Marine, I don’t think you’re getting my point. The source material is almost entirely irrelevant. The places that the director got inspiration from don’t really matter, what matters is that the story they put together and sold to the world was one with uninteresting, unrelatable characters whose motivations did not make logical sense, acting in ways that should not have yielded the results that they do. In addition, the plots themselves were uninteresting, presenting no new ideas or interesting perspectives.
I liked the action scenes in Man of Steel, and there were some fights in BVS, WW, and TJL that were enjoyable. But the character interactions were melodramatic and cliched, the villains were all caricatures instead of actual characters, and there wasn’t a single story twist that wasn’t transparently obvious.
With the directing, writing, and editing these movies have had, the source material they chose never mattered, it would have always been this bad.
@I Are Lebo, I definitely get what you're saying it's just for me I feel they tried to go EPIC with every aspect of the story to gain more attention than the MCU vs trying to make a movie for the love of the characters. Like I didn't like Thor Ragnarok. They tried to hard to make everyone funny with one liners for no reason.
I liked Justice leag-*gets web tied up*
@buzz killinton, im the opposite of this gif. so many marvel things, ive stopped buying tickets or even watching them back when doctor stranger came out
@Z0IDBERG, I like DC better as well. That being said, I saw Thor Ragnorak the other day and it was gold
@buzz killinton, nice. Yeah its not that i think marvel is evul bad or w/e the dc vs marvel rivalry is. I simply didn't grow up watching marvel cartoons or comics. It was all DC heroes in my childhood. Didnt learn of marvel heroes beyond spiderman and a few others until that first hulk movie came out. The old one that had a sequel with that abomination dude in it.
Let’s face it. Wonder Woman was a fluke. One movie that got lucky and turned out well.
@Scott Sterling, I don’t even think WW was that good. The villain was idiotic, and almost everything it did well, Captain America: the First Avenger did better. The only difference is the gender of the protagonist.
Hell, both movies end with a charismatic soldier named Steve played by a handsome actor named Chris piloting an enemy plane filled with explosives away from civilians and self sacrificing to save lives.
And Cap beat Wonder Woman to the punch by years.
@I Are Lebo, Be that as it may, WW is the only truly good film to come out of DC’s cinematic universe.
@Scott Sterling, why exactly are we discounting Batman Begins and The Dark Knight?
@I Are Lebo, Those aren’t part of the cinematic universe. The DCCU is every movie from Man of Steel onwards.
@Scott Sterling, why? Continuity? I mean, neither Superman nor Batman have changed developers, they’ve always been WB. It doesn’t really make sense to me why we’d discount one of the greatest superhero movies ever made just because the character got rebooted two movies later.
I mean, I get the temptation to lump them together by developer, Marvel’s ‘cinematic universe’ can be made to start with Iron Man, but that doesn’t mean the X Men movies or the five Spider-Man movies that came out before Homecoming didn’t happen. They’re still Marvel, they’re just not Disney’s Marvel.
But Marvel’s continued continuity is the result of years of planning and character acquisition by Disney, along with a lot of highly skilled actors signing on to extended contracts.
DC’s attempts at continuity have been rushed and sloppy, clearly focused more on profit and trying to keep Marvel from cornering the market.
If we look at DC from Man of Steel on, there’s only four movies, two of which were
mediocre, and one of which was absolute garbage. Conversely, Marvel’s combined universe has seventeen movies in it, 14 of which are great or good movies (Iron man 2, Thor 2, and The Incredible Hulk don’t hold up).
I would just slap the ‘alternate universe’ label on The Dark Knight and keep it in the counting just to let that fantastic movie boost DC’s crummy track record.
@I Are Lebo, Agreed. Put it on Batman ‘89 too.
@Scott Sterling, indeed.
Every time i saw him in another movie i really wanted him to have his own movie... but after i saw how he looked in the movie i've learned to be carefull what you wish for...
I'm ready for all the down votes, but I really don't enjoy super hero movies, marvel or D.C. I'm not saying they are horrible movies by all means, I just personally don't find these stories enjoyable. Visuals are great and all but I get tired of it eventually. Rant over. My body is ready.
That and Justice League the animated series really pulled it off well. Nerfing powers that were OP and making Batman a part time member knowing somethings he just couldn't help with. Also Bman and Sups are best friends. Batman Vs Superman would have be better if it was based off Batman/Superman world's finest. Batman trying to Sups straight off doesn't work. In TDKR they have a history and in context it work especially being neither was actually trying kill the other. It was more about making a point.
Oh thisll be a popular meme for sure
@Dr TalleyWacker, format that is
Maybe I'm in the minority but I loved justice league. It was amazing, funny and pretty much a 180 from Batman vs. Suprerman. And one of the best parts was it didn't end on a cliff hanger. And I feel like marvel is only still good because of deadpool and guardians. I'm not even that excited for infinity war. I'm excited for deadpool 2. And back on dc's end I'm excited to see how they do darkseid.
I like Justice League. The cartoon that is.
Was really looking forward to Flashpoint, but I can't stand the actor they chose for Flash.