To clear up some confusion as why it mattered, the fuel the rebels used to fly was just to keep an even frame of reference in respect to the first order ships. When the ships ran out of fuel, it looked like stopped, but the director used a moving frame of reference, the empty ships didn’t just halt in space. I enjoyed the physics of episode 8
@Urraca Mesa, but why didn't some of the first order ships jump to light speed and then jump back in front of the rebels? This would've allowed them to surround them. If they knew their location it should have been possible.
@klooch, because logic
@Urraca Mesa, I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm also not trying to be that guy, but wouldn't they continue to go the same speed since there isn't anything to slow them down in space unless the other ships were still accelerating?
@Urraca Mesa, you also know this because they were slowly heading towards that salt planet and trying to stay in the big ship as long as they could.
@Urraca Mesa, *lasers arc through space to hit ship*
@Urraca Mesa, why did the first order have to arc their projectiles in space?
@ieatu, using bombs in space, also not dying when you open the bomb bay doors into a vacuum with no protection.
This is stupid. They were only "stopped" in relation to the enemy ships that were still going full speed ahead instead of just drifting in space.
@Liquid Stuff, no, in open space there would be nothing to slow them down. This is a huge flaw and now I️ can’t unsee it
@J Boogie, While the empty ships would indeed keep going at their same speed, the First Order ships would be able to accelerate to a speed faster than that. There is no flaw in the what the movie depicted.
@J Boogie, they didn't "slow down", they stopped accelerating. As the ships around them continued to accelerate, it gave the appearance of being "stopped". They didn't stop moving, they were just out-paced
@J Boogie, that isn’t as bad as the beginning where they were dropping bombs in space.
@GI Fumbles, but as the alliance ships began running out of fuel one by one, they were not simply overtaken, they clearly listed to one side as you would expect a vessel in an atmospheric condition to do
@bmw112290, right? Or the pilot kicking the ladder causing the remote to fall? (Although most ships in the Star Wars universe clearly have some form of artificial gravity)
@bmw112290, also, why would the bombers be so slow?
@J Boogie, and just FYI the first time I saw the movie I had way to high of expectations. Second time I did enjoy it and do actually still like the last Jedi. Just had to understand Disney is making these movies for kids not adults who want nostalgia.
@J Boogie, but yes there were a ton of dumb inconsistencies that you just have to ignore because it’s just a movie lol. That kamikaze into light speed either shouldn’t be possible or they should’ve totally done that to everything. Just build ships and use droids to hyper space them into the Death Star or whatever
@bmw112290, yeah, I️ understand their motive. Would still be nice to have something for the older fans who are the reason Star Wars was so successful to start with
@J Boogie, most of the jets on spacecraft are actually along the sides (and even the front) for directional control, the loss of that control means nothing would stop them from "tumbling" based on their own inertia, mass, and perhaps even the pull of the other large objects around them. Any large objects in the vacuum of space generate pull based on size (this also explains the bombs "dropping" in the beginning)
It is also no secret that the original trilogy (and ALL sci-fi) based ship battles off of naval and aerial combat footage, so it would absolutely make sense in-universe to follow the same premise.
@TheKen42, to be fair (though I hate that this has to be a point of flaw), that would imply that all the ships, throughout the movie, were accelerating the entire time, which likely wasn’t the case, especially considering how quickly the enemy ships caught up to the stalled ships. That would have to be a pretty rapid speed of acceleration.
@bmw112290, only larger vessels are capable of making a light-speed jump. Even if you completely ignore the cost to sentient life (for which droids absolutely qualify in the eyes of the good guys) the material costs alone would make "kamikaze light-speed jumps" impossible, they simply wouldn't have the resources. Especially as crippled as the rebels had become, every ship/life lost was one that couldn't be spared.
@J Boogie, thing is, though, if we’re gonna hold the movie accountable for these space physics, we would also have to hold all the films accountable for other space flaws, including the original trilogy. Such as the fact that ALL planets that the characters visit seem to not only have a livable atmosphere, but no discernible difference in gravitational pull, including the asteroid that Han, Leia, and Chewbacca land on.
@Berntley, not at all, this is only regarding the ships involved in the life-or-death chase sequence, in which everyone involved would absolutely be accelerating as much as possible for as long as they could, either to survive or to catch and kill their targets.
@Berntley, Now we're just splitting hairs
@GI Fumbles, nah they show x wings coming out of hyper space.A lot of smaller ships can jump to hyper space.
@GI Fumbles, but the admiral continues to say throughout the movie to “hold steady” or “maintain speed”. She doesn’t say “continue accelerating as much as possible for as long as possible”. That would have been a greater waste of resources.
@Berntley, much smaller ships would have an easier time pushing themselves around, so they would be going fast enough to out-pace the larger ships while conserving as much fuel as possible by staying juuust outside their range.
@bmw112290, the point remains the same: the material and personal costs would be far too great to just throw suicide squads at their enemies. Even if they could afford it, the rebels would never resort to it
@GI Fumbles, and yet they run out of fuel faster, while still staying clustered up with the rest of the ships. Look, I’ve fixed the issue, anyway. All the ships are actually powered by the same engine as the Planet Express ship, which doesn’t actually move at all. It stays in the same place, and the universe moves around it. Therefore, when the smaller ships run out of fuel, the universe around it stops moving, and it remains in the same place.
@Berntley, there's no indication of how fast they lost fuel, only that they were low when the chase started. They most likely had different levels of fuel or burned it at different rates given the size of the ships, different designs/models, and other factors (different light-speed efficiency, perhaps the other ships had been using fuel beforehand, etc.)
@Liquid Stuff, Star Wars games have always had ships stop when their engines are damaged or out of fuel. Even in relation to fixed objects like space stations. X-wing, Tie Fighter, vs, SW Galaxies all worked like this. The ships all had fixed max speeds too, you couldn't keep accelerating indefinitely. I get that this is considered Legends now, but Last Jedi appeared to stay true to this. If Snoke's convoy was constantly accelerating for hours, how would Finn be able to board it at a matched speed without also spending time accelerating?
@bmw112290, agreed that the bombers are stupid from a realistic stand point. Their explanation was apparently magnets. Whatever, but keep in mind that they used bombers in Empire Strikes back too, trying to flush out the Millennium Falcon from the asteroid field so it’s not like there wasn’t already precedence.
@GI Fumbles, I’m sticking with the Planet Express theory. It can’t be refuted, since the actual science of how ships operate in Star Wars hasn’t been explored much. Particularly in the movies.
@GI Fumbles, why would it be easier for smaller ships vs larger ships? Both are in a weightless environ. Bulk wouldn't make a huge difference.
@bmw112290, I would say that kamikaze was probably only so effective because of how dense the first order fleet was and because the mon calamari cruiser was so big and dense . If it was say an x wing vs 1 star destroyer A) you would have to be aimed at it very precisely where in this situation it was hard for her to miss any given ship when plugging in a quick lightspeed jump B) even trying to lightspeed at it a smaller ship would probably just impact on the shields resulting in minimal damage unless they’re shields were already down therefore C) the first order may have had they’re shields down so they could shutter all power to weapons and engines , with an enemy that is not firing back there would be very little reason to put any power into shields. Therefore allowing that suicide attempt to be as effective as it was
Should we be talking about how fuel has literally never been a problem in star wars before?
Sorry guys. The ships stop when fuel is depleted due to the coefficient of friction between the almost perfect vacuum of space and the govbullpuckinium coating on the metal of the ships. When they are fueled and operating properly, the coating creates a negatively charged field of trumpions which, as everybody knows, is highly repulsive.
They also "dropped" bombs in zero f*cking gravity...
Isn’t one basically floating on the force of being shot out into space and the other capable of launching, moving, and changing direction thus requiring fuel of sorts?
Basically they couldn’t keep the speeding up so the empire got into range.
As there's no resistance (like air) once it was full burn they could switch off and stay at the same constant speed like the satellite. Just need fuel to turn and slow down.
@Dolphhayne, you also need fuel to go faster to stay ahead of the enemies increasing speed. But hey its a meme... trying to bash movie physics... while not using logic when trying to bash.
@Seohn, If that where the case the smaller ships of the rebellion should have been able to accelerate and open the distance between them and the more massive ships chasing them. Maybe they coudlnt accelerate faster than the star destroyers but they should have at least been able to escape snoke's flagship.
@Dolphhayne, there almost was no rebel resistance either. Pun
@Kliment Voroshilov, The smaller ships also didn't have the shields tyhat the capital ships did, so that was a factor
@Seohn, was manly using logic from Futurama when they shoot bender out they're torpedo, he wasn't for slowing till he hit something.
@bmw112290, missed that 😀
@Kliment Voroshilov, (More spoilers). They didn’t out accelerate them because they were staying close to the main ship for protection. Bigger guns and shields. Also it wouldn’t have mattered. They couldn’t jump to lightspeed without being tracked.
You should consider playing Kerbal Space Program. Its a fun game and one of the more accurate games that simulates space.
Tactically what they did wasn’t that unreasonable. And continuing to accelerate was what they were doing. Which is why they were running out of fuel. So this meme is highly inaccurate.
And now that I think about it it reminds me of a book series I like. I think there are similar events where they talk about accelerating away from the enemy in space “Space Carrier Avalon The Castle Federation” series.
For those interested. The author of that series of books also has another series called the “Starships Mage”. Which is really good too. It combines a bit of Firefly and Star Wars elements with hints of fantasy.
@Seohn, Silly man thinking I don't play Kerbal, I do I just suck at it.
Anyway I don't know the mass numbers obviously but the rebellion ships I think it's reasonable to assume are less massive than the star destroyers. All three of them should have been able to open the range farther than just beyond the orders gun range. It wouldn't have mattered much in the end but it would have at least given them a little breathing room after they run out of fuel. And if I Renner didn't they remark that they were only tracking the main ship not the two frigates? So why not load people on the frigates and send them off in random directions.
(Major Spoilers) Even if they loaded up the smaller ships and jumped in random directions. There were enough imperial ships that they could’ve just track them and jumped to follow as well. Besides the plan They had would’ve worked just fine. The smaller ships were staying close the larger ship for protection. But also so they can transfer over crew as they ran out of fuel.
Their plan was to make it seem like all of the rebel alliance was destroyed. And that failed because of said person. Much better plan than simply jumping away and having the empire continue to chase.
So if you think about it. Po and Fin in advertently screwed them over. But then again if they hadn’t have left those people out of the loop. Never would’ve happened either.
@Kliment Voroshilov, have you ever noticed though that in a lot of movies. Or I should say a huge number of movies and TV shows. A lot of the problems that arise are because people withhold information. Or they just don’t tell the other person something.
it’s like most of the stuff could’ve simply been avoided in a lot of different movies and TV shows if people would just discuss what’s going on and stop withholding information. I actually get kind of annoyed when movies and shows use this tactic to further a plot. Well that is, when it’s extremely obvious they’re using this tactic.
Grant you this doesn’t exactly apply to The Last Jedi. Because he supposed to be a soldier who follows orders.
@Seohn, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this.
Although I agree that withholding the information from po was pointless but I also think the entire rose fin subplot was pointless as well so what do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Kliment Voroshilov, Well their subplot didn’t further their escape as the plan failed. But it wasn’t pointless. It was there to help Fin learn and bolster his resolve to help rather than flee when things got rough.
Wait till we make sleeper ships
Also, to reply to the bombers moving slowly: could easily be explained as a matter of necessity from transporting unstable explosives, since any impact triggered a chain reaction
Not really comparable... But sure.
I mean they did have fuel on the one following so they could just speed up and catch them