Sir. My memes are high in politics and light on the funny. This is not what I ordered.
@GunSupporter, I'd expect someone with a name like that to have something to say in politics
But rocket scientists and brain surgeons tend to be liberal...
@IAmTheLaw92, are they though? Edit: sorry I realize this may of come off as snarky, I don’t know anyone from that community, so it was meant to be a sincere question. I appreciate the responses :)
@Trash Panda, I mean if you think people lie on census surveys for no reason then I can see being skeptical. I just don’t share the belief. Look it up online.
@IAmTheLaw92, I don't think that just because you work a job that requires extensive knowledge in that specific field doesn't mean that your political views will be any more superior than the rest of the world's
@IAmTheLaw92, actual rocket scientist here (space systems engineer technically). I’m a rather conservative Christian. But how do I believe in science then?!?!
@Polaroid, I don’t think that either. I just know who Ben Shapiro is. I know that he’s a conservative. I also know that conservativism is much more prevalent among those who are less educated. Rural areas and whatnot. Liberalism is prevalent in highly educated areas. Cities and whatnot. Therefore, I thought it ironic that he would try to insinuate that talk show hosts are miles away from brain surgeons and rocket scientists when, on this topic, those people would agree with Jimmy and not Shapiro himself. It’s the kind of snarky pseudo-intellectualism that makes my skin crawl. Shapiro talks fast and makes mind-numbingly simple points and people think he’s a god. I’m not even talking about the politics angle of this. His logic is just so easy to dissect.
@IAmTheLaw92, Know a lot of neurosurgeons, do ya?
@IAmTheLaw92, Shapiro was making fun of Kimmel’s comment about the job of a talk show host requiring a high intelligence he never said anything about the political affiliation of rocket scientists and brain surgeons.
@EatMyAss, I do, worked at the MIND institute of MGH, pretty much all liberal. Not saying that particularly means anything cause correlation does not equal causation but he's not wrong
@Trash Panda, I can speak to the level of all the neuroscientists I've worked with have been. No doesn't mean anything correlation isn't causation but it is true
@Jolee Bindo, a measure of intelligence =/= high intelligence.
@HammerOfHerertics, because outliers don’t trump overall trends. But you are obviously a scientist and know that already so be serious.
@IAmTheLaw92, sooo is he saying that some jobs don’t require a measure of intelligence?
@HammerOfHerertics, I'm a lot less interested in this political discussion, and a lot more interested in what you do.
Could you give me a rundown of your day-to-day activities at whatever facility you work at?
honestly, systems engineers are like my idols
@Jolee Bindo, I wouldn’t know. I only have the quote you see. I haven’t seen the monologue so I, like most of the people commenting on this image, have no context beyond what he said. For that question you’d need to ask Jimmy. And if Shapiro had said something along those lines I’d have had nothing to say. Yours is a legitimate question. The only reason I said anything was just to point out how frustratingly transparent guys like Shapiro are. There are legitimate ways to attack someone and there are cheap ways that make you look stupid. For Shapiro, I feel like this is definitely the latter, wouldn’t you agree?
@sploot, well I’m a graduate researcher at MIT actually; going for my PhD. My research focuses on investigating contingency operations and response options in case some sort of failure occurs on a long duration manned mission such as a trip to Mars. So day to day is kinda working towards better understanding that problem. Also working to see how NASA can plan technology development to help commercial companies grow the space industry. So two kinda different but pretty cool topics I’m looking at.
@HammerOfHerertics, that's fukkin legit dude. So you probably know the Apollo 13 situation inside and out, huh.
I think Neil degrade Tyson made a good point(among a slew of bad ones) in his recent presentation where he discussed NASA shifting tasks to commercial companies. Basically the gov. is great at footing the bill for the first giant leap, but the repeatable tasks that can be made ultra efficient are better left to commercial interests.
@sploot, yup, that was kinda my starting point. Apollo 13’s response was much better planned and prepared for than you would expect or than what the movie implies. And while I might not be a huge fan of NDT, he’s totally right on that count. Look at what SpaceX and Boeing are doing for cargo launches to ISS...NASA shouldn’t need to worry about that anymore, they can move on to much more audacious things...and also things others don’t want to do either cause there’s no money in it or because of lack of fundamental research or interest from other parties.
@HammerOfHerertics, Yeah, I've listened to that Apollo 13 audio a couple times, I worked on a LA class submarine for 4 years and the co2 scrubbers are the same thing. It was surreal to listen to these dudes troubleshoot their electrical system that had the same bank designation as our boat, as well as the same operating components.
@sploot, haha well now you know what to do in case the exact thing goes wrong! Haha but the DIY scrubber part wasn’t what I meant (should’ve clarified); that was rigged on the fly. I mean more the plan for the trajectory maneuver to bring them back, and the retreat to the Service module, all of that operational stuff was planned for in advance as part of the contingency planning.
@HammerOfHerertics, oh dang, that's awesome.
@IAmTheLaw92, I'd like to see this census because I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshjt, I know 0 rocket scientists mind you
@IAmTheLaw92, liberalism is prevalent in areas of privileged and condescending people, whose education is not so much a true show of knowledge but rather a chip on their shoulder
@Medic135, I’m a part of that community, and not to speak for anyone but it’s as varied and diverse (politically) a community as any. There’s no basis for OP’s claim that I’ve seen.
@HammerOfHerertics, thank you rocket scientist who spends his free time on funnypics
@IAmTheLaw92, I care a lot less about what they tend to be than whether or not they are more likely than other populations to tend to be. A vast majority of university/college students/graduates tend toward liberalism. I don’t see any causal intelligence- liberalism relationship. There are many an idiot in college. Many an idiot
@Medic135, google is your friend
@Tyrellious, you didn’t read the discourse here I see. You should.
@IAmTheLaw92, yeah that username doesn’t perfectly play into the fears that conservatives have about socialism funneling directly into a dictatorship.
@ssj343, hahaha I can definitely see where you’re coming from. My names Lawrence and I like puns. I didn’t really expect to be having political discourse on Funny Pics but here we are....
@IAmTheLaw92, is there a tl;dr? I just got through with 15 pages of Gómora, and my English brain isn’t on yet
@IAmTheLaw92, Tyrellious seems pretty caught up to me
@Tyrellious, sort of. There are legitimate ways to attack what Jimmy said. Ben Shapiro picked one of the silliest ways to do it because the two examples of professions he cited in his comment (brain surgeons and rocket scientists) are by nature of their fields highly educated. Census data as a whole shows a correlation (not a causation) between higher education people being more liberal. People argued with me about that but google can confirm. I just thought it was funny because if Ben Shapiro took a second to step away from defending his team so hard he’d realize the people he’s bringing up to discredit Jimmy would definitely be more likely (if you believe census data of course) to agree with Jimmy’s original statement.
@HammerOfHerertics, pretty sure it’s well-evidenced that the majority of adults with post-graduate degrees are Democrats. (D)57%-35%(R) according to the Pew Research Center. Obviously this would vary across professions but that gives some validity to the claim that a rocket scientist or brain surgeon is more likely to be liberal. And a ~35% figure is still enough to make the community diverse politically
@Blue Shirted Guy, cause we all know how good polls have been in predicting the true political feelings in this country.
@Blue Shirted Guy, thanks for doing the work for some of these folks bro. I’d thumb you twice if I could.
@HammerOfHerertics, lol go look at my first reply to trash panda. Definitely didn’t read the words.
@IAmTheLaw92, I dunno, 100% of neurosurgeons I know (so, 1) have a very conservative “f**k you all, I’m rich. Look at my sports car, £20k watch and ringside seats to a boxing match in Vegas” attitude.
@HammerOfHerertics, a Fox News exit poll from the election showed that 58% of those with postgrad study voted for Hillary vs. 37% for Trump. CNN’s exit poll showed the same exact numbers. 58% to 37%. Each of these three polls (including Pew) had roughly 23,000-25,000 respondents. All fall right in line with each other.
Believe what you want to believe. If you don’t want to accept any survey or poll as evidence, that’s fine. Not trying to convince you.
@Blue Shirted Guy, the question to me isn't "who do college grads vote for?", it's "why does it matter?"
@IAmTheLaw92, I have a feeling you'd have a hard time dissecting any of his "simple points", lol.
@the fork, but I already did...
@IAmTheLaw92, I wouldn't say effectively. Regardless, this is a joke, hardly a point in a debate.
@the fork, alright. So prove your point. The snark is cute and all. Put up or shut up. Don’t be a tribalist like daddy Ben.
@IAmTheLaw92, what point do you think I'm trying to prove? The tweet from Shapiro is a joke, not a point in a debate... that's what I was saying.
@the fork, and what I’m saying is that the “points” and “jokes,” for guys like Shapiro, are one and the same. I believe the same would apply to your lovely response, to one of my responses, to MY original joke. What’s it Shapiro fans love to say again? Ah yes, don’t be triggered by my micro-aggression dude. It’s a cheap joke at Shapiro’s expense, in response to a cheap joke at Jimmy’s expense, in response to a cheap joke at conservatives’ expense. I think you, Jimmy, and Ben all need to take several seats.
@IAmTheLaw92, I'm with you man, all these idiots just can't tell the difference between "most" and "all"
@IAmTheLaw92, well i know its true that most college proffessors are liberal or have a left leaning biased i havent seen the stat for rocket scientests.
@IAmTheLaw92, if you think that "points" and "joke" are one in the same for Shapiro, you've clearly never listened to him. He doesn't mince words. If you seriously don't get that this is a joke, that's not on him as most people did.
And what applies to my response? I said that I don't think you'd be able to dissect his points easily, as you've said. I haven't jumped into a debate with you or tried making any argument. I think your problem is that you can't recognize a debate. You think that anything from someone you disagree with must be some sort of debate, so you dissect everything they casually say and pride yourself on ripping apart their points, when in reality, no one has debated with you.
@IAmTheLaw92, And what do you mean "Shapiro fans love to say"? A lot of people use the phrase "triggered", it's hardly a Shapiro thing. But yes, most people on the right think the overly offended nature that's so common right now is counterproductive. If your implication is that I'm somehow offended, I'd be interested to find out if that's a true opinion of yours, or if you just think that it's a good way to get one up on me. Either way, all I've done is reply to you, just as you have done several times in this thread. So there's no reason to assume anyone is anymore "triggered" than you originally were.
And I'm already sitting down, not sure what you mean be that. Unless of course you just mean you want us all to be quite because you can't handle opposing views. It's real easy for you to just not read them if it causes you that much anguish. "Don't be triggered, dude."
@IAmTheLaw92, ah. I see. While I don’t argue the correlation at all. I would encourage a look at whether or not even more education leads to further liberalism, or if a baseline 4 year degree is correlated to the same levels of increased liberal ideaology. Also, it still isn’t at all a causal relationship in the way jimmy implied. It could be a third variable problem (which I likely imagine is the case) such as universities being centers of typically liberal thought producing scientists who are both educated and more likely to be liberal.
@IAmTheLaw92, part of the problem is that issues are complex and almost never simple but politicians try to push us with simple solutions to basic problems. The reality is that most problems are intertwined and simply fixing one may negatively impact others. The entire economy needs a restructure if its to survive and not destroy itself.
@IAmTheLaw92, I go to Missouri S&T, its an Engineering school in the middle of Missouri, so among freshmen the politics are more conservative but as they get closer to graduation it get more liberal. Mind you we're talking about Missouri so most kids this liberals are the devil, so the change come be a number things, most professors are liberal, conservative ideas are rather black in white but if you go here you can't afford to tgink like that or maybe they want to get laid (only 23% are girls here :/). Anywho, the bottom line is engineers and scientists are progressive thinkers and conservative ideals are counter poductive to our goals. Hope this helped :)
@IAmTheLaw92, yeah, education and an expanded world view will do that to most people
@Tyrellious, I agree. And this is a nuanced and clear criticism. I’m just saying that Shapiro’s logic here doesn’t completely get with yours when I think it should if were gonna consider him an “intellectual” as many do.
@Implicit88, I completely agree.
@IAmTheLaw92, oh yes. I understand. I think both Kimmel and Shapiro here are working under a false premise, and it makes them both look silly
@Tyrellious, FINALLY someone actually gets what I’ve been saying lololol
@the fork, my original comment and all of my responses disprove nearly everything you say. This is a classic case of projection. Your second comment logically could be boiled down to I know you are but what am I. I get you like Shapiro, all I was just trying to point out is that his fans (and you if you count yourself among them) should take more time to actually think about the things he says instead of applauding the admittedly sharp way he makes his points. People like that value presentation over substance. It makes you look just like the people who do the same on the other side. The same people you love to mock. I don’t agree with either group in this case and my comments prove it. Trying to lump me in with them just highlights the tribalist “my side is right cuz it’s my side and anyone that attacks me is an enemy from the other side” mentality that I’m saying is rampant on both the right and the left now. That’s where you both lose reasonable people.
@IAmTheLaw92, ah yes Wernher Von Braun that well known liberal Nazi who landed Americans on the moon.
@IAmTheLaw92, Ben Carson would like a word with you
@IAmTheLaw92, you haven't disproved a single thing I've said. And it seems you either have a problem with logic, or comprehension. I'm not sure which. The thing is, I take time to think about everything I support. There's a lot of people with wonderful presentation that is, as you might say, on "my side", that I don't pay any attention to. And Shapiro's presentation is far from polished. It's the substance that draws me. Just because you don't like or agree with him, that doesn't mean he lacks substance, or his "fans" are too dumb to see past house presentation.
You've never seen me mock anyone, I've never had a conversation with you until this thread. So it seems you're the one guilty of lumping people into groups. Labeling everyone that disagrees with you as a "tribalist" is a way to undercut someone's point without ever even trying to tackle it.
@IAmTheLaw92, as far as my side vs their side, I really couldn't care less what "side" you're on. It seems a lot of people try to play impartial, or take some high ground of reason, by claiming they hate both "sides". Claiming to be part of the "middle" is just as tribalist. I don't pick my side of any issue based on it being left or right. I think through each issue, and with research and reason, I decide what my views on that issue is. If that lines up with a certain "side", then so be it. But I'm not shopping for opinions at conserv-o-mart.
And I don't care what side your opinion is on. If it's illogical, I'll debate it. It can be left, right, or as you claim, middle. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. The fact that you place more value in not being on either side than you do simply thinking for yourself says something.
Of course, it's not because late night talk show hosts are mostly based in California or New York, it's because they're intelligent
@vesrox, and its definetly not because young people are more likely to watch those shows, and are much more likley to be left on the political spectrum
@vesrox, yea because they only hire people from New York or California. No one ever moves on show business.
@vesrox, explain Trevor Noah and John Oliver then
@Duncan5769, not anymore, gen Z and so on is becoming the most conservative in decades probably from being sick of the millennials shjt
@WhyNotBoth, two foreign cunts who make jokes about American politics on mediocre rated late night shows
@Medic135, i was born in 97, so hovering around millenial and gen z, I started out left but the left became less appealing as the rise of SJWs, and femenists, ans safe spaces, ans the realization that theyre no better then republicans. I personally lean more right now, but to be honest theyre both mostly corrupt parties.
Sooo.... Then is Kimmel saying fields dominated by conservatives are filled with stupid people?
Personally I just see a closed-minded individual who contributes to the hyper-partisan atmosphere of the United States when he could be using his influence to suggest people work together despite their differences.
@RogueKnight, you were downvoted by 2 closed-minded individuals who contribute to the hyperpartisan atmosphere of the United States
@RogueKnight, e pluribus duo
A measure means just some speck of intelligence, not a whole lot; something you would need to not make a fallicious comparison.
OUR SIDE GOOD! THEIR SIDE BAD! HAPPY WE WIN! SAD THEY CHEAT! AM INTELLECTUAL! AM SMART!
It honestly is crazy to me that conservatives are the ones constantly called closed minded but liberals pull this crap...
@Shentei Zei, paradigm shift. The Evangelocons no longer set the tone for the right in America, while the non-interventionists and non-prohibitionists no longer set the tone for the left.
@Shentei Zei, you are slowly becoming one of my favorite commenters
@Medic135, I'm glad somebody likes what I say, im even more quickly becoming a lot of people's least favorite commenter ;)
I'm just a lowly rocket surgeon (all the awesome of the two names with just a tinge of the knowledge) but I agree.
Apparently Ben Shapiro thinks "measure of intelligence" means rocket scientist.
Commenting so I can comeback and see the amount of conservatives this triggers. Fairly light so far, but it’s only been 30mins.
@ios11, why would conservatives be triggered by this?
@ios11, And if someone is “triggered” by this(the reason for I can’t really say) how would you know they’re conservative? Personally I’m a Lockean Liberal, not a Leftist. And yet me finding Jimmy’s comment stupid or closed-minded suddenly makes me conservative because I don’t agree with a Leftist?
@TheRatMan, AnCap here and Jimmy is just engaging in mindless tribalism, which always bugs the shït out of me.
@Doctor Krieger, Yea, that collectivist ingroup mentality is infuriating. Especially when people with money and influence(like many late night show hosts) perpetuate the cycle of ignorance that comes with it. Doesn’t matter what ya say, if you’re not *insert ingroup here* they’ll go through countless mental hoops to spew some insane reason why you’re wrong. If there’s one thing we can agree on, it’s that that shjt is madness.
Or maybe it’s easier to be liberal because they appeal to a majority of people who stay up that late at night and have nothing better to do with their time and because of an extreme amount of depression about their life decisions and can’t cope with their inability to save money and instead can only turn to cheap jokes to hide the pain of the seriousness of the world that’s easier to manage by assigning all responsibility to the government and refusing to take ownership for their own actions
@Y0UR C0NSCIENCE, or perhaps they are just people who know how to take a joke so have no issues watching the show rather than be afraid of a joke.
Or perhaps the people mad at the jokes are upset and don’t want to admit the hint of truth in them because they are to stubborn to admit when they are wrong.
Apparently it take high intelligence to read other people's work.
@The Eye of the Hawk, well, to understand it might take high intelligence. It certainly takes some education. That being said, a "comedy" script is hardly a technical manual.
I think that's called the band wagon fallacy, but that's none of my business.
Considering that most of these liberal talk show hosts still believe that the wage gap is talking about the same jobs i would say no theyre pretry stupid
I see things like this. If you’re unable to joke about things including the things you like. You’ve probably been brainwashed. If you take things too seriously that means you need to lighten up or you’ve probably been brainwashed.
Being able to poke jokes at anything is also cornerstone for finding its faults too I think.
This has gotten out of hand to the point the left and right won’t do anything the other suggests. It’s almost as if the right decides to give everyone a million bucks tax free the left would fight to block it and the same goes for the right if the left decided to do it.
Isn't sarcasm fun