Tuesday August 29th 2017, A three-year-old girl was shot in the neck with an unregistered sawn-off shotgun at her mother's home in the western Sydney suburb of Lalor Park on Sunday evening.
@tohellinahandbasket, but Australia banned guns!!/s
@ptitty1231, no we have controlled guns. Very different. Hunting is a thing
@BulbousBiscuit, my mistake, sorry
@tohellinahandbasket, another reason Melbourne is better than Sydney.
Please don't bring up another instance from Melbourne. Let's just live in this false sense of fvck sydney
@BulbousBiscuit, gun violence is everywhere, and is terrible and tragic. In America we are going through some horrific incidences and I don’t want people to isolate, shame and poke fun at an issue that affects everyone, everywhere. That is all.
@tohellinahandbasket, if we can't have fun in a poor situation then what point is comedy at all?
If we can't laugh at something as personal at out own misfortune then how can we laugh at anything?
Joking isn't isolation, it brings us together in the universal language of laughter.
Life is a joke.
God knows I'm going to
@tohellinahandbasket, that’s not an AR-15 though sooooo there’s that
@BulbousBiscuit, ok...true. Point taken...I’m lightening up ;)
@tohellinahandbasket, thanks bud. I do understand where you're coming from and it is a fact that gun crimes aren't documented too well here, considering I had no idea about that.
But I just wanted to show you that the world is too fvcked up to even care about something as trivial as a meme.
To quote a British dude from the 70s
"Always look on the bright side of life"
@tohellinahandbasket, a couple other things to note. When the mandatory gun buy back programs (aka bans) were enacted, they did see gun crime rates go down right away. However, their numbers had already been decreasing and at the same levels as New Zealand who did not pass any gun control measures. The other problem is that after gun crime went down violent crime, including rape, went up. Almost like making softer targets makes it easier for criminals to do bad things? Since then more and more people have gotten gun permits and Australia now has more guns and gun ownership than it did prior to the gun bans, however, gun crime has not increased but violent crime has decreased. So violent crimes went up with less guns and down with mor guns, but gun crime did not go up with more guns. Now I’m not saying everyone should own a gun, that’s definitely a bad idea. But responsible gun ownership is good.
@Totrollornottotroll, Yes, responsibility and accountability are most important. Unfortunately when dealing with the human condition those key attributes get left out...due to mental illness and ignorance. I don’t have the answers for guns only being in the hands of responsible owners. My whole point was gun violence is everywhere. But, as my good buddy @BulbousBiscuit pointed out we need outlets for the stressors in life. So I get the funny meme, and we shouldn’t get too wrapped up in the controversy of it all. I was just making a point. Didn’t want to start a war.
@Jonnasty, does it really matter if it's am ar15 or a shotgun?
Everyone is looking at ar15 like they are the devils gun. There are far more deadly weapons, and the fact that ar15 is used so often in mass shootings goes to show that the shooters are Ill informed on firearms. A .22 isn't powerful at all. In fact, if Vegas was a AK or SKS variant, hell an M14 or M1 Garand, all of those would have been 58 living injured and 500 dead instead of the reverse. A 7.62mm or .308/.30 caliber/.30-06 Or shotgun are far less likely to be survivable than an ar15.
@tohellinahandbasket, oh I took no offense. It’s a conversation that needs to be had. The person posted this knowing it would cause backlash and FunnyPics mods approved it knowing as well. No one knows the right answers but there are places to start. For instance, fixing the NICS background checks system and all of the failures there are bureaucratic. States and military don’t report all records. The states that do their own background checks instead of using the FBI don’t report them. A 2016 audit showed only 1 out of 632 checks was updated to the system by local officials. I also like the idea of outside individuals being able to petition for a mental health disqualifier. I think right now they’re pushing for anyone in the home but I’d say expand that to include schools and law enforcement. Obviously have an appeal process for false positives, but if they can prove behavior that shows the person is a danger to themselves or others then definitely they shouldn’t be buying a gun.
@tohellinahandbasket, there is no “gun show loophole”. I do think that all sales should go through NICS though. Let people do private sales, but they have to go to a local gun shop to run the NICS check on it. We need to increase the penalty on gun crimes by having mandatory minimums to deter more people from using guns to commit crimes. And lastly we need to do more to find and punish straw man purchases.
@Totrollornottotroll, except mandatory minimums do jack shjt. This information brought to you by the War on Drugs.
@Robin the Tactician, google project exile, Richmond Virginia. After one year of the program gun crimes were reduced by 40%. The reason you can’t use the mandatory minimum on drugs as an example is that drugs are an addictive substance. So people are going to keep using regardless of the penalties. Plus there’s starting to be a consensus that marijuana should be legalized. No mandatory minimums will not stop all gun crimes. That’s why I mentioned it along with other measures because together they would do more to stop gun violence.
@tohellinahandbasket, so, 1 australian gun death for every 100 american deaths? One kid died over half a year ago, im assuming in some kind of accident. 17 kids died less than a month ago here and im sure several instances similar to the one you listed have happened this week
@K1l, did you read everything I posted? I’m stating gun violence is everywhere. I’m not comparing the amount of gun violence.
@ptitty1231, What do they use to shoot up their schools and in drive-bys, then? Bows and arrows? Crossbows? Javelins?
@K1l, but did you account for the population differences? Of course not.
@BulbousBiscuit, There was a terrorist attack where someone shot a few people and holed up in an apartment. June 5th, 2017.
@BulbousBiscuit, mandatory buy back sounds like a ban to me. Once a firearm is in someone’s hands how that firearm is used cannot be determined by a higher power.
@Jonnasty, whoopty fvcking do, would you feel better if I shot you with a handgun?
@BulbousBiscuit, mandatory buy-back sounds an awful lot like a gun ban to be.
@crustybucket, , the mass shooter weapon of choice is typically a pistol, same with general deaths by firearm
AR-15's are rather scapegoat because they're scary looking to some, not that it's more effective
@The Common Shaman, Of course I did, their gun murder rate is much, much lower than the United States. Per capita (in millions) the U.S has a rate of 32.57 while Australia’s is 3.
@crustybucket, I was just making a joke, but I think that the thing that bugs/ scares people about the AR-15 is that is readily available, and has a larger magazine, which means more bullets. I know that there are worse guns, and as a gun wonder myself, I think that there needs to be some level of reform and unfortunately the ar-15 is easily identifiable and will be the focus of said reform
@Totrollornottotroll, the “gun show loophole” does exist- at least in Indiana. licensed firearm sellers must perform background checks at a gun show- but individuals don’t. There’s a gun show every summer about 5 miles from my house and the majority of vendors are licensed, however there is always 5-10 individual people who can sell guns without background checks and even without asking for ID.
"any private entity may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the state where they reside, as long as they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms"
The Brady law (background checks on all purchases) only applies to purchases from federally licensed firearms sellers- ie a business that sells firearms. Now if I wanted to go sell a rifle or AR15 or handgun I could simply buy a $50 table at my local gun show and sell it to whoever I thought was “responsible enough”
@ajr12100, for a good overview of Indiana gun laws: http://lawcenter.giffords.org/private-sales-in-indiana/
@K1l, so if we take into account that the United States has a population of ~300 million and Australia has a population of ~25 million the rate in regards to capital is almost the same. So it’s not an issue of the us is more violent, it’s an issue of people will shoot people as long as they have access to guns.
@Medic135, I mean my point was just that the picture was still technically right because the shooting didn’t use an AR-15, but go off I guess
@ajr12100, exactly what I said. It’s not a “gun show loophole” it’s that they don’t require background checks on private sales. I pointed out in my comment that we should require all gun sales to go through NICS. Even for private sales. Have them meet at an FFL to do the NICS check and allow the sale to go through. Also Louder With Crowder has a video of him going to a gun show in Indiana. He was unable to buy a gun without a background check. Lastly most criminals get their guns illegally anyways. Like through a straw man purchase or black market. But if it makes it more difficult for criminals and doesn’t take away rights of law abiding citizens I’m fine with it.
@Totrollornottotroll, the point of calling it a loophole is that people can get guns without a background check. Whether it’s a “loophole” or not is just semantics. And as for criminals getting guns- I know a kid who went to my school who bought several guns at gun shows. He’s in prison now for armed robbery and breaking and entering
@BulbousBiscuit, Lol thats basically what I’ve been saying for the past 20 years. Life’s a Joke. Laugh it up.
@Totrollornottotroll, Thats basically the argument I’ve been making. If it makes it more difficult for people who intend to use it for crime. And it doesn’t take away your right. Why would someone be opposed to it.
At this point I stand strong by what I’ve been saying. To do absolutely nothing and stick to the same old ways which have shown they aren’t helping. Is to say they are ok with soon to be criminals buying weapons.
Ew, don't fvcking drink that
@MrWonka, that has to be the worst condiment in existence
Why is she drinking Vegemite? It's as solid as frozen peanut butter!
@mariagama, and strong as Chuck Norris
@gocol, mysterious as the dark side of the mooooooon!
@mariagama, think it’s supposed to represent Australia’s version of Kermit’s meme
Upvote here if you like Vegemite
@Tegu Trump, wow, not one upvote....you know what, I'll upvote myself, I like that stuff, even though I'm not Australian
@Tegu Trump, as an Aussie... it's eh
@Tegu Trump, As an Aussie I think it’s super overrated.
@FrostyKnife, I used to think it was gross, then learned it's supposed to be eaten with butter on toast (1 of the many recipes I'm sure) instead of just smeared on bread like peanut butter, and enjoy it much more now
There’s no way I’d live in Australia without many guns. Have you seen how many things can kill you over there?
@BigJohnson86, lol rly?
@CosmoTheKramer, you wanna go get eaten by mega scorpions or you wanna throw him on your barbe?
@BigJohnson86, lol for real? Your Johnson must not be that big if you're this scared
@CosmoTheKramer, no when your dick drags on the ground you gotta be prepared to kill every insect.
Like an AR is the only legitimate way to kill someone. Are people really this stupid? Wait. Yes they are.
@I Love Boost, you’re right, and I was 100% with you for a long time. But trends are trends. Obviously it makes more sense to ban or at least heavily restrict the clearly dangerous stuff: bump stocks, high capacity magazines, anything with full auto capabilities, etc etc. But right now, it’s perceived that the AR-15 is a huge problem, so action is probably going to be taken against it. It’s like if all of a sudden a ton of people were killed by tomagatchis. We probably wouldn’t be able to get tomagatchis anymore.
An AR-15 has the ability to kill no matter where it is located. It all depends on who is using it.
And that's one of the reasons small children still get carried away by wild dogs.
@GunSupporter, I prefer mine to be kidnapped by gun-toting crazies who are specifically white
AR-15's could do a lot of good there. The main purpose of this rifle is for small game and rodents. That kind of stuff is deadly down there.
Cause the Australian but back program was so successful what percentage of the guns came off the market? Only a third yeah you’re so right
And for the vast majority of all gun crimes neither will it in the u.s. learn your facts kids. Dont bite the propaganda pill.
*Australians laugh while being stabbed*
@Sir LancesALot, lol so hilarious that so many get stabbed like 12. It's so much easier to clean up a gun violence mess because you can use a gun to shoot the survivors since they're cowards for not fighting back. What kinda pussies don't carry a strap 24/7
@CosmoTheKramer, did you read that before you posted it?
@FreeKing , no I posted it before I even started typing. #nohands
Guns are incapable of trying to kill someone because they are inanimate objects.
She has pretty...VEGEMITE!!??
WTF is an ar-15?🇦🇺
Aussie what you did there
Why don't we just take the school shooters, and push them to Australia
Is it because the bullet spins the other way?
The reason we have less gun violence is because it’s hard to aim them when you’re hanging upside down from a harness.
I mean... if they get invaded by a force using ar15...
Pretty sure it's the bullets that kill you
Except appx 44% (estimate) of all "illegal" guns in Australia were NOT turned in and destroyed
Ok you win the argument. Keep your guns
Not opening this can of worms *runs away*
Wait the aussies eat vegemite too??
How to Australians protect themselves from predators then, using Kangaroo Jack and boomerangs?