Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say. Sorry for the long post.
@DwayneTheCockJohnson, that hurt me on an existential level. Well done
@DwayneTheCockJohnson, I know you got this from Facebook you sonuvabitch. But I'll upvote you anyway because you're good kid
@DwayneTheCockJohnson, as an engineering student im offended that you expended an exuberant amount of energy on the warning lable, and had none left for the actual product
@DwayneTheCockJohnson, To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Rick’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick & Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick’s existential catchphrase “Wubba Lubba Dub Dub,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching as this is as much as i can copy paste
@Swolekage, it wouldn’t be inaccurate to assume that I couldn’t exactly not say that it is or isn’t almost partially correct.
@DwayneTheCockJohnson, I read that with my eyes and now I’m mad.
As a Catholic, I’m of the mind that God created us with free will for a reason. If He wanted to control our lives, or influence them in any major way, He wouldn’t have given that to us. I realize this is a pretty controversial opinion but I’m just exercising my free will ;)
@Red Uzumaki, yep. That's exactly it. To quote Rorschach, "God doesn't make the world this way, we do."
@Red Uzumaki, if God created religion (in your case Catholism) then why would he create it knowing it will cause the most deaths than any other war? Catholics are responsible for around 15 million deaths from main wars and that's leaving out the witch hunting, heresy accusations and minor wars that it caused. I think that "Free Will" is just a poor excuse for theists to say "I don't know why bad things happen to good people so imma just make something up"
@WhyNotBoth, Lol what? Free will is a human thing. It’s very true the Crusades and other Holy Wars did account for a very large amount of death. I already said in a comment a while back that to ignore this as a Catholic is a terrible thing because then you can’t learn from your mistakes. Saying that embracing the human right of free will is a cop out by those that are religious just makes me think you just want a way to make people that don’t think like you look bad. Also this argument that you have proposed has literally nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Which as @scottles said very well, we make the world this way.
@Red Uzumaki, I'm in support of all evil in the world being due to just humans being evil but I'm saying that religion caused way more evil than it caused good. And if God is the one who started religion, doesn't that mean he is the main source of human caused evil in the past 3 millennia? All I'm saying you can't have it that God created us and gave us free will but be a Catholic and call him Omnipotent and benevolent
@Red Uzumaki, yeah I was raised Catholic as well and you are spot on. The crusades and holy wars are a black spot on Christianity’s history but they were a long time ago, we learned from the mistakes; not many crusades going around these days from the Catholics. People are quick to bring up the distant past as a criticism but ignore all the good the church does.
I’ve seen people compare Catholicism to Islam and bring up the crusades as an equal for isis. Which is completely ignorant. One side learned from the mistakes and evolved to be better, the other is still committing atrocities in the name of their religion.
@WhyNotBoth, I don’t recall ever saying God is benevolent. I joke all the time with my friends that God is a dick, because He honestly is. And saying religion has done more harm than good, I guess you just decided to ignore the lives saved over two millennia through good works, charity through the church, missions to foreign countries, etc. I think that the millions of lives saved through the church far out weigh the lives lost because of the ignorance of the few that have since been excommunicated because of those deeds
@Red Uzumaki, idk, free will such a vast and extremely complex idea, to which we're not sure how much free will we actually have from a biological view, that it seems unreasonable to throw it around so willy nilly. Alot of things we do is unconscious or predecided in our minds before we do them. The question is, if u were me, exact body, exact life, would u have chose differently on a choice I had to make.
@Red Uzumaki, also as a Catholic, I agree with what you say about free will. However when you say he doesn’t want to influence our lives in a major way, that’s pretty false. In fact through Jesus, he wants to be and SHOULD BE the single most important influence in our lives and guide every decision we make, big and small. Because he loves us more than we love ourselves, and he knows what’s better for us than we do, so his will should be our will. But like you say this must be freely accepted and carried out by us.
@Red Uzumaki, except free will isn't proven. As far as we know, we could be biological robots.
@ALargeRacoon, i think you are wrong there. I could choose to do anything i want within my physical limitations. I have never tried to do something only to have been stopped for no apparent reason. Btw saying something cant be proven is not evidence to say something is or isnt. Thats like me saying if an apple detaches from a tree it will fly. Prove to me it wont. Prove to me gravity wont exist tomorrow.
@Implicit88, but why do you choose to do what you do? Take a skeptical account about decision making. What makes you choose the way you do?
@ALargeRacoon, so you are basically trying to say we aren't sentient? a compilation of my history (nurture) and genetic factors (nature) determine my decision as well as everyones. Theoretically speaking if we were to copy and paste this universe with the same exact factors everything should happen the same. However, this doesn't mean we don't have choice. You could argue that what is being sentient (machine vs man) and i can easily counter with being sentient is impossible
@Implicit88, you have to be sentient for nurture to come into your decision making. But our sentience is only your brain taking in and processing information from sensory organs. Your decision is just what your brain processes to be done.
@ALargeRacoon, not necessarily. Ai's learn from the data they are given. Given ais are very specific right now one could argue that we will eventually have an ai that can make decisions regardless of the type of data they are given.
@Implicit88, what evidence do you have to support that? I think a better direction to go would be how do you think we are capable of having free will?
(edit: Or, what makes us capable of having free will?)
@ALargeRacoon, i dont have any evidence i could point you to at this second but the nature of what makes an ai an ai is they. An take data and make decisions. An interesting thing is one ai was showed how to play mario. Its goal was to pass levels and not die. The ai quickly learned it could theoretically never lose if it leaves the game paused forever.
@Implicit88, poor decision on the ai's part as it fails to pass levels at that point. Unless it beat two levels then paused completing the defined objective of beating levels (plural) and not dying while being paused.
@Red Uzumaki, I'm Mormon, we believe the same thing.
@Red Uzumaki, I really don't know what I am; I'm not an atheist as I believe that there is a God or higher power that exists. Neither am I Catholic or Christian and anything in between. But your comment on the issue makes perfect sense. He did give us free will, and whatever is 'wrong' with society, we've brought it on ourselves. IMHO, there is no perfect religion. However, there is a greater good that all religions want to accomplish. But to adopt yourself to a religion, you must adopt yourself to it's demons it creates. And it all circles back to that free will that God has granted us.
@ALargeRacoon, i believe its only goal was to not die then pass levels. So it achieved its main goal.
@Red Uzumaki, (also a Catholic) thank you for trying to explain, it is a deep theological question many have that isnt easy to answer. The foundation of God is faith in God, you cant have faith without free will to chose. God wants us to choose him without seeing or him intervening. Free will gives us many options, good and bad.
@Red Uzumaki, no one gave us free will. Our brains are wired just like animals. The need to eat, kill, make shelter and procreate. There’s no magic behind it. It’s just how our brains work in order for us to stay alive.
@madeyoulook2, again, I agree with the point on free will but God most definitely intervenes. If you don’t consider the incarnation, literally God becoming man to call us to himself, an intervention then I don’t know what else.
@HammerOfHerertics, I know thats why I say it is not an easy topic to discuss. I just mean he does not do it just so we choose him on that vs. free will/choice.
@Red Uzumaki, as a former Catholic that is a stupid argument to just say “free will” and poof, God’s suddenly not responsible for his own supposed creations whilst supposedly knowing what will happen if he creates things in a certain way and if free will means we can change the universe that this creator made then we are just as capable of changing the world as god would be and thus god becomes obsolete as we can alter the world irrespective of the will of the imaginary creator.
@Soser5, I no understand the big wordy words you use on my small wordy words. I’m someone who believes in a higher power not a higher educated atheist
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Oh yeah. I forgot how natural disasters are human’s faults
@K1l, darn, you beat me to it, but I will also add things such as diseases/illnesses
I don't understand this meme and I'm fine with that.
Yeah humans are responsible for diseases and natural disasters. Oh wait, those would be God's fault if he existed.
Thank God I'm atheist
Because there is no god.
Because there's nobody on the other end he's not nor has he ever been there
God was bored and wanted to watch a drama.