For people who claim they want equality, sjw feminists sure seem to think that they're superior to everyone else.
@Marida Cruz, Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I'm being repressed!
@Marida Cruz, their idea of equality is the oppression of men the same way women were for most of history in their minds it’s only fair
@eleven, well if they think that's fair, maybe they should let black people falsely accuse them of crimes and lynch them. After all, by their standards, it's only fair.
@Marida Cruz, I never claimed they were intelligent just my observations
@eleven, I completely understand.
1. Show up at bake sale
2. Claim gender fluidity and that I identify as female at bake sales
@WelI Obviously, then you can buy it as a woman and sell it to yourself as a man and profit
@eleven, the claim that women have been oppressed by men throughout history is nonsensical. The claim that no women were allowed to work is factually untrue, they were simply expected to raise the children once they had any, while the husband was expected to do whatever work he could get to support them financially.
I will be blunt. Either you’re an equal rights activist or you’re a Feminist. By definition a feminist fights for women’s rights. An equal rights activist fights for both men and women’s rights.
If you’re going to exclude anyone’s rights (to include men) then you can’t claim you’re fighting for equal rights.
That includes a bake sale for EQUALITY.
@Imaginaut, I don’t know if it’s even correct to talk about fighting for ‘rights’ in the West any more. Equal rights are enshrined in law now, so it’s more about fighting to change attitudes I guess. But “I demand you think differently” doesn’t sound as morally high-groundy as “I demand equal right”.....
@Nellybert , you say that, yet the government actually discriminates against men now.
@Doctor Krieger, Yeah, it’s all a mess. In the UK (and I assume the US is similar) the actual law basically says “you can’t legally discriminate on age, gender, race, sexuality, or any other shít like that” - but then some parties get in to ‘positive discrimination’ and it all get messy.
@Nellybert , Yea, same in the US. They use loopholes like affirmative action, “diversity hiring” and the like to discriminate against what they label as “oppressor” classes(white men basically) by making it easier for people who aren’t that to get hired.
@Imaginaut, Before we hate on feminism, it IS actually defined as the practice/belief of equality between men and women. Unfortunately, there are groups of people who call themselves “feminists”, but actually practice misandry (putting men below women)
We should be hating on the sneaky misandrists, not the word feminism
@SilverGoldfish, feminism has NEVER been about equal rights. It started as a female superiority movement and continues as one. Running a female superiority movement to elevate women’s rights to the point of men’s made sense when there were rights that men had that women did not.
It’s what even you would call ‘actual feminists’ (no true Scotsman fallacy aside) that promote shït like “25% of homeless people in the USA are women, and we need to help them” while completely ignoring that the other 75% are men.
No feminist organization pushes forth ideas that are about equality. Not one. They’re all about equality from the point of view of women.
Look at the feminist study that ‘revealed’ that 1 in 5 college girls are raped. They asked 100 women if they’d ever been touched in public in an unasked for way, didn’t ask any men the same question, and conflated that to the 1 in 5 figure.
How about the ad campaigns telling men not to rape, as if the majority of males are barbaric animals?
@SilverGoldfish, the cunts have long since taken over the movement, and the feminists who are genuinely in favour of gender equality are being bamboozled to support an ideology that is not about gender equality.
Feminism is the idea that women can have everything that men have and also be treated special at the same time. It’s a superiority movement and always has been.
@I Are Lebo, I was just stating the official definition of the word feminism. You can look it up if you’d like, it’s a fact not an opinion.
@SilverGoldfish, and I was referring to the actions of feminists, which matter far more than what a feminist managed to get put in a dictionary.
Actions speak louder than words.
It is your opinion that this definition is accurate, and that opinion is not based on reality.
@I Are Lebo, words are words friend, if they don’t fall within the definition of feminist, they are not a feminist, no matter what they call themself
@SilverGoldfish, who do you think wrote that definition? Seriously. Work through your own logic here, because it doesn’t hold up.
Because going by your logic there isn’t a single feminist organization that is run by ‘actual feminists’.
Do you think that people who fight for the type of thing in the picture aren’t feminists just because their tactics are misguided? Most of them think what they’re doing falls within your definition of feminism. Who are you to tell them they’re wrong because a book disagrees with them on the tenants of their ideology?
@SilverGoldfish, definitions change over time. A dictionary is not what determines what things are, it’s simply where we record the common accepted definitions.
Dictionaries dispute each other all the time. Language evolves, and so do social movements.
@I Are Lebo, that’s just it though, the definition is dying. And i know real people who use the word to imply equality and that’s awesome. But if the rest of us just throw these people in with misandrists then we accidentally lash out at feminists fighting for equality, people who we should be encouraging because they’re doing what’s right.
There are plenty of organizations that misuse the word, it does not give us all an excuse to misuse it as well.
@SilverGoldfish, there’s a reason why so many people refer to feminism as ‘cancer’. It’s not being used as a euphemism for ‘bad’ or ‘stupid’. Feminism as a social movement has ALWAYS had a tumour inside it. A significant portion of even first wave and second wave feminists did not have equality in mind in the true sense.
An eye for an eye is not equality, especially not when you’re taking the eye from the great grandson of the man that took your great grandmothers eye. Metaphorically.
The leadership and a significant portion of the vocal feminists today are not arguing for equal treatment measures, they are arguing for special privileges. Like the ability to criminally charge people for being rude to them (catcalling), or to have science and biology take less priority than their feelings (Health At All Sizes).
Feminism in its third incarnation has been completely taken over by the cancer of female superiority. Many people, both men and women, who truly believe in equality are being
fooled into going along with practices that are not egalitarian in the slightest. Many of the woman who protest male speakers as misogynistic hate speech spreaders have no idea they’ve been lied to about the content or character of the speaker.
There are many good people who think that Jordan Peterson is a transphobic, hateful person. They’re wrong. Because they’ve been consumed by social cancer. So they won’t listen to him to see that they’re wrong.
Feminism isn’t a single organization. It’s a social movement that self contradicts constantly, and pushes its ideology everywhere. The Miss America pageant no longer judges beauty. A beauty pageant will now be about ‘inner beauty’. Forget about all of the woman who’ve worked for years to try to get into the exclusive club by strict dieting and exercise regiments. It’s not ‘feminist’ to allow a woman to voluntarily choose to join a pageant.
The ideology is filled with double standards. You only have to look at how feminists treat women
who don’t toe the party line. There’s hundreds of examples of this, especially with female celebrities.
Just google ‘feminism attacks women’.
Just so everyone knows, the whole women make 75 cents on the dollar is not real. It comes from averaging the incomes of all the men and averaging the incomes from all the women. It doesn’t take into account what job they are in. And whether it sounds sexist or not, women tend to choose lower paying jobs. It isn’t as if women make less than men do when doing the same job at the same company. The real issue is why women are choosing these lower paying jobs. Is it because they offer more benefits such as time off so they can spend it with their families, is there some sort of genetic and biological reason for it, or is it that society pushes women towards these jobs. If we keep attacking unequal pay as the problem nothing will get fixed because it isn’t a real thing. The real issue needs to be determined and then solved, until then there will be no progress. (Sorry about the long post, but I think this is a big misunderstanding that a lot of people have.)
@Ashaman, if the issue is that more women prioritize their personal lives, whether it’s their families or just themselves, more than working 80 hour work weeks to progress in a corporation, then nothing needs to be fixed.
Having woman as a homogenous entity be earning the same as men as a homogenous entity is not worth removing the freedoms and personal agency of individuals.
It’s a stupid way to look at the world. Men and women should be cooperating, not competing.
@I Are Lebo, I wasn’t saying that if that is the case it is a problem. I’m just saying the problem isn’t what many people think it is and we need to understand the situation better before going forward.
(Also I agree with you)
@Ashaman, I was agreeing with you, not arguing against you.
@Ashaman, yep and also add that women take more part time jobs or job shares because they have kids to care for. I’m not saying it’s a legitimate reason but it is a reason. It’s so easy to reduce this 75% line to “men do it on purpose” when it’s nothing to do with that. Also, women are less likely to play hard ball and negotiate higher salaries
What will they do if I identify as a women ?
@kingkoopa, One lot will accept you, the TERFs will reject you, then the two lots will spot each other and forget all about what they were doing so they can focus on fighting with each other over who is morally superior.
@kingkoopa, 30 cents because you’re brave.
@Nellybert , and you can make off with the baked goods in the melee
Feminism is a disease seriously. Just don’t ever pay it any attention or support it.
Question: How does the thought process of a woman work? Answer: Same as a man’s, except they lack reason and accountability.
Can someone re-do this with the Senator Palpatine-Darth Plaguis irony meme?
I would just take my girlfriend and have her buy a bunch of stuff for me, then I'll turn around and sell it for 85 cents to the guys, and show them how capitalism and the real world works.
Let's show everyone true equality by discriminating against males by charging them more than women! Ha ha!
I would walk up, pick up a cupcake, drop two quarters, and leave with it.
First wave feminism was about true equality. Something i can understand and agree with. Now its not just eliminating the seeming "wage gap" (that doesnt exist because you cant equate one job to another if they are in different fields or ranks. Aka nurse to engineer or secretary to accountant) plus getting rid of fenale bias in a courtroom where the woman almost always wins the court case simply because they are a woman. But "New-age" feminism is simply placing females in the complete superior position of power and reversing the current status but without men having any benefits that women have in current society. Its a joke.
Just say you identify as a woman check mate feminists.
@anal bayonet , is an anal bayonet a buttplug with a spike attached to it, or a spike designed to be used on anuses?
It’s almost like they’re trying to point out the absurdity of a pay gap hmm... I wonder why feminist fighting for equality would do that hm... nope can’t figure it out
@Beede, what makes you so sure they thought it through to that degree?
@Marida Cruz, because most feminist aren’t the raging overreactive idiots most people make them out to be
@Beede, oh, I'm aware of that. It's just that I've become incredibly cynical towards this sort of thing due to the wrong kind of feminists also being the most vocal, as well as the least reasonable.
@Marida Cruz, that’s fair but I think it’s important that we not let a movement which is reasonable and in many ways necessary be shadowed by fringe groups no matter how loud they might be
@Beede, I understand that as well, and am all for supporting the feminists who actually believe in true equality, and who do research so that they can act upon the real facts to do something. However, the sad fact is that the majority of "feminists" that you actually see or hear anywhere on the news or on the internet are the type of people who seem to be offended by the fact that men exist. As such, I take everything like this image with a grain of salt.
@Marida Cruz, i mean I don’t know why you’re surprised that the media gives more time to loud angry people instead of actually feminist, TERFs drive their ratings up and for those who see the movement as a threat it becomes quite easy to dismiss the group if you make those loud/ridiculous fringe groups representative of the movement
@Beede, when did I ever say I was surprised by it? If anything, I fully expect such ignorance from th modern media. Like I said, I'm cynical.
@Beede, first wave feminism was something I could get behind. Feminism now is different. There is no right they don’t have that a man does. Most in this wave of feminist now think they are valued higher than a man, not equal. This picture shows that.
@buzz killinton, Let them pay less - but tell them that in return it’s smaller, made by a less skilled baker and may be less tasty as it took a period of time off before the sale so it could watch the more recent generation of muffins being baked.
But ya know, only if they think that the reason behind disparity matters more than the attention grabbing headline.
@Beede, there is no pay gap, only an earnings gap.
@Beede, the pay gap wouldn't exist if men and women pursued the same careers
@Jeremy Williams, there is no pay gap, there's only an earnings gap.
Also, women work fewer hours on average and take time off to birth and raise children.
@Doctor Krieger, pay and earnings are terms used interchangeably
@Jeremy Williams, no, pay and wages are.
The gap is in earnings, which is affected by specific job path, job experience, and hours worked/amount of leave time taken.
@Doctor Krieger, earnings, wages, and pay are all interchangeable. I suggest you purchase a thesaurus or, better yet, avoid getting combative over semantics in the first place
@Jeremy Williams, didn't seem at all combative to me, only truthful
@Ken Jeong Un, imagine if it could be both...
Wages, earnings, pay, it's all the same. Starting an argument over something so petty is downright childish.
@Jeremy Williams, typically pay is used when referring to the amount of money you get paid per hour or your salary and wages would be the same as that, but earnings is typically used, at least in the studies used to "prove" a pay gap, as the amount of money earned over an entire career
@Beede, what's absurd about the wage gap?
@buzz killinton, feminism isn’t really all that different now accept it’s about intersectionality, and how compounding identities can lead to different stigmas that affect people’s lives in different ways, and while on the books women have the same rights as men in America, it doesn’t mean all that much if it isn’t in practice, not to mention there’s more to feminism like women’s health right’s for example one thing most feminist take issue is that in this country tampons are considered a luxury item and have a luxury tax on them, when they are clearly very necessary, however Viagra the boner medicine does not share that same tax when it is clearly a luxury. So while by law women and men may be equal there are still disparities in the way we treat women and men, especially when those women are POC or lgbt+
@Beede, in nearly any court case, the judge always give the woman custody of children. Even if the situation showed they are not better suited for it. Do feminist talk about how that is not fair? We can both find topics which does not seem fair to both sexes, but that doesn’t mean men have more rights “in practice” as you say. The only feminist that aren’t complete hypocrites are feminist that are fighting for women’s rights in other countries where woman truly don’t have equal rights. Unlike America or other first world countries
@buzz killinton, I mean feminist absolutely fight for men’s rights to custody, the also all about making the voice of male victims of domestic abuse/sexual assault as well. Feminism may have started out being about women’s rights/equality but it’s grown to be about much more than that, it’s about equality for all women, men, and children, of all colours, backgrounds, creeds, and nations so I don’t really know how that’s hypocritical. Also just because you have equal rights doesn’t necessarily mean equal access so I’d say america still has quite a ways to go it’s self, it’s made great progress but it’s far from done
@Beede, you can say that. It sounds nice. The fact is I have never in my life heard a feminist fight for men’s equality in any regards. I didn’t say the country was perfect. I just said we have equal rights here, which we do
@buzz killinton, if you’ve never heard that from a “feminist” you’ve never met a feminist, feminism without intersection isn’t real feminism
@Beede, it’s ironic these feminist that care about men’s equality so much as you describe have a picture under which we are commenting about having them pay more for the same product. “Feminist care about men’s equality” is an oxymoron in today’s wave of feminism
@buzz killinton, it’s called satire, the idea is its ridiculous to charge people different prices based on gender in the same way that the pay gap is ridiculous
@Beede, these feminist charging men more is a solid fact. The pay gap is not. There is no pay gap. It’s proven men work more hours. That’s why in general they get paid more. Women in general have more time off then men, for maternity leave, which they also do not take into account. So women charging men more because they work more? Is that what equality is about?
@buzz killinton, that’s not what the pay gap is my dude, it’s also very much documented, what the pay gap refers to men being payed more for the same work, and sure you argue that more men are CEOs/CFOs/presidents but that’s not for a lack of trying it’s because integration of women into management has been slow, ill give you that it’s not a 25 cent difference but it should be 0
@Beede, and I could argue predominately more woman are in the healthcare field, and that’s not from a lack of trying by men. Studies show woman are more content than men. Some lack the drive that men do which will result in less management positions. Which is just true in nature, men are just more competitive and want to compete. You can see that everywhere. That’s not a dis on women. They excel in other areas as in traits that help them more in the healthcare field that men do not have. Men and women are just different.
@Jeremy Williams, wages, or pay, are the rate at which you earn money. Earnings is how much money you earn in a given period of time as a function of how many hours you've worked or what value you provide.
The difference in terms here is the same as that between miles per hour and miles traveled. It's not semantics, it's an important distinction.
Women have more or less identical wages to men, they're paid at the same rate as men for a given job (with few exceptions), but they also have lower earnings due to working fewer hours and choosing career paths that involve less risk and reward.
The anti-feminists on this app crack me up.
@ios11, the SJW’s on this app amuse me more
@I Are Lebo, Stupid Jealous Whiners? Yeah they’re pretty funny too. But not as much as the anti-feminists.
@ios11, the wage gap isn’t real, this isn’t a rape culture, affirmative action is racism, transgenderism is mental illness, and non binary isn’t real.
@I Are Lebo, wow never have a I seen a human ostrich before. But there it is. I think I’ll just marvel at it.
@ios11, oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to check my privilege. I didn’t remember that being white, male, and cis means that my opinion isn’t worth as much as a REAL person. If only I hadn’t colonized the planet that rightfully belongs to womankind, and enslaved so many brown people. I just enjoy benefitting from a society that treats blacks and women as second class citizens, without granting them any advantages over my fellow white men. It’s just so fun I can’t help myself.
Also there’s no practical difference between “coloured person” and “person of colour”. We don’t rank words by their order in a sentence.
@I Are Lebo, didn’t say you couldn’t have an opinion. You can have all the wrong opinions you have want. I can tell by your demeanor that you don’t care about facts, you just like your opinion and nothing will ever change it. So I walk away from the conversation having actually seen a human ostrich. Enjoy your walled off opinions no matter how misguided they are.
@ios11, that’s hilarious, considering that while what I said was purposefully inflammatory, absolutely none of it is false.
The wage gap is a purposefully misleading number conflated to mean oppression when the opposite is the case. Women have the choice to work, that doesn’t mean they have to. The assumption that women earn less than men on average because of sexism or discrimination is baseless. Women aren’t paid less for the same job. That’s a flat out lie.
The USA is not a rape culture. Demanding the same level of proof of a crime as any other crime doesn’t make western culture a rape culture. Saudi Arabia and Syria are rape cultures. Women are raped as punishment there. Rape is a crime here. The unfortunate fact that rape is difficult to prosecute isn’t the intentional act of some shadowy Patriarchy.
Affirmative action is literally prejudging people based on the colour of their skin. A Princeton study shows that black students have dramatically lower requirements to get accepted into places like Yale or Harvard than whites, and Asians need an even higher score still. This system accounts for nothing but race. That’s discrimination based on race. And if you’re one of those idiots that thinks that racism is based on power systems, it’s the university doing this. A powerful institution using its power to discriminate based on ethnic markers. Affirmative action is racist even by THOSE standards.
Transgenderism, AKA gender dysphoria, AKA Gender Identity Disorder, IS a mental illness. It’s not psychosis, but it is a direct result of something in the brain not working properly. It’s more like dyslexia than schizophrenia, but the point is that it is a mental ailment to have your mind and body images not match to the point of suffering.
As for non binary, there is not a single shred of data supporting the existence of a third gender. Not a third sex, not a third gender. It’s people who want to stand out because they have a pathological need to be special and are acting it out. Biologically speaking, it’s nonsense. Psychologically speaking, it’s insanity. I mean that literally. Taking the stance that identifying as something you are not causes you to become that which you identify as is taking the stance that reality is irrelevant. Down that road lies madness.
@ios11, oh, and one more thing. Ostriches don’t actually stick their head in the ground. That was made up by cartoonists.
Please grab my calculator some sh!t ain't adding up
TBH I'd rather pay the full dollar;
I hate having extra change in my pockets
Anyone ever consider this might actually be a meta-statement based on the inaccurate statement of how for every dollar a man makes, a woman makes .75?
@Kaji, doesn’t seem likely. It’s still self defeating, unless they don’t enforce it.
I believe the term they were looking for is Equity not Equality