I think if you watch past these two pictures you’ll find that he really came to regret that brief moment of anger
On another note, geez guys it’s been seven months you can stop complaining about The Last Jedi now
@YUNoJump, it also skips the part after the first picture where he literally almost kills his dad just a few hours later. Ha ha!
@YUNoJump, legitimate criticism =\= complaining. Movie had some serious issues. Still fun, mostly, but others out there can articulate the problems better than I.
@YUNoJump, Hey, strange request: do you happen to know the tag number for the girl on the big pink yoga ball? You got too comment and I’m trying to find it and can’t.
@YUNoJump, well Rian Johnson wont shut up about it so I doubt anyone will...
@YUNoJump, plus the fact that he had that moment showed that he's just as flawed as his father and that the dark side can twist the minds of even the most powerful and seemingly virtuous jedi. But no, let's just view characters the way they were written 40 years ago and not let them evolve...
@DietAdam, Yeah but his dad was an evil space nazi responsible for genocide and his nephew was a troubled kid who was almost executed for thought crimes.
@YUNoJump, 7 months? Stop complaining? You’re new to how fandoms work, aren’t you?
@TheColossalTitan, the point was that Luke saw the exact same potential for evil in Kylo, and very briefly thought that it’d be better to kill him now than risk that happening again. Half a second later he regretted it deeply, enough to become a hermit for the rest of his life. As it happens, kylo did in fact become that same evil as well.
@YUNoJump, Still, thought crimes. Death for thought crimes.
And it was Luke’s action in large part that helped push Kylo over the edge.
I don’t like, nor will I ever like how they portrayed Luke in that movie.
@YUNoJump, The main problem is that Instead of letting the new characters be excellent on their own, Disney instead decided to ruin the old characters. This just highlights the problem. Let me ask you something. In any other movie, let’s say A karate movie, when has a Sensei Ever gotten his ass kicked by the first student who put on their white belt? Never?!? Luke Was supposedly the strongest Jedi around. Snoke was apparently afraid of him, despite Luke losing a fight to Ray— Ray who literally just picked up a lightsaber. Luke was so little of a threat, he ended up basically killing himself. -No real threat to anyone. Despite the last movie making it a plot point to find him. Terrible story writing, look up Chekhovs gun. Not the only offense either. Ray’s family also got pushed to obscurity.
People would have the same problem if Luke kicked Yoda’s ass in the old movies. Luke was literally only in the movie to show how much “better” the new characters are. Bad story is bad.
@TheColossalTitan, by a veteran who saw the same thoughts in his nephew as the evil space nazi responsible for genocide he fought back in the war... Ha ha! It reminds me of the whole killing baby Hitler thing. If you had fought in WWII and then had an extremely good reason to think an innocent kid would do something like Hitler did, wouldn’t you have at least a moment where you consider killing the kid?
@DietAdam, There is an infinite difference between hindsight knowledge and a gut feeling. No I wouldn’t think to kill a child because he COULD turn out to be another Hitler.
What possible “extremely good reason” would you have to think that? And also, opinions and mindsets are able to be changed and shaken. If you would kill a child before extensive efforts to change them and prior to them committing ANY negative actions apart from having bad ideas, you are an evil psychopath.
@DietAdam, Also, we are prone to mean or even evil ideas from time to time. But thoughts and actions aren’t the same thing. How many people have thought about beating someone up or killing them when cut off in traffic? Or when someone betrays you in a significant way? We can have evil thoughts that don’t manifest in action. Actually executing someone for evil thoughts is an evil act.
“Kylo is thinking of hurting people, thinking of hurting people is evil, better kill him. Whoops, I thought of hurting him, better kill myself.”
It’s nonsense and I don’t understand how people can defend it.
@TheColossalTitan, ha ha! You’re taking this way too literally with the Hitler thing. Luke saw something that obviously terrified him through seeing into Ben’s mind (not necessarily just dreams). Not normal spider land on you scared, but shaken to the core scared. He ignited his lightsaber as a reaction not an action. I think that’s extremely clear in the film. He admits to regretting letting fear influence him later. The Hitler analogy was more to give a possible reason to the reactionary mindset of Luke at the time. Much like the reaction to loud sounds from some veterans. If you can’t understand basic human reactions and the conditioning that causes them, then I don’t expect you to be able to understand or defend the scene.
@DietAdam, Again, thoughts. Almost murdered a (then innocent) person for thoughts. Everyone has bad thoughts.
It’s just dumb.
I do “understand basic human reactions” it’s literally my job. Just stop, you sound like a pretentious knob.
@TheColossalTitan, Not thoughts. Visions. He is a space wizard. There’s more possibilities in the Star Wars Universe than in the real one. Also, like you’ve said “ALMOST murdered”. Well, actually it would be better to say “thought of murdering” since there was no attempt made. Again, he showed extreme remorse for that. I sound like a pretentious knob? Go look in the mirror, my friend.
@DietAdam, *looks in mirror* Oh yeah, I like what I see!
And yeah I get that there are more possibilities in the Star Wars universe, that doesn’t mean I have to like or agree with what they did to Luke. Nor do I have to think there is anything justified or righteous about it. I still think it’s evil, and it’s something that Luke would never do.
And it is but one of many reasons that I will never watch the film again.
@TheColossalTitan, Lmfao! Whatever, man. You do you.
This is exactly why Mark Hamill hated the way Ryan Johnson had Luke written in TLJ, it's just not Luke
@Medic135, but we already know that mark later changed his mind on the writing and came to agree with it
@YUNoJump, Mark got yelled at for publicly disagreeing with a director, forced apology through his teeth (Twitter) if I've ever seen one
@Medic135, from what I can tell he apologised because his comments undermined pre-release confidentiality, but he said in an interview that he believes leaving his comfort zone on the character turned out to be a good thing, because it led to unique ideas (ie not another generic benevolent Jedi master). The apology does seem pretty generic, but I don’t think it’s fair to just assume that he’s definitely lying about his opinion changing, especially seeing as he described his thought process in an interview and such.
Or... here's a theory.... maybe Snoke was manipulating both Luke and Ben.
To Luke: Watch out for your nephew, he has amazing Force abilities, he's going to turn to the Dark Side and destroy you!
To Ben: Watch out for your uncle, he's jealous of your abilities, he's going to destroy you before you can reach your full potential!
Luke stands over him with the lightsaber, finally driven to the point of murder by the voice whispering in his mind... and he hesitates. This is his NEPHEW, the son of his twin sister and his best friend, the innocent child he's known since birth... how can Luke possibly kill him? What if the "vision" is wrong?
At that moment, a voice in Ben's mind screams out, "Wake up! Wake up or you're going to die!"
And the rest you've seen in the movie. There. There you go. Quit your incessant bellyaching.
Is this Star Trek?
I love consistency
Luke turned to the dark side, as did his father before him, as did his nephew...damn those Skywalkers, souls have killed them all ages ago