unpopular opinion: I think the best explanation of God includes him giving up on/getting bored with us
@InsaneWolf, to be fair, if I was in His shoes, I'd have given up on us a long time ago.
@InsaneWolf, I like the simulation theory.
@InsaneWolf, my idea is that god is so pridefull in his creation, soo much that he believes it is perfect.
@InsaneWolf, To sum up the Bible-
God: Ok here are some things not to do-
Humans: We already did those things.
God: *punishment mode acticated*
@Mattizzle9, but we created pizza.
@BigJohnson86, true, but we also proceeded to put pineapple on said pizza, soooooooooo yeah.
@InsaneWolf, I’m partial to the idea that another being (likely 4th dimensional, which explains our ability to have “seen” the deity and then they’re nowhere in sight) placed ya here in our microbial state just to observe how we would grow outside of the original, natural habitat. Similar to the Futurama episode “A Clockwork Origin.”
I prefer the explanation that God made us with free will and loves us too much to take that away. But he could stop all of our suffering if he did took it away. But he has faith in us that we can choose to do better and he just has super patience for us to improve.
@SirLoveday, What about all the countless suffering that isn't caused by other people? (natural disasters, diseases, etc.)
And so you believe your god is so nice and patient with us that an innumerable amount of lives have been wasted or spent needlessly suffering at the hands of others, just so eventually people may get the hang of it?
@ A Sad Blow Job, homework sucks... it helps you improve. Exercise is awful. You literally have to create micro tears for new muscles to grow back stronger. Have we considered that god doesn’t care about humans so much as he cares about humanity? Internment camps were a bad time for America but.... we learned. Now we know to be outraged when people start heading in that direction. We should be ashamed that it took that to teach us but... we have learned. Perhaps, the same way that you don’t stress over a skinned knee, god doesn’t stress over a few cancer patients? ... Just a hypothetical mind you.
@Canis Arktos, okay, but then you don't get to turn around and claim this god is a benevolent arbiter of mortality. If I see a person collapse in front of my house, and I have the capability of doing something to help this person either personally or calling for assistance, and I choose not to in hopes that other people walking by will stop and help and learn something for the future...you would consider me an immoral monster (amoral at best).
@ A Sad Blow Job, I’m inclined to agree with your first statement. If what I said was true, you can’t call him benevolent or the perfect idea of morality. Still, the rules he has supposedly handed down to us are frequently pretty ok. That whole, don’t kill, don’t steal, avoid being greedy or covetous. Even the whole monogamy thing, while perhaps slightly unnatural to the human condition, has probably helped to avoid many types of jealous violence and general negative feeling. Could even help with keeping cousins from boinking. So I guess I’ll say that while god himself may not be perfect, it doesn’t invalidate the possibility of him as a creator or giver of good advice (occasionally)
@ A Sad Blow Job, no. I wasnt actually sharing my beliefs on God. Just saying which one of those shorthand theories on God that I liked. I wouldn't want to start that sort of debate on funnypics. But if you must know I do believe in God but not one that can be framed into one of those pithy statements.
Btw your example about morality doesn't match up because it forces a limited perspective on why one capable of preventing harm wouldn't intervene, and limits how they would intervene
@SirLoveday, and I was simply asking the questions that are raised by your "theory". I'm sorry you don't feel those "pithy statements" frame your god correctly, but based on what you said, it does.
Can you be more specific about my mortality example? Because while it may not be perfect, I don't see how it isn't accurately analogous to the parameters that had been set in the god example.
God must be really bored being all-knowing. I keep wondering how it makes mistakes when it already knows what's going to happen before it does it. It made humans just to kill them later with a flood or plague.
@sr2029, when someone put the question of “all knowing” and simultaneous “free will” to me, it got me thinking. Maybe god is really like our parent. If you ask a parent of a 30 something year old (because by this point they have been the parent for a while) they can say with confidence whether their child will, for instance, drink at a party. They can say with confidence whether they will talk to members of the opposite sex. They didn’t make them do it but they’re smart and know their child well. Perhaps god is all knowing... if he thinks about it.... perhaps he knows we won’t do our homework but still let’s us make the mistake to learn and grow. Perhaps.... he’s really freaking bored but we’re still the best toys he has.
Suffering is a state of mind. Buddha knew he was gonna die when he ate a plate of food that had gone bad. And still he was like ok, guess I'll just f*cking die now.