SHALOM MOTHER FUVKER!!!
@megamanx181x, imagine bombing Isreal with a Jewish Missile
I disagree with Shapiro on abortion, but the guy is pretty respectable.
He avoids rabble-rousing and keeps his controversial points concise.
@sploot, i forgot the term for it, but he talks about things he doesn’t understand sometimes by just sounding smart and not actually know much about it. Google a bit, hes done it a few times. But I’d prefer more conservatives like him, not bat shït and actually makes the effort to find out facts more often than not. I’d take his ideology over trumpism any day
@sploot, if by precise you meant tells facts that are not facts and purposely misinterprets data, then I fully agree.
@Implicit88, please indulge us on that facts he misinterprets
@TheSecretSavage, literally everything about Bernie Sanders’ platform
@sploot, im happy that he will concede there are times that abortion "should" be an option. I disagree on how limited he would likely have it though.
@Guy Fawkes, He states his view on abortion is mostly due to his religious beliefs. Not justifying it but that’s why he’s so stringent on that topic
@HomosexualSayWhat, i understand, i listen to him almost daily. But that is in fact why i was so "thankful" (it feels a strange way to descrobe it) he is even willing to say there are times he agrees theres options
Notice several people downvoted me but nobody actually challenged what I said
@Shroominator, because you said "literally everything". Shapiro literally didn't. But everything he countered about Bernie is right. Socialism is morally wrong. You take something from someone and give it to someone else.
Other wise known as stealing.
@TheSecretSavage, I will concede that I should not have said literally, but he does misinterpret most aspects of it. already we can see that Shapiro is operating under the false pretense of conflating socialism with democratic socialism. No matter what he tells you, there is indeed a difference.
Socialism is, by definition, a post-capitalist market where all goods are pooled and wealth is eliminated (basically like communism, and basically as you described). Sanders however is a democratic socialist, which despite the name actually has more in common with capitalism than socialism. The primary difference between it and free market capitalism is that the market is more heavily regulated to prevent abuses and social programs such as education and healthcare are beefed up and funded by taxes rather than by private or out of pocket expenses
Another libtard rekt
It's a greentext meme
I am personally amazed how as someone on the left he keeps finding these issues from the left that I have never heard about and giving them the old what for with his clever wit.
Shapiro: ha ha I've shown you libtards on this thing that you are all up in arms about because it's identity politics, aren't I clever.
Libtards protesting government corruption: what's he on about now?
@Formless, except the problems he points out are real, I theorize you're either very uninformed or just aren't as left as you think you are
@Medic135, this is the equivalent of saying a very real problem on the right is the neo nazis and the kkk, even though it's a very small percentage of the right and constantly bringing up the kkk as gotcha things. Because those problems are real and maybe you just aren't as right wing as you think you are
@Formless, I’m a centrist, I don’t agree with everything he says but he is a worthy news source from the conservative perspective and is kinda hilarious to boot
@Formless, no I'm pretty right wing, but mainstream right wingers denounce the KKK (but the KKK does exist yes), and most mainstream left not only won't denounce antifa and the generalized violence and nonsense lately, but encourage it!
I hope you don't take my words as personal insults, I'm not saying your uneducated or anything I'm sure you're a smart cookie
@Medic135, the right wing mainstream is kind of iffy on denouncing things like neo nazis, there's the rather infamous very fine people on both sides comment. And in general the rebranded neo nazis are constantly given platforms for their rhetoric. @sven and otar im not saying he's alex jones level of disregard but he gets super loud when he gets a chance to stick it to a liberal often times associating fringe movements and identity politics and treating it like the main topics of progressives. And then gets super quiet when the right is engaging in hypocrisy or identity politics of their own.
@Formless, I don't think you follow him very well, and I mean why would you. Ben has called out plenty of conservatives president Trump's included for hypocrisy among other things, famously doing so very loudly as you say at the conservative political alliance conference this past year
@Medic135, calling out trump is such low hanging fruit. But yes it's true I don't really follow him, I lost a lot of respect with the Cortez thing, namely she accused him of being a bad actor and taking things out of context, to which he replied by taking a part of her response out of context and making it about identity politics.
@Formless, he offered to donate to her for a quick debate and she won't do it, have you listened to her? She's got one too many chromosomes floating around seriously, Trump says some things that make me blink twice but he at least has some intelligence in certain fields mainly money, I'm not sure she could open a double hinged door
@Medic135, if you think trump understands money it's clear you aren't paying attention. Trump is fantastic at self promotion, that's about it. He knew how to take advantage of a system that assumed rich people were better in every way and ran with that narrative. He doesn't understand financial dealings he just bullies people around and buys things, borrows money and buys some more. Shapiro offered her money to debate, so what? She didn't accept he started complaining until he got a response so he could take it out of context. She's not always well spoken, and she's not always right. But given that Republicans hate her, corporate Democrats hate her, and mainstream media dismisses all that she says and all of them focus on her faults to an extreme. What about the time Shapiro ran an article with the headline that a Muslim activist calls for the dehumanization of Jews. Turns out she actually said people need to stop defending the Israeli government massacre and subjugation of palestine
@Formless, it is disingenuous for you to claim that right wing mainstream doesn’t denounce neo nazism. Donald Trump is not main stream right wing, and on top of that, left wing labels EVERYONE they don’t like as a neo nazi. Hell, there’ve been how many times that Milo Yannapolous has been accused of being a neo nazi? A gay Jew that likes black dick is not a neo nazi because he holds conservative views.
I have seen many high profile right wing pundits condemn neo nazism. I haven’t seen any high profile left wing pundits condemn antifa.
@I Are Lebo, glad to see ya! Back me up here buddy
@I Are Lebo, probably cause there really aren't any. What people think are the left wing pundits like CNN and what not are corporatists and barely left wing, once again mostly about hating trump, pushing identity politics, and driving the corporate agenda. Groups like the young turks have actually gone on to condemn the antifa violence instead promoting peaceful protests. But im sure you also missed the reports of paid plants in protests who blend in and push people to violence and commit violence themselves.
@Formless, you need to actually do your research. TYT have defended antifa on multiple occasions. They also defend Islamic violence, and Cenk is an Armenian genocide denier.
@I Are Lebo, yes they defend antifa, because being opposed to fascists isn't a bad thing. People are so clueless about antifa, they think all antifa is are black bloc protestors in antifa. Antifa is a vaguely organized group that seek to oppose fascism. The black bloc protestors who think capitalism is fascism and just go around breaking things and rioting are what tyt condemns. But another group finds politicians who are active members of the kkk to expose them. There are many other parts of antifa so there fact that people only know about the part of violent protestors shows a lot about the coverage of left wing groups. Also cenk is sitting next to an Armenian while denying the genocide, you just gobble up the propaganda don't you. Surely if he's a young turk he denies the Armenian holocaust, try doing your research. It took me 5 seconds to find a libertarian website that tries to spin it but still admits he at least is currently not a denier
@Formless, if you think antifa are actually opposed to fascism, then your understanding of fascism is as bad as theirs is. Deplatforming people, staging protests and making demands to prevent people from speaking, and using threats of violence to get your way are all fascist tactics. Antifa is a fascist social movement that seeks power over anyone they disagree with and that doesn’t cease to be true because you want to claim that the hundreds of black masked people ‘aren’t actually antifa’.
They protest people like Sargon of Akaad and Milo Yannopolous as being neo nazis or racist demagogues.
Opposing fascism with fascist tactics does not reduce fascism.
@I Are Lebo, once again, deplatforming is condemned. However protesting and having an opinion about someone are perfectly allowed. And just because milo is a gay jew doesn't mean he doesn't support those views or at least isn't willing to whore himself out for it. Go check out the video of him singing for a bunch of white supremacists doing the nazi salute while he sings for them. Not concrete evidence but sure as hell doesn't look good.
@Formless, I don’t think you understand what trolling is. The man is a professional provocateur. Pissing off people like you is literally his job.
More importantly, it’s not “having an opinion about someone” when your response to a right wing speaker being invited to your university is to bring a bunch of people into the auditorium and scream and chant so that no one can hear the speaker.
They did this to Jordan Peterson too, and if you think Jordan Peterson is a white nationalist, you’re literally retarded.
@Formless, and who exactly is condemning deplatforming? Because every left winger I’ve heard was pleased about Alex Jones being deplatformed from all the major social media sites, and all of them would be pleased as punch if Twitter banned Trump.
@I Are Lebo, it's easy to make assumptions isn't it, they were pleased that alex jones got deplatformed because there is a decent chance his hate speech caused actual attacks. But they condemned the method in which he was deplatformed. It should have gone through due process. So yeah basically as a provocateur as you call it here gets an easy scapegoat to the fact that he is being a whore, just has to say he was trolling.
@I Are Lebo, And that’s the hypocrisy because the right wing labels everyone they don’t like as a liberal. How’s that any different than the left wing labeling everyone as a neo-Nazi. His whole point is that both sides do it. Both sides are hypocrites. And then they go around claiming they don’t do these things and that the other side is worse.
It’s sad that the political party’s want to justify their hypocrisy and make it seem like two wrongs make a right. It’s gotten especially bad lately when as they try to divert blame or attention away from themselves when they are in trouble.
@I Are Lebo, opposing fascism with fascist tactics does not reduce fascism.
You are correct. But have you noticed that when something bad happens and a Republican like Trump is in the spotlight for something they did. They immediately use the tactic of bringing up something the Democrats or Hillary did. That’s a very similar tactic to what you just said. If it’s OK for one side to do it it’s OK for the other, is what someone is saying when they use this form of diverting blame or attention. And that’s why I like pointing out hypocrisies to people who don’t realize they are hypocrites.
@Seohn, the right wing morons who label people they don’t like as liberals are just as retarded, because liberalism is a good thing and the people arguing for censorship are NOT liberals. There is nothing liberal about trying to remove freedoms, just like there’s nothing progressive about race based double standards.
Both sides are responsible for the schism is society, yes. The left provides the authoritarianism, and the right provides the antagonism.
Diverting attention from your problem that you don’t want to address is not fascism. Cowardice, yes, but not fascist. I recommend you do some research of your own, because you’ve misused a few terms, there.
@Formless, Alex Jones is responsible for the actions of Alex Jones. It is every bit as foolish and irresponsible to hold Jones liable for the actions of his listeners as it would be to hold Bernie Sanders responsible for that lunatic who shot up the republican baseball game.
Hate speech is not a real thing. Being hateful is not a crime, nor is being a douchebag. Alex Jones is a moron and a dipshït, but the concentrated effort to remove him from as much of the internet as possible is only a sign of things to come. I don’t give a damn about Jones, I care about the precedent this sets.
Much like how pissed I’d be if Kavanaugh had actually been dropped from consideration. I don’t care about him, either, but if the precedent had been that an allegation without proof would be enough for you to be punished, we are all fücked.
It’s short sighted thinking. These standards can be turned on you just as easily, your words can just as easily be relabeled hate speech.
@I Are Lebo, I in no way said that diverting attention away is fascism. I don’t know how you interpreted it that way. I said just because one side use that tactic doesn’t mean it’s OK for the other in other words. Or diverting attention away is bad. Because as the saying goes. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Which was my whole point.
Literally my whole point was that both sides do it and both sides are wrong for doing that. And that neither side sees how hypocritical they are.
And I agree a coward is someone who can’t admit to their mistake and tries to divert attention away.
@I Are Lebo, when you say hate speech isn’t a real thing you’re also saying inspirational speeches aren’t a real thing.
Yes each person is responsible for their own actions. But people can use words to convince others or rile others up that leads them to do things.
And as much as I hate to use this as an example you are saying that Hitler didn’t convince people to do things with his speech’s When you say that someone’s words don’t drive other people to perform actions.
You are saying every politician doesn’t rile people up in their base with their speeches to go out and vote and support them.
Now if you want to debate what defines hate speech that’s a different story.
@Seohn, that’s not what I said at all. There is a significant difference between calls to violence and hate speech.
Let me put it in blunt terms. “I hate nïggers” is not the same thing as “let’s go kill nïggers”. Hate speech is a nebulously defined term that can literally be applied to almost anything. It’s a meaningless term because it is entirely subjective.
As for inspirational speeches, that’s a bait and switch tactic. I’m talking about speech, not public speaking. That’s like comparing a bar brawl to a boxing match. Apples and oranges.
As for the fascism/hypocrisy thing, I misunderstood, because you brought that up immediately after referencing my point about fascism. I agree that the right and left wing mainstream are primarily comprised of hypocrites, and that’s why I am neither a republican nor a democrat.
@I Are Lebo, Many groups define hate speech differently. Me personally though I think something is definitely hate speech when you call violence against another group of people. Anything beyond that can be harder to define and separate from free speech.
Saying you do not like a group of people, while not a good thing. Isn’t really hate speech. It’s just being a douche to that group of people. However when you speak to a Large group of people. You should also be aware that there are others who are going to take your words out of context. And although that’s not your fault and doesn’t mean you spoke hate speech. If you continue to blame a single group of people for every problem that pops up. You continue to give the crazy people who just need that little nudge more reason to act in violence.
In other words, words have power. Tone makes it even more powerful.
And I think that’s why Alex Jones came under fire. Anytime I had seen him he sounded really riled up.
@I Are Lebo, I think the other reason Alex Jones came under fire is because he was sort of a snake oil salesman. He would make wild claims in order to sell products.
Do I think he should’ve been banned? I don’t know. But I do believe bans should be applied fairly. And if you ban one that does that kind of thing then you have to ban all.
@Seohn, well, yeah. His whole shtick was the angry conspiracy theorist. You get that the majority of his audience tuned in because he amused them, not because they used him as a legitimate source of truth. He’s basically a living meme.
If it’s not illegal or prohibited for tv ministers to claim that God is going to send us to burn in Hell if we don’t send them money, it shouldn’t be illegal or prohibited for Alex Jones to tell us the government is going to put chemicals in the water to turn the frikkin frogs gay unless we buy his products.
The proper response to his claims about stuff like the Sandy Hook ‘false flag’ is to sue him for libel, not deplatform him.
The fact that different groups see hate speech differently is exactly why it’s a valueless term. People say that when Ben Shapiro says that transgenderism is mental illness and he’s not going to refer to a man as a woman just because that man wants him to is hate speech. People say that Jordan Peterson advising boys to not be
ashamed of their own masculinity and that maleness is not toxic is hate speech.
Hate speech laws like the ones in play in the UK are antithetical to free speech. There is no free speech if someone taking offence to your words can penalize you for it. Roseanne is a great example of that. She made a rude joke at the expense of another actress. It was implicitly racist, and because of her ‘wrong-think’, they canceled one of the highest grossing television programs.
That’s not free speech. That’s not freedom.
@I Are Lebo, You make a valid point and I think that’s the big misunderstanding between the two different groups. The people that tuned into him as you said were amused. And I think that’s why when people label people like John Oliver or the daily show as liberal news networks. They don’t get that those shows are just supposed to be funny, not news.
I sometimes wonder if that’s where the real divide is. The sense of humor between the different groups are different and neither side understands the others sense of humor and takes it seriously or how they could find such and such thing funny.
For example I sometimes have a dark sense of humor and many people don’t get that.
@Seohn, there’s also a double standard regarding those types of shows, as well. John Oliver is roughly equivalent to Steven Crowder in terms of their job, yet one is seen as more reasonable than the other.
The irony is, I used to really like John Oliver, but he’s gotten really preachy lately.
Also Trevor Noah is an absolute moron who has sunk forehead deep in propaganda and emotional manipulation rather than actually seeking truth. I have respect for John Oliver even when I disagree with him, but I have contempt for Trevor Noah.
@I Are Lebo, I agree. I think they overreacted with Roseanne. While I don’t remember entirely what all was said or how she responded. If she apologized they should’ve just left it alone. Because not only did them canceling Roseanne because of her speech hurt Roseanne but it also hurt everyone that worked with her on the show.
That was a gross over reaction. I think the biggest problem right now is that people no longer accept apologies. And when someone is unwilling to accept an apology they are no better than the people who insulted them.
American has really moved away from, “two wrongs don’t make a right” and “turn the other cheek”. And seems to fully adopted “an eye for an eye.” that’s what’s really wrong with the US today.
@I Are Lebo, I haven’t watched any of the more recent John Oliver shows. I liked his previous shows though as he seemed to do a lot of research into the subject matter that he talked about. And would just make jokes throughout what he was talking about.
He brought attention to things that I didn’t know were happening. Like the way we dispose of nuclear waste. And how for the last 40 or 50 years we’ve been saying exactly the same thing in the news that they are eventually going to fix the problem. . . yet never have.
@Seohn, indeed. As for Roseanne, she tweeted an insult at a black actress, comparing her to the female lead in one of the Planet of the Ape movies. It was taken as her comparing black people to apes, but in truth the actress she was referring to actually closely resembles the character in terms of facial features.
What pisses me off isn’t the zero tolerance towards anything considered offensive, it’s the double standard by which it’s applied. A sexist or racist tweet against women or blacks results in bans and public outrage, but that same courtesy is never extended to men or whites. The #killallmen or #nationalcastrationday hashtags go out regularly from blue check accounts, and nothing came out of Sarah Jeong’s four years of explicitly racist tweets against white people, yet people are literally fired all the time for inappropriate tweets against ‘people of colour’ or ‘minority groups’.
The idea that it’s not acceptable to call a black person an ape but it’s totally fine
to openly call for the extermination or extinction of white people at large is something that I find infuriating.
@I Are Lebo, I agree. I really do not like double standards. Which is why when I see any post online that has it. I almost always post a comment questioning whether not they are fighting for equality or self interests.
Racism applies to all things that are racist. What I mean is that when one group gets a pass to do something because of their race. That is racism. By the very definition of racism.
You either fight against all racism or you’re not fighting against racism. You’re fighting for self interest. And that’s what I tell them.
Here’s a racist thing that happens every day but isn’t heavily criticized. Only white people can sit at the front of the bus. Is no different than. Only black people can use the N-word. So many people don’t realize that this is by the very definition, racism. They are exactly the same. But they don’t see that. And that’s where the double standard lies.
If the word is not racist when used in a certain context. Then it applies to every race. . . .
@I Are Lebo, . . . And I know what I said about racism sounds harsh or off. And that some people will say one is worse than the other. But it’s one of the very few things that I believe it’s all or nothing. There is no, someone is slightly racist against that group of people. Slightly racist means they are racist. And because of that I think all forms of racism should be treated equally. No one, is worse than the other.
I know I kind of went a little off topic when I posted these two last post. But that’s because, though not directed at you. I know there are people out there who claim there’s no such thing as a double standard. And to them I say they are wrong and this is how and I’m sure many others define it.
The reason they don’t think there’s a double standard is because they don’t see it and they don’t understand what it is.
As a side note look up “Tim Minchin Prejudice” on YouTube if you have that kind a sense of humor. I thought it was funny.
@Seohn, yes, EXACTLY. That is EXACTLY what I have been arguing for. Being told that you can or cannot do something because of the colour of your skin is racism, pure and simple. Comparing levels of racism is a waste of time, I’m only interested in standards of acceptable behaviour.
The idea that white people cannot speak to the topic of racism or race based discrimination is itself a racist viewpoint.
I don’t think you went off topic at all. It’s the same with sexism. If a man hitting a woman is inherently worse than a woman hitting a man, then the sexes are not equal and should not be treated as such. If it’s the responsibility of men as a monolithic entity to protect and provide for women, then it’s women’s responsibility to handle the home aspects of life, including cleaning, cooking, and child rearing. But if that second part is a sexist viewpoint, if expecting women to do ‘women work’ is sexist (which I do think it is), then it is equally sexist to expect men to put women first
and slave away for them.
There are mainstream feminists who legitimately argue that fathers are unnecessary and obsolete. These same women get entirely offended when it’s brought to them the evidence of the clear correlation between single motherhood and high crime rates.
It’s hypocrisy on a number of levels.
@Seohn, can I just say I'm really happy to see a debate online go with this level of civility? I think everyone should read this lengthy post. Pretend I high fived you guys! Oh, and Agree to you both on double standards
@I Are Lebo, ^
Hebrew hammers? More like Hebrew accounts am I right? Up top... wait you don’t get it either? Damn it Todd I thought you knew,that’s why I made the joke.
@kdogzzs, might as well name them Jesus Killers
They’d have to redesign the tip, tho
Ben Shapiro, what a vile piece of cr@p
@SaltyVanillaSteak, i mean, this post isnt vile. Idk much about him, what makes him so bad?
@Genesis Rhapsodos , he's basically a just well-spoken Jew and pretty moderate conservative that has a show on The Daily Wire. The lefty-loos like to pretend that he is a Nazi.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, take a good chill pill with some tea. Don’t take everything so seriously.
@Doctor Krieger, tbh thats the impression I got. Anyone that calls another human vile without stating the justification is just showing us that dank Ad Hominem
@Genesis Rhapsodos , the guy hates on minority’s, hates on the lgtb community. Spouts comspiracy theories and just general d-bag of a human. But I like how immediately it’s perceived bout being lefty loos from a previous commentor. Read up on the guy and he’s to racist for me and to much of a dog Whistler. Just scum some of the stuff he has said.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, Im the uninformed party, but stating your opinion without providing context or examples isnt how you win me over. Its just more ad hominem
@Genesis Rhapsodos , very true and I appreciate the comment on that. I can see the error on my part on my original comment.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, hey! You're an honorable dude, and I respect that!
@SaltyVanillaSteak, he doesnt hate on any community. Certainly not the LGBQ. And hes jewish so he kinda gets a pass on not liking muslims very much, nit to mention that their a pretty shítty culture everywhere they hqve any power. Whqt in particular yave you disagreed with hes said? Before you perceive me in a way that i am not id also like to say im not truly left nor right, im bi and im pro choice but im also pro gun and want a secure border (not anti imigration but very much in support of makig sure that we are only accepting good candidates)
Ive just always perceived him to be very cool and blunt, not any more or less disrespectful than the majority of his peers.
@Genesis Rhapsodos , he's all over YouTube if you want references but I had this one saved. He's not racist. Racists don't passed the front door in politics, people are just called that these days for political purposes.
@Guy Fawkes, I find him to be offensive and he goes against a lot of what I believe in and hides his racist and phobic discussions behind the veneer of free speech, maybe vile was to strong or in looking at him through a different cultural lens. Because what he says and stands by is not really acceptable from where I’m from.
@Guy Fawkes, but I respect your opinion eh
@Genesis Rhapsodos , he's not a "Nazi," however he is a dicj in my opinion. I've seen a few of his shows, however the one thing that just put a bad taste in my mouth was when he talked about trans, with a trans on the show. She wanted to be called "she," and specifically asked to be called this, however at every corner he would say "him, his," and such. To the point where the hosts had to basically ask, "wtf dude not ok why are you being a prick?" All he does is insults. And I mean don't get me wrong he has freedom of speech but he just doesn't seem to give anyone respect.
@Youtuber, he addressed the dude by his biological sex to make a point, the same point that Jordan B. Peterson was making. Being a prick is making your own mental illness the burden of everyone around you.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, what specifically has he said?
@Doctor Krieger, hey man if I asked you to call me "Shawn," and you called me "Randall" over and over I'd be pretty pissed off with you. Especially because he was told by both the woman AND the hosts, "hey man call her a "her." He was told to do this out of respect multiple times.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, what I’m about to say regards most of the comments you posted and I mean what I’m about to say with the upmost respect (is that the proper term?)
It’s perfectly fine to be upset at someone, but it’s not when you reason your opinion by insulting him. I don’t like Ben Shapiro or what’s his name either, but yelling about it to others the way you did doesn’t really make people agree with you. It works better if you voice your opinion calmly while trying to be respectful as well, it makes it much easier to listen to your argument and make its more likely that whoever reads your comment will come around to your way of thinking.
If anything I said sounded rude at all I apologize, I’m not an English major, and I didn’t mean for it to sound that way. Have a nice day!
@SaltyVanillaSteak, aw f*ck, I just gave you lecture and then saw your “I can see the error on my part...” comment, my bad. I’ll leave my previous comment as a tip for others I guess.
@Hackerman, no I agree with you, I just don’t like the guy or anything he stands for. And hey you know what some times we just need a polite discussion to see what’s around us.
@Doctor Krieger, it’s funny that they call the jewish guy, that doesn’t like trump, a nazi and alt right.
@Richard Cypher, apparently anything short of having apopleptic fits at the mere mention of Trump is considered to be unwavering support of Trump.
@Doctor Krieger, I respect you as a fellow commentator that I have followed for awhile. It was my mistake for getting into a political comment with an explosive comment. I won’t get into spilt milk with you. It’s not political just a personal preference when it comes to people like Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson. I’m taking it like a split lip and putting the face shield on so I can get back on the ice. Cheers eh
@SaltyVanillaSteak, guy, you do realize we can go up and read your previous comments, right? You're fooling nobody.
@Doctor Krieger, your a d1ck then. Read my previous comments, go ahead. I have no love for your ideals or culture but this is a community and if your to jaded to step up and take a compliment then don’t be so emotional
@SaltyVanillaSteak, You're sat here in bad faith trying to save face. What you said was absolutely political and libelous. Just own up to it. Don't pretend like we're being unreasonable in having lost respect for you.
@Doctor Krieger, dude I make my point known and I’m not saving face. Your a d1ck who hides behind the caricature of a nazi from a cartoon.
@Youtuber, violates the first amendment. He actually did not insult Zoey (Bob) Turr, just referenced by biological gender. It did not justify the threat he put on Ben when he grabbed his neck and said he send him home in an ambulance and the rest of the members thought that was justified. If you tried to call me by a different name, does that give me a right to assault you if than name offends me?
@SaltyVanillaSteak, I watch the guy all the time, he's none of what you want him to be. Maybe you ARE the lefty loo who's mad about who knows what
@Guy Fawkes, you and I could be such good fvcking friends
@SaltyVanillaSteak, where your from issssss California is Canada. You can't just call Doc Krieger a dick because he pointed out the massive dick you already were here today, that's not how that works. Like how everyone you dislike is not a racist nazi
@Medic135, we are :) but i know what you mean, ive found the same thing to be true more and more here lately
@Doctor Krieger, a Jewish Nazi ain’t that one h*ck of an oxymoron
@SaltyVanillaSteak, I have a feeling if it were just some random person making this statement you wouldn't have a problem with this upload, and might have gotten a smile out of it.
@eleven, Hey, it’s what Roseanne tossed out there about George Soros.
@Doctor Krieger, I mean, on the flip side, anybody who mentions universal healthcare or free tuition is often immediately equated with Stalin, so that pendulum kinda swings both ways. Both sides of the political coin (which is sadly still so two sided in the majority’s eyes) are sensationalized relentlessly.
@SaltyVanillaSteak, I follow Ben Shapiro and I have a lot of respect for him because the truth matters more than what people feel about it. The truth is that you don’t know what you’re talking about with Shapiro. I’m willing to bet that you saw him being an asshole and stopped actually listening to him.
Because Shapiro is an asshole. He’s a self professed asshole. This doesn’t make him wrong. “Facts don’t care about your feelings”.
Shapiro is a part of one of the smallest minorities on earth. Jews make up less than a percent of the population. ‘Hates on minorities’ is an ad hominem attack based on nothing.
As for the lgbtq thing, it is not hatred to acknowledge the fact that the trans community has a higher suicide rate than the prisoners of Auschwitz did, or that those numbers don’t get better post surgery. Transgenderism is mental illness, but people confuse this line. It’s not psychosis. Gender dysphoria is an identity disorder that causes suffering and it is not helped by people
playing into delusion. As well, that incident with Turner didn’t happen because Shapiro kept calling him ‘him’, it was after Shapiro asked what Turner’s chromosomes are, and the response was unasked for physical contact and threats of violence.
There are whole groups of people who are campaigning to make it illegal to misgender someone. That means the end of freedom of speech. If you don’t ascribe to the belief system that gender is subjective (it’s not), or that there are many genders (there are only two) then you could soon be at risk for legal retribution. That’s an unacceptable situation.
He’s not a racist or a bigot, you’re just offended by blunt honesty.
@Doctor Krieger, he’s pretty much a more mild form of trump. He’s trump like with how he talks but appears to be scientific to people that aren’t intelligent. I had an argument with a friend about him and was able to disprove 10 of his facts with data very easily.
@I Are Lebo, humans created gender stereotypes, so a notion that this can be a mental illness is not correct. For example, why cant a boy like the color pink? We created these categories, the only thing natural is being born male or female. Not converting to social norms is not a mental illness. Dementia is a mental illness, identification is not.
@Implicit88, of course a boy can like the colour pink. It doesn’t make him a girl. You show a near complete lack of understanding on this topic. We did not invent gender. There is undeniable differences in brain chemistry between men and women, and putting on women’s clothes and makeup does not make you a woman.
This is the result of a blurring of the terms gender and gender expression. Gender expression is literally nothing more than fashion. People can wear whatever they want, but pretending to be a woman doesn’t make you one any more than putting on a tri cornered hat makes you Napoleon.
Ideally, we will one day invent actual transformation technology so that people can genuinely be whatever they want to. That day has not arrived. The technology does not exist to make a woman out of a man.
@I Are Lebo, the differences are based on male vs female, not on gender. I am fully aware of these. Isnt pretending to be a woman expression of how your “soul” feels? Wanting to change to something you are not is not a mental illness, in that case, anyone with any type of makeup or doing anything to physically change would be mentally ill. Also, even in brain chemistry it is wildly different just among men and that difference actually evaporates quickly when you look at unconditioned kids. Kids learn to act a particular way based on the current standing in society. That is to say most men act this way, so naturally, they gravitate that way. The term gender is used in social context as opposed to biological ones.
@Implicit88, “the differences are based on male vs female, not gender”
What do you think gender is?
Seriously. You need to go educate yourself on this topic, because your argument is predicated entirely on ignorance. Wanting to be something other than what you are is completely normal. Pretending to be something you are not is EXACTLY what mental illness is. It’s a rejection of reality in favour of fantasy.
The idea that you would compare putting on makeup with surgically altering your own body to look like a different body shows you are wholly uninformed on this issue.
What does a ‘female soul’ feel like? The idea that one feels like the other gender is nonsensical. It’s identity disorders combined with envy.
I’ve struggled with my own gender identity for most of my life. I attended trans groups, and I have had trans friends and acquaintances. I have the personal experience necessary to tell you in no uncertain terms that you do not know what you’re talking about.
@Implicit88, you fail to understand this issue on both the basis of biology and psychology.
@I Are Lebo, the definition of gender is in terms of cultural or social norms. Sex is biological. One is static the other is not. You are like the guy 50 years ago that said being gay was a disorder when it clearly is not. Not all trans people get surgery, not sure why you make the assumption they do. Most don’t actually. By soul i mean personality. Personality isn’t a mental disorder in itself. Mental disorders cause changes to personalities. Altering yourself to different degrees is exactly my point, where do you draw the line (according to your point of view)? Why differentiate between surgery and not? Hopefully you can get this point. Your main assumption is pretending you are not x for y means you have a mental illness. By assuming this you also have artificially created barriers to what x is. X doesnt need to fit your descriptions or biases, x can be its own person. We are born empty bags and fill them with associations and experiences, these are who create x.
@Implicit88, 1: gender is the psychological aspect of sex, it is not about societal norms. That is factually incorrect.
2: homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon prevalent in every mammalian species and also some birds and reptiles. Transgenderism is unique to humanity.
3: Soul and personality are not interchangeable terms, and neither are gendered.
4: I never assumed that all trans persons have surgery and I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth.
5: Mental illnesses often manifest through alterations in personality. That is precisely how we diagnose things like bipolar disorder.
6: It’s not about the limit of self alteration. Riley Dennis is a man who wears his hair long and dresses like a woman. He hasn’t altered his body at all. He is not a woman because he feels or self identifies that way. Reality is objective, not subjective. Otherwise there is literally no differentiation between the sane and insane. It’s an untenable worldview.
7: The barrier between male and female is not artificially created, it is biological. Until such day as the technology progresses to the point of being able to manipulate ourselves at the molecular level, it is not possible to change your sex. It simply isn’t. Pretending otherwise is insanity.
I can prove my point fairly easily. Trans racialism, and trans agism. Believing yourself to be of another ethnic background or identifying as another age is something most of agree is not sane. Yet EVERY argument against those things work equally well against transgenderism.
Look, I’m not arguing for trans people to not be allowed to live the way they want. Dress and act and self identify however you want, it’s no one else’s business. But when you try to impose your self identity on those around you, making it their responsibility to affirm your delusions, that’s not acceptable and that is you overstepping your bounds.
Especially when the ideology behind it is not based on reality.
@Implicit88, I think your mashing too many things together under the subtitle of "gender." Even if we go along with all that it is starkly unfair to expect others to follow your newly made up title rules. For example, what happens if I start calling women Wamen and Identify myself that way. I could get offended that you called me a woman instead of a waman, and you could be offended that I called you a waman and not a woman. The logic is peerly subjective to an individual and absolutely cannot be enforced on others without damaging their own rights.
@I Are Lebo, I am so glad you stated #1, I am tired of the word gender being redefined to fit this narrative. I also have nothing against trans until they start demanding me to obey their rules. What happen to "whatever floats your boat as long as it doesn't sink mine?"
@Dephenistrator, yes, that is the primary problem with this. People redefine words and then expect everyone else to just go along with it.
Like the intersectional feminist’s redefining of the word racism to be about power. It’s not any more or less racist for a white person to lynch black people for being black than it is for a black person to lynch white people for being white. The redefining of terms is a manipulative slight of hand meant to excuse one’s own bigotry.
The redefining of gender to mean a subjective interpretation of self identity is done to give delusions the same level of respect as biology, and that is nonsensical.
I’m not unreasonable. If someone looks like a woman, dresses like a woman, and acts like a woman, I’m going to refer to them as if they are a woman, what’s actually between their legs is none of my business. But I’m not going to refer to an obvious man in a dress as ma’am. If I’m not sure, I’ll either avoid the issue or I’ll ask.
@Dephenistrator, but under absolutely no circumstances will I ever seriously use the pronoun ‘Zhi’ or any of the other made up, nonsensical, ‘third gender’ garbage. I also refuse to be forced to use the generalized pronoun ‘they’ to refer to an individual.
No human on earth is genderless. No human who has ever lived has been genderless. This is simple fact. I have no more respect for someone who claims to be non-binary than I do for someone who claims that they’re the reincarnation of Abe Lincoln. It’s not based in reality, and is undeserving of respect or acknowledgement.
People can think of themselves however they like, but thinking yourself to be a special snowflake doesn’t make you one.
@I Are Lebo, exactly, I see redefined versions of racism all the time to shield a glaring double standard. "Oh you can only racist if your white." "You can only be racist if your race holds all the power or is a majority." "I'M [blank] so I can't be racist." All excuses for racist behavior by avoiding accountability. We shouldn't be ok with any kind of racism. On that note, why can't we just get along already? It's been so many centuries.
@Dephenistrator, because tribalism is reenforced by identity politics. The idea behind identity politics is that no one can break the mold. If you are a black accountant, you are black first and an accountant second. It’s an attitude that fosters divisiveness, not cohesiveness.
@Medic135, I stand by liberal views, Canadian morals, krieger promotes views that ties into his nazi avatar. Don’t be a lil sheep. Step up and maybe travel out of your county. Or look at the fact I don’t care. Womp womp womp
@SaltyVanillaSteak, yeah you clearly don't care, about any facts or any obvious truths. Remember buddy everyone you don't like is literally a Nazi
@Medic135, 💦💦💦 no one cares bud. Get bent and go wrap yourself in the flag. Need a tiki torch to see your way to the race rally?
@Medic135, it’s like 730 in the am where I’m at trying to sleep off a good night with the gf and your showing up 5days late defending some bull sh1t. I make it no secret who I am and that’s why I stand by my views. So just kick rocks bud, convo is over