A. That's assuming that Starlord punching Thanos wasn't part of the one way they could win in the long run.
B. This also assumes we weren't just shown the one time he didn't reverse time. We might have only been shown the "successful" attempt.
@ShinyMegaMetagross, I mean, as he was dying he said "it was the only way" so that's probably true.
@ShinyMegaMetagross, i just don’t get how his mind was able to handle seeing a million different scenarios at what looked like the same time. he’s still a human, right?
@ShinyMegaMetagross, I just don't understand how Strange will know that the future of Starlord punching Thanos will be one that they won. Since he lost the time stone. And if Strange did see a future where they won, why would he come back to the past.
@Dexios S Divine, he didn't see them all at once, he used the time stone. So what looked like a few seconds to us, to him probably felt like a much longer amount of time, he could have spent hours if not days looking at futures.
@ShinyMegaMetagross, Mainly, Dr. Strange didn’t have the stone on him at the time. He had concealed it in some way. Probably didn’t have time to do his little delicate pluck from the ethereal plane or some shît.
@Dexios S Divine, magic
@ShinyMegaMetagross, it could also be that that Thanos already had several of the other stones. So it could be that if he was trying to alter time the moment he pulled out the stone. Thanos would simply alter reality and take the stone.
I feel starlord saved them. It was part of the plan. Mantis couldn’t hold thanos forever, and he just sacrificed the only thing he loved to gain a stone. Dr. Strange had no leverage when he offered the time stone to thanos to save Tony. Thanos could have killed everyone to gain the stone. So imagine if he broke free from mantis and his gauntlet was gone. He would have stopped at nothing to gain it back. He beat hulk without using its power. So by starlord beating him back to himself there was a chance for strange to save tony, who will be pivotal to A4
@unknownhero42, they could've just killed him after removing the gauntlet
@Sexy Homunculus, typically when a person uses the infinity stone bad things happen to them. They need to handle all that power in that one gauntlet and it only fits Thanos.
@Cirno, who said anything about them using the infinity stones to kill him? They could've done it without using any of the stones
@Sexy Homunculus, that's their only shot though. Nothing else was working. This is the same giy who beat up the Hulk with such ease.
Best they can go for is the portals but even that's not full proof.
Also tis all part of Strange's keikaku
@Cirno, Stark could've easily killed Thanos by firing a laser through his skull or using any other projectile or gadget he had in his suit.
Also Thanos beat the Hulk because he already had the Power stone on his gauntlet. So once you've separated him from his gauntlet he'd be much easier to kill.
@Sexy Homunculus, He was using everything and he couldnt harm Thanos. Every attack they did basically totalled to that 1 point damage. Aka the blood
Nah it glows if he uses the stone. But in his fight with Hulk nothing.
@Cirno, because Thanos had four stones with him at that time, so with all that extra power Stark's attacks did little damage. Had they succeeded in removing the gauntlet then Thanos would've been much easier to kill since he would've been removed from the stones' powers.
The stones glow when they're being used/activated, and even just holding a stone grants the person holding it increased strength/power. Hence why he was able to beat the Hulk since the gauntlet had at least one stone on it
@Sexy Homunculus, actually we don't know if a stone on his gauntlet helps much. It gives him the ability to do a certain haxx bit otherwise not really. It's likely easier, but Thanos still whooped Hulk without a single stone being activated.
But then... Why didnt the stones never glow when he was beating up Hulk? Also the power stone is more about energy attack, surface wiping attacks, and beams.
@Cirno, we do know it helps because every time a stone is added to his gauntlet it vibrates and makes him shake as his body adjusts to the extra energy and power he's gained.
Just because a stone isn't glowing doesn't mean it (or the power it imbues its holder) isn't being used. Take Vision for example. He's able to fly and go through solid objects because of his stone, but it doesn't glow every single time he does that
@Sexy Homunculus, that's likelier to be the gauntlet itself getting accustomed to it since it is containing the stones.
The Gauntlet works in fundamentally different mechanica compared to Vision. Vision has one stone. The Gauntlet has more than one and if more than one stone are active it can even put stress on the user. In that case the reality stone would have likely prevented him from being mind haxxed on the first place if it was passively turned on.
@Cirno, the stones themselves (or at least the power stone) grant immense power to whoever holds them. This is clearly evident in the first Guardians film when it's shown the Collector's assistant holding the stone and she's subsequently destroyed by it since the power overwhelmed her. The same thing almost happened to Ronan before put the stone on his hammer. Had Gamora, Drax and Rocket not placed their hands on each other after she touched Starlord it would've destroyed him; he was only able to hold onto it for so long before they touched him since he's a half Celestial. That same stone was the one on Thanos' gauntlet when he fought the Hulk. Had Thanos used the stone's full power (and thus made it glow) he probably would've killed or severely maimed the Hulk. The Gauntlet itself is designed to let its wearer keep and operate the stones so that the person using it doesn't lose control and kill themselves.
@Cirno, The reason Mantis was able to mind hack him is because the other characters (after an immense struggle) were BRIEFLY able to subdue him which gave her a brief window to activate her powers. At that point his hands were effectively tied so he wouldn't have been able to use the gauntlet. It was only after Starlord began provoking him that Mantis lost her control which led to him escaping their grasp, recovering the gauntlet, and annihilating them
@Sexy Homunculus, Man weve been talking for so long lol. Actually really fun to debate again.
Anyway in that case... wont the whole argument fall since that means everyone who restricted Thanos is in total stronger than thr Hulk?
Hulk barely had the capacity to harm Thanos while everyone there used various gadgets and teamwork to win. Which is awesome but Hulk took out Surtur who is big as a mountain and wiped out Asgard.
@Sexy Homunculus, cause yeah if it's passive that kinda makes things conflicting since some of the Galaxy members harmed Thanos more than Hulk.
Meanwhile on the second... Huh. I agree. But yeah I dont think the other stones gives raw power like the power stone dkes
@Cirno, it's not so much that they're stronger, they just planned and thought it out more instead of just trying to smash him like Hulk did. Stark, Strange, and Parker are geniuses, so with their collective intelligence they crafted a strategy that was able to pin down Thanos. Still, it barely worked and didn't last long since Starlord lost his cool, but in the end it was more successful than the Hulk's attempt - I suppose you could say it showed the validity of the old brains over brawn adage.
Concerning Surtur he definitely is a strong and large opponent, but ultimately he wasn't defeated by the Hulk as we see him and Hela duking it out on Asgard as Hulk, Thor and the rest of the Asgardians are fleeing. Though if Surtur had that infinity stone he probably would've killed every single person there
On Surtur, Hulk still has enough force to make him stumble back. A very powerful feat. Him having the IS is irrelevant though rn.
Even with planning there is limitation to what they can do. So it is likelier that yes they pinned him down with their strategy... But the stones also dont passively strengthen him. Since that means he was equally pinned down by everyone despite being 2x stronger due to having twice the stones compared to when he fought Hulk.
@Cirno, Yes he stumbled back, but that doesn't mean he was defeated by the Hulk. Surtur and Hulk both have incredible strength, but they lack good battle smarts. Thanos on the other hand has more intelligence than both of them, so in a fight where he and Hulk are closer to each other in strength (provided by the power stone) he could easily defeat the Hulk. Which again goes back to the whole idea of using strategy to overcome your opponent's strength. Just like how a skilled martial artist can defeat a hefty bodybuilder who's even more than twice as strong as they are it made sense that Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Spiderman and the Guardians crew found a way to beat Thanos, which again would've succeeded had Starlord not gotten in the way and messed it up.
@Cirno, In his fight with the Hulk Thanos only had to battle against one single green guy who just throws a bunch of punches and kicks. On Titan though he was up against a genius industrialist, a wizard with an MD and Ph.D., a wiz kid with his own unique spider powers and gadgets and other steadfast fighters who were eager to kill him. While he did have more stones and thus more powers at that time the fact that he was forced to multitask in fighting numerous people who had strategically planned out their fight ultimately overwhelmed him and gave them a chance to neutralize him
@Sexy Homunculus, well he still had the capacity to harm a giant monster. Youre going to have to need to be able to do a lot of damage to do that. Even if youre smart something very strong is still powerful and can take you out.
I dont disagree with tactics not working. Especially when Tganos was mourning. But I disagree with the aspect that the stones are turned on all the time.
@Cirno, all Hulk did was hit Surtur and make him lose his balance, it wasn't enough to harm him in the sense that it hurt him enough to bring an end to the fight since we can see Surtur got up and was still fighting Hela as the Asgardians were flying off. And like I said in an earlier comment the stones don't have to be fully turned on/glowing to be used. Just like the Mind Stone doesn't glow every time Vision uses it to fly or walk through walls the power stone didn't glow when Thanos used the power it gave him to overpower and beat the Hulk. If he had fully used its power and made it glow he more than likely would've killed the Hulk and maybe even destroyed the ship they were on
@Sexy Homunculus, if he didnt hurt him, he wpuldnt reel back. There would be zero damage. Hulk has shown the capability to harm, but not fully combat.
You just have to show me a scene of Thanos using any of thr stones without them glowing and Ill concede. Vision is very different from the Gauntlet after all.
@Cirno, even if he did hurt him or at least make him feel pain it wasn't enough to end the fight which is the point I'm trying to make here. In a regular fight if you hit your opponent making him reel back and he feels pain it won't matter if he gets back up and then forces you down after he hits you and makes you reel back (which is what Thanos did to Hulk).
That scene shows him using the stone without it glowing, just like how Vision's stone isn't glowing whenever he uses it to do the things I mentioned in my previous comment. While it's true that Vision and the gauntlet are different that difference doesn't matter - both of them show that the stones don't have to be glowing in order to be used
@Sexy Homunculus, the point was to show Hulk is on that level. Not that he can defeat Surtur. For all we know he can, or he cannot.
And nah.. nothing's really popping. Also if he can passively use all powers there wpuld be no point to the plan to capture him and preventing him from wiping out everyonr. He had to clench his fist to make the stones glow after all.
@Cirno, Part of it too was that Hulk was already moving at a high velocity when he jumped and hit Surtur. His strength combined with his mass was understandably enough to make him reel back, not unlike a person reeling back if they had a baseball thrown at them and got hit in the face with it. Also I'm not saying Thanos fully used the power stone on Hulk; as we've seen in the first Guardians film just holding the power stone gives you incredible strength and power and it was that strength and power that he used to beat the Hulk. I just remembered too every time he adds a stone to the gauntlet the stone glows so it makes sense that each stone probably imbues at least some of its power into the gauntlet and thus the person wearing it, but he got the power stone before the start of the film so we never saw it get added. I imagine when he did add it it probably glowed and he could feel it increasing his physical strength which is what led to his victory over the Hulk
That is a major plot hole I've never considered
@Veraseth, I don’t think any of us considered this, and now that I’ve considered this I can’t stop considering this.
@Veraseth, not a plot hole, dude saw the one scenario that would have worked and arranged it
@Veraseth, it’s really not odds are Strange isn’t very good with the time stone considering the fact that he put it away at the end of his movie he might be out of practice and he may not be able to use quickly enough to reverse thanos with it not to mention thanos had the rest of the infinity stones and chances are if strange tried thanos would just reality stone it away from him
It was all they could do to scratch him, that tiny drop of blood. And he’d be super pissed after his gauntlet was gone. He’d be in rage mode. No one could utilize the gauntlet against him. I don’t think it would be easy at all
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Apparently the commentary says Thanos didn't use the power stone on him.
In that case of the velocity Hulk would have to be capable of taking hits on that level since hes slamming his body with that amount of force against Surtur.
@Cirno, was this meant to be a reply to me? Because I just watched that video and there was no commentary at all - it was just the scene from the movie.
As for the Hulk and Surtur considering Hulk jumped at him using his own strength and hit him at that velocity it's indicating he can withstand an impact that matches his strength, which makes sense since he's the Hulk after all. In that video you shared he's being beaten by Thanos since the power stone is giving him increased strength that outmatches the Hulk's. Again I'm not saying he's directly using the power stone - he's not shooting a beam from it or anything like that. As I said before the first Guardians movie shows the power stone empowers its holder with immense power and strength, and it was that power and strength (rather than a direct use of the stone itself which would cause a glow) that lets Thanos overpower and defeat the Hulk
@Sexy Homunculus, Whoops. I have no clue how that happened. Anyway-
I didnt say in the vid btw. Just in the actual commentary of the movie.
Again. No proof of power stone usage. Ronan wasn't punching down and smashing the ground with a crater. Heck he could've started off with that if he really could.
@Cirno, Ok you must not be understanding what I've been trying to say because I've already said multiple times he didn't directly use the stone to defeat Hulk. What I've been saying is that instead of using the stone to its full potential and making it glow which would've probably killed or crippled the Hulk by making a huge crater or whatever in his abdomen or head or wherever he hit him Thanos got an extra boost of power or energy just from having the stone being already on the gauntlet. So I guess you could think of it like Popeye eating his spinach and getting stronger from it (maybe that's not the best analogy but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say).
@Cirno, As for that link you provided it doesn't confirm anything. The screenwriter is basically saying Thanos didn't need to use the stone (in this case using it to its full potential by making it glow which as I've just said if he did it would've in all likelihood killed the Hulk) to win the fight, which I agree with. Even the point where he's saying he wouldn't have needed the stone at all to beat the hulk is a point I do think is valid. Like I said before he's smarter than the Hulk so I do think it's plausible he could've found a way to beat the Hulk, though without the stone it probably would've taken more time and energy to bring him down. Yet having said that the screenwriter said he only THINKS Thanos could do it and even acknowledges he "might be speaking out of turn", so he's not saying it's 100% without a doubt that Thanos could've beaten the Hulk without being in possession of the stone.
@Cirno, Anyway What I've been trying to say is that Thanos had an easier time beating the Hulk because he had gotten a boost of strength from having the stone on his gauntlet.
@Sexy Homunculus, no I get it. I get what you mean... But it also contradicts many many situations. All cases of ability use has Thanos making the stones glow.
Aside from Vision, whose Mind Stone works in very different settings since a gauntlet different from a robot.
All I ask is solid evidence or proof that Thanos ever used any other stone effect on someone at a much weaker state.
And the fact that if he could do even that, then the Avengers stopping him from closing his fist shouldnt matter because he can still do it.
@Sexy Homunculus, well that makes sense, also Ill shorten my paragraphs so we dont overflow this section. But unless there were any other case where Thanos can actively use the lesser version/non glowing effects of the stones, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with the aspect that Thanos can use the IG in the method you say
@Cirno, no you're not getting it. You're talking about ability use which would've been him punching the ground and leaving a crater and I'm not saying that's what he did. What I'm saying is that a side effect of holding the power stone (or at least placing it on the gauntlet) is increased strength, just like how a side effect of Vision's mind stone being on his head is him being able to fly. In both instances it's showing each stone still giving some sort of strength or superpower without employing it's ability use. Again it doesn't matter that Vision and the gauntlet are different since they both show you can use the side effect of each stone without making it glow, and unless you can specifically show how that difference would have an impact then them being different is a moot point.
@Cirno, The reason he didn't use the stones in a weaker state on other characters is because at that point he had to use the stones' powers in order to avoid being beaten. The Hulk wasn't much of a threat which is why he didn't use the stone's full power on the Hulk. And like the screenwriter said, maybe he could've still beaten the Hulk without having the stone at all. But when he went up against Iron Man, Spiderman, Dr. Strange and the others he had to clench his fist and make the stones glow because he had no other choice
@Sexy Homunculus, what? No.
I don't think we can validate anything Vision related since hes essentially robot Ironman with a mind stone that grants powers and is always on and keeping him alive. If it was off it means he's dead. The mind stone is a horrible example and also it working on Vision that way doesn't mean the same for the other stones.
What about the time stone. Space? Reality? Soul?
And there's no maybe. If Thanos really did permanently get stronger with physicality then there would be a clear reference to it.
There is no weaker effect. Otherwise the Avengers restricting Thanks from closing his fist is pointless. Theres no passive bonuses fpr any other stone with the exception of Vision due to it being his literal lifeline.
Why should the power stone be any different?
If anything its passive benefit would be the capacity to disintegrate yourself if you touch it.
@Sexy Homunculus, so basixally
Non-serious "Let him have his fun" Thanos and his allies trust hin to whoop the Hulk without using any of the stones = No glowy stones as he MMA beata up Hulk
Serious fight = Use all the powers he can.
@Cirno, 1. The mind stone is only part of Vision. They explain during the film that there's so much more to him than just the stone, and they even try to remove it from him when they take him to Wakanda. While it almost certainly would've resulted in him losing his powers the fact is he's basically Jarvis in a superhuman body so in all likelihood he would still be the same person just without the superpowers granted to him by the stone. Basically he would still be alive without the stone, otherwise they wouldn't have risked removing it from him
@Cirno, 2. "it working on Vision that way doesn't mean the same for the other stones."
That same logic could be applied to the power stone, at least in the sense that it works differently from the other stones in that it gives its holder increased strength when they have it. There may very well be similar effects with the other stones however at this point we've only been shown them being used with their main ability use. Or maybe the other stones don't and it's just the mind stone and power stone that have subsequent effects to the people using them. The latter is certainly possible based on what we've see in the MCU so far.
3. I'm not saying nor have I ever said he permanently gains strength from the power stone. It's only when he's holding it/has it on his gauntlet that he gets stronger. Remove the stone and he loses that extra strength.
@Cirno, 4. The passive benefit to the power stone is increased strength, however for a normal person all that extra raw power would disintegrate them since its concentrated in one body. Thanos puts the stone on the infinity gauntlet, a device specifically made for and designed to hold all of the infinity stones, so he can control that extra strength given to him without disintegrating
5. Your second comment is pretty much exactly what I'm trying to say. Because the fight with Hulk wasn't a serious one there wasn't a need for him to fully use the power stone. In the fight against the other characters on Titan they gave him a run for his money which required to fully use the stones' powers
@1 It is part of Vision. Aka his brain. The entire session at Wakanda basically involves him trying to get a new brain and safely move all the data so that he could survive. Thus him losing the Mind Stone, which is always on since human hearts and brains never stop functioning, meant his death. So yes you're right on the idea that it's possible for him to live without it. But that doesn't change the fact that his Stone, is always on and is thus always active, unlike the other Stones.
@2 See the thing is, each stone has a specifically different powerset. Have we been shown the Tesserect granting the power to deal more damage or does it rely only on spatial effects? Has the time stone improved Dr Strange's striking capability or durability? What of the Power Stone, does it have any non-power focused abilities? Heck it didn't even made Rohan more durable from taking a sucker punch hit at the end of GOTG 1.
Okay, no idea if my msgs are sending, I think we reached the word limit or something.
Anyway gonna try to tldr this
1) They're saving data (Jarvis) to another point. His stone is still constantly on because it's like a brain/CPU.
2) There's still more consistency on the fact that each Stone has different effects. Power stone doesn't even make Rohan more durable in GOTG ending even with the sucker punch effect. It's not passively giving any effects no matter what.
3) You still have the scaling of Surtur == Hulk
Lastly, and hoping this sends.
4) Still doesn't change the fact that it didn't really give Thanos anything aside from abilities he has to use.
5) So you agree with me on the fact that he didn't use any stones at all and it does not give any passive effects?
But in the end, my point is, there really was nothing Team Avengers could do to harm Thanos at all. Guy's strong and hyper durable and was only harmed by Thor. Everything that Avengers did only ended up with a drop of blood.
@Cirno, Yes, it's PART of Vision. Meaning it's not the only thing keeping him alive. And the reason he died was because Thanos forcibly removed it from him. If they had enough time then maybe Shuri would've been able to surgically remove it from him and keep him alive since she was doing so carefully, however when Thanos got to Vision he basically yanked it off his head and all that force destroyed him. It's like if you shake up a bottle of soda and immediately twist off the cap then it's going to make a mess, but if you take off the cap very slowly it'll prevent that from happening.
@Cirno, Of course each stone has a different power set. However it doesn't look like we've seen the full potential of every single stone, just a few of them being used in numerous scenarios. Maybe the stone that was inside the Tesseract can do more damage if used differently, and it could be that the Time Stone has helped Dr. Strange refine his skills. As for the power stone it just might have more unknown abilities that aren't fully power-related. But we do know the Power stone does provide its user with extra power/durability as a passive ability based on how it protected Ronan at the end of GOTG.
@Cirno, Seriously when they breached his control room Starlord fired an RPG at him, and even though it was a direct hit it didn't hurt him. Then Rocket crashed his ship in from outside and even that didn't hurt him. But then, even after Ronan's ship crashed which left the Guardians severely banged up despite Groot sacrificing himself to save them Ronan emerges from the wreckage on his feet without a scratch. Also there was no "sucker punch" inflicted on him at the end unless you're saying that to describe him being destroyed by the Power Stone when Starlord used it on him. If that's not it then you're either making that up or misremembering what happened.
@Cirno, Ok either you really aren't understanding me or you're just ignoring the point I'm making about the stones and the passive effects. I said Thanos did not FULLY use the power stone on the Hulk meaning he did not clench his fist and make it glow which I've already said numerous times would've resulted in huge (most likely fatal) damage to the Hulk. What I'm trying to get at is that due to the extra power/durability that the power stone grants its user (as evidenced by Ronan's near invulnerability shown at the end of GOTG when he had it on his hammer) Thanos had an easier time defeating the Hulk due to him having the power stone on his gauntlet...
...meanwhile on Titan if he only passively used the stones' powers (if the mind, reality and soul stone even have passive powers in the first place) then he would've been easily defeated. Instead he clenched his fist and made the stones glow because he was fighting numerous strategically inclined opponents who were coming at him with everything they had
@Sexy Homunculus, 1) Dude. He literally died when it was pulled off. Thats the same as the brain transfer mechanic. His brain is the stone. Youre right on the cola analogy but also more fitting... Downloading the files from a RAM or harddrive youre about to take out and then replace
@Sexy Homunculus, thats the key word. MAYBE.
But as of now we can only assume they give out the effects that they already have. And I just found the scene... He tanks it. Isnt it just idk a feat from being naturally durable? Or maybe with it being offscreen him blocking the attack? Because the power stone has been consistently not shown to block attacks.
Also the sucker punch is them blasting his power stone scepter. That was the sucker punch. How was that protecting him if it's passive in that case? Its more likely it was used activrly to defend from both blasts.
@Sexy Homunculus, No I get that. I get that he didnt take Hulk seriously. In fact Im willing to go as far as to say that he didnt even use anythjng on Hulk.
What I do disagree is the power stone passively defending Ronan, cause otherwise that last blast from Draxx and Rocket shouldnt have destroyed his scepter since he was hit by two explosions before. It's likelier to have been actively used.
I believe in Thanos going easy on Hulk. Not so much on the power stone having passive effects EVER. To clarify
@Sexy Homunculus, they... are questionable on even having passive effects.
Look. My final point is simple. The avengers have no chance of beating Thanos the moment he stopped sulking over Gamora's death. They were going from various directions with various strategies, but he was too strong and too clever with or without the IG.
Also Strange kinda has to force this to happen to make them win the long run
This latest response of mine is literally the only thing I want to prove.
@Cirno, Yes, he died BECAUSE Thanos VIOLENTLY yanked it off before they completed his brain transfer. To use your analogy it's like removing a usb stick before it finishes downloading files which can mess up and corrupt the files you're trying to save on it.
@Cirno, Ronan fully got hit by the missile and Rocket's ship, and he felt the brunt of the crash - he didn't block anything. If he was naturally durable then he wouldn't have been destroyed so easily by the power stone when it's used on him by Starlord. As for his hammer/stone scepter it was just a normal tool. Since it was an inanimate object it wasn't being protected by the stone. If anything it basically acted as a conduit or link for Ronan and the stone, so since he was holding his hammer which has the stone when he was hit by that missile and Rocket's ship it didn't hurt him. The power stone only reacts to living things in that sense hence why his hammer was destroyed so easily.
@Cirno, I see what you're saying, but think about it: what would've happened if Starlord hadn't lost his cool and attacked Thanos? Mantis wouldn't have lost her control (at least not as quickly since she wouldn't have been hit by or at least distracted by Starlord) and despite Starlord's interference Spiderman and Iron Man did manage to take off the gauntlet for a split second. It was only because of Mantis losing her control that Thanos regained consciousness or whatever and was able to fully concentrate on grabbing his gauntlet. If Starlord hadn't interfered the gauntlet would've been taken off and they'd have more time to create distance between Thanos and the gauntlet and offed him from there. Iron Man could've easily shot his intense laser through Thanos' skull or Dr. Strange could've imprisoned Thanos in the mirror realm so he wouldn't hurt anyone (except maybe Mantis if she was still sitting on his head and shoulders)
@Cirno, As an addendum to that last part it's clear Iron Man is in some way instrumental in bringing down Thanos since it was only when he was about to be killed by him that Dr. Strange gives up the time stone to save Iron Man's life. Which is why I said he could've fired his laser or maybe blasted him with a unibeam or something else his suit is capable of doing. There's clearly something about him that can be employed to defeat/kill Thanos, hence why Dr. Strange was so focused on making sure he survived
@Sexy Homunculus, 1) Wait so are you actually being sincere or being sarcastic? Cause if so then yeah I wholeleahrtedly agree
@Sexy Homunculus, 2)
He did laat a bit longer despite being on the receiving end of the power stone, and there was Rocket Racoon's brags about him being able to destroy a moon with his weapon. Usually I wouldnt say it's an exxageration but it's possibly what he used on the 2nd movie.
On the missile I just rewatched it a couple of times. He couldv'e just activated it at the last second or is natural durable.
Regardless the hammer wouldve been destroyed if he wasnt taken in surprise.
@Sexy Homunculus, numerous cases.
Thanos could have been free by himself since he was clearly not falling asleep. He could also rage out and stop sulking avout Gamora and use raw power to crush everyonr since he actively didn't aim to kill everyone throughout the movie unleas absolutely necessary. A hostage or human shield off those capturing him situation certainly wouldnt be out of the question for the big guy.
Also Tony unleashed rockets at the back of his head and electricity cant even electrocute him. Hes so durable that if the Hulk or Thor, who both went toe to toe and one of them destroyed a falling city, couldnt even dent him with a sucker punch (Thor did that after Hulk was defeated) and Thor who can summong a lightning storm all over Wakanda (surprisingly very powerful) cant leave a lasting wound without stormbreaker then yeah. They dont have the capacity to damage him.
@Sexy Homunculus, 4)
Very true In fact from teasers or spoilers that I so heavily avoid, it's implied a bigger threat is looming or something? Im not sure myself but it seems mighty dangerous and this might be just a necessary loss to pull the winning game.
@Cirno, Yes I do believe Vision died as a result of Thanos ripping the stone off of him so forcefully. Another way I just thought of looking at it is imagine if you try removing a tumor from a patient's head - if a skilled surgeon does so slowly and carefully it'll decrease the damage being done due to its removal, whereas if you take a knife and violently stab the patient's head with it in an attempt to get the tumor out it's going to kill the patient. Though as we've both said Vision is more of a robot in a super human body so I guess the computer data analogy is more appropriate
@Cirno, As for Ronan if he really did activate at the last moment then it would've glowed, but nothing like that is shown when he's hit. Now there is at least one shot where it glows when he pushes the characters back when they attempt to attack him, and it looked like it was glowing when he was about to hit his hammer on the ground which would've wiped out the city or at least leave a huge crater. Fortunately since Starlord distracted him it gave Rocket and Drax enough time to reload the missile. This time though Drax aimed for the hammer (most likely since he saw it did no damage when Starlord aimed for Ronan) and realized directly hitting the source of Ronan's power would give them the opportunity to de-power him and take him out from there.
@Cirno, In that case it worked since by directly targeting and hitting the hammer the damage being done to it was much greater than the indirect force it would've felt when the missile hit Ronan directly. While it did take a few seconds to destroy him with the stone it was shorter than the time it took to destroy the Collector's assistant who grabbed it when they were in the Collector's place on Knowhere. She faced the full brunt of the stone's power, yet when it was being held by Starlord and had the power disbursed among him, Gamora, Drax and Rocket Ronan was destroyed when Starlord released part of the energy directly to him. Which means if Ronan was destroyed by the leftover power after some of it was absorbed by the guardians, and the Collector's assistant lasted longer while facing the full brunt of the stone, then Ronan isn't as naturally durable as you're suggesting
@Cirno, When Iron Man used the missiles and electric attacks on Thanos he already had more than half of the stones including the power stone. Also when Thor attacked Thanos with his Stormbreaker axe he did so in the chest, but then Thanos told him "You should've aimed for the head". So if the gauntlet had been removed from him then Iron Man could have easily shot a laser through Thanos' head since that's his weakness. After all, he wears a helmet during the time he doesn't have the stones, yet the more stones he acquires the less he uses his helmet. Now I'm just guessing here, but I get the feeling the more power(s) he gains the more confident he is in defending himself with his newfound abilities granted to him by the stone. Because of that he stops wearing his helmet.
@Cirno, In all likelihood you're probably right about your last point, though it begs the question of if there really is something worse or more dangerous then how are they going to do something about it when half of their team has already bitten the dust (pun intended, but I am being serious). Then again, Captain Marvel will be coming out before the next film, and early reports show the next movie will be around three hours so it sounds like they'll have a decent amount of time to work things out and explain it all. I'm just hoping they really come up with something that actually makes sense, though if they pull out some halfbaked cliche storytelling maneuver or go JJ Abrams Lost on it then I'm going to be super pissed.