Fun fact: Dumbledore is a human wizard.
All the wizards in the Lord of the rings books are ancient demi-gods.
@Caligo, the wizards in LOTR are literally agents of the gods sent to earth to lead the races in the right direction through knowledge and leadership without taking control. Sauramon (probably spelt that wrong) sided with sauron and the orcs because a wizard with the ring would practically be a god.
@I Am Captain Obvious, why did Saruman side with Sauron and the Orcs if he was sent by the gods? Was his memory wiped? Seems like an odd side to take...
@The Dark Lord Vader, hes wanted power. The wizards still have free will. In LOTR a lot of godly beings sided with sauron. Tske the balrog for example, balrogs aren't natural, they're essentially fallen Angels. Saruman considered sauron to the winning side and even tried to sway Gandalf.
@I Am Captain Obvious, wouldn't the gods be destined to defeat Sauron though? Or are they not all-powerful and such?
Side note: is this all in the Silmarillion?
@The Dark Lord Vader, yes it's all in the silmarillion. I dont remember why the gods dont interject, at that point theres a lot of potential reasons
@The Dark Lord Vader, it's a loose analogy of God and angels and sauraman being the angel Lucifer. Tolkien didnt write it meaning it to be like that but it's still a good comparison
@The Dark Lord Vader, Most of the gods have been disinterested in Middle Earth for millennia, opting instead to maintain their own lands of Valinor and Aman, which are outside the scope Sauron can hope to take over. The only God that never "forgot" middle earth is Ulmo, God of Oceans, and obviously he can't help in a land war. Basically the gods sent the Wizards because they couldn't be bothered. Either the humans must be capable of saving themselves (with some guidance), or they aren't worth saving at all. Meanwhile, the Elves are welcome to flee to Aman.
@The Dark Lord Vader, Everyone keeps saying "the gods". It's important to the story to remember that Tolkien was a Christian, therefore the world he created was monotheistic. Eru, the "Allfather", created everything. Among his first creations were the Valar (akin to Arch-angels) and the Maiar (translates to "angelic beings") Sauron was among the Maiar, and his master Morgoth was the Valar known as Melkor before he descended to middle Earth. You could say that Melkor was literally Lucifer, so it would make sense that one who desires power such as Saruman would follow the devil.
@The Dark Lord Vader, Well "the gods" were actually more like angels, created by Eru. Sauron was one of the lesser angels, a Maiar, and his master Morgoth was a more powerful Valar, comparable to an Arch-Angel. You're on the right track, the other Valar live on Valinor, and could only be troubled to intervene in middle Earth when Morgoth was about to destroy the elves. Sauron escaped, and continued his master's work, but the Valar couldn't be bothered with Sauron. Kind of funny to think that Sauron is small fish compared to the Valar.
Pretty sure Dumbledore would enjoy you calling him a b!tch.
Cause, y'know...he's hella gay
I don’t recognize the hobbit in the beginning
I was kind of expectoing more...
@Banetersaurus Rex, I feel like when I read "Expecto Crossover" I was already unimpressed