But didn't the fascists take complete control over their economies thus making them not capitalist. Like how when the socialists do it their economies aren't capitalist either.
@Hagasay, given an inch and took a mile. Then took over the next country. And then the next. Eventually tried to take Russia but boy did that backfire.
@Hagasay, no, under most fascist governments capital was owned by individuals.
I am a libertarian that debates authoritarians for fun.
@Hagasay, it’s conflating economic and political ideology. It’s like saying democracy and capitalism are the same because that’s the model we’re most familiar with.
I wasn't trying to say that fascism was an economic system only the their whole thing was the state controlled every thing. I mean the way I had it put to me was "if the socialists socialized the means of production then the fascists socialized people." You may have "possessed" the capital but it was very iffy whether or not it was actually your choice what you did with it.
@Hagasay, correct, the nazis were national socialists and did seize some industry, but typically a fascist system wont seize it they will just dictate what you can do with it, it must benefit the state. Liberal socialism seizes means of production to benefit the people, or so the lie goes, but it reality it usually benefits the elite which are also synonymous with the state, making it more socialist in name, fascist in practice. The original statement likely meant facism and free market capitalism are at odds, which is true.
Fvck I can’t stand when people use those dumbass clap emojis between words. It doesn’t make what you’re saying smart or true, all it does is make me think you’re a retard trying to catch a mosquito
Sorry, but I love capitalism. It’s not perfect, and I know greed ruins a lot, but innovation, inventions and creativity flows nicely.
Fascism: according to dictionary.com
1: (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2: (sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3: (initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.
@Seohn, Capitalism: according to dictionary.com
1: an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
The more you know.
As a side note. It appears they could coexist. Also the whole aggressive nationalism thing sounds like when Trump complains about people kneeling for the national anthem and him wanting to fire them. Or when people say, if you don’t like it here move to a another country. That is an example of how easy it is to draw similar comparisons with words.
Just some ideas I throw out there.
@Seohn, fascism includes government mandates on production such as quotas, nationalizing industries as seen in Italy, Germany, and every instance of fascism that has come to pass, and generally includes direct or indirect command economies at the behest of the dictator in charge, and more generally the central government. As a result, the economic status of countries under fascism cannot be deemed capitalism properly so called, as it is at best a mixed, and at worst a command economy— instead of a market economy with strong private property rights, and individual control of the means of production.
@PB2, What about when its the companies that own the government and pay for laws?
Of course I also sometimes like to say that uncontrolled capitalism is just a dictatorship in another form. Thats basically what a monopoly is. And technically an oligopoly is very close to that as well. As it diminishes competition.
Don’t forget about the parts of aggressive nationalism.
When I saw the clapping emojis I heard the clapping part from Cha-Cha Slide in my head