Always hard to see the will of the people betrayed to such a serious degree. Teresa may needs to lose her job.
@BlazingBowman, As a brit who voted to remain I thank you for your empathy. Its so depressing in the UK at the moment, it feels like the entire population is divided and nobody can figure out what the f*ck is going on. I'm worried for the future of my country.
@BearInATopHat, well at this point the entire population should be united against there leaders. Remain or not that ship sank i dont think you can go back. Youre heading for the third option nobody wanted which is basically enslavement. Goodluck dude hope it works out for you. And this once maybe you should think about voting ukip. Just to get yourselves out of this sh!tty situation.
@BearInATopHat, but honestly dude i pity you. Goodluck from the bottom of my heart.
@BearInATopHat, I’m very concerned with issues in your country, especially as they won’t stay there. People aren’t listening to each other. Politics has stopped being about the issues and has become about the factions fighting for dominance and power. It seems like no one is thinking long term.
@BlazingBowman, the problem is its arguable if it is the will of the people. Since we voted the people as a whole have become more aware of the situation and what issues it will cause. Don't get me wrong i accept it was a democratic vote that leave won, but i think its undemocratic to not allow people to change their mind. Polls (i know polls can be innacurate, but they give a general idea) have averaged remain at 55% now with the largest gain being from the previouslly undecided voters. It was never a clear cut vote 52-48% is too close imo to be like thats it final over.
@BlazingBowman, honestly, if I thought that voting UKIP would change anything I would, despite their outward racism and fear mongering. But even then, I feel it wouldn't make a difference. The fact Nigel Farrage immediately left the country after the referendum shows how nobody really expected the leavers to win. Not even the people who were most vocal in supporting it. I know that hoping for accountability and responsibility from politicians is an exercise in insanity, but even so, the disenfranchisement is very real. Theresa May has an extremely unenviable job to accomplish sorting the sh*tstorm out, and she's done herself no favours so far with her decisions. Honestly, I don't know if there's anyone capable of sorting this. But I agree she needs to f*cking go, we need strong leadership now more than ever. Trump may have his shortcomings, but there's no denying he is a strong leader. We need someone to step up and sort this sh*t out, where's Ron Swanson when you need him?
@bonja, i mean do you really think its fair to keep putting out the referendum until people make the decision you want or in other words to change their minds?
@bonja, 52-48 is a pretty clear cut vote on what the majority opinion is. Besides, it is far more undemocratic to keep doing referendums every other year because some people “changed their minds.” It’s the same thing the EU does all the time. A member state doesn’t vote the way they want? Make vote again and again and again until they vote the “right” way.
@I Are Lebo, yea I feel like election have boiled down to unpopularity contests
@BlazingBowman, I mean we've had 3 votes in parliament already on a deal that still isnt agreed its not been a referendum each year its been several years now since the start of this whole process. And yes i do think people are entitled to change their mind. Its not to do with keep having the vote until we get a certain outcome. Given the current circumstances i.e. the potential change in the majorities view and the new information about what the outcomes may be
@TheRatMan, a 2% swing isnt that big imo. But regardless to that its not a matter of keep having votes until you get the choice you want. Its a second vote in light of changing circumstances and attitudes. If it was leave again id 100% accept it. If anything this would be good for leave as if it came back as leave majority again itd force parliament to do something
@I Are Lebo, China is and has been for years. They may have their own problems but they're pretty well set up for the next few decades. They put together a 100 year plan while every other nation cant look beyond the next election cycle
@bonja, i mean yeah thats the left and the right teaming up to punish the citizen's for voting wrong. And let me ask you something. If they had voted remain would you be cool with a second vote just cause a few years had passed.
@BlazingBowman, I wouldnt call it punishment. I think its been difficult to push through due to a multitude of reasons and again public opinion seems to have changed. Also you seem to have made an opinion im some form of heavy remainer... while i did vote remain i think the EU is massively flawed and there are extremely fair reasons for wanting to leave. And yes if it was the other way around and had orginally been remain but circumstances changed and opinions changed id 100% back another vote. The thing about democracy is you get to change your opinion once something happens thats not it set in stone hence why we do things like referendums which btw are not legally binding in any shape or form, hence why there are numerous examples of them being ignored or overturned in oir history. That is another issue entirely though.
@bonja, i would millions of tax payer dollars into these deals that could go elsewhere. Keeping brittain in a state of limbo scares off foriegn investors. Your parliament has betrayed you. Well atleast your consistant. I wouldnt be in favor of a new referendum atleast not for a few years.
@BlazingBowman, exactly being in a state of limbo is awful. If we had a second referendum it would put this all to bed and end it all now as it would put extreme pressure on the mps if it was leave. Tbh the only reason i see leavers not wanting another vote is because it might not go in their favour. Democracy is not a matter of you said something a couple of years ago thats it over and done with you cant change it.
@TheWhiteWolf, what are you talking about? Your comment is very poorly put together. China is what and has been for years? Also, why are you bringing up China when we’re talking about England?
Also, I couldn’t consider the world’s leading polluter to be operating off of a hundred year plan. It’s plausible that entire swathes of China may be uninhabitable by then.
@I Are Lebo, "it seems like no one is thinking long term" is what I was responding to. Politically China has been fortifying their government. Not trying to condone their actions. Just something that came to my mind reading your comment.
@TheWhiteWolf, ah. I see. It’s a fair enough argument, but given that China is still communistic where it counts, it’s a very different situation.
@BearInATopHat, if you are unsure why most of us voted leave, just Google how much countries donate to the EU versus how much they get back. Pay particular attention to Luxembourg. Then search GDP per capita for Europe. Then tell me why Luxembourg gets so much EU money.
As a country not even in the top 20 for GDP/Capita, we shouldn't be in the top three to donate three times what we get back.
@TheMightyImp, I don't really understand your argument. I do know the population of luxembourg is ~591,000 which is significantly lower than that of the UK (~66.04 million) so comparing the GDP/capita of these two countries is not really a good measure. I feel like the government and its economists should be responsible for deciding if we left the EU, not an uninformed, mislead general population. I knew next to nothing about EU policy law before brexit, I had no f*cking idea. As did many other people. Add to that the misleading campaigns, and lies, I honestly don't know why anyone thought it was a good idea in the first place
@BearInATopHat, per capita means per person, so my arguement is valid
@TheMightyImp, I understand what per capita means, I just don't understand the rest of it. I'm not calling your argument invalid, just not easy to follow. I tried googling what you said and had no joy
Longest game in the Deal or No Deal history
@Invisigoth, I don’t think they’re going to like what’s in the final briefcase.
Does that mean that the citizens are fleas and the cat is a politician?
Shouldn’t be one cat, should be a whole sack full of cats going crazy.
Theresa May is a wasteman