So not to start a flame war down here, but does anyone in this community really think that not getting a vaccine is the way to go? I mean like at least Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) shot. Measles is coming back with a vengeance and kids are dying because one disproven paper from years ago linked it to autism?
@GoldBurner, you won't find anyone on this app who is antivax because it requires a certain amount of brain cells to know how to operate a smart phone.
@Shmay Fish, the comment and your profile pic though 👌😂
@GoldBurner, kids aren't dying. The last death from measles was in 2015 in the us. Still more kids killed by drunk divers 1500 than even the total number of cases this year. That being said it's a good idea to get vaccinated, but let's not be fear mongering.
@Shmay Fish, you should check out the hate I got on here for proving people wrong that the flu vaccine can give you the flu. They're on here.
@phalcon , tell that to the kids in Madagascar.
@GoldBurner, The former comment shouldn't have existed. I deleted it
@phalcon , interesting. I didn't know rivers could be drunk. Wouldn't it all just flow downstream?
@CaseCat, we are talking about measles making a come back, that would implied places where it isnt active still like developing nations and such.
In the developed world kids aren't dropping like flies as everyone seems to think they are.
@Swift Justice, silly auto correct, fixed that one.
Doesn't matter. Even just one death in 2019 from an easily preventable disease, in any country, is horrendous and to trivialize it only makes it worse.
@Shmay Fish, Um, Have you been on twitter?
@phalcon , Kids do die from Measles. Though there may not be many cases in the US now thats “ONLY” because of vaccines. They die elsewhere in the world from it all the time though. Because they dont vaccinate like we do. If we stop vaccinating like many people had started too. There would’ve been more of a comeback of something thats entirely preventable. Sure its not on as large of a scale but there was a resurgence. The comeback is primarily due to ignorance and the lie of vaccines and autism. Its not been worse of a comeback because of the fight against stupid spreading the lie.
Heres a good video that talks about the negligible side effects of vaccines verses the very real permanent damage measles can do.
@CaseCat, statistics has nothing to do with trivializing something or not. The original post was that "kids are dying" which is simply not true in developed nations.
@phalcon , they're about to again with the spread of pseudoscience.
You said kids weren't dying, then switched it to "kids aren't dying In DeVEloPeD NaTiONs". As if that makes anything better. Worldwide, 100,000 kids die from measles and issues derived from measles. Who the hell cares where they're from. It's horrible.
@phalcon , there were 372 cases of measles in the US last year (according to the CDC). Measles has a death chance of .2% from complications like pneumonia or encephalitis. Which means we actually had a 7.4% chance of even a single death given the sample size last year.
@CaseCat, okay, when you say it can't cause the flu, is that based on a statistical probability or empirical data? What prevents live virus from remaining?
As a student nurse I have to get the shot annually and I'm not planning to fight it. I'm just curious.
@Empshok, it's because the virus is attenuated, meaning either literally broken apart or smashed. They leave just enough of the now weakened virus in it to train your body to recognize and fight against that specific strand of the flu (and since the flu virus is so awesome at quickly mutating, we have to get a shot yearly to keep up). People that coincidentally get sick are either experiencing the slight fever and sniffles from the weakened virus, proving that the vaccine is working, got a cold and think it's the flu, or already contracted the flu before getting the shot. Unfortunately, people correlate the shot with getting sick.
Saying you got the flu from the flu vaccine is a lot like saying you read this comment using a piece of your phone after hitting it with a hammer. It's impossible.
@Empshok, of course, bodies and vaccines aren't perfect. You'll have the rare case where someone doesn't know they either have an immune deficiency issue or an allergy and they'll get a shot and it causes issues, but that's extremely rare, and the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. My mom is immunocompromised and cannot vaccinate. I have a friend allergic to a couple things used in vaccines and can't vaccinate. That's why it's important those who can, should, and neither of them tell others they shouldn't.
@CaseCat, I mean, what about for the immunocompromised? Could there be enough virus to infect them? In a theoretical system, where a patient has no immune system and is only exposed to that pathogen, could it be enough to replicate into a systemic infection? I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, just trying to understand the nature of the flu shot.
@Empshok, I addressed that in a comment above. :)
@Empshok, for immunocompromised people, it is a person by person basis which vaccines they are okay with getting and which could cause them issues. For the flu vaccine concerning immunocompromised persons, that is best discussed between them and their doctor and the current flu vaccine. My doctor is usually pretty honest about how effective the vaccine is each year.
@CaseCat, yeah, I totally agree. Those who can't get vaccines rely on herd immunity to keep them safe. This selfish, ignorant mindset of these antivaxxers is making me so angry. The balance of liberty has been steadily tipping in favor of the loud and entitled rather than the majority. That these imbeciles remain unpunished is one of the consequences.
@GoldBurner, nope Im all for necessary vaccines I dont get the flu shot tho
@ImAWhoreForThor, what psudoscience are you talking about?
Your just not good a, logic, so let me spell it out more slowly for your.
1)The original poster said measles are making a comeback
1a)true measles are making a comeback in developed nations
1b) fase measles are not making a comeback in UNdeveloped nations as they never dissaperars.
2)the original poster said kids are dying.
2a) referring back to point 1) its reasonable to assume measles are making a come back and kids are dying is referring to the same geographical location.
Thus my point is, kids are not a tuslly dying in this locations, being developed nations.
Now that, does mean, they won't start, and that, doesn't mean people shouldn't get vaccinated. My only point is the risk of death is low, but my point never was because the risk is, low people should take risks. Get your kids vaccinated. It's the reasonable thing to do.
Get them vaccinated and don’t say anything?
BRING BACK YELLOW FEVER. Oh and PLAGUE.
Thisll be the best battle royale yet