Then you deserve no sympathy. Your problems are your own fault.
@Raki Zaki, big yikes, fvck everyone struggling with drug problems then, right?
@Me me BIG boy, if the person involved is making no effort to improve themselves, then yes.
@Raki Zaki, you sound like a great friend, I’m sure everyone enjoys your company
@JAMA, none of my friends are drug addicts.
@Raki Zaki, everyone has bad habits. Nobody chooses to be an addict its a proven mental condition that some literally cant control
@TheBigJ, yes but if the bad habits are damaging your health, and you aren’t doing anything to fix it, that is not my concern. If someone is in need of help and wants to change, that’s another story. I’ll try to save someone from drowning if they reach their hand out. But I won’t save people who don’t want to be saved. If it’s their choice to destroy themselves, I won’t interfere. Because that’s what I would want.
@Raki Zaki, people hit a low where they dont want to help themselves. To them its either the drugs or suicide so they dont care drugs are damaging their health. Vicious cycle
@Raki Zaki, You may not have friends like this now, however its not impossible that a lifelong friend, or a family member, may fall on hard times and choose a poor method of coping. Like TheBigJ said about suicide... would you not help someone off a bridge just because they didnt ask you to stop them from falling? Im sure your original comment wasnt meant to be on such a serious level but it was your reply that got to me. People in that desperate of a situation hide it man its hard to ask for help
@Raki Zaki, ill take that downvote and lack of a reply as you either live a pretty good life or a pretty self centered one to have never felt the need to go out of your way to help out a loved one struggling. Im gonna hope its the first and it stays that way
@salty joe, I’m at work dude, chill
@Raki Zaki, sorry my bad man, just hit home
@salty joe, Assuming someone is self centered or has it good because they don't agree with you makes you pretty tunnel visioned. If my family member wants to ruin their life, and doesn't want my help, it's now their problem, simple as that. I don't have time to save the world, I barely have time to keep myself together. If that's self centered so be it, but everyone has a right to put themselves first. Nobody else will.
@mazemarble, I feel like you completely missed his point. Like he said someone standing on the side of a bridge about to jump don't want help. They want to die, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't reach out a hand and try to help them, or be there for them. Some people need a little encouragement, and to just assume that just because someone is doing drugs without any plan to stop you shouldn't help them. Just like the person standing on the edge of the bridge, the drug addict is not in a good state of mind. My brother used to use cocaine heavily, he would often become violent (verbally), get sick, and you could tell it was destroying his intelligence. When we brought up Rehab to him, he got his back up, and refused to believe he had a problem. If we hadn't kept pushing him he would still be doing it today, assuming he didn't overdose again. It's actually pretty tunnel visioned to assume that you can understand the state of mind a drug addict is in, and assume they don't want help.
@mazemarble, i guess we just have different views on what family means. But if someone else chose to put you before themselves despite having every right not to i hope they would if thats what you needed. Yeah I agree one person cant save the world and we all have our lives to live and shjt to deal with, i know sometimes you just cant help people. my main message here was dont ignore signs or brush off people that obviously need help even if they say they dont. Cutting, alchohol/drug abuse/isolation. just make an effort i guess. or dont, its your right. but its helps to know someone cares to help you when you can't help yourself
@Raki Zaki, I understand where you are coming from, but it's not as simple as Black and White. The human mind is a complicated thing, and not even you or anyone else understands their own mind fully, let alone another person with problems they have never had to face. Not to mention different personality types. Some people (Myself included) hate asking for help. I don't deal with depression but I've had dark moments in my life, but never once did I ask friends or family for help. I put on a fake smile told plenty of jokes and told them it was fine. But I know now I wanted someone to ask me how I was, and get it off my chest, and get help, but I never did.
Well since I've been one, I can assume the state of mind, and i had to get back without help. And I brought people down with me that tried to help, making their lives worse. And if someone wants to die, as far as I'm concerned you let them, been there too. I mean reach a hand out, that's all some people need, but if they play games, they lie and tell you they want to get better but keep going behind people's backs to keep on doing whats killing them, you gotta let go at some point, or you'll be the one to get hurt. People need to stop taking responsibility for the bad things that happen to others, that they didn't cause. Im well aware that this is an unpopular opinion, but I've watched more people fall trying to save someone than I've actually seen people saved. They have to want help, if they don't, you're beating your head against a wall. If ever they show an inkling of wanting to get better though, I agree that you should immediately provide support.
@salty joe, I mean I agree with you to some extent. Once a friend, forever family. I've got people I haven't talked to in ten years, that if they called and asked, I'd do everything in my ability to help them. But they have to want that first step.
@mazemarble, couldnt agree more. Once a friend, forever family. Im glad you made it out on your own despite collateral damage to those that tried to help. I guess its the sacrifice some choose to pay and i hope things have healed for those people. The last thing i want to do is have a hostile discussion on here about anything and feel free to not answer this, just looking for an outside perspective. but did seeing how you hurt people who tried to help you motivate a recovery? and yes first step is key, sometimes you just have to force it i guess
Edit: I missed a few sentences in the middle of your response. yeah, some people just want to do no good and betray anyone it takes for what they want. Theres a gray area for sure far enough down the line where you can only do so much
@salty joe, Yeah no hostility here, I enjoy having conversations like this, seeing all sides of the fence never hurt anyone (except for some feelings). And for me it was actually seeing my buddy who was with me getting worse. I tried to bring him back with me, but he's not around anymore. He didn't want to stop, and I couldn't make him. The people who got hurt got too close, and it hurt them more when things got worse. But they moved on.
@mazemarble, thanks for the point of view man, appreciate it. Sorry for your friend
@Raki Zaki, Yo I think it's just a joke
@JAMA, all of my friends are drug addicts, that’s why we are friends
Same reason behind why am I always so broke
@Thone09, it does get pretty expensive. That is why $20 is $20... no homo.
My gf and I are actually doing a 30 day no alcohol or weed to restart our gym campaign. Highly recommend xD