That’s not a very good tip, like 11% and some change
@Hide Yo Kids, I was thinking the same thing
@Hide Yo Kids, yeah seems pretty irrational to me
@Hide Yo Kids, comments like that are why many people hate tipping now. if I had a nickle for everytime I got shïtty service and the waiter still expected a big tip just cause he did the bare minimum of his job.
@Scrabby, I don’t think a waiter would expect that if they knowingly gave bad service.
@Hide Yo Kids, in cali, they do.
@Hide Yo Kids, I'm giving benefit of the doubt and hope he left some cash too
@Shmay Fish, I just got this joke
Well it’s not my fault that I don’t have a big tip. Some people are just born that way.
@kdogzzs, I feel bad for those people
@kdogzzs, where’s my other $0.00159265...?
@Toad, I'll pay it to you when you reach the end.
@Motor psycho, right?!?!?
Oh how I wish America would get rid of this tipping nonsense. It’s extremely unfair to the employees and the customers, literally only the corporations benefit from this setup. Just pay the employees a reasonable wage and do away with tipping.
Tipping isn't necessary. They get paid to do a job.
@a bar of soap, America has been conditioned to think otherwise. I never tip. If you want more money, get a better job or get a raise
@a bar of soap, can’t tell if you’re trolling or serious. But sure, I’ll bite. You’re wrong.
@theshadosnipe, are you American?
@CHEisme, Here in California atleast, it's just common practice/courtesy to tip.Unless whoever should receive the tip was really bad.
@theshadosnipe, Conditioned? The waiters/waitresses are often paid at or below minimum wage because they are expected to make a decent amount of money through tips. Blaming the waiter/waitress for the need to tip in America is like blaming the trees for an oil fire in a forest.
@a bar of soap, they get paid far below minimum wage and split whatever tip they get with the bus boys. But sure, they get paid
@theshadosnipe, just get a better job or get a raise 4Head. “Oh man I’m a single mom that has to take care of my kids while also making enough money to support us, but I don’t have any working experience or higher education. I know, I’ll get a job at a fortune 100 company and I’ll be set!” See how brain dead that sounds?
@airguitarpro, we shouldn't blame the customers either for not paying the business employees there wage, it's the businesses fault to continue to pay this way, plus no waitor would want min wage cause you get a fck more with tips cause of the amount of high horsing guilting in America, were the rest of the world sees tipping as an insult, which it should be
@a bar of soap, In some places, no its not necessary because the waiters/waitresses have bosses that give them the same wages as everyone else. But most other places, particularly in the US, pay waiters, waitresses, and other tipped workers way WAY below min wage. And even if they were given the same wage everywhere, it's just a kind gesture and courtesy to do for someone who did an exemplary job assisting you instead of openly showing how little they care about you or anything around them.
@RomeoStealYoGurl, Then you should be punishing the business, not the poor souls that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. You’re not doing anything as a customer by refusing to tip except hurt the little guy. Do you think the business cares if you tip or not? It literally doesn’t affect them. The waiter or waitress on the other hand is very affected. The waiter or waitress should be tipped based on their performance, not the customer’s opinion on the restaurant business philosophy. We should be holding businesses accountable for giving fair wages to their employees without forsaking the employees themselves.
@CHEisme, I am and live in Wisconsin. 25, paying my way through college while working full time.
@theshadosnipe, you’re the type of self centred edgelord that argues that you shouldn’t be taxed for anything you don’t want to use.
@airguitarpro, I blame the employers who don't pay them enough and expect the consumer to pay their wages because they're being cheap
@FunnyBecauseFWord, sounds like someone should've worn a condom before making sure they were financially stable
@Anonymous Jack III, and yet do people tip a salesman at a clothing store for helping them? Or tip the people at McDonald's? What about teachers and firemen and every single other job where they're just expected to do a good job with no extra compensation?
@a bar of soap, waiter here, get paid $2.13 an hour. So technically you’re correct. But customers like you are likely to have your food spat/jizzed on.
@I Are Lebo, that's not true in the slightest. Government taxes are used to maintain public facilities and are extremely important. Tips are privately owned and are just an excuse for jobs to cheap out on their employees
@theshadosnipe, So if the employers are at fault, then why are you punishing the employees by not tipping? Do you think the employer is going to care or be even remotely affected by you not tipping? You might think you’re “sticking it” to the employer’s toxic American practices, but all you’re doing is hurting the hard working waiter or waitress. The employer doesn’t care if their employees get tipped or not. They care that you paid for your food and drink thats it. Period. Your tips, or lack thereof do not affect who you think they affect.
@Have An Upvote, unfortunately for you tipping is generally done after the meal is finished, so a little late for that
@airguitarpro, meh, I'm heartless enough that I honestly don't care about the serving staff. If they hate it so much get a new job. There's always factories or construction companies looking for work
@theshadosnipe, not if they come back and don’t tip. Multiple times. Believe me, waiters remember faces. I’m not saying I’d spit. I’d just give the service said person is paying me for.
@theshadosnipe, $2.13 an hour isn’t enough to get that degree for a better job and I’m sure not taking on debt for it.
@Have An Upvote, in that case the person not tipping is just stupid. I rotate restaurants, making sure I never eat at the same one for at least 4 months to avoid that. Same with haircuts
@theshadosnipe, You realize not everyone is physically able to do construction or factory jobs, right? You realize restaurant jobs may be appealing because of distance and/or lack of transportation? There are a myriad of reasons why construction and factories pay better than restaurants jobs and its NOT because they have the same demands and accessibility.
@Have An Upvote, get a manual labor job. They're always hiring and never require a degree. Im making almost 19/hour right now while going to school for my network admin degree
@airguitarpro, then get a job as a clerk, or salesman, or call center, or literally hundreds of jobs where you don't have to do manual labor
@theshadosnipe, Even someone who is as apathetic as you has to understand that people who are forced into doing restaurant gigs in America have a much more complicated life situation than you make it out to be. Its simply not as simple as “get a better job” for most americans. If its so easy for these people to get a better job, then why do you think they haven’t done so? Do they just love playing the slot machine of having their income dependent on their costumer’s benevolence? Its much too clear that you are far too dissociated and apathetic towards this issue to come up with any substantial or reasonable conclusions which could help alleviate this very real and pervasive issue.
@theshadosnipe, if your behaviour is such that it makes you need to avoid the places you frequent, you have a serious problem with your logic. That’s like a shoplifter who rotates what stores they go into.
You know who else treats restaurants that way? Dine-and-dashers.
If you treat other people disrespectfully, people will respond in kind.
Credit where credit is due, at least your stance on taxes isn’t as dumb as your take on tips.
@theshadosnipe, your argument doesn’t hold water. It’s not like a Jamba Juice or Starbucks that put tip jars next to the register. They don’t deserve tips because the service is bare bones. But waitresses and waitors rely on tips. That’s just how the job is set up. If they do a crappy job don’t tip, but if they do a good job and you don’t tip, that’s you being a crappy person.
@airguitarpro, then what's your solution? Considering the u.s. is one of 3-4 countries that regularly tips, why do none of the other countries do it? How would you tackle this issue?
@theshadosnipe, the people you aren't tipping make less an hour because they work in an industry that makes most of it's pay through tips. It's one thing to have an issue with the fact that businesses can pay below minimum wage because it's expected to tip your server but you not tipping because of it hurts nobody except the person who waited on you.
@I Are Lebo, to be fair, I honestly don't eat out very often. Much cheaper and healthier to cook for yourself, so I don't really frequent anywhere. And dine-and-dash is actually illegal, whereas not tipping is just frowned upon. Toy won't get the cops called on you for not tipping
@mcgriddle, then please, tell me your solution. Continue letting jobs not pay the proper wages? Besides, most states have a law stating that if they don't make enough tips in a pay period that have to pay the difference for it to at least be minimum wage
@theshadosnipe, Genuinely, I feel we should be taking this issue through the legislative gauntlet and push legislation which guarantees minimum wage prior to tips specifically for restaurant workers such as waiters/waitresses. The issue is that restaurants have projections that estimate how much their employees will make on any given day. These projections factor in tips. Unfortunately, tips can be great or poor. We can agree they are not consistent whatsoever and that can really screw over an employee’s financial stability. Restaurants do this purposefully so they can save money by not paying employees as much as they should while getting away with “technically” estimating a fair salary for their employees which is in line with current regulations and standards. A flat, guaranteed minimum wage prior to factoring in tips would allow employees to stay above water while also disincentivizing the “need” of the costumer to tip for the sole purpose of the employee providing the service.
@theshadosnipe, so if you rotate restaurants so that staff doesn't remember you, then you KNOW what you're doing is wrong, and do it anyway because youre a self righteous cheap ass. The type of person that actively doesn't tip is among the worst kind of people.
@airguitarpro, I agree with that wholeheartedly, and there are laws (not sure if state or federal) that require that if they don't make minimum wage even with tips the employer is required to cover the rest. That is to help mitigate the requirement for tipping
@theshadosnipe, because in Australia at least, minimum wage laws are enforced. Pass a law that says that ALL businesses have to pay a fair wage or encourage businesses to pay their staff by boycotting resturants that don't.
Also you're "find a better job" philosophy is beyond flawed. Aside from the arguments raised above, if you're correct and all resturant employees find better jobs, who will serve your food?
Also shout out to the funny pics community for having a generally civilised debate, rather than resorting to insults. I love you guys.
@Not him again, not quite, I do it because I know people and I know they can be just as much a prick as I can be. As someone stated earlier, some are willing to sabotage your food/haircut just for tipping badly. Why would I condone that behavior? And what if I can't afford to tip? I'm paying for college out of pocket so I'm usually pretty broke, another reason I rarely eat out. Why should I be punished for that?
@theshadosnipe, also I didn't know about this "if they don't make minimum wage from tips" law. I'm Australian, so I'm assuming it's state based or not enforced? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@theshadosnipe, if you're pretty broke, buy a smaller/cheaper meal and tip 15%? Instead of punishing the employee. People are generally good, not assholes. The assholes just talk the loudest. So you're "they deserve it cause they're like me" rationalist is also flawed.
@but its hard, it's a law that I BELIEVE is federally enforced, but if not then the vast majority if states follow it. As for who will cook the food, maybe that would help with America's growing obesity issue. We're currently the like 3rd most overweight country in the world. Perhaps if people ate healthy meals at home more often we wouldn't have that problem
@but its hard, I'm sorry if that's how it sounded, but I sympathize with wait staff. I wish they had better working conditions and a few of my friends have been waiters/waitresses. I've said several times in this thread that I blame the companies. But still not enough to tip though
@theshadosnipe, federal law that so yeah places are meant to make up the rest legally
@theshadosnipe, food doesn't necessarily cause obesity. I love bad food but I also have a high BMR and exercise. Plus I limit my bad meals out. Though I enjoy them and like you I only tip when I receive good service (however, waiter wages in Aus for a casual are around $23ph plus night rate, weekend rate, etc.)
@but its hard, that's the thing though, like I said America is currently in the top 5 most obese countries on the world. A big part of that is all the eating out people do. My parents spend at least 3-4 nights a week eating out out ordering out. I eat out maybe 3-4 times a month, if that
@a bar of soap, as a server, businesses are only required to pay you $2.13 an hour which is the minimum by law. You're expected to make the rest in tips. This practice came to be right after slavery was abolished because white men (women were still considered lower and property back then) did not want to pay the newly hired blacks so tipping came to be. Tip your damn server unless you want to go into politics and try to change this policy.
@theshadosnipe, I love how you think you come out on top at the end of this by justifying being a dick by edging the problem off on the private co., but in all logical practicality and application, if you recognize that fact, and still choose to receive that service and not give a deserved tip you’re just being a dick and everybody can see that. They call that preconventional thinking; ie. you’ve some growing to do. Best of luck to you. You might need it. When you don’t care about people, you’ll find that they won’t care about you either.
@ SapphireAquaDragon, According to "Adam Ruins Everything" it came about due to wealthy people wanting to tip and servers refusing it. So resturants spied an opportunity to have the customer directly pay their staff, so they lowered wages and encouraged their servers to accept tips.
I'm sure that's an over simplification but due to living in Australia, my knowledge of you're tipping system is limited.
The general consensus over here is that you should pay your servers minimum wage and eliminate required tipping. Also free health care.
I'm in hospital atm recovering from surgery for a broken collar bone, my operation and overnight stay are paid for by Medicare. No excesses.
@The Common Shaman, I do come out on top though. If you add up all the times I haven't tipped over the years, I've saved hundreds of dollars. Estimate 4 times a month, $10 a piece. That's 40/month. $480/year. Take that with the 8 years since I turned 18, I've saved a minimum of $2000, realistically more around $4000, in not tipping. You're telling me i haven't come out on top?
@but its hard, see, why cant America be like that?
@FunnyBecauseFWord, okay but to be fair, getting knocked up with zero life skills is pretty brain dead.
@CHEisme, if minimum wage is let's say $10/hr an employer can pay you only $5/hr because you make tip. However, it's called minimum wage for a reason. If your $5/hr + tip does not equal the minimum $10/hr then your employer by law has to pay you the rest. Therefore tipping is not necessary, therefore I do not do it.
Unless like the waiter or waitress was super chill and cool.
@Scrabby, No doubt but it happens. Certainly their responsibility but not necessarily their fault. Plus they're trying to be a productive member of society, rather than sustaining on welfare. This poor hypothetical brain dead woman 😅
@theshadosnipe, it can be, but until it does tip your wait staff. Like I said earlier, eat a cheaper meal. Pay the same amount, save the same amount and don't act like a dick. It's not your fault that the system sucks but it's still your responsibility to act with compassion, or act like a dick. Either way it's no one's responsibility (at this time) but yours.
@a bar of soap, is it enforced though? The limited literature I've read/watched on the subject suggests that it's not. If it is, it changes the whole debate.
I wouldn't tip under those circumstances (unless, as you said, I received great service).
@Have An Upvote, hate to brake it to you but maybe you should rethink your life choices if that's where you're working and not getting paid what you should by law. Sucks to suck
@but its hard, it is, as long as the servers are willing to stand up to employers that don't follow it. There are cases where they worry about getting fired if they report their boss, and it does happen at times
@but its hard, yes that is the law. And if your employer is not doing this then it is illegal. Minimum wage is absolute.
@theshadosnipe, exactly. I feel I made my point. I also don't like banter Soo I'm done commenting. Hate trying to keep up with messages after I already missed like 10
@a bar of soap, that's a big part of why I try to limit these kinds of topics. It's a pain trying to keep up with 10 different people all trying to counter your argument
@theshadosnipe, interesting... I think that at the end of the day the employers really need to up their game.
There's supposedly at least one resturant in America that doesn't allow tipping, as they believe that compulsory tipping can ruin the dining experience. Therefore they pay their staff a correct wage and offset that by having happy, return customers... which you know is the logical way to run things (in my biased opinion).
Again, my information is based on Adam Ruins Everything. I haven't researched into it because while interesting it doesn't affect me being over here.
@but its hard, last reply. Although that is my view on the situation, I do personally believe tipping or no tipping, there is no way a waiter or waitress should be getting anything near minimum wage with the amount of work, stress, and aggravation they go through with there job. I just don't tip unless they are super chill or cool
@theshadosnipe, that’s absolutely correct. You don’t. You’ll learn that being a douche won’t serve you any actual value. You keep raking in those points while you make people despise you, see how far it actually get you.
@theshadosnipe, it's an interesting debate though. I still think you should tip, even if only out of compassion for people working inside a broken system but I see your point.
Also, just for your own interest; in Aus, tips received by wait staff are (almost) never declared as income and therefore not taxed. It's illegal but nearly impossible to enforce.
@The Common Shaman, would you please explain why you think that?
@theshadosnipe, you’re using statistical numbers. The value of the unquantified reaction you cause will catch up to you and cause you more distress in life than you being cheap.
@but its hard, that is a fairly common practice here in the states. A lot of people tip cash when they can so the staff can declare less and therefore not be taxed as much on it. Unfortunately, to combat that companies typically have a "minimum tip" tax. Essentially saying that the server always makes at least 10% of the check in tips and tax them at that cost unless reported higher. Unfortunately this also means if they don't get any tips they're still taxed that 10% because the company assumes they tried to not claim it under revenue, so they then make even less then normal. Another broken system honestly
@The Common Shaman, so... karma. Mystical mumbo jumbo. Got it. I'll take my chances thanks
@The Common Shaman, insulting people you disagree with is ineffectual in a plethora of ways. For example, I agree with you but I still down voted you.
@but its hard, thanks.
@theshadosnipe, no, not karma. I’m saying that if you live your life screwing other people, and you’re just trying to get the top score, somebody will see that and won’t hesitate to knock you down. Being a dick actively throughout life will catch up to you, karma or no. And like I previously stated, when you don’t care for others they won’t care for you, and you won’t have anybody to turn to. Not even your stockpile of saved tips.
@theshadosnipe, wow, that is broken. Isn't it meant to be innocent until proven guilty?
Also why do companies tax employees, not the government (if you could be bothered explaining, all good if you can't).
@The Common Shaman, you assume I act like this about every little thing in my life? Believe it or not im not some black sheep that is determined to fight the status quo on every occasion. Most people know me as a good guy, and a fun person to drink and play video games with. Or as a relatively smart guy dedicated to bettering himself. I don't go out of my way to be an ass about everything
@but its hard, innocent until proven guilty hasn't truly existed since Kennedy was president. Im not sure how it is in other countries but in America the dollar is God, and most everyone is paranoid about it. This is more true the higher the economic ladder you go. Very few employers actually trust their employees these days, especially with finances, unless they absolutely have to. The companies tax the employees because a lot of places actually pool the tips and split it with other employees like the cooking staff to try making it fair. However, if they wait staff don't claim what they actually make in tips, the other staff gets severely slighted, so the companies made that rule to try to be a little more fair to all
@theshadosnipe, well that’s what I would assume of somebody who told me they don’t tip. Good luck with that, man.
@The Common Shaman, 'no, not karma'
Proceeds to give an example of karma
@theshadosnipe, but cooks get paid minimum wage, so they wouldn't "need" tips?
Money is God in all western countries (if you have money, all kinds of laws stop applying to you) it just seems worse in America...
@The Common Shaman, perhaps don't assume a person's entire personality based on a single debate. Just a friendly tip
@but its hard, from what I gather from the friends I know that worked in the service industry, a lot of the time the waiters would make a lot more then the cooks because of the tips, and they threw a fit. Even though the tips are based on the waiter's performance, they felt they should have to share it and for whatever reason the companies made it common practice. So in the end most companies pool the tips, pay the waiters first from the pool until they made minimum wage, then split the remainder among all the staff.
The only other country I've been to is Canada, but I know they are a lot better about money then we are
@theshadosnipe, tip people, just a friendly tip. Edit: you also called yourself heartless, so there’s that. I’ll settle with my assumptions
@TheBigJ, last time I checked people being inflammatory towards a you because you’re a dick isn’t karma, it’s just what people do. Thanks
@theshadosnipe, hmmm interesting. Aus has problems in certain industries too. We have minimum wage and then something above that called Award Wage (which dictates that a person must be paid a certain ammount, based on the work they do).
Unfortunately one of the companies I work for pays below award wage. Technically illegal but many companies exploit loop holes to do it and others just blatantly break the law.
It's same problem with the gov enforcing it; employees can report their employers but when they do the company declares bankruptcy, then resurfaces under a different name, same BS. The employee however becomes a leper to the industry.
@theshadosnipe, that’s a fair point, but I wasn’t trying to equate not tipping with dine-and-dash. The latter is theft, the former is simply discourteous.
@theshadosnipe, i cant be bothered to read the whole argument chain here, but not only are wait staff paid far below min wage as already discussed, they are taxed based on expected tips. Therefore, if you dont tip, not only are you screwing them, but they get doubly screwed by the governmentif you feel so strongly that the system shoukd be changex so that you dont have to tip them, write a letter to your local government official. In fact I would encourage anyone that sees this as an injustice to do just that. Thats what our government is here for.
@The Common Shaman, karma 'the result of a persons actions'. Thanks
@but its hard, its unfortunate that people have to act like that. Greed is huge sometimes
@but its hard, Adam Ruins Everything is a worse source than Buzzfeed. The man is in an absolute retard that pushes lies to further narratives.
Seriously. Most of his videos aren’t even sourced because the statistics he loves to bring up are often pulled out of thin air.
@wallrus, because you didn't read the chain you missed that we already covered that
@TheBigJ, that would be a consequence. That’s like the literal definition. Thanks
@The Common Shaman, According to the theory of Karma, what happens to a person, happens because they caused it with their actions...
@The Common Shaman, its literally the google definition cmon man
@TheBigJ, well I just googled it and you’re still wrong actually.
@The Common Shaman, well just google 'karma' if you want but this is just silly now
@TheBigJ, you’re telling me. I said nothing about karma, you did. Stop replying.
@The Common Shaman, 🤡
@airguitarpro, hey, the vegetation in South Carolina would stop a gasoline fire from spreading past the initial gasoline. So it's possible.
@RomeoStealYoGurl, How is tipping someone for impressing you with above average service an insult?
@theshadosnipe, yes yes, we should all listen to a 25 year old in Wisconsin because he/she pretty much knows how everything works. Amazing; even I don’t know how everything works. I wish I did but I’m perfectly happy with who I am.
@Diabolik, I fail to see how my age or location has anything to do with the conversation, nor how your comment is constructive in the least. As you can see, for the most part it's been a civil discussion so please do us all a favor and leave the senseless drivel out. Feel free to respond if you have an actual argument though. That is the point of all of this after all
@airguitarpro, technically they are paid minimum wage. if recorded tips do not equal minimum wage at least then the employer must pay the difference.
Pi =/= 3.14
@zerozero007, your hatred only makes me grow stronger