Alright so here’s the dealio. Disney wanted 50/50 split of profits instead of the 5/95 exchange for paying for half of all production costs vs paying everything up front as is the current deal, but didn’t want to negotiate a new deal for more movies at the moment. Sony decided to take their ball and go home, if Disney wasn’t willing to put more movies or other goodies on the table and just renegotiate from the ground up, then they wouldn’t talk.
According to some leaks, it seems the strategy is working. Disney has secretly counteroffered a 30/70 split with 30/70 financing. 7 additional movies with Spidey (3 additional standalones and 4 avengers), along with toy merchandizing and other goodies. Hopefully this second deal will work out.
Honestly Disney shouldn’t have tried to reneg their current deal as they gave their word they’d be satisfied with the 5/95 split on movies until after the third Tom Holland movie. But that’s Hollywood for you. Still 30/70 seems fair
@Sven and Otar, I get that but I also understand disney wanting more of their fair share the last spiderman was the highest grossing movie that sony has ever made and that's definitely coming from it being attached to Disney's mcu
@magrar, oh I get that, I’m just saying don’t rock the boat especially when Star Wars is kinda flopping and Marvel is having to pick a new direction after the awesome conclusion that was Endgame and doesn’t have any other major characters with emotional investment like Spidey atm in the MCU. Come the end of this deal, Disney should have then offered a new deal for several movies with a more even split
@Sven and Otar, that’s what keep telling people is in all honesty it’s still super early in the Negotiations and Disney is going to keep trying to strike a new deal where they don’t have foot the whole bill for the films. In the end though I will give about a month before Disney just exercises a nuclear and offers Sony 500 million to 2 billion to buy the rights and then they either keep the original deal and collect or just let Sony have Venom and Spiderverse both of witch are billion dollars franchise on there own
@Sven and Otar, that makes sense too, it might be because they're in strong position for negotiations with the movie being that successful
@Sven and Otar, Aw man, does this mean we don't get to see Uncle Ben die again?
@Sven and Otar, I agree with everything you said, except that Star Wars is flopping. The Last Jedi (which I still defend, despite some flaws) has grossed more than $1.3 billion, and it was a critical success. Half the fanbase complaining doesn't mean the movie flopped, especially when it comes to Star Wars, where half the fanbase is always complaining unless we're talking about Empire.
Source: Wikipedia which means it's probably wrong.
Update: Not to mention all the excitement about The Mandalorian and the confirmed Kenobi show (!!!). Star Wars is gonna be fine.
@Sven and Otar, What Sony was angry about is that Disney have the money on all the toys and parks tho, Sony doesn't see any of that. Plus Disney was already receiving 5% of gross revenue, not just profit. I think Disney are the A-holes here.
@Neil Dylandy, that movie didn’t flop the box office, but it left people so mad that Solo failed despite actually being a half-decent movie. Rebels isn’t up to snuff, their new park has abysmal attendance, toys are not selling hardly at all & haven’t since TLJ, while many people still plan to see RoS, most are not hopeful and aren’t excited about it.
I’ll be honest, I loved TFA, I loved Rogue One, & Solo, but Disney really dampened my fire with Rian Johnson’s TLJ which is easily a pretty poorly written movie (a great 1st or 2nd draft, but not what should be the final product. Nothing wrong with liking it). I’m modestly excited for RoS because JJ is helming it & he at least likes Star Wars but has a tendency to flub endings so we’ll see.
My personal excitement for The Mandalorian & Kenobi are because of the people helming & cast in it. I believe they love the property as much as I do & will make great work of it. But Star Wars isn’t the guaranteed financial win it once was pre-TLJ
@ Seductive Cheeto, Disney aren’t A-holes for profiting off that which they have the rights to. Sony only has the rights to Spiderman movies. Now, I’m certain there’d be room to cut Sony in on this (and clearly there is because Disney has supposedly counteroffered with revenue from toy/game sales and tv revenue along with a 30/70 revenue split in favor of Sony).
No one’s being more A-hole-ish than the other really. Disney’s asking for a more fair split, but is renegging a contract already signed and dishonoring it by demanding more, even if it is a more fair split. Sony’s being stubborn and not wanting to give up the cash cow they have, not realizing it’s really mostly a cash cow because of Disney. Both mildly guilty of A-hole-ish behavior
@Sven and Otar, I say Disney are the A-holes cause apparently they didn't wanna change that part, they just wanted to start getting a direct cut of the movies and still make the merchandising money aside from the videogames, which apparently is more money than the movies even make.
Basically they just wanted more money from the deal overall and the only thing they offered Sony was decreased cost or kick dirt, which is a pretty scummy move.
@Sven and Otar, I just worry that that attitude will preclude anyone from doing anything new or interesting with Star Wars ever again. Yes, I fully admit that TLJ had flaws, but it also played with so many interesting ideas. I loved the arc with Luke, Rey, and Kylo. One of my favorite things about KotoR and ToR is how BioWare was ballsy enough to say, "Hey, the Jedi aren't infallible, and sometimes they make things much worse." Luke fvcked up, yes. So did Yoda, which is the point of his lecture of Luke in TLJ. My thoughts on TLJ are a whole other conversation, but I'll be happy to share them of you want.
JJ is a great director, but he hasn't really given us anything new. I'm worried the RoS will just be RotJ all over again.
Also, I don't like the idea that people who like (or wrote) TLJ hate Star Wars. I know that wasn't what you were saying, but that's the conception a good number of fans have. It sucks. I hate that we can't enjoy the good things about TLJ because so many of the
@Neil Dylandy, fans are curmudgeons stuck in 1983.
It’s more like Disney literally gave Sony a pile of cash by allowing Spider-Man the market advantages of being part of the MCU, and then said let’s do 50/50 on cost and profit moving forward...
Seems like a fair exchange since the property has been a complete train wreck since the second Toby Maguire movie...
Its actually more like Sony being a whiny brat when someone asks for a fair deal.