I wish we were leaving the EU that smoothly
@TheJediMantis, like this but at 2 fps with severe stuttering and screen tearing.
@mas2de, And with people randomly clotheslining him to stop him actually going anywhere.
The European Union is a tyrannical governing body that should be disbanded forthwith to prevent the inevitable future atrocities they are going to commit on the people under their control
Change my mind
@I Are Lebo,
Hey it is a good thing to allow a bunch of leaders of other countries to make policy decisions for your country without you having input. That's called democracy you fascist.
@I Are Lebo, its so stupid how its set up. Eventually the planet needs to unite under some form of government if we’re ever gonna get anything done for real, the eu is such a shït system for that
@Dexios S Divine, planet? I don’t know about that...kinda like giving the short bus kids a vote on the lunch menu. No matter the choices it’s going to be crayons
@Gothem, us fighting each other over shït forever is gonna be our own end. One way or another we gotta be under one flag with the same goals or shïts never gonna go well in the long run, not some totalitarian shït obviously
@Dexios S Divine, the problem is that Progress has been the second most common justification for atrocity throughout history. If we cannot agree on what is the direction we should be going in, then we cannot unite. All we can do is oppress those who would disagree.
An excellent and topical example of this is Islamic fundamentalism. So many of the people fleeing the Middle East for first world countries are bringing their barbaric attitudes with them. Modesty laws, gendered ruling, intolerance towards dissent, these things and more are in direct conflict with any variation of governing power not based on force.
Until we can remove from power those who would have their way over the corpses of those who would express principled opposition, we cannot hope to have any form of unified government that is not wholly tyrannical.
@I Are Lebo, yeah i know it’s because of problematic mindsets, its why pure socialism fücken sucks. I got no answers, i just know well end in nukes or fighting over planets if we dont unify
@I Are Lebo, I read this in General Washington’s voice and accidentally founded another country
@I Are Lebo, not disbanded maybe reworked. Sure it has its cons mostly in regulations and politics and some governance, but the free movement and trade and single market currency not to mention elevation of economic and human rights benefits for many countries that their government probably wouldnt allow should not leave. Britain has no set in stone constitution like the US. Lots of it is tradition and many rights and protections of its people (such as cyber laws etc) are from the EU. Yes sure immigration has caused an issue as it is wont to do when cultures collide. And encompassing all the immigrants in bringing barbaric practices is unfair when only a select few really adhere to it and there is a push in the middle east for less gendered laws and equal rights because many people want that. That aside yea immigration should be handled better but immigration from Syria and Africa is a symptom of a larger more historic problem and Western influence and intervention.But that is separate
@Basil Fawlty, the body is corrupt from the top down, with clear designs on turning the countries allied to the EU into vassal states in eternal bondage. One read of the Brexit ‘deal’ is enough to show that. They want the common people to have no say in their own affairs, while the EU parliament have total power.
The economic boons are entirely dependent on where in the EU you are. Germany isn’t benefitting from their hard work when all the money goes to Swedish police forces.
Speaking of which, you also have the EU completely ignoring the plight of the people in favour of virtue signalling, which is why more police hours are put into tracking down ‘malicious communications’ online than into stopping Muslim rape gangs and pedophile grooming rings.
It is absolutely fair to encompass all of the immigrants because they refuse to police their own. They refuse to acknowledge that the PoS portion of their population aren’t the radical fringe. They’re the traditionalists.
@I Are Lebo, again my point wasnt necessarily arguing specifics of the EU but rather to point out that despite many flaws there are still lots of pros and that rather than tearing down the EU it maybe should be reformed. A good example is Republicans and Obamacare. They have for years wanted to repeal Obamacare but never had any plan to replace it. That much is evident. Is Obamacare perfect? No. Does it cover lots of Americans? Yes. But by repealing and not replacing it does no good to anyone. Rather it could be built upon as a foundation for better medical coverage. (I'm using this purely for an analogy and not stating personal opinions on Medicare in the US). So likewise if you think the EU has serious flaws that's fine but you should recognize factually that it does have its benefits that would not exist without the EU. As both an American and EU citizen I am able to work and live anywhere within the EU simply because I'm a citizen of a member country. That's a massive benefit for
@I Are Lebo, all EU citizens. There are other benefits like that. Now if you're dead set that the EU is purely tyrannical and awful than so be it. I just think it can be un productive to see the negative in one thing that possibly and usually also has positives, yet disregard those to make the case to remove said thing so that the negatives are not as issue. It can be more productive in cases like these for reform and improvement. Of course in this example reform of the EU is no easy task and certainly not helped by its laws due to governance of a body of nations. And that is again wholly another issue I dont want to address. I should add in I dont disagree with your general statement of the EU having flaws, more so that due to these said flaws ( and having not recognized many benefits) the EU should be dismantled. Maybe you also have the idea of it being dismantled and then being replaced by something more efficient and productive but based on your comments I am unsure. Good day sir
@Basil Fawlty, you’re missing several key details. The first is that the EU is not a country. All of the countries within the EU have their own governing bodies which would take up the respective slack from the removal of the EU.
Honestly, I would argue that Obamacare has been a net negative for the USA as it has contributed towards skyrocketing medical costs via bloating and inflation.
However, my point is that there is no feasible way to reform the EU as far as I can see. There’s simply too much power in the hands of too few to prevent these kinds of abuses from running unchecked. Even if the EU was completely beheaded and totally restructured, without the imbalances of power and the lack of accountability being changed, we would simply end up right back here.
Convenience is not something that anyone should be willing to abandon their own sovereignty for. If your only argument in favour of the EU is ease-of-access to member countries, that’s a really weak argument.
As for your comment about my claim that the EU is “purely tyrannical”, I don’t even understand what that means. No body of people is “purely” anything, and purity isn’t the point. My point was that alongside whatever else the EU does for or to it’s people, as a governing body they have shown many alarmingly tyrannical traits, stifling free speech, outlawing criticism of a specific religion, attempting to impose their very sense of humour onto others. The state that imposes morality is an immoral state.
There’s a pattern of behaviour here. Many countries throughout history have attempted to ban or police jokes/criticism. It ALWAYS ends with atrocities and mass death. Every time.
I’m sorry to be so harsh, but speaking for myself, if my governing body tells me they’ll take away my freedom if I make a joke they don’t like, I don’t really give a fück if they’re benefitting me financially or making my life more convenient.
@Dexios S Divine, no i disagree. Im not gonna let people from china vote on how im going to live my life here.
@Basil Fawlty, how foes the e.u secure peoples rights whatsoever? From where im standing theyre oppressing their people.
@BlazingBowman, did you gloss over the no totalitarian crap part? We’re all on the same globe dude, their rules dont have to apply to everyone if it doesn’t apply...
@I Are Lebo, I meant an EU citizen in that as a citizen of a member state of the EU I am granted liberties and benefits and restrictions in all other EU states. That's all I meant.
I also have never read or heard of any laws stifling free speech or criticism of religions. Maybe hate speech? And the EU doesnt necessarily have so much power in the hands of the few. There are several different councils for various things and there are many representatives for each country. Admittedly EU law tends to override nation laws and issues. And that can make it hard for reform but not impossible. But again there are lists of iris and cons, many of the cons you have listed.
The EU has lifted many countries economically and has certainly not helped stronger countries. Countries that would have been more inclined towards less human rights are unable to do so under EU law. I find it hard to believe the EU has placed restrictions on freedoms, certainly member states have.
@Basil Fawlty, what about the EU’s attempts to stifle speech over the internet? The copyright laws they’ve put forth make it so strictly regulated that it’s simply infeasible for large online marketplaces and social media platforms to allow their services to be in the EU for fear of fines and legal trouble. The first step in any oppressive regime is restricting access to the free press.
The laws being implemented throughout the EU regarding ‘malicious communications’ is another. It’s absolutely disgusting to have people being arrested and imprisoned for a crime that is essentially ‘being rude to the wrong person over the internet’.
The case of Count Dankula is frankly an embarrassment upon the UK, and it seems to me that these attitudes start at the EU.
The criticism I speak of is against Islam. The way that the media throughout the EU are terrified to ever allude to Islam whenever a psycho tears through a crowd while shouting “Alahu Akhbar” is shocking. Anyone who criticizes the
ideology of Islam is immediately labeled as ‘Islamaphobic’ and are to be shunned. The cowardice of the EU against Islamic extremism is quite disgusting, in my opinion.
Just as a quick fyi to those curious, this is from wvu
I wonder how many down votes I can get
The reason why brexit exists, is because most people with a vote are selfish egotistical racist cuńts who think they are smarter than they actually are, they've made the decision to leave based on that they don't like foreigners walking around with benifits and they think this is the way to solve it, well people of Britain, you've played yourself, only people benifiting from all this is the top 1%...
@butternut squash, why do you think im racist for wanting to control the borders better? I want the people coming to this country to pass checks and be qualified for the job they say they do (to our standards) i work as a plumbing and heating engineer (with all my gas safe certification) and trust me when i say they are dangerous when they say they can do the job but not to British standards
@Mr Moose Knuckle , don't be a victim mate, I said most people, I'm glad you have high standards and sound proud to be a part of this country,
@butternut squash, you are wrong on almost every point
@Mr Moose Knuckle , those controls should already be in place you daft moo! It’s down to each country to implement them! Just because we leave the EU, you think we’re going to start enforcing immigration policy?! You can’t come to the UK without health cover and evidence of employment. Those are EU rules. We just don’t enforce them. If you’re blaming anyone, blame the UK government
@I Are Lebo, if you’re American and you’re schooled by Fox News, please don’t participate in an adult conversation
@Unkle77, a) I’m Canadian, not American
b) I don’t watch Fox News
c) If it’s an adult conversation you’re looking for, stop acting like a child
d) Go fück yourself with a 2x4 you massive prick
You’re seriously an idiot. You think people having the desire for self rule makes them racist, you completely discount the principled arguments of those you disagree with, and you ignore the facts of any scenario if it contradicts your beliefs.
The adults are talking, child. Go away and play some Fortnite until you learn how to behave yourself.
@I Are Lebo, you’re Canadian and you know fûck all about Europe or our country, the UK. The UK has self-rule already you complete balloon. If you think the EU is some Star Wars type confederacy, you’re a dumb aśś. It’s an economic union and helps keep the peace between people who fought wars regularly for thousands of years. No pipe down and shut the fûck up.
@Unkle77, I never alluded to the EU being some kind of Hollywood villain-esque organization. But they are going to mass incarcerate and kill their own citizens once they consolidate themselves as an empire. I’m not being hyperbolic. They’ve made similar statements of empiric intent themselves.
If the UK was truly self ruled, then when the majority of the populace voted to leave the EU the first time, it would have happened.
No, I won’t pipe down. No, I’m not going anywhere. Lick my balls, you have no authority over me.
I was gonna say something clever but by the time I reached the bottom I forgot what it was.
Oh like we’ve moved that far in three years! 🤣
"It seemed like a good idea at the time." -Famous last words
Before I read the post i saw this and inmy mind the guy said goodbye fvckers.........I immediately regret this decision
Boris Johnson, the younger years.
Its a shame how many taitors there are in the uk parliament. Fortunately for me im american so im just gonna keep on laughing until the tech companies institute a social credit system. Then ima start fighting.
Gumball did it better