I mean you kill plants to make most of that. They just dont scream when you kill them. Would probably be a much different story if they did.
@owanobi, imagine mowing the lawn
@KontrolledSubstance, You know that fresh cut grass smell? That is a pheromone that is released by the cut grass to warn the other grass it's going to get cut. Kinda like how we would scream to warn others if danger right?
@KontrolledSubstance, was going to say the exact same thing
God I'm not at all vegan but I am honestly so sick of that argument. Plants do not have nerve cells, they don't even have nociceptors which are nerve cell precursors. Plants cannot feel pain, period. The fact that they can respond to stimuli around their environment is not indicative of pain either. And even if somehow they could feel pain, the question would be to what degree do they feel pain in relation to other animals, and whether greater benefit per amount of pain caused is given nutritionally to justify kill a plant vs killing some animal.
@PottedPlant, Everyone knows plants cant actually feel pain..im not trying to say that killing plants is the same as killing animals for food. Because its obviously not. But if plants did have 'emotions' or reactions to being chopped into bits. I doubt we would eat them nearly as much.
Ah I see where you are coming from.
The concept of eating meat has been on my mind a lot lately. I don’t think I could raise a cow and then kill it for food. But it’s easy to go buy a burger from the store. I don’t think that’s right. If people had to do the dirty, hard, emotional work of taking an animal’s life they might look at eating meat differently. I’m still coming to terms with this and yes I am a hypocrite since I still eat meat I buy from the store. I don’t have an answer but wanted to share what I’ve been thinking about lately.
@PippyPie, I mean a large amount of the point of the meat industry is to keep the consumer as far away from the production process as possible to not deter them. But honestly when it comes down to it your mind is capable of justifying more than you think, and if you were really truly hungry you wouldn't think twice about killing. It's only with a food surplus can we consider the morality of it
@jouze, agreed. If I had no choice it would be an easy decision.
@PippyPie, vegans exist because life is so easy now. You’d have no problem raising a cow, chicken or any other animal to kill and eat it if you knew it meant survival for you and your family.
@x2 6x 9 lol, yeah I know. It would be easy if it was life or death but it’s not. That’s my point.
@PippyPie, You don't have to raise the animal to eat it. Think about hunting. I think raising an animal from a baby to slaughter it, and killing a wild animal would be 2 completely different things
@satan of the north, yes I agree 100%. I think I’m going to start by hunting some small game like duck. Then maybe hunt a deer and use all the meat. I don’t know much about hunting but I’ll learn.
@PippyPie, I started on bird hunting. You'll figure out pretty quick if you can stomach it when you grab your first kill. That's how it was for me
@PippyPie, as a farmer, it's much less of a deal than you would think.
@Simetricwl , as a small scale farmer and avid hunter we dont buy meat at the store. I take on the responsibility of making sure the animals in my care have everything they need to have a good life right up to the moment they dont see it coming. Part of harvesting them is making sure they dont suffer. A slaughter house doesnt csre and the animals are sfraid because they see and smell whats coming. My animals never see it. Its just over. And i spend a lot of bench time working on my aim so thst deer i hunt dont suffer any longer than necessary. I only kill what we need to eat. And every animal on my farm eats in the morning before i do and at night before i do.
@mycatsanahole, this is exactly what I’m talking about and strive to be like. Thank you for sharing this.
I am not vegan but I have wrestled with these questions, and my own hypocrisy, as well. The problem with the arguments that were made in reply to your comment is that whatever we did to survive in the past does not mean its ethical to do now in the present, where we do not technically need meat to survive(there's some nutritional debate about whether meat is needed to be optimally healthy). So if veganism does indeed cause less animal suffering and death, then it follows that by eating meat you are causing unnecessary animal suffering for your own taste pleasure. I personally don't have a problem with hunting though, particularly in animal populations where the normal predator population has been disrupted and the prey population will exceed their carrying capacity if left unchecked. Regardless, hunting if done properly is definitely more human than factory farmed meat.
USA! USA! US..... Wait, shjt that's not something to be proud about *sits back down*
@BRAZZERS, a ton of Europeans got dead too......not that it makes it better, but it wasn't as lopsided as most people think
@WelI Obviously, considering the fact that most of the Natives were killed by disease it’s pretty much exactly as lopsided people think but no point in dwelling on the past it’s not like anyone can change it
Thanksgiving litterally has nothing to do with the war between america and the various tribes of america.
This is accurate
edit: i have been informed that this is in fact not accurate
@robee, This is not, Thanksgiving celebrates the first Thanksgiving in 1621 which resulted in fifty years of peace where no natives were killed (by the pilgrims from that Thanksgiving) that's kind of the whole point, Thanksgiving is about us not killing each other.
@The reason I drink, i thought it was 40 years of peace
@The reason I drink, or was it 49?....69?...gigity.
@robee, this is not accurate. Or historically correct at all.
@BlazingBowman, at least, not until black friday, when the fire nation attacked
@The reason I drink, oh okay
Tell it to the Treaty of Frond and Leaf.
NEVER break the Green Pact!