Someone is talking to themselves.. three times...
So not related at all but I'm about to graduate college finally, it's my last quarter at ucsc. Currently the grad students are striking for cost of living wage for housing based on their wages as TAs (teacher assistants). Recently I found out that the strike was primarily made up of grad students from social sciences and liberal arts, 40% of the psych grad students were let go and something like 47% of sociology students were let go. The reason for their termination was the holding of undergraduate student grades preventing registration for required courses as well as multiple shut downs of campus.
Now here is the issue I'm an econ/business major and I definitely believe myself to be liberal and a Democrat but I keep trying to figure out the financial breakdown and it keeps coming up insanely high already.
@Cousteau, here's the break down as far as I can tell... a grad student currently gets paid 2400 a month at ucsc. They work between 15 and 20 hours a week as a TA (other work is unrelated) which is what they are paid for. To be sure a TA only works one class typically with 2-3 other TAs and possibly a grader at least in the courses I have taken. They attend all lectures so that's around 3 hours a week, plus they hold 1-2 sections, and they probably hold 1-2 office hours. I'm sure they must consult often with the professor maybe 2-3 hours a week so on the high end of on campus work they complete 10 hours leaving 5-10hours a week to grade around 70 students who typically submit 1-2 assignments a week. So 15-20 hours for the work they are paid for seems reasonable-ish. Now if that's the hours and they get 2400 a month that's being compensated $30-40 an hour before taxes. But wait they also get free tuition unlike students who dont TA which is $13000 a quarter at ucsc.
@Cousteau, on the low side students spend 3 quarters a year at school so $39000 worth of tuition that should be included as income because otherwise it would be a fixed expense given their enrollment. $2400×12+$39000= $67800 in income before graduation plus health care and parking which is $1000 a year on campus.
They want a $1478 increase for housing which means they are making close to $4000 a month as a student which is more than the hourly of much of the faculty.
$4000×12 + $39000 = $87000 before graduation in income and around 40000k isnt taxed because its granted given acting as a TA. I dont doubt TA work is hard when being a student but I mean I work full time and go to school not 15-20hrs more like 40. I dont go out really but I have plenty of social life and am a good student planning to attend grad school next year. I just feel frustrated that my courses have been basically cancelled and are now completely online including the finals.
Any old grad students please weigh in.
@Cousteau, I think the problem is much larger then the numbers at one school. If the TAs aren't being paid enough to live comfortably then they aren't paid enough period. Doesn't matter if they get paid well above average if the cost of living is to high. This is a problem nationwide, where wages just don't pay enough. It's not like there isn't extra money. At my dad's college the administration keeps raising there own salaries by millions of dollars total. Colleges are often insane and corrupt.
@Cousteau, only in America will you get people complaining that making 30-40 dollars an hour with benefits is not enough.
I'm guessing none of the TAs have actually have had to work for a living before and are now mad that they have to budget their lifestyles, they're probably all privileged Americans whose parents pay for more of their expenses and now expect the college or the government to take that role.
Don't listen to KingOfFunnyPics, he's a dumb4ss, if someone isn't being paid enough to live comfortably then they aren't being paid enough period? What kind of privileged fantasy land bullsh1t is that? Since when do people deserve to be paid comfortably, people only deserve to be paid what someone is willing to pay them.
I'm guessing the students who probably work for the family business, landscaping/farming/contracting/etc, aren't complaining. Neither are the students who are forced to live by the means of a job they had to attain themselves.
@Cousteau, plus those TAs are affecting your grade because of the life choices they made, they are scumbags. They don't care about anyone but themselves, they're willing to ruin the education semester of other students so that they can have even more inflated salaries and more privileged positions.
Going to college is a privilege, going to grad school is a privilege, and then being paid for it on top of all that with tax incentives and no tuition, you're about a privileged as any person in the world can even get.
Yet they'll spit in your face and fvck with your classes because they don't live as comfortable as they want.
Idiots out there that say that everyone deserves to be paid enough to live comfortably no matter what are selfish morons that are only thinking about themselves, cause they'll shut right up once they get their money unless it is their job to complain publicly.
@KingofFunnypics, I get what you are saying but many of the TAs didnt strike because it wasn't union sanctioned. Basically it's a small number of the overall TAs in only certain fields. I dont think they should be paid more unless they are required to work more hours. Or get a job on the weekends. They won't be able to rent a two bedroom house to themselves but they will be able to afford a room. Also student loans are an option I mean their tuition is paid for and so is transportation and healthcare. My friends mom works in the finance department and makes a living but nothing special. I agree though colleges dont properly channel money. But these grad students did sign a contract too so I dont really know.
@Cousteau, I did not read your post. I will in a moment. Just wanted to inform you that in college I was involved at a campus ministry called UCSC (university Christian student center) and whenever we played intramural sports we always had one team called the banana slugs in honor of the original UCSC
@KingofFunnypics, that’s the problem nationwide. Texas is big on “anti-California memes” mocking the traditional California stereotype of a liberal neo-hippy... but more Californians are moving to Texas because of a) lower standard of living and b) no state taxes. Hell, I’m tired of teaching. Teaching is a pain in the arse but it’s one of the few professions in Texas that has benefits, vacation and I get paid more than $65K ... because Texas at least pays us OK for the amount of work we put in.
@Cousteau, if you want my opinion on this as a college grad and someone that did a year of grad school before landing my full-time gig, college and most of higher education in general is an overpriced joke. Tuition has been skyrocketing for a couple decades due to federally backed student loans—this incentivizes colleges to charge whatever they want, irrespective of the rate of inflation or especially the value of the education they offer. Exceptions do apply, however, such as 2-year vocational programs that tend to lead directly into high paying labor jobs, or cheap community colleges that provide people a similar path. I “followed my dreams” in college and grad school and ended up racking in over $60k in loans, even after quite generous scholarships and grants. Thankfully in my line of work (that is also what I studied for) I received a benefit to repay nearly all of what I owe, but so many others aren’t as lucky. The financial breakdown you mention, literally is a breakdown.
Thought the top two were chicken legs