Big difference lord farquad was sending nights to certain death for selfish gain. Boris johnsons just telling you the ugly truth.
@CocoasBro, actually Johnson was willing to put the health and lives of his people at risk to try and prop up the economy by refusing to issue any type of social isolation or serious medical response.
It wasn't until he was shown projections that his inaction would cost hundreds of thousands of lives did he start to act.
@DamienD, were talking about statements between lord farquade and the cited statement above which have very little similarities.
@DamienD, So you're telling me he didnt immediately react, instead he tempered his response. Waited for evidence and then used that evidence to decide what measures were nessecarry. And somehow in your head that's a bad thing?
@Kliment Voroshilov, Johnson didn't have a tempered response. His initial response was to pretend nothing was wrong and encourage citizens to go out and spend. Now the UK, like we here in the US, have a government scrambling to try and catch up. Which in this type of scenario is basically impossible.
Here in the US we are so F'ed up that they are telling doctors to wash and reuse their masks and are asking grandmothers to hand sow new ones. The manufacturer I work for has offered the CDC and Federal Gov to start making anything that is needed and here we sit at home doing nothing.
@DamienD, you say potato I say tomato.
How is it the government's fault that morons ran out and panic bought masks? That's the fault of the morons. Also not the fault of the government that your company isnt working. If anything the problem right now is individuals taking action that isnt warranted.
@DamienD, the US isn’t scrambling to respond. Trump and his administration have responded accordingly. It isn’t his fault that the media is over hyping it and China deliberately hid information on the virus since October of 2019. It also didn’t help that the dirts bags at WHO were given warning about the virus as early as December 2019 but ignored it because they didn’t want to make China look bad. So this idea that these other governments aren’t taking their populace lives into considering is tantamount to Chinese Communist propaganda. So how about you get your facts straight and stop acting like these leaders some how failed when they didn’t have critical info necessary to make such diversions sooner.
@ThatGuyx79, Last response them I'm off of this.
If they didn't know than why where senators selling off millions in stocks after a closed door briefing in February. If they didn't know than why did Intel officials come out this morning to say they briefed Trump and his people in January warning them about the real scale of the China outbreak. I agree that China released misinformation but to say they didn't or couldn't know is just childish. S Korea alone should of been a starting gun to get western governments moving to at least get scenarios in place and put manufacturers on alert.
@DamienD, 1. The only person who may have actually taken part in insider trading is Burr, al the others had someone else handling the sale and acquisition of stocks. 2. Who are these intel officials you speak of? Are they the same anonymous sources spouted by the same news organizations that ran with the Russian Collusion hoax? As despite checking Fox, CNN, WaPo, MNSBC, etc. I can’t find anyone making this claim other than you. 3. S Korea doesn’t have a population or even a culture like that of the US so your comparison doesn’t actually hold up. 4. How in hells name is everyone supposed to know how bad it is when for almost 3 months China wasn’t just withholding info on Covid-19 they were actively destroying evidence of its existence? That’s like saying that China’s claim to have no new cases the day after expelling all foreign journalists is irrefutable fact. None of this would be happening had China been forthcoming back in October.
@ThatGuyx79, people are crazy and are scrambling for someone to blame.
@DamienD, If he’d tried to throw the country in to lockdown too early two things would have happened:
1) Everyone would have ignored it, probably while saying something about how we survived the Blitz so won’t be beaten by a virus.
2) Someone would have taken it to court, claiming he didn’t have the legal power to do it, and held it up by weeks.
He basically had to wait until there was enough evidence that it was necessary, so that people would accept it.
He’s closed bars, restaurants, sports, shops, schools, offices - basically told the whole country to stay home for three months, which risks putting a million people out of work. And now he’s spending £350billion to keep those people employed. You think people would just accept that if they weren’t scared by first hearing the reports of how many would die if it wasn’t done?
@ThatGuyx79, trump has repeatedly made false claims about the corona virus that have been corrected by health experts in real time. Him and his admin also basically tried to hoard a treatment that is promising from germany. Trump's reaction is garbage I'm just thankful we have actual healthcare specialist that are speaking out.
@Nellybert , lets see how it plays out and where the money ends up before making any claims about what a known liar and flip flopper has said.
@Cousteau, Chancellor is directing this one, not Boris.
That said, I’d bet that as I type there are hundreds of corporate lawyers being employed by massive corporations (who in no way need a bail-out) to work out how they can get the government to pay their wage bill while they give huge bonuses to directors, and pay massive dividends. F*ck knows how to stop that one though.
@DamienD, I mean, governments don't issue social isolation and serious medical response everytime the yearly flu shows up, & many news outlets were saying Coronavirus is very similar to the common cold. But once he saw it was 3-times as lethal and was given accurate information , didn't he do the right thing?
@ThatGuyx79, imagine completely ignoring anything the president ever says for 4 years going. Dude is literally on record blatantly misleading people.
@Nellybert , yeah. No. Governers are doing those things. While he shot talks them on Twitter. He's not spending anything. The president doesn't actually handle bailouts. That's congress. Jesus Christ the gymnastics here.
@Chula Charlie, I pale to think our leaders receive information at exactly the same time we do.
@hollow114, I’m talking about the UK, not the US - no idea how things like that would work in your system.
@Nellybert , ah. Our guy is planning to give money to rich people atm. Boris is doing a pretty good job from what my friend says. She goes to school in York.
@Chula Charlie, italy has been in lockdown for weeks while Boris was going for herd immunity. The problem is that herd immunity makes total sense from an analytical, academic perspective. Keep the country running economy growing, lose 500,000 people, most of which use the health system a lot and get pensions. Is it the best long term? Probably. Is it ethical and moral? Absolutely NOT
@DamienD, he wasnt doing it just to prop up the economy, his plan was herd immunity. Italy proved that quarantine doesnt work if the cat is already out of the bag. Herd immunity saves lives in the long run, stops the rate at which the virus mutates, and keeps the economy afloat, which in turn funds the health services.
@Bloodthirsty Penguin, the more it spreads the higher the chance for mutation. There was actually no evidence that you would gain immunity. Now it seems like you might not. Herd immunity would also overwhelm the health service. It's a sh1tty situation and I know one thing.... I don't envy him at all. Any decision is better than no decision, and I respect him for backtracking when he noticed the original plan wasn't working.
@Hallucinated corpse, unlike bacterial infections, virus' tend to take longer to mutate, so unless a quarantine could completely irradiate the virus (which at this point is highly unlikely) it will result in people catching it in cycles, thus massively increasing the chance for the virus to mutate to multiple strains. While unconfirmed, it is suspected that South Korea is currently starting to experience this, and we should know more in the coming weeks. Once the body has defeated a specific strain of the virus it will remember the secondary immune response created to do so. If the body contracts the same strain again, it will have an immunity, we're yet to see evidence of the contrary (the guy who supposedly re-caught it was never fully cleared of not having it). The idea behind herd immunity is you isolate the vulnerable and let the healthy population carry on as normal. While some will need hospialising its unlikely to be significantly higher than what we are seeing now, /1
@Bloodthirsty Penguin, given that the vulnerable will be quarantined. As the healthy build up an immunity, and the virus has run its course, the vulnerable can be safely released from quarantine. This method ensures the economy stays strong, which in turn funds the health services. Good luck caring for those that need help if your country is bankrupt. Similarly, if everyone is quarantined the govt will have to pay support so people out of work dont starve to death. This increases govt spending while decreasing govt income (massive fall in taxes as less people working, and less spending). Quarantines arent sustainable in the short run, and given that a vaccine is at least a year away, I dont see how a quarantine will help us through this. /2
@Bloodthirsty Penguin, as I said earlier, a quarantine risks the virus becoming cyclic, meaning we could see a breakout of this every year. If new strains develop, we'll need new vaccines as well, which is a further strain on health services and on a damaged economy.
Neither of these options are good, but quarantine is only a short term solution to a problem that has a very big potential to be long term.
I've got a close friend who works in pharmaceuticals and we went over this exact thing last night, we both really hope we're wrong on this.