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@The Lifeguard, people mistake privileges for rights...
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@Suicide Squad Sucks, and people mistake rights as expendable for a temporary/false sense of security...
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@Suicide Squad Sucks, I completely agree. We may not agree on what is a right, but that statement is true. For example no man has the right to force another to do their bidding. Whether that being locked in your house or forcing a man to give up his labor. You do not have the right to enslave doctors, farmers, or factory men. Healthcare, there in, is not a human right.
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@The Lifeguard, are you going to hide every time people get sick? Even better yet, are you going to let the government MAKE you hide everytime people get sick? It’s a slippery slope, fellas. Now our reps and officials know trampling people’s rights in the name of ‘containment’ is possible because the general public went right along with it without a question. People are so damn dependent on the gov for their next move that we chastise those who want to think for themselves. Stay inside if you don’t want to get sick. Go to work if you want to keep making money. The choice should be left to the individual. The government shouldn’t be making calls for us like that. This is fvckin America for fvcks sake. The freedom of the individual is what makes this place so unique and I can’t understand for the life of me why everyone wants to trade that to be like every other fvcking country. I love being the wild card. It’s awesome. It’s dangerous. But it’s damn free. Rant over. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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@nippleswibble, When you don't have a cure/vaccine for a disease that's spreading uncontrollably, it's best to stay inside, especially for those with compromised immune systems. Don't be selfish.
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@The Lifeguard, I have no choice but to be out or I lose my job. Because I’m “essential”. I even have travel papers to show the police in case they pull me over. How in the hell is that even remotely American? Like I said, the choice should be up to the individual.
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@nippleswibble, You have to sacrifice rights for the well being of people. I don't like it either, trust me. You have to look after your fellow Americans. The ones that can't protect themselves. The essential workers, like you, that can't stay inside. That's why I stay inside. To protect people like you. I don't want to risk getting you or anyone else sick. It's a strange situation in the world and we all have to adapt.
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@nippleswibble, "trying to stop a potentially lethal disease from spreading more than it is? Sounds like tyranny to me!" - nippleswibble
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@The Lifeguard, your logical fallacy is: appeal to emotion. For fûck’s sake. It’s not about “protecting grandma”. It’s about flattening the curve to not overwhelm the medical industry. We have successfully flattened the curve. Some places have zero cases. They should NOT be forced to practice same precautions as NY.
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@That one lurker, a right is not something that is given to you for free. A right is something that the government is not allowed to take away. I have the right to own guns. Nobody gives me a gun for free. I have the right to healthcare. That does NOT mean I can force someone to treat me for no cost. It means the government may not deny me the ability to go and pay for medical care. Turn the argument against them.
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@The Lifeguard, I partially agree. But Rights weren’t meant to be sacrificed by the government. If you choose to give up your right to assemble for a while that’s completely up to you. However, rights are supposed to be the one constant we, as individuals, have to keep us from being run over by our officials. They’re supposed to be entirely safe from government interference and they should NEVER go away. That’s because they’re in place to protect the well being of the people for as long as they exist. To me, that outweighs any kind of situational and temporary condition like a plague. Plague will go. But once rights are gone, they’re very very difficult to recover. And once they’re gone, we are incredibly susceptible to things much more dangerous than a plague.
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@big freedom, One is all it takes, brother. That curve has to be completely flat. It ain't fun, I know. I got laid off because of this. But it only takes one person disobeying social distancing to make the curve peak again. We have to play it safe. It's not worth risking even one life.
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@40 to Pun, missing the point I very clearly keep making?? Sounds like an ignorant troll to me! - shhhh adults are talking.
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@The Lifeguard, that’s not how it works my dude. The way that this disease spreads, it will NEVER be flat. Not ever. As it is now, entire supply chains will disappear, possibly forever. We depend on these to feed everyone. The US feeds more of the world than any other country. If our farms and processing facilities go away, millions will die from starvation and deaths of despair. The world can not afford to have a lock down that destroys the food supply and word economy. Unless you’re ok with “saving grandma” at the expense of millions of other people.
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@big freedom, Until we have a vaccine or cure, we have to stay in
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@nippleswibble, he’s not missing the point. He’s repeating the progressive talking points: “We need the economy to function to save lives” progressive translation: “so you want people to die from Covid”
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@The Lifeguard, and have the entire world starve to death and have mass suicides increase from deaths of despair? You are naive beyond reason.
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@nippleswibble, no I'm not, but you're not up to suggesting any feasible solution, so neither am I
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@The Lifeguard, then don't visit grandma.
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@nippleswibble, you sound like the guy that supports no seatbelt laws or being able to drink and drive cuz it’s “my god damn right to make that decision!” Dumb decisions can result in deaths that may not affect you but impact lives of many others. Don’t be socially irresponsible
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@40 to Pun, what he’s saying isnthat the government can’t FORCE you to stay inside
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@The Lifeguard, I've got a train here that will take you to a special place you can be safe in.... So get in the box car
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@Gallchobhair, well, they're not. You can go shopping, go for walks, go to the beach(even if that's a horrible idea)
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@JC839, and you sound like a guy comparing apples to oranges. And also another prime example for what I’m talking about.
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@nippleswibble, I wish I had a choice. Working as an air force contractor and army reservist I cannot travel or go on base unless its mission essential. But working from home is the best thing that I never thought I could do So i just roll with the bunches. I do agree with you on the part that people should be making there own choice, at the same time though the government is just trying to protect people.
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@The Lifeguard, Thankyou! Viruses don't give a hoot what's fair, or how inconvenient they are.
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@nippleswibble, I mean, that all is great, and true, and would be fair. But it's not a fair situation. For example, my band hasn't been able to write any music because our guitarist is a nurse working specifically on covid cases. He's basically surrounded by people dying and a lack of supplies for their care. I'm bored out of my mind at home, but I'd hate to put my loved ones in my band mates care because I have a right to go out for tacos.
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@slug11, like I keep saying, and will keep saying. All you know is what gov is telling you. You do what gov tells you or else. There’s no sense of individualism anymore. American uniqueness is fading away and we’re becoming what everything else is. Every time there’s some kind of crisis we look to the government to fix the issue rather than being responsible for ourselves and maintaining our freedom. This isn’t about the next few years. Its not even about the rest of our lifetime. It’s about the rest of the existence of our country. This plague will pass. Once the rights are gone.. they stay gone. Or you fight to get them back. These rights are invaluable. But nobody seems to understand that.
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@40 to Pun, also, I never said wanting to slow the spread of the virus is tyranny. I suggested that the outright infringement of our rights is a slippery slope for tyranny. Even if nothing comes from it in the next few years, our government just witnessed our country throw everything it stands for out the window because that’s what they suggested we do. In most cases, forced us to do. It’s called setting precedent.
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@The Lifeguard, there's a difference between sacrificing your rights, like freedom of assembly, and having them taken. You're choosing to stay inside, that's personal sacrifice. That's different than legally mandated sacrifice.
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@JC839, in what way is no seat belt comparable to drinking and driving? Ffs you fûcking statists that believe you know what’s best for everyone.
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@The Lifeguard, you’re a goddamn legend
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@The Lifeguard, I ATE MY GRANDMA
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@nippleswibble, OK I think I misunderstood you. If I'm right your speaking less to whether or not people should be cautious due to the virus, and more to the fact that government shouldn't mandate caution. In that case I can agree with you. I think people should stay inside unless they absolutist must leave, but cops pulling people over because they want to hit the drive through is too much for sure.
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@nippleswibble, very nice to see someone else in the same camp.
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@The Lifeguard, Fu¢k you and everything you stand for. Don't trample others rights you whiny entitled cuck
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@slug11, thank you. Yes. I’m not saying this thing doesn’t exist. I’m not saying you shouldn’t be careful about it. that’s what everyone thinks when you suggest people be able to decide for themselves what they should do. I believe the American governments role should be to give the people accurate, reliable information to go on and then let them decide what to do as communities. Suggest that, people think you’re a Tin foil hat wearing moron. It’s scary how programmed the general public are. The msm have demonized anyone who dare question leadership. And that’s not even going in to the fact that these leaders and people controlling msm are totally capable of (and notorious for) making mistakes, pushing misleading information, outright lying, and worse of all, scheming for personal gain at the expense of the general public.
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@Suicide Squad Sucks, the right to assembly is not a privledge it is a right. When they go out they take full responsibility and consequences for their actions.
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@40 to Pun, because it is inherently authoritarian.
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@nippleswibble, Are you Alex Jones? You tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist? *sarcasm*
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@CocoasBro, I think what he’s saying is we should be able to choose, though. WE should be able to choose to sacrifice our rights on an individual level. Our government shouldn’t... and according to the constitution, can’t decide to sacrifice the rights of the individual for them.
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@40 to Pun, except the laws that fine people who gather in large numbers, threats to shut down places of worship, fines for anyone not wearing a mask. Not to mention only “essential “ business are open which is ruining many smaller businesses
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@The Lifeguard, well said 👍🏽👏🏽
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@nippleswibble, you moron
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@Unkle77, oh look. Another example🥱
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@nippleswibble, mate you’re an idiot. The fact that your government asks you to do something for the sake of the wider society, you call it an infringement of your rights shows how dumb you are 😂
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@Unkle77, okay, mate.
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@Unkle77, just to give you the benefit of the doubt incase you missed it the first 5 times I said it. I didn’t say the government asking us to try and slow the spread of this virus is tyranny. The problem is they’re not asking. They’re legally mandating. Which directly violates several of our rights and is dangerous. One more time. And slowly just for you. The blatant. Violation. Of our rights. Is infringement. And is. A slippery slope. For tyranny. But based on your “your government” bit, I take it you’re not from around here. Which makes your input pretty moot.
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@nippleswibble, unkle77 is a moron statist that has never met a nanny state law that he doesn’t think is a great thing. There is no point in arguing with him. He’s as bright as a particularly slow-witted shrub.
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@big freedom, alright my old mate! Word on the street is that you’re still a whiny cünt and what do you know, it’s true 😂 go back to sucking Trump’s orange wotsit you melt
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@big freedom, your boyfriend seems as whiny as you but he’s too scared to engage in a discussion. So pass this on to him. If you can’t get past the basic simplistic concept of inviolable rights then you’re an idiot. Society won’t work unless we all make sacrifices. The German government legally enforced lockdown and they have a fraction of your deaths and hey, Germany hasn’t turned into a tyrannical dictatorship overnight. You bunch of basic basic morons
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@Unkle77, oh good you’re back. I’ve missed your simple minded overly emotional tirades. It’s like having a discussion with a spastic 7 year old. Without an economy there will be no point saving lives from the virus. Millions will die from deaths-of-despair, starvation, etc. What do you think will happen to everyone that depends on “safety net” programs when tax revenue is non existent. Look at what happened to Greece 10 years ago and that will be a fraction of it. What the fûck am I doing arguing with you!? You are incapable of learning even the simplest concepts. Fûck off back to the hole you crawled out of.
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@Unkle77, I did reply to you and left it open for you to come back with something substantial. The only thing you seem to come up with are insults and how you feel about me wanting to think for myself. Go sit on a cactus, you silly git. ☕️👌🏻
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@Unkle77, also, Germany is a fraction the size of the United States. That was a mind numbingly stupid comparison. You should collaborate with the other guy comparing apples to oranges up there. Maybe with your two minds combined you might be able to come up with something other than your feelings and insults.
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Meh, most of us have already been infected already.
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@that crazy Marine, while I agree, I hope it isn't true
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@Not him again, both of my roommates are work in the ER. In January they were complaining about how many people were coming in for symptoms that no one could seem to pinpoint. Everyone in our house ended up sick though some of us really mild and one almost a bad flu type. Turns out we all had covid. Now they are complaining about how anyone who dies is labeled as a covid death if they test positive even if it had nothing to do with it. Like a recent on was a gun shot wound that was called covid. All because that government money is so nice.
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@that crazy Marine, we dont know that for sure.
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@that crazy Marine, yeah i have a extremely slight cough and now im wondering if i should let my work know.
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@CocoasBro, exactly! You don’t know anything for sure. All you know is what our officials are telling us. I just find it odd that all the people who are all “fvck the gov!” Or “fvck Trump!” Will blindly follow every damn guide line and regulation or rule they put out for this virus and ask no questions. Everything that comes out of the government buildings and news outlets is taken as 100% indisputable truth. What’s even crazier is that these outlets and governors and reps are notorious for lying or passing misleading material or pushing agendas. It doesn’t even make sense.
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@CocoasBro, and honestly, are these guys really going to come out and say, “ah yeah. You know what. You caught us. We are actually taking advantage of this virus for personal gain. Sorry.”
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@that crazy Marine, same thing passed through our house in December
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You have a very low chance of getting sick and dying of Corona. There is a very high chance of ruining the economy if everyone is locked up. Keep the old people locked up and let everyone else go to work. That's the only thing that makes sense
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@Captain Magma, except young people are getting really sick too. Maybe not with as high of death rates, but with higher chances of stroke in otherwise healthy people. Unfortunately we don't know enough yet to say for sure who is at the biggest risk
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@Captain Magma, young people are dying from strokes caused by coronavirus. Stay inside. Stop being socially irresponsible.
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@Captain Magma, its also not just about death. The point is to reduce the strain on the healthcare system. If young people are going to the hospital, even if they live, they're taking time and resources away from the treatment of the people who might not be able to survive. The economy is taking a hit, sure. But if the healthcare system fails, it'll only make the economy worse.
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@Captain Magma, for the love of god do some independent research before shouting out nonsense
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@Commander Peanuts, outside of a few major cities there is no strain on any health care. Most of the problems from those cities was the talk of their leaders. New York and L.A. for example. It took the mayor of New York overall week to start shutting stuff down. He even told people to get on the subway and to not change their daily routine. Also, the economy isn't just taking a hit. Let me put it in a way that's not talking about something abstract like money. Money is a worthless. What we assign too that money gives it value. It is a trade medium. The economy has literally nothing to do with money. The economy has more to do with the trade of equivalent goods predicated upon supply and demand. We are running out of supply, and with starving people, demand only gets higher. If we stay locked up we'll be facing a collapse in supply lines. We've already seen a spike in suicides during the shutdown, what will happen with the food riots? How will that effect your healthcare?
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@40 to Pun, do you have some resurch that is prudent information? I'd like to see it to keep informed.
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@That one lurker, well here's one, it's spelled research, not resurch. And something pretty big is we still dont know much about the virus, as we thought dogs couldn't carry it, now it turns out they can. Other than that, do your own research, I dont exist to serve you
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@40 to Pun, then you're being reductive. How about you learn the bare minimum before you tell others to do the ri-'sərch.
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@Commander Peanuts, you fail to see how the health care system will fail not from so called over crowding but the collapse of the economy. If no one can pay the hospital the hospital still fails. If the media wasn't blowing this whole thing outta proportion and telling you you have to be afraid it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar
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@That one lurker, ah, I see you've made a very easy, if basic, mistake. I have done my research, it's rather easy as my sister studies epidemiology, and should I get corona, I would likely die. I've done the research, I'm saying you should too.
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@40 to Pun, why are you so assured that you'll be one of the .1%-.001% of the fatality rate?
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@That one lurker, I am a type 1 diabetic with an already somewhat weak immune system
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@40 to Pun, hmm, honestly was expecting a more insubstantial answer like with your other gaslighting comments.
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@40 to Pun, you have a good one then bro
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@That one lurker, id hardly call my comments gaslighting, but aight, stay safe out there
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@40 to Pun, “I’ve done the research as my sister studies epidemiology” 🤣 You are a young naive simpleton. You clearly want someone else to make decisions for you, so Let the adults make the decisions kid.
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@big freedom, unfortunately, you've made a severe error and attempted to quote something I didnt say, then adding ad hominem. I believe you can do better than that, as it's not hard to, if you put in the effort. I said I have done the research, my sister studying epidemiology has made it easier, since she can advise or point me in the right direction, though my thoughts remain my own. Please, grow. Up.
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@Commander Peanuts, Hospitals are half full. Hospital workers are getting laid off because not enough people are going to hospitals. The strain has been reduced.
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@DrWhich, That article says this happened to "dozens" of people. Compare that to 30 million unemployed. Which is the bigger problem? As unemployment goes up, suicides go up. You're talking about dozens, presumably less that 100, compared to 30 million. That's not an argument.
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@40 to Pun, What part of that is nonsense? I'd like to have a discussion about it.
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@40 to Pun, I just saw one of your earlier comments. If you're at risk, which you probably are if you're a type 1 diabetic, then you stay home. Let everyone else go to work and get the economy back going. Also, how long are you staying home? Until there's a vaccine next year? That seems like a ridiculously long time to wait, and we don't even know if there will be one
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@That one lurker, healthcare currently isn't strained outside of urban areas because 1, in part, it's working, and 2, politicians were stupid and made edicts to try to reduce the strain in areas where there wasn't going to be any. I agree, leadership has been pretty bad all around. But that doesn't mean that staying at home isn't still the right choice to make. As for the economy, your money example didn't really make sense but i think i see what you're trying to say about trade. I'm not an expert. I don't know all the solutions. I agree something needs to be done to mitigate the economic impact. But if we just went back to business as usual right now, thousands more people would die and when the second wave hits if we're not already in a position to handle it, things will get a lot worse than they currently are.
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@Tranceraver, do I think parts have been blown out if proportion and negatively affected the procedure of certain areas? Yes. Do I think that this should have been treated like a normal flu because "it wouldn't have been a blip on the radar"? Absolutely not. I understand there's a lot more than just the strain on hospitals. This is a complicated issue that in all honestly, probably no one here is actually equipped to talk about, or at least not to pose solutions. But if we just ignored the disease and went about our business, we'd be a lot worse off and not just from a healthcare standpoint.
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@Captain Magma, SOME hospitals are half full. Yeah. Because politicians were idiots and made sweeping decisions to keep people out of them in areas where they shouldn't be overrun. That doesn't mean there isn't still a need to be responsible about the people around us. The curve is flattening. But it's not gone. And since countries like Japan have already had second waves. If we're not ready for that, EVERYTHING is going to get a lot worse than it already is.
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@Commander Peanuts, the main problem we are facing is high density democratic ran citys. I'm not pointing fingers, I'm pointing at trends. I know personally that Arkansas will be opening things up slowly, which has been the plan from the start. We wasn't under a full lock down like other states and we currently have one of the lowest covid case numbers and deaths, with a high percentage of cure rates. Big dem ran city's are turning into authoritarian hell holes that are trying to milk the crisis for everything it's got. "We know the old saying, never let a good crisis go to waste..." - Hillary Clinton speaking to Joe Biden. The rest of her quote was speaking about pushing socialised healthcare, but I hope it's apparent at least to what she means. On the economics point I reiterated econ 101 the founding principles of the concept of currency. Since America has gone off the gold standard the dollar is a theoretical currency what is called fiat currency.
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@Commander Peanuts, The whole plan of slowing the spread is that there would be a second wave, but the curve wouldn't be as high. The plan wasn't to reduce the number of people that get the disease, but to reduce the number that get it at the same time. So now we're at the point where we need to get people out there and get the 2nd wave over with. On top of that, people are suggesting that the disease has been here since January and more people had it than previously thought and just didn't know it. That means mortality rates go down. So we've got a disease that kills less than 1% of the people that it infects and we've got the largest unemployment rate since the Great Depression. The economic crisis is the bigger crisis here.
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@That one lurker, yeah, politicians response has been bad. But it's bad both ways. Openining slowly can be ok, but it really depends. The biggest death rates aside from NY aren't in large urban areas. They're in Georgia, Massachusetts, Arizona... Plus, opening too early not only is dangerous for public health but also economically. New Orleans is being crippled right now. But if they reopen, some say it will be even more catastrophic. Why? Consumer confidence. Specifically, lack thereof. Most people aren't going to go to those destinations even if they are open. So then businesses start bleeding out. I'm not saying the authoritarian stuff is right. Absolutely not. But responsibility isn't the same as rights. If you don't need to be out, you shouldn't be. And as for the economics, i'm familiar with fiat currency, I just didn't follow the logic of using that as an example for anything
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@Captain Magma, it doesn't work by just "getting it over with." That's how you spike the curve back up. Also i'm not sure where you're getting 1%. The latest I've seen in the US is just over 5%. (Assuming there probably are more undetectable cases than we know, that could reduce by maybe a percent?) And that's significant. The seasonal flu is .1%. Even assuming Covid is 1%, that's still 10 times deadlier. The economy is suffering but the solution isn't "get people back out there!" That won't work and will just cause more death. There needs to be systematic support. I'm not an expert, so I have no idea what that would be. But this issue is more complicated than just going back outside
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@Captain Magma, well boo fvcking hoo. Bit more important for me to not die than go out
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@Captain Magma, you asserted only the old are in danger of being killed by corona, and said that everyone is currently "locked up." Both are incorrect
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@40 to Pun, fine but my premise is still correct, for the low risk of death and low death rates, a shutdown on this scale is not the answer
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@Captain Magma, what's your evidence?
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@Commander Peanuts, The low number comes from the fact that Coronavirus cases are under reported (see articles where people who were tested for antibodies already had the virus and never knew) and the deaths are being over reported (hospitals are being paid more to classify deaths as Corona deaths) so that brings the percentage way down. That's even considering the higher mortality rate of the older population. My solution takes them out of the equation by making high risk people (elderly, other conditions) stay home, and letting low risk people go to business as usual.
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@40 to Pun, I've given evidence. I want you to tell me why telling high risk people to stay at home, while letting low risk people go back to work is a bad idea
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@Captain Magma, very well. Because low risk does not mean wont get sick. Those who are low risk will get sick, and spread the virus more, meaning the high risk will be more likely to catch it, as well as put a massive strain on the healthcare infrastructure, which is already underdeveloped. It doesn't matter if a high risk person stays at home of a low risk person brings it home.
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@40 to Pun, So is your solution to stay quarantined until a vaccine is created? and the point of quarantining high risk people is keeping them separate from low risk. They wouldn't be able to bring it home.
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@Captain Magma, Your point about quarantine seems a bit short sighted, as low and high risk people often live in the same space. As for what to do, I'm no expert, but what some European countries are doing seems to work. Open a small bit at a time, very clearly saying "ok, these people can resume work/etc", wait 2 weeks, see what's changed, then either have more people leave shelter, or roll it back. It doesn't need to be some binary "let everything start again" or "total isolation until theres a vaccine" that so many try and make it seem
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@Captain Magma, I fully believe cases are underreported. That's natural. But first, the CDC and WHO takes that into account when they provide mortality estimates. Because it's obvious. And second, i'm not sure where you're getting these numbers but I have a very hard time believing that for every 1 person confirmed, there are 4 more we don't know about. (In order for 5% mortality to be reduced to 1% that would mean 4x more survivors than currently known) That's a lot. That would suggest that rather than the confirmed 45000 people in the US, there would be 225000. THAT is why I don't believe it's 1%. As for your solution, if only it were that simple. Young people aren't immune. The work force doesn't just consist of the healthy. Business as usual is only possible once NO ONE has to worry about the virus. Think of how complicated the process would be of figuring out if your business can still function without those people.
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@Commander Peanuts, we cannot. CAN. NOT. know the number of deaths per 1000 cases. Stanford and USC have both done extensive studies that show the number of asymptotic and non tested cases are between 10 and 45 TIMES what is actually tested and reported. Not 5. TEN TO FORTY FIVE TIMES.
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@40 to Pun, “if it prevents one death”? Really? Do you honestly believe that? If so, you are in favor of 10mph national speed limit, with a 4 way stop sign on every single block. outlawing: alcohol, tobacco, firearms, pools, ladders, dogs, cats, every single chemical for cleaning, knives of any sort, etc. etc. etc. because people die from those every single day. And it it “prevents a single death” all of the laws are worth it. That’s what you’re claiming? And I’m the one that needs to grow up? Ok kid 👌🏼
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@40 to Pun, wrap yourself in a bubble and go forth no more. May your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders. May history forget that you were our countrymen.
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@big freedom, no, that is not what I'm claiming, that's a rhetorical fallacy called a "straw man" you're trying to use, in order to inflate my position past the point of rationality, to try and damage my credibility. So, I highly recommend you calm down there, oh keyboard warrior. Only the immature call others "kid" as you have, in order to get a rise out of them. You wont get one out of me. You've stooped far lower than you can be by trying to lash out at me and others here, deluding yourself that this is in everyone's best interest. Chill out, and take another look at things, dispassionately.
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@big freedom, I just realized I was using PA data instead of US data. The morality rate for PA (only using confirmed cases) is the 5% I was talking about. The National rate is over 12%. Now obviously like you said it's impossible to really get a number of unconfirmed cases, and sure. There may be a lot. But that doesn't mean this virus isn't still really dangerous. Whatever the numbers may be, the fact is tens of thousands of people nationwide are dead. We can't just ignore that and go back to normal.
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@Commander Peanuts, it is impossible to know what the mortality rate is if we don’t know the number by which we are dividing. It is NOT. POSSIBLE. TO. KNOW. What is the point of guessing. “I dunno... it’s somewhere between .01% and 9% mortality. Do you understand how statistics work, and how ridiculous that margin of error is? And “going back to normal” is a straw man fallacy. Reopening businesses that are able, to do so safely, is not “back to normal. Without business we will have no tax revenue. With no tax revenue there will be literally millions of Americans that cannot feed themselves or pay rent. I’m not a huge fan of social welfare systems, but there is no denying that people are dependent on them. So what your argument is, is that we let those people starve to death on the street?
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@40 to Pun, you literally said “if it prevents one death”. My argument is not a straw man. I didn’t change your argument into a different argument in order to tear it down. I used abducto ad absurdum. I took your argument to it’s absurd conclusion. If it’s worth any cost to “prevent one death” then why not ban all the things I listed. I called you “kid” because your arguments are naive to a ridiculous extent. “Kid” is giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you’re a child, I expect you to have a childish argument. If you’re an adult, then you’re fûckîng rètarded.
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@big freedom, I neither remember nor can find myself saying "if it prevents one death"
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@big freedom, I know it's impossible. That doesn't mean it's not clearly dangerous. I mentioned "going back to normal" because that's literally what people above me said. Lastly, look who's setting up a strawman now? I never said we should just keep everyone inside and shut everything down. We need to be prepared, not inhibited. I'm not here to argue, so please don't get mad and put words in my mouth.
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@Commander Peanuts, I never once said it’s not dangerous. Not having an economy is dangerous as well. Both extremes are incorrect. We don’t “go back to normal” tomorrow and we don’t stay locked down world wide indefinitely. We take precautions and open up businesses that are able to do so before the world economy collapses. I didn’t present you a straw man. I took your argument to the absurd conclusion.
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@40 to Pun, sorry, that was the lifeguard guy that said the “if it saves just one life”. My bad
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@big freedom, maybe make sure you're talking to the right person before launching into an immature tirade.
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@40 to Pun, way to take an apology and shît in it. Consider that your tirade lined up very closely with that one? Maybe think about how you are clearly such a statist that you could easily be mistaken for such a dumb comment!
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@big freedom, ... hang on, you cha ge your username? I'd you are who I think you are, everything makes sense
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@40 to Pun, nope
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@big freedom, hm, just reminded me of someone. And to ensure clarity, I did it accept you apology, as it did not seem sincere to make such a drastic turn from trying to rip me apart, on bad info, to just saying "my bad". I've hardly gone on a tirade, just put out a basic stance and called out fallacy. I don't enjoy arguing with you, neither of us respect nor believe each other, nor are willing to have their stances changed. We could go back and forth until the heat death of the universe, or we can go back to looking at memes. I'm going to take the second option.
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@40 to Pun, this entire thread is your tirade. And it was sincere, until your irrational response shît in it. You are completely correct , I do not respect your opinion at all. Unfortunately you get to vote and force your views on others.
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@big freedom, lol, so do you. Ok, done now, promise.
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@40 to Pun, nah bro. The way I vote leaves others alone. See, that’s the point. Live YOUR life. Don’t tell others how to live theirs. Mind your own business and don’t force your way of life on anyone.
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@big freedom, XD I cant stop coming back. "Dont tell others how to live theirs" he says, telling me how to live my life. "The way I vote leaves others alone" he says, who votes the exact same way as me
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Good I hope every single one of the lockdown protesters gets covid. They deserve it.
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@ Heracles, I hope you run out of food when the supply chain collapses because no one is working
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@ Heracles, I hope you stop being such a fvcking piece of shjt excuse for a human being
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@ Heracles, such a simpleminded, childish and selfish attitude. If ye love the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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I wish people would be more sympathetic. If you can’t feed or shelter your kids because you got fired thanks to the lockdowns, then yeah, it’s ok to want the lockdown over. Not everyone is in such a good financial position that they can pause their life and stay inside watching Netflix and making memes for months.
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@Sparks 1911, even the people that want everyone to be dependent on the government should agree with you. Without people working there will be no tax revenue. Without tax revenue there can be no safety net programs.
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Man I’ve never met so many fvcking public policy and health experts as well as conspiracy nuts. Is funnypics the new Twitter?
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@Zorb, nah it's just everyone has their own opinions and thoughts on the right way to handle things. Which is perfectly fine and understandable. One of the great things about the USA, which I assume is the majority of the people on here, is that everyone can voice those opinions without being oppressed by the government.
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@that crazy Marine, clearly you didn’t get what I was saying. Of course everyone can voice their own opinions. My point is those opinions don’t make them experts in viruses, pandemics, public safety, economics, etc.
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A lot of the protesting is dumb But yeah The economy needs to be somewhat opened so people can keep getting things like food There is an argument to be made about some rights and police infringement, i.e. people getting arrested for being outside in situations they've been told they can or are unreasonable like, how the UK and Tassie police starting hunting down campers But regardless Stay safe, keep distance and good hygiene And please keep posting them memes so we don't go too insane
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I haven't kept up with the news these week, has there been an uptick in the virus spreading via these protestors?
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@TheTrueCorreia, no. Well, the media is desperate to find a correlation, so they will definitely claim that “South Carolina protest correspond with an increase in Covid cases” even though the report came out the day after the protest, and the virus has a much longer incubation period.
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@big freedom, it's supposed to be like up to 2 weeks before any symptoms may appear right? I guess we'll see here in the next few days, but it will be interesting to see the reaction one way or the other.
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@TheTrueCorreia, most of the time symptoms come up in the first week but yes, some take up to 2 weeks
Diseases don't care about your rights. I don't like staying in as much as the next person but if I can prevent a grandma from getting sick, I'll stay inside.