I've been seeing that a lot of people think we should postpone space travel and stuff until we can resolve the injustices in the ground first and while I believe this position comes from an authentic place of really being hurt and disgusted by current events the absolute worst thing we can do at a time like this is stop exploring and innovating
@PacificaPelican, let’s accelerate the process so we can leave these people behind.
Stop being destroyed it's just being remade
@CrazyManInaBox, these punks know how to through bricks not lay them. They can't make anything but a burning smoldering heap. They are the racist who go out to burn down black communities, for having the gall to try and give a damn for brighter day for their kids.
@That one lurker, what a dismissive view of the protestors. Being afraid for their life and being harassed by police is a daily occurrence for some of these communities. I do not blame people for being angry with a system that ignores and marginalizes them so systematically. I'm not saying I agree with the violence but when the president gives indirect permission to shoot these people, there is something wrong.
@FoodEatsI, I know. He should be giving very direct orders to shoot rioters.
@FoodEatsI, I think most people are perfectly fine with protesters, but not ok with rioters. If the standard for destruction becomes the destroyer saying "I am doing it in the fight against racism!" then there is a serious problem. Claiming good intentions should be followed by righteous actions, not destruction and death. Violence is very rarely a good solution and I think employing it after an incident where there is a unanimous consensus that the cop was in the wrong is a bad message to send.
@Augustweather, sorry to bring politics in everyone, but this is important to talk about.
The issue isn't that the cop was in the wrong, you're right, it's unanimous that he was at fault. The issue is that this isn't an uncommon event for the black community. These communitys being more strictly policed is wrong, and when peaceful protest happen, no change happens. So legitimately, when their voices aren't being heard, what are they supposed to do besides be violent? I am honestly asking for suggestions and alternatives.
@FoodEatsI, I have no idea what would 100% work but I have a few suggestions. More solid evidence of injustices happening that proliferate the media and competent lawyers taking action against unjust police/departments. I understand that this thing has obviously been in the media in the past, but everytime I do some research into these events sometime the cop is justified and sometimes they are not. When a story of a cop killing someone is automatically labeled racist, even if the cop was justified, it makes me questions allegations in general. Statista.com says that most deaths by cop happen to white people, however this is not disproportional because whites makes up the majority of the population where as African Americans make up ~15% in 2010(in context of the USA). The FBI shows that African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crimes relative to their population ( I saw ~30%) **Comment continued**
@Augustweather, SOME statistics are hard to present as solid evidence in my eyes because they have to be unibaised during research, conducted with well thought out experimentation, and be unbiased in interpretation of results. As I am sure you have experienced, statistics can be true but very misleading (kinda like the statistic that most people killed by police are white). Statistics can be good if they have integrity. In general, if you take one thing from my comment, I hope you have a high degree of professional skepticism if you do not have it already. Many people like to throw "facts" around and back them up with statistics they dont understand. ( I am not saying I am some statistics wizard but I do know they can be misleading) have no idea what would solve policies would solve the injustices in the US, but I agree something needs to be done. That being said, I would rather not establish a precedent in modern times that violence is the only way to get things done. Good day!
@Augustweather, first, I greatly appreciate your well crafted and thought out argument. It's good to see that discussions are still possible. So thank you.
Second, I like your argument with statistics and it's own critique as you are right, they can be shown in anyway to prove one side if that's the intent.
My argument is that this isn't just about the statistics, this is about hundreds of years of racism cumulating into what we now know as our society and culture. This history has lead to these communities being over policed with laws like the war on drugs being an easy example of policies holding groups of people down. And when they voice their opinions, nothing happens to change these policies. So after years of being systematically held down, and ignored, I don't have any other suggestions than violence to show your anger at the situation that has been forced upon them. And again, this may not be right, but if change doesn't occur, I have no other options to suggest.
@FoodEatsI, I am also glad to see that an amicable discussion is possible still. Thank you! I understand where you are coming from with your argument. My biggest problem with the violence specifically in these recent riots is that it is mostly not targeted. The burning of the police station in Minneapolis made sense. It was against a department that failed to train officers well, and hired people that were not suited for the job at all and other injustices I'm sure as well. That violence sends a clear cut message. Riots down in San Antonio, a city that is majority hispanic, where businesses are threatened, presumably innocent civilians are beat, and the city might not be able to keep power on because of chaos, is unproductive in my opinion. I imagine you are innocent of racist actions and are supporting the ideology these protests/riots stand for? (Please correct me if I am wrong) How would you feel if you or someone you cared about had their home set fire tomorrow? Have a good day!
@FoodEatsI, I'm glad that some common ground was able to be gained through this thread. I agree at the problem is deeply rooted in racism from both peoples. There may never be a definitive answer to end it except possibly that both sides laying down their arms. The only problem is the racist.
In my post I was not talking about the protesters I was speaking specifically about the rioters. The protesters of the injustice death of Floyd should be calm and peaceful. Like the man himself, who called out the violent elements of his community. As for the rioters themselves, they are a mix of races, from black youth to antifa. Middle-income rich white kids I tried a stroke up the fire so it burn down more homes.
This, over all, it's not about Floyd. This is a group of white racist, that believe themselves to be superior because of their whiteness giving them privilege. Going to black neighborhoods and burning down their life's work.
Is that Mark Wahlberg?
@Reedmg, yeah from the movie TED I think